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Title: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 07, 2017, 02:24:42 AM
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So I transformed my college football sim game to one where you actually call the play types (inside run, outside run, short pass, long pass) using accurate stats and all that.  Each team has 40 offensive play cards, in the accurate ratios of who touched the ball.  

Here's an example of an outside run card for 1988 ND.  Just thought I'd share.  So far, I've made player cards for 88 ND, 01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, 96 Florida, and 91 Washington.  I have every national champion's team card going back to 1990, except for '00 OU.  Also, 71 Nebaska, 77 ND, and 85 OU.  

It's taking a long time to create 40 play cards for each team, but it's fun and once it's finished, I'll see if I can shop it around to game companies.  I was worried about the NCAA license, but I think all of that video game crap can be avoided as long as the game never includes active players.  So once the last player for '16 Clemson graduates or completes his eligibility, that team can be created and included.  I'm not sure about all that, but I really believe a legit, quality college football board game would really sell.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 07, 2017, 08:39:18 AM
Interesting. What is the target market for this thing?

Maybe we could help sell it on this website, through the store. The store gets a lot of hits right now, but is lacking in sales. Perhaps something like this could help both causes.

I'd be curious to hear @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1)  thoughts on this.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Cincydawg on November 07, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
Be a good idea to file for some sort of IP on this.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 07, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Well there are a TON of baseball nerd/lovers who play Strat religiously.  Most of them are older and all that, but still.  

I know for a fact in every college town in the south, a college football game that was easy to play would sell out completely, as fast as you could stock it.  If it has NCAA licensing, though.  Put it in the campus bookstores, Walmart, wherever.

If the game is too tedious and gets bogged down in multiple dice rolls or turning pages in a booklet, then you'll have zero mass-audience customership.

Yes, NFL is king, but there are tons of college football fans out there.  And while the baseball card/dice games are big, football is less so, and college football is barely on the map.  The near total lack of competition is what makes this such a potential great idea.  Strat-O-Matic makes a college football game, but it's mostly online and looks awful to me.  They have 2016 college football, so I assume it's sort of generic, without the player's names.  Plus it's $59, which is nuts.

There's 2 things preventing a college football cards/dice game from being a thing:
1 - the existing game stink
2 - the licensing thing

You know everyone has one of those Monopoly games of their school - and nobody wants to sit around and play Monopoly - but they sell, because they're the University of wherever and there's real places as properties.

Well, if my game only uses players from the past, but the actual players, then we don't worry about the EA Sports licensing issue they ran into.  But we'd have past national champions, and if someday a company mass-produced this, we could have every season for every school, so if an OSU fan is particular to the 1996 Buckeyes that didn't win it all, but were still great, he could play as that team and have it go up against the 96 Gators or the 95 Huskers and see how they perform.

You'd be able to play out the what-if scenarios college football inundated us with, pre-BCS, especially.  But it's just fun seeing if '92 Bama's D could hold fast against Vince Young and '05 Texas.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 07, 2017, 05:42:37 PM
I'd rather be a historical team with real players than a team from this past season using QB #12 pass complete to WR #88....that's the worst.  

Run the option with '85 OU vs '04 USC.  Eventually, when I got around to it, the Illinois fan out there could be that one squad who played in the Sugar Bowl vs LSU and have them play against '97 Michigan or something like that.  It'd be fun, it'd be sort of an argument solver, but more likely an argument accelerant, lol.

I went to a board game conference down in Tucson and felt really out of place.  But it was fun, and it's a busy, legit industry just like any other.  I met a guy who introduced me to another guy who produces games and so I have a contact.  Once it's good enough to show him, then we'll see from there.  But yeah, if at worst I make something that I can share with a dozen people who would enjoy it, that would be cool, too.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: iahawk15 on November 07, 2017, 08:04:11 PM


Well, if my game only uses players from the past, but the actual players, then we don't worry about the EA Sports licensing issue they ran into.  But we'd have past national champions, and if someday a company mass-produced this, we could have every season for every school, so if an OSU fan is particular to the 1996 Buckeyes that didn't win it all, but were still great, he could play as that team and have it go up against the 96 Gators or the 95 Huskers and see how they perform.



You're still going to need licensing to use school names and logos. That can be done, though, just going to take some $.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 08, 2017, 02:20:08 AM
I know, but that still avoids the messy issue of current amateur players being depicted.  

I'm glad you posted, though.  I should ask you what season would most Iowa fans want to play as, if you could pick one.  2002?  Something from the last 30 years or so - defensive stats are hard to come by way back when Kinnick was playing and not the name of the stadium.  Although that aspect of the game is more of an "if you want to" part - knowing who makes each tackle isn't essential to the game.

Who would Iowa fans want to play as?  Illinois?  Indiana?  Any of the schools that haven't won a NC in the past 30-35 years.  What say you guys?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on November 08, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
I'd rather be a historical team with real players than a team from this past season using QB #12 pass complete to WR #88....that's the worst.  

Run the option with '85 OU vs '04 USC.  Eventually, when I got around to it, the Illinois fan out there could be that one squad who played in the Sugar Bowl vs LSU and have them play against '97 Michigan or something like that.  It'd be fun, it'd be sort of an argument solver, but more likely an argument accelerant, lol.

I went to a board game conference down in Tucson and felt really out of place.  But it was fun, and it's a busy, legit industry just like any other.  I met a guy who introduced me to another guy who produces games and so I have a contact.  Once it's good enough to show him, then we'll see from there.  But yeah, if at worst I make something that I can share with a dozen people who would enjoy it, that would be cool, too.
My brother had a football strategy board game, that wasn't to this level, but more to be played at tailgates and what not.  Was a ton of fun, made a few prototypes, and marketed it around.  Tough, tough industry, particularly because the trademark protections are so easy to get around
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
Depending, I could see getting a useful utility patent on this, maybe.  They cost $500 to file for a small entity, and you needn't worry about Europe etc.

It depends on what the critical novel part to this game might comprise.

I'm pretty good at writing patent applications.  I had one grant and issue five months after filing.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Geolion91 on November 08, 2017, 01:05:09 PM
Don't know if you're familiar with this game by Avalon Hill.  It's pro football, I would have loved it if they made it for college ball.  I have the 1984 edition.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91n75nuMg9L._SY450_.jpg)

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1498/paydirt
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 08, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
if you're willing to take on a partnership with them, i can get you in touch with some folks that have licenses in place (meaning they know the course and could likely pick it up on some sort of rider)

when it's all said and done, the NCAA just wants a cut... a big one.  

now what i think would drive it wildly is an electronic version- one that can be used as an app available on appstore/istore... allowing strangers or friends to play same game... it would have a light footprint insofar as bandwidth and memory is concerned, and would likely actually drive sales of the physical game, too... 

i got app developers that would be all over that, too... and i can host it from the server stack same as the site... could set up a board for it- national leaders and such.. 

it would be fun?  i think so. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 08, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
I'm not sure about patents and all that, I'm not looking to make a bunch of money on it.  Maybe sell it to someone higher up, let me have a percentage or something, I don't know.  

All I do know is that a well-made, easy to play college football game would sell, if it has licensing.  

The most novel concept of the game is probably:
the percentages that each RB and WR/TE carried or caught the ball is accurate (top 4 rushers, top 6 receivers)
the yardage gains are set, and they average out to each player's rush or reception average

I'm still working out the kinks on defense, but I was really pleased by my initial effort, where it was a sim and the plays were random (but accurately ratio-ed).  But everyone wants to be an OC, not a bystander, lol.  

In the sim, I had the top 10 tacklers on D, with their tackle percentages, but with this version, maybe I'll just use the top 3-4, as I'm now thinking with the 4 play-call types, there will be 4 defensive keys on those potential play-calls.  Hell, it's basically as simple as Tecmo Bowl 'pick their play' thinking.  

But then I'll need to play a few games and work out the kinks some more.  Fun stuff.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2017, 06:57:08 PM
I know, but that still avoids the messy issue of current amateur players being depicted.  

I'm glad you posted, though.  I should ask you what season would most Iowa fans want to play as, if you could pick one.  2002?  Something from the last 30 years or so - defensive stats are hard to come by way back when Kinnick was playing and not the name of the stadium.  Although that aspect of the game is more of an "if you want to" part - knowing who makes each tackle isn't essential to the game.

Who would Iowa fans want to play as?  Illinois?  Indiana?  Any of the schools that haven't won a NC in the past 30-35 years.  What say you guys?
1985 Hawkeyes
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 08, 2017, 07:04:18 PM
I'll check them out.  Wow, that's a crazy coaching staff, lol.  Alvarez, Stoops, Snyder, McCarney....
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
great team

Ronnie Harmon gave away the Rose bowl
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 08, 2017, 08:34:39 PM
I'll check them out.  Wow, that's a crazy coaching staff, lol.  Alvarez, Stoops, Snyder, McCarney....
Kirk Ferentz too.

And another Stoops and a Norvell as players.

Hayden, The Man, knew how to pick'em.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 08, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
BTW..

You have investors among you 'Fro, as well as a blooming platform.

I say no more as I'm not the boss here.  :)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on November 08, 2017, 11:51:05 PM
Check out the Avalon game and the link I put up last page. I still have those games and play them.  I love being random teams from decades ago.  Brilliant game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 09, 2017, 12:15:14 AM
Here's some of the QB cards...(attached)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 09, 2017, 12:18:52 AM
If you roll one of these with a regular 10-sided die, then you get any number from 00-99.  The numbers on the QB cards tell you the ranges of a completion, incompletion, or INT.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Hawkinole on November 09, 2017, 12:46:13 AM
I know, but that still avoids the messy issue of current amateur players being depicted.  

I'm glad you posted, though.  I should ask you what season would most Iowa fans want to play as, if you could pick one.  2002?  Something from the last 30 years or so - defensive stats are hard to come by way back when Kinnick was playing and not the name of the stadium.  Although that aspect of the game is more of an "if you want to" part - knowing who makes each tackle isn't essential to the game.

Who would Iowa fans want to play as?  Illinois?  Indiana?  Any of the schools that haven't won a NC in the past 30-35 years.  What say you guys?
1985 Hawkeyes.

Another good Iowa team was the 1960 team, but I think the offensive statistics don't really compare. The 1960 team got beat by Minnesota. Minnesota then rose to #1 in the final AP Poll. Iowa finished #2 in the final AP Poll, after blowing out Notre Dame in the season finale.Some think this team was better than the 1957 and 1959 Rose Bowl teams. Few people recall the 1960 team because it wasn't a bowl year.
Wilburn Hollis for Iowa was one of the first black QBs at a D-1 school.Wilburn Hollis Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilburn_Hollis)
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilburn_Hollis)
IN 1960 they didn't pass with the same frequency, so these teams are statistically hard to compare with more modern teams. You would have to project out to a 12 or 13 game season to keep them on par in the least bit with modern teams.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 09, 2017, 08:36:57 AM
Well the play cards are based on the player's yards per rush or catch, so that works out okay.  The QB completion percentages were pretty bad back in the day, but their defensive numbers may help out a lot.  

'60 Iowa seems to have had a 1a and 1b at RB, and the 1b guy had a 7.4 yards per rush average.  That'll work out great. 

The QBs had around a 40% completion percentage, so obviously (and realistically), you'd run the ball a ton, only passing as a change of pace to get the defense to stop keying on your inside and outside runs.  

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
In general, investors who might want to license will be concerned about IP, as without it, anyone can copy your "invention" readily (with minor changes to get by copyrights).  If it's a cool idea, a large company can get their "pros" to extract the critical parts and duplicate the sense of the game.

And avoid licensing fees.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 09, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
Well we're a long way away from any of that.  I need to finish the game itself (the new incarnation) and spend dozens of hours play-testing it.  

If anyone has the time, I can email or mail you what you'd need and maybe play a game or two on speaker-phone so you get the hang of it and can play on your own.....
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: jhetfield99 on November 09, 2017, 11:44:36 PM
I think this would be fun.  I'd pick it up,
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: jhetfield99 on November 09, 2017, 11:49:43 PM
Interesting. What is the target market for this thing?

Maybe we could help sell it on this website, through the store. The store gets a lot of hits right now, but is lacking in sales. Perhaps something like this could help both causes.

I'd be curious to hear @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1)  thoughts on this.

As far as the regular store, I glanced through Purdue offerings and there's lots of good stuff on there.  Do all purchases made on there give the site a nice kick back? 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on November 10, 2017, 10:11:51 AM
Well we're a long way away from any of that.  I need to finish the game itself (the new incarnation) and spend dozens of hours play-testing it.  

If anyone has the time, I can email or mail you what you'd need and maybe play a game or two on speaker-phone so you get the hang of it and can play on your own.....
i know this is a card/board game, but i think you could make this a into a phone/computer game pretty easily with a good programmer. hit both markets.
i'm not sure i'd ever play the card/board game, but i'd play the hell out of a phone game. could easily do a vs matchup that way as well.
very creative, oam. good luck.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on November 10, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
As far as the regular store, I glanced through Purdue offerings and there's lots of good stuff on there.  Do all purchases made on there give the site a nice kick back?  
i'm not 100%, but i think so.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
As far as the regular store, I glanced through Purdue offerings and there's lots of good stuff on there.  Do all purchases made on there give the site a nice kick back?  
It would help us out a lot if people purchased through the site.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 10, 2017, 11:19:27 AM
I've given up on this site selling anything and I'm about to pull plug on store side and do strictly adverts. It costs about $200 A month to run it, but it's pretty damn solid after all the server moves, no?  

I'm about to do a hostile takeover of a diesel site, which is another passion. The owners are a conglomerate that has all kinds of nasty scripts and they dont care as lomg as they make a dime, and if someone talks badly about a product advertised on their site they ban them... eff that... ive got several sponsors who will sell on that site and will likely cover the entire server stack I lease.... which is all I really want, but it would be nice if the entire enterprise funded where else we want to take this idea. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 10, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
But yes... sales here go directly to the site.  We own the store too, every penny goes to supporting our habit here. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2017, 11:21:46 AM
Maybe give the store a bit more of a chance.

The holiday season is upon us and people buy stuff.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 10, 2017, 11:27:37 AM
yeah- you're right... it doesn't cost me anything to run, now, and you wouldn't believe how well it does on google search- bringing people here... so.... yeah, you're right.  

if you look at the bottom of the page and see all the guests that come through here?  likely 70% are from the store, and the rest through the publisher (that is no longer linked through main page here, but just turns too many good google results to shut off). 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
If this game becomes a reality with a production line and what-not, put it all over this site, provide a steep discount for members, etc.  Let it benefit the site as much as possible, for sure.

As it is, one person using his color printer at home, we're slow-going.  :13:

Just printed out all of the national champion QB cards from Robbie Bosco ('84) to Deshaun Watson ('16), plus Jerry Tagge and Joe Montana.  They're especially cool when they're cut out, in sleeves, and in your hands!

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2017, 04:30:10 PM
NUwildcat, would you pick the '95 team as the best N'Western squad the past 30 years?  Your favorite?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
i know this is a card/board game, but i think you could make this a into a phone/computer game pretty easily with a good programmer. hit both markets.
i'm not sure i'd ever play the card/board game, but i'd play the hell out of a phone game. could easily do a vs matchup that way as well.
very creative, oam. good luck.
Yeah, it'd be an easy app game to create - teams/rosters, calling plays with random results (within certain perameters), etc.  I'm just into the cards/dice aspect because I grew up playing video games, so there's no novelty there for me.  Most older people are the opposite - growing up playing board games/hands-on, tangible stuff and enjoy the newfangled phone tech fun.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on November 10, 2017, 10:27:41 PM
I didn't realize that about the store.  Going forward I'll be sure to purchase through there.

As for app vs. board game, it's not so much the novelty, I agree physically playing is better, but finding someone to play against makes me lean towards app.  I mentioned over the summer playing the hell out the MLB Manager app, which isnt Mich better than the old 60s board game version I got from my uncle (aside from the multi year and player progression aspect) but I rarely found people willing to play that more than sparingly as a kid, and I played through 3+ seasons of the app over the past 7 or so months.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2017, 10:32:45 PM
That's another reason my sim game was enjoyable - you could play it solitaire.  When you become the OC of a team, you can't really be the opponent's DC, can you?  No longer a solitaire game :16:.

I guess you could take the opponent's defense cards and pick one at random if you really wanted.  But yeah, ideally, with the physical board game (cards + dice), you'd have a friend that obsessed about the '02 Buckeyes and play against him with your team to find out who's better.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: jhetfield99 on November 14, 2017, 01:22:38 AM
Cool, give me a couple weeks here for the Xmas crapola (many others use the term spirit) to take over and and I'll def buy some of the Purdue stuff.

I'm happy to help out the site.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: TyphonInc on November 14, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
But yes... sales here go directly to the site.  We own the store too, every penny goes to supporting our habit here.
Hopped over to the store to see what I could see, and I got a pop up that read, 
"Someone in Atlanta Georgia just bought Tennessee Volunteer Lice..." and I just ROFL, had to come share.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2017, 09:37:55 AM
NUwildcat, would you pick the '95 team as the best N'Western squad the past 30 years?  Your favorite?
2011 Badgers for me. Any chance you could put JJ in there for his senior season he gave up. :)


As for the store, I just made another purchase today using pay pal. It worked great. Also Drew is working on adding apparel and tailgate gear (grills, smokers, accessories) so that will further increase our traffic and buying options.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2017, 09:52:01 AM
2011 Badgers for me. Any chance you could put JJ in there for his senior season he gave up. :)


As for the store, I just made another purchase today using pay pal. It worked great. Also Drew is working on adding apparel and tailgate gear (grills, smokers, accessories) so that will further increase our traffic and buying options.
Also make sure you put Brad Nortman's flop rating at 100   :57:
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2017, 09:57:22 AM
I think he's in Hollywood now. So.. it worked.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 14, 2017, 09:58:05 AM
Hopped over to the store to see what I could see, and I got a pop up that read,
"Someone in Atlanta Georgia just bought Tennessee Volunteer Lice..." and I just ROFL, had to come share.
that little script is friggin hilarious.... it is supposed to do something different- and does- but blabbing about all the pseudo 'sales' is about dumb... 

some of the suppliers have API feeds to the store to rotate stock- for short fuse items and such... example: they get only ten items of this limited supply product, and they won't get more- the API comes in handy because i can list the item without having to worry about doing a refund if they no longer have it... another thing it does, though, is passes every single time somebody somewhere in their network of retailers places an order.... and then, to make matters worse, there is no cut off on time- meaning, I'm willing to believe someone in Atlanta bought a license plate, but that happened like three weeks ago- NOT in the last day.... to make it even worse, it confuses the item with the local... for instance a lady in WV purchased a auto emblem yesterday, and it showed up in that stupid feed as the right item but sold to somewhere else... Wisconsin or Michigan or somewhere like that, where the supplier must have another retailer or something is my guess. 

as soon as i can figure out how to cut it off without cutting off the API feed, it's SUCH a goner
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2017, 10:52:01 PM
I was just going over the defensive aspect of the game here - I have a generic defensive card scheme for each team, but I need to tick each one up or down, depending on how good their defense was.  Some notes:

The teams involved here (39 of them):  national champs from 1984-2016 (including split years 1990, 1991, 1997), 1994 Penn State, 1977 ND, and 1971 Nebraska.

It's all about yards per attempt allowed (pass/rush).  All 39 teams were great, so keep that in mind:
the average yards allowed per pass is 5.7.......per rush is 2.7

The best (lowest) pass D:
4.3  2011 Alabama
4.4  1997 Michigan
4.7  1985 Oklahoma
5.0  1991 Miami
5.1  tie - 1992 Alabama, 2005 Texas, 2013 FSU, 1971 Nebraska, 1989 Miami

The best (lowest) rush D:
1.7  1992 Alabama
1.9  tie - 1991 Washington, 1989 Miami
2.0  1986 Penn State

The best (lowest) total on D (pass + rush yards allowed per attempt):
This is not in the ratio they faced, but a simple sum of the 2 above numbers...
6.3  2005 Texas
6.7  2011 Alabama
6.8  1992 Alabama
7.0  1989 Miami
7.1  1997 Michigan

See, all of these other defenses are known as great squads - 1992 Bama is held in some esteem as the best ever, all the late-80s Miami defenses were known as great, and the 97 Wolverines had Woodson & Co. 

Worst 5 pass D:
Remember, the worst of 39 great teams, btw...
7.4  1999 FSU
7.1  1997 Nebraska
7.0  2010 Auburn
6.9  1994 Penn State
6.7  1990 Colorado

Worst 5 run D:
3.9  2014 Ohio State
3.7  2016 Clemson
3.6  1994 Penn State
3.5  1984 BYU
3.4  tie - 2008 Florida, 2010 Auburn

Worst 5 total (pass + rush yards allowed per attempt):
10.5  1994 Penn State
10.4  2010 Auburn
10.2  1999 FSU
10.0  2014 Ohio State
9.6   tie - 1990 Colorado, 1984 BYU

I posted these not to throw shade on them, but to show that while these weren't all-time great defenses, for the most part, these teams' offenses were so good, it didn't matter.  

One surprise to me is despite not getting a piece of the NC, 1994 is looked back upon as an all-time great team.  Yes, the offense was all-time great, but with such a RELATIVELY porous defense, I don't think the case can be made.

Just sharing.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 11, 2018, 08:07:12 PM
I contacted the NCAA about some questions I had.  Not sure when/if they'll reply - they're probably sort of busy.  

First, I asked if they hold the licensing for former players - if their name, school, and uniform number are used.
Second, I asked if only former players are used, does that avoid the whole Ed O'Bannon issue about amateur player likeness.  If I only use student athletes with no eligibility, does that make it easier.

If/When this game ever comes to fruition, it will only sell if it has licensing.  Yeah, NCAA licensing the schools/mascots/logos is big, but without the player names, I'm not confident it's worthwhile to produce.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2018, 11:22:58 PM
I've been creating more teams the past few weeks, and back-checking for teams with 2 major contributors at QB to include both.  Not a lot of instances for the teams I already created, but I made the ones that exist.

I've also added 4th and 1 QB sneaks into the game (with their success rates), 2-point conversion rules, extra point %, and onside kick %.  

As soon as the school year is over, I'll create some complete game sets to send out to the few of you who are interested to sort of beta test the game.  I'll send you the rules, charts, dice, game pieces, board, and a set of 4 teams.  It would probably be best to play a game with me on speaker phone with you or something like that.  You'd play it and review it, giving me the strengths and weaknesses of the experience.

This recent walk-out (strike) has been taking up all my free time lately (AZ teachers #redfored).  But I love creating more team season cards for this game.  It seems like a fantasy that it'd ever be produced, but I really believe it would do well.

Newest teams created:
1980 Pitt (both QBs)
1981 Clemson
1982 Penn St
1982 SMU
1983 Nebaska
1983 Auburn
1984 Washington
1984 Florida
1985 Michigan
1986 Arizona St
1986 Miami
1987 Syracuse
1987 FSU
1988 Oklahoma St
1989 Houston (were in a major conf then - SWC)
1992 Notre Dame
1995 Florida
1996 Ohio St (both QBs)
1997 Tennessee
1998 Ohio St
1999 Nebraska
2000 Miami
2001 Florida
2001 Oregon
2002 Iowa
2002 USC
2002 Georgia
2003 Oklahoma
2006 Ohio St
2007 West Virginia
2017 Alabama

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2018, 12:40:29 PM
1995 Northwestern is made, for obvious reasons.  

If any of you want to go ahead and tell me which teams you'd want (4) as willing testers of the game, post here, please.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Current choices (first run of teams + those listed above):
1971 - Nebraska
1976 - Pitt
1977 - ND, Arkansas, Kentucky
1979 - Purdue, Temple
1980 - UGA, Pitt
1981 - Clemson
1982 - Penn St, SMU
1983 - Miami, Nebraska, Auburn
1984 - Washington, Florida, BC, BYU
1985 - Michigan, Iowa, OU
1986 - Penn St, ASU, Miami
1987 - Miami, Syracuse, FSU
1988 - ND, Indiana, OK State, WVU
1989 - Miami, Houston, Illinois
1990 - Colorado, GA Tech, Virginia
1991 - Miami, Washington
1992 - Alabama, ND
1993 - FSU, Auburn, Wisconsin
1994 - Nebaska, Penn St
1995 - Nebraska, Florida, Northwestern
1996 - Florida, Ohio St, ASU
1997 - Nebraska, Michigan, Tennessee, UCLA, UNC, Wash.St
1998 - Tennessee, Ohio St, Arizona, Kansas St
1999 - VA Tech, FSU, Nebraska
2000 - OU, Miami, Oregon St, Iowa St
2001 - Maryland, Miami, Florida, Oregon
2002 - Ohio St, NC State, Iowa, USC, UGA
2003 - LSU, Ole Miss, OU, Minnesota
2004 - USC, Auburn, Cal, Utah
2005 - Texas
2006 - Florida, Ohio St, Rutgers, Louisville, Wake Forest
2007 - LSU, Missouri, WVU, Kansas
2008 - Florida, Texas Tech
2009 - Alabama
2010 - Auburn, Stanford, Oregon, TCU
2011 - Alabama, OK State, Baylor
2012 - Alabama, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
2013 - FSU, Michigan St, South Carolina, Duke
2014 - Ohio St, Miss St
2015 - Alabama
2016 - Clemson
2017 - Alabama

Obviously, I'll add a team or two to 2005 and 2009.  The mythical nature of the national championship back in the day lends itself to creating more top teams.  The playoff sort of snips that off to some degree.  But I'll still add on a Mariota Oregon team.  The blowouts in 2015 make them kind of 'meh', but the 2017 OU and UGA teams were worthwhile, for sure.

If I'm missing a P5 school above, please let me know.  I did my best to create at least everyone's best season from the last 30 years or so.  I could fill in the 70s at some point, but this is a lot of data entry, printing, and cutting, lol.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 12, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
I finally got around to playing a game with 1995 Northwestern.  They had a tough task ahead of them:  1972 USC.

The Wildcats got down early, 17-0 on two Anthony Davis TD runs.  With the Trojans keying on the NU running game, Darnell Autry had trouble even getting back to the line of scrimmage.  Late in the 2nd quarter, however, N'Western banged it in from the one to make the halftime score 17-7.  USC missed a FG just before the half.

Thanks to a good punt return by Musso, the Wildcats scored on another 1-yard TD run early in the 3rd.  The teams traded interceptions after that.  Northwestern missed a FG, which USC answered with their final TD by Sam Cunningham.  NU made a 48-yard FG, but that's as close as they got.
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24-17, '72 USC over '95 Northwestern
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NU
Autry:  22 carries, 43 yards, 1 TD
Schnur:  14-32 for 213 yds    0 TD, 1 INT
Bates:  6 rec, 91 yds, 0 TD
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USC
Cunningham:  8 carries, 28 yds, 1 TD
Davis:  17 car, 88 yds, 2 TD
Rae:  10-19 for 219 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
Young:  3 rec, 82 yds, 0 TD
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2018, 01:38:55 AM
I made a Facebook page for the game I made.  If you would like to play-test it, click the link.  Photos and info are there, and we can work out which teams you'd like.  I think I'll send out 4 teams plus other parts of the game.  Thanks for the interest you guys have shown.

https://www.facebook.com/DP-College-Football-Board-Game-1890813767885854/?modal=admin_todo_tour
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on June 25, 2018, 05:24:12 PM
should do 09 texas and uf.

and i don't do fb anymore. you thinking of any other way we could do beta?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 25, 2018, 05:27:35 PM
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , I have plenty of webspace- if you want your own page we can swing it.  you'll have a helluva lot more say-so over your content instead of being at FB's mercy. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2018, 05:52:51 PM
I don't know?  I'm getting a ton of interest just in this first day of posting it there.  Maybe it would need it's own webpage if I was going to sell it myself, but I couldn't handle any kind of volume, especially when August rolls around.  My ideal goal would be for some game publisher to buy it and then mass produce it.  

Although they'd have to worry about licensing and all that.  And I found an existing college football game that uses names and logos and all that, which looks like a small-scale operation.  I contacted them about such things and they just said they were so under the radar they didn't worry about it.  

But this would sell tens of thousands of copies throughout the southeast and midwest if it was packaged properly and didn't cost $60 per game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 25, 2018, 06:15:05 PM
Be careful with the licensing.  The ncaa is strict.  Very much so.  That small company can easily lose everything if the secret service becomes involved... Your best bet is a joint venture.  If you dont have a copyright attorney involved, you may want one pretty quick. 

Im offering the webpage and space for free.. Ive got it and it isnt being used .We should get you and @ftbobs (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=54) together... I can get the game scripted into an app easily too, and boom... Youre making nice coin . 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2018, 06:39:27 PM
Would a copyright attorney be willing to do a single task - a la find out what is and isn't allowed by the NCAA?  

I'm afraid while pro sports have players associations and the leagues themselves can give permission to use their entities, I don't believe there's a group association for college athletes.  We all know their likenesses cannot be used while they're amateurs, but once that's over, then what are the rules?  

Would each individual person have to agree to be included in such a game?  As there is no 'former amateur athlete' association to sign off on something for the whole.  What about deceased players?  I'm sure you can gain permission from the NFL to use all the teams and player's names from the 1972 season.  But while their amateur status is long gone, I don't believe the NCAA even has the rights to the player names from former college players.  But all of this is just a guess.

All of this is so unknown - even tracking down the right person at the NCAA to probe about it is a total mystery.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2018, 06:44:00 PM
The game would still sell and work and be great if there had to be a delay on teams until all players' on those teams exhausted their eligibility.  So as each year passed, a new season of teams could be created and sold, just 4-5 years after the current season (2017 season ends, so the 2013 season team cards could be produced).  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2018, 11:51:40 PM
should do 09 texas and uf.

and i don't do fb anymore. you thinking of any other way we could do beta?
I could just mail you the game/components.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on June 26, 2018, 08:53:16 AM
I don't know?  I'm getting a ton of interest just in this first day of posting it there.  Maybe it would need it's own webpage if I was going to sell it myself, but I couldn't handle any kind of volume, especially when August rolls around.  My ideal goal would be for some game publisher to buy it and then mass produce it.  

Although they'd have to worry about licensing and all that.  And I found an existing college football game that uses names and logos and all that, which looks like a small-scale operation.  I contacted them about such things and they just said they were so under the radar they didn't worry about it.  

But this would sell tens of thousands of copies throughout the southeast and midwest if it was packaged properly and didn't cost $60 per game.
Yeah the team logos is going to be the irritating part.  Those are managed on a school by school basis.
You'd be better off partnering with an existing licensee than trying to obtain your own.  The NCAA maintains a database of their current licensees, and I'm guessing a good deal of them already have deals in place with the individual schools as well.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 26, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
echo'ing @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , I may have something for you..... 

there is a supplier out of Florida that has licensing for damn near every team. 

the way i understand it you don't get licensing for everything... let's say you propose to do medallions, and pay up for those- the schools look and see who else is doing that and assess a value for the licensing... the more the marketing value the more they'll charge. these guys do watches, and little medallions they use for everything from golf ball markers to little hat clips.  i thought of them because that is basically what you'd want for a physical playing board, right? 

these fellas were clever.. they use those medallions on everything.. from wallets to bracelets... and they never break the rules by doing so.  there were a few schools they don't have agreements with, and the biggest two if i recall correctly was USCw and ND.  there is a place out of Lincoln Nebraska that has stuff too- they do 'man cave' type stuff with logo's.  they may play ball as well. 

what I'm suggesting is you (@OrangeAfroMan ) is make contact with them and pitch your plan... w/o giving them game details. strike a deal and let them carry the weight of all the marketing and contracting.  walk away with a big chunk and be merry. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
I've shared the game idea w/ photos on many board game and sports groups on FB and now I'm getting hounded by potential play-testers, lol.  Good problem to have, I guess.  This is awesome.  

I'm calling it "Whoa Nellie" College Football.  

Drew, so if I contacted these guys and they're like "sure, sounds great, let's do it" - once our transaction is over, could they then market/sell it to someone else?  Or try to get it sold elsewhere?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 26, 2018, 03:15:19 PM
all that, @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , depends on the agreement you reach.... there are several attorneys here on the board- and i wager one of them will step up to assist you, as that's just the kind of crowd we have!  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on June 26, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
The problem is that's a pretty niche industry.  My brother had a game he came up with, produced a few game boards and pieces, and I tried to help him up front, but it's just not an area you deal in, unless it's all you deal in.  From my research there, trademark protection with games is so hard to do, because the trademarks are so specific, that infringement suits are rarely successful.  You change one small thing and it's yours, because there's no real science behind it, so you don't really have to show much of a process as how you can from A to D like with other patents.  It's easy to see D, tweak it to E, and then backfill B and C.  There's no real proving you didn't do that.  What he kept hearing was he was better off marketing it as a cheap app, because the production costs were so high, but the problem was it was a tailgate game.  As a game by yourself, on your phone, it wasn't any fun.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
That's why my initial vision of this has been:
1 - I create a college football board game that is better than what's out there
2 - taking it to existing game-maker companies
3 - one of them, with an NCAA license of some sort, producing the game and selling it at all available outlets

Doing it myself or trying to navigate the legal and trademark issues just isn't realistic.  I don't have a bunch of money to put into it, nor time.  It's just a good idea that may honestly be defeated by those legalities, because a major aspect of its appeal is the real player names and school logos.  It LOOKS great.  The game's engineering is sound.  It works.  It's pretty.  Thus, it's what a college football fan would want.  

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
all that, @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , depends on the agreement you reach.... there are several attorneys here on the board- and i wager one of them will step up to assist you, as that's just the kind of crowd we have!  
Ultimately, just the game getting out into the world would be my goal.  Whether I sold it to another company for a one-time price or retained all the ownership isn't important to me.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2019, 10:13:53 PM
I was searching around again, as I sometimes do, at football board games and what's out there and I do a google search.
"college football board game"
My game is the #1 entry, genuinely - the facebook page for it is the top entry.  This is incredible!  I've only sent out about 8 game sets for play-testing and only boosted the webpage once, but I'm consistently getting views/likes/adds every day. 



Is there a reason I shouldn't be elated/stunned?!?  I had a friend search from her computer to make sure it was legit, and it is.  WOW!!!  
Just wanted to share.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2019, 10:18:43 PM
Whoa Nellie
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on February 11, 2019, 09:52:49 AM
that's awesome. plug away and finish it up.

have you gotten any feedback yet?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 11, 2019, 10:46:51 AM
i almost mentioned it, but refrained... 'college football board game' is a key-word phrase that triggers from this site, and gets us some hits too.  because of this thread and the affiliated threads.  if you would like, @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , I can track the metrics for you so you know precisely how to market it when the time comes?  

Hell, I can set you up here if you'd like. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
If it isn't any trouble, sure.  

The feedback I've gotten has mimicked my own play-testing...people having trouble finding someone to have a 2-player game.  The 2-player game is ideal, as you're actually active on defense while your opponent has the ball.  As of right now, playing solo, you're playing as both teams.

I'm going to make it so you sort of "sim" the opponent's drives and only know the outcome:  TD/FG/Punt/Turnover before taking back control of the ball.  I can work out the math to do that, based on their scoring per game, your scoring allowed per game, etc.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 11, 2019, 06:45:56 PM
Yup.. Give me a bit and I'll set it up. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 11, 2019, 07:58:04 PM
I strongly suggest you make an app from it. Would likely be good for a grand a month.

I could set that up too. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on February 11, 2019, 09:09:13 PM
I agree. While I’d definitely get a board and play with my kids, making it into an app would make a killing. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
I wouldn't even know where to begin.
I do know the overall processing behind an app would be super simple, but while I could produce a niche board game business in an empty corner of the internet and not get in trouble for it, an official app sounds like it couldn't use official team logos and player names...
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on February 12, 2019, 07:53:03 AM
The trademark issues with games are very troubling when self-publishing
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 12, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
Yeah, that's the allure of staying small-time and non-electronic.  Stay small enough that you're not on anyone's radar.  
But to blow up and be something bigger, you'd have to be legit.  Which I'm all for, but someone with experience would have to do that.  I'm just a guy who made a game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: rolltidefan on February 12, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
img collegiate licensing has virtually all of the ncaa/conf/teams you'd want or need. i have no idea of their pricing or how to go about getting the license, but most colleges are on their client list.

we have some attorneys among us, are any of you copyright/trademark attorneys that might could offer some advice?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on February 12, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
img collegiate licensing has virtually all of the ncaa/conf/teams you'd want or need. i have no idea of their pricing or how to go about getting the license, but most colleges are on their client list.

we have some attorneys among us, are any of you copyright/trademark attorneys that might could offer some advice?
It's not that so much as protecting the game idea once it's out in the world.  The copyrights for games are very specific, so it's easy to tweak a small thing and be ok.  So if you are a small publisher, it's almost impossible for a good idea not to be taken and used by a company who can mass produce it and get it into stores more easily.  Generally, the better bet is to simply sell your idea unfortunately.  That's where the app is nice, you can get the quick burn, make your money quickly, before people get bored and move on, and you've likely sunk much less cost into it.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 12, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
That makes sense, but from all of the board game-specific videos I've seen, 100% have said people in the industry aren't out to do that.  They say copyrighting and trademarking is a waste of time and money, because people want to bring the games to market, not ruin their reputation "stealing" a game idea that may or may not sell.  

So there's that.

I sent one email to the NCAA, which I guess has nothing to do with it, because it's a school-by-school thing, right?  Anyway, I don't even know who I sent it to and if they could/would do anything about it.  Never heard back.

I'd be okay selling the game/idea to someone as long as they could get it out into the world.  The app, using the same idea as my game, could merely be a 'call the play, see outcome of the play' or 'call the play, watch the play unfold' thing, which would be tougher to create.  

It would still be fun playing great teams from the past, either way.  And I guess people could replay seasons, as that's what most Strat-o-matic baseball users do.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on February 12, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
That makes sense, but from all of the board game-specific videos I've seen, 100% have said people in the industry aren't out to do that.  They say copyrighting and trademarking is a waste of time and money, because people want to bring the games to market, not ruin their reputation "stealing" a game idea that may or may not sell.  

So there's that.

I sent one email to the NCAA, which I guess has nothing to do with it, because it's a school-by-school thing, right?  Anyway, I don't even know who I sent it to and if they could/would do anything about it.  Never heard back.

I'd be okay selling the game/idea to someone as long as they could get it out into the world.  The app, using the same idea as my game, could merely be a 'call the play, see outcome of the play' or 'call the play, watch the play unfold' thing, which would be tougher to create.  

It would still be fun playing great teams from the past, either way.  And I guess people could replay seasons, as that's what most Strat-o-matic baseball users do.  
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Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 02:07:28 AM
After doing a fan vote, I've shifted the defense ratings some and did a bunch of research - the yards per run and pass on defense - for the top 10 teams going back to 1971.  The top teams of that 47 year sample, in order:

Pass D:
'73 Nebraska....only allowed 3.3 yards per pass on the season.
'79 Alabama
'74 Alabama
'72 Tennessee
'97 Michigan
'99 Kansas St
'11 Alabama
'77 Arkansas
'78 Oklahoma
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Run D:
'93 Arizona...as I've obsessed on before - allowed fewer yards than carries on the season (0.9 ypc).
'97 FSU
'78 Penn St
'96 FSU
'80 Pitt
'92 Alabama
'08 TCU*
'03 USC
'71 Michigan
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*denotes mid-major team at the time
Still not sure what to do about them, maybe add a yard "penalty", but include them.  That's a substantial penalty, yet isn't damning, those teams could still compete and win some of the time vs the big boy programs, in the game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 02:28:27 AM
Of these 470 top ten teams, 1973 Nebraska is the only one in the fossil record to hold teams to fewer yards per pass attempt than run attempt.  Incredible.  
The average QB against the Huskers that year went 4 for 13 (29.6%) for 44 yards.  
If you think this was simply the times, the team ranked one spot above Nebraska was a 10-0-1 Michigan team that allowed 6.1 yards per pass.  On average, a QB's line vs the Wolverines was 10-20 for 120 yds.  

Big difference - all-time great pass defense.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 03:23:05 AM
Here are the defenses that were #1 in their season in both run D and pass D (per attempt) among just these top tens:
Year - Team - Final Ranking
1975 Alabama, 3rd
1976 Texas A&M, 7th
1988 Auburn, 8th
1989 Miami, 1st
1992 Alabama, 1st
2004 USC, 1st
2011 Alabama, 1st
2017 Alabama, 1st
*If you don't count mid-majors, 2010 Ohio St. (5th) would make the list.
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The most consecutive years leading the top 10 in run D is three, by:
1979, 1980, 1981 - Pitt
2015, 2016, 2017 - Alabama
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The most consecutive years leading the top 10 in pass D is three, by:
1985, 1986, 1987 - Oklahoma
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Teams that did it two years in a row:
Run D:
1990, 1991 - Washington
1996, 1997 - FSU
2003, 2004 - USC
2011, 2012 - Alabama
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Pass D:
1974, 1975 - Alabama
2012, 2013 - FSU
2015, 2016 - Ohio St.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 03:42:48 AM
The worst top ten team of the last 47 years in by this measure?
run D:  2014 Georgia Tech (5.1)
pass D:  2018 Oklahoma (8.43)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Of these 470 top ten teams, 1973 Nebraska is the only one in the fossil record to hold teams to fewer yards per pass attempt than run attempt.  Incredible.  
The average QB against the Huskers that year went 4 for 13 (29.6%) for 44 yards.  
If you think this was simply the times, the team ranked one spot above Nebraska was a 10-0-1 Michigan team that allowed 6.1 yards per pass.  On average, a QB's line vs the Wolverines was 10-20 for 120 yds.  

Big difference - all-time great pass defense.
Monte Kiffin Defensive coordinator
Tom Osborne's first game as head coach was vs the #10 UCLA Bruins in 73.  Of course the Bruins were running the wishbone.
2nd game was vs #14 NC St.  Wolfpack's passing line?  3 of 16 for 16 yards and a pick
non-con foes Wisconsin and Minnesota didn't fair much better passing
obviously, the old Big 8 wasn't full of passing offenses.
Colorado was the only team to top 100 yards passing at 105
in the Cotton Bowl vs the SWC champ Longhorns.  The Horns completed 7 of 17 passes for 90 yards and 2 picks.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
Thank you.
Yes, the bone years were lean on pass attempts and acumen, but the average yards per attempt were still within a half yard of today's game.  I calculated the average of the top 10 teams in '71, '81, '91, '01, and '11, and it incrimentally goes up, with a slight downturn in '11.  All the additional attempts, with the influence of Bill Walsh, I assume, has led to a sharp decrease in yards per completion.
That's why you had TEs and WRs like Keith Jackson for OU averaging 27 yards per catch - they didn't catch it often, but when they did, it was such a change-up, it went for big yards.  
It's remarkable how stable yards per attempt has been.  It really works out so that you could play a game between '74 OU and '04 USC and have it play out like an actual, feasible game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 11:47:40 AM
David Humm was an above average QB back in 73 running Osborne's pro style offense - played in the NFL

completed just 54% of his passes, but his 114 completions went for 1601 yards - 14 yards per catch
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2019, 02:24:36 PM
Both the #1s on these lists were by far the best.  The gap between '73 Nebraska's pass D and #2 was the same as the gap between #2 and someone in the teens.
Same with '93 Arizona's run D.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on March 15, 2019, 09:42:01 PM
Of these 470 top ten teams, 1973 Nebraska is the only one in the fossil record to hold teams to fewer yards per pass attempt than run attempt.  Incredible.  
The average QB against the Huskers that year went 4 for 13 (29.6%) for 44 yards.  
If you think this was simply the times, the team ranked one spot above Nebraska was a 10-0-1 Michigan team that allowed 6.1 yards per pass.  On average, a QB's line vs the Wolverines was 10-20 for 120 yds.  

Big difference - all-time great pass defense.
The Big 8 at that time was max-run/little-pass.  And it wasn't just that Big 8 teams didn't pass much.  They didn't pass well either.  That has to account for much of that remarkable stat.

OU beat the Huskers 27-0 in Norman that year, but only went 3-10-1 for 51 yards passing.

BTW, Nebraska had a great defense that year.  Period.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 10:16:56 AM
yup, Barry's first team was held under 27 twice that season
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 18, 2019, 12:46:54 AM
David Humm was an above average QB back in 73 running Osborne's pro style offense - played in the NFL

completed just 54% of his passes, but his 114 completions went for 1601 yards - 14 yards per catch
That's another thing I've learned - Nebraska wasn't option in the early-mid 70s.  Were they using wingbacks with Johnny Rodgers before then?  Some kind of veer?  Why pass so much in the mid-70s?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
well, it wasn't footballs flying every down.  For example in 78 the huskers completed 134 passes of 229, but had 752 rushing attempts

and the Huskers went 98-20-4 in the 70s

it was the inability to beat the derned Sooners in late November weather.  Osborne was 1-8 vs Switzer from 73-1980

1980, Osborne started running the QB, it really took off when he out-recruited Switzer for Dallas QB Turner Gill. Soph Gill took the reigns after a slow start in 1981 and the Huskers beat the Sooners in 81, 82, and 83.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2019, 01:20:06 PM
I'll be at the Arizona Game Fair today, with the Whoa Nellie game.  Hopefully I'll find some football fans to sit down and play.  It's at the Mesa Convention Center.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2019, 11:08:19 AM
Played a full game with someone who took to the game and said he really enjoyed it.  He got out to a big lead, but I came back and won.  He was really impressed and said it felt like a real football game experience, especially at the end (it was a close game).  
He also provided some very good input and new ideas I hadn't thought of, so that was extremely helpful.


My new "Whoa Nellie" card was a success.  Previously, I was lacking fumbles and random long TDs in the game.  In researching how often those plays tend to happen, I created a card that has 2 binary dice rolls, with the player on defense deciding when to play it (must play it once per half):
When the card is played:
first roll = 50/50 chance of a fumble caused or a possible long TD
next roll = 50/50 chance of the fumble being recovered by the offense or defense
                 OR
              = 50/50 chance of the long TD happening or not
So it breaks down to when the card is played each half:  25% chance of a lost fumble, 25% chance of a long TD, and a 50% chance an neither.

It worked well for me, especially - I netted a long fumble return for a TD in the first half and a long TD run in the 2nd half.  In a game that can drag on a little with long, nickel-and-diming offensive drives, it really injects some uncertainty and excitement, while not tossing out the statistical validity out the window.  





I'm going to include more diverse defensive options.  Having rarely played a 2-player game, defense can get stale with only so many choices.  
He mentioned different sack likelihoods for long pass (7 step drop) and short pass (3 step drop), which is an easy addition and makes perfect sense.  I'll have to check my notes for other ideas.



Basically yesterday was a great day for the game improving going forward.  I'm going back today because a guy wanted to play it, but couldn't bc of timing yesterday.  He specifically wanted me to seek him out this morning.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2019, 11:11:42 AM
Instead of taking the game to a game store and hoping someone will be bored enough to try it out (they don't tend to be sports fans), I need to ask a sports card shop owner if i can hang out and ask customers to play it there.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2019, 01:54:19 PM
So how does Kickstarter work?  
I don't want some money coming in and not have a precise plan with which to use it.  I've never been on the site or anything.  I just want to do this right, and I guess this is the most popular avenue for a new board game.


Any expertise out there?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 12, 2019, 11:12:13 PM
Okay, well I'm not doing kickstarter, it wasnt what I thought it was.  And I'm not taking donor dollars and paying myself or anything like that.  Just going to avoid all that stuff.


Gamecrafter is a site that will create games from files you send them, but I'm only going to use them to create my game board.  The rest I'll just do myself.  There are hundreds of people wanting to buy the game, so that's good.  But I'm torn between quality vs price at the moment.  As I catalogue all the top 10 teams going back to 1971, I've been hemming and hawing about how to do this.


So a guy online gave me the idea of a demo of the game.  He had bought some sports game ($40+) and didn't really like it at all.  But he has no recourse now.  I'm really wanting to keep the price of my game down, as the main expense will be adding teams you want to play with as time goes by.  Like okay, I'm tired of these 4 teams, I want to buy 4 more, so I can play a dozen new matchups or an 8-team playoff, etc. 


I'm pleased with the game as I produce it, except for the game board itself.  There's no way for me to make it that doesn't look home-made.  So I was thinking I could charge something like $15 for a demo of the game, with the home-made game board and 2 teams instead of 4.  Then if the customer likes it, that $15 would go towards the ultimate, full price and they'd get the professional game board and additional 2 teams.  The full game is going to be around $40 or so, I don't see a way to decrease it.  Plus there's shipping that I'm looking into as well. 


Just an update.  I was given the go-head to include the forum website on the game box and/or components, so maybe it'll kick up some more fans here. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 13, 2019, 04:25:27 AM
It's a good thing when people are getting pissy about not being able to buy the game yet, right?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
good luck, hope it takes off

folks were pissy that they couldn't get their Tesla electric car in time
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 13, 2019, 10:43:37 PM
I'm just put off that the largest 3 costs to the game are the game board, the box it would come in and the shipping.  WTF


All the time I put into creating and producing the team sets of cards would be made up by selling certain teams dozens of times.  All the other components are a few dollars combined.  



The demo idea subverts the game board issue, but I still have to get it out to people.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2019, 12:08:29 AM
I've got a first try at a website for the game.  Please check it out and provide feedback.  I'm wanting it to be simple, informative, and easy to purchase.  
I'll be adding buying buttons (paypal, shopping cart, etc), but how's the site feel?  Like a real, live normal thing?  



Let me know.

https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/ (https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/)

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on July 12, 2019, 12:44:21 AM
Not bad.  I think you need to provide some description of the game play.  I have my imagination and memories of some of the old board games of the past, but that will help deliver the 'value proposition'.  Perhaps a video.

I will want to buy this.  The full version. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 12, 2019, 07:42:53 AM
Hmm. I get a security warning when I try to get on the website. My computer is pretty locked down, so that might be the problem. Or maybe Microsoft Edge?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2019, 08:17:44 AM
Not bad.  I think you need to provide some description of the game play.  I have my imagination and memories of some of the old board games of the past, but that will help deliver the 'value proposition'.  Perhaps a video.

I will want to buy this.  The full version.
Thanks.
Yes, I need a 4th page, and I'll do some short videos for each aspect of the game for now.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
nice work!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 18, 2019, 12:53:16 PM
i've started creating pre-orders for the most enthusiastic potential customers and today came to the realization that I've cut costs a lot....


changing from 40 individual play-call cards to having them all on one big team card has decreased my pages printed from 11 color/10 black-and-white down to just 5 color pages.


That'll really help, the more orders I get.  Just sharing.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on August 19, 2019, 12:11:21 AM
I'm a little confused at the moment, I can't seem to pick the 4 teams.   Am I missing something.   Love to order this OAM.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2019, 12:17:54 AM
I'm a little confused at the moment, I can't seem to pick the 4 teams.  Am I missing something.  Love to order this OAM.
The site isn't up and running yet, it just exists.  Drew has some tinkering to do, as I'm little help. 
Just let me know your 4 teams here, and I'll get 'em started.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on August 19, 2019, 12:32:19 AM
Forgive me OAM, a little disheveled following our house move this week,  I don't think I can see a list of the available teams (now).  I did survey the game board post on this site also.   
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2019, 12:33:59 AM
Basically it's any top-10 team (final AP poll) in any season going back to 1971 AND any team period from 2005-now. 
And if you really want someone outside of those parameters, I'll try my best.


I'm assuming you'll want the 2000 Sooners, the '05 Horns, and a couple of Gators greats teams, yes?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 19, 2019, 12:43:35 AM
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , you've got a dropdown now in the product named "testing".  you can use it as a model on how to build out the others.  

I'm working on the styling, now... I'd rather see the dropdown box to the left above the 'add to cart' or 'buy now' buttons... 

we're getting there..... 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2019, 02:37:27 AM
I see it's on the left, thanks.  Where does the customer specify which teams he wants?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 19, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
when they select the drop down value and 'add to cart' it will be in the order. 
it should show up in your dashboard>orders> 'testing' (name of product right now), attribute: *The Mighty and Excellent Tennessee Volunteers(the team selected). 

(*could be exchanged for the 'loathsome alabama crimson tide', or 'slimy lizards of gainsville', or... maybe your more conventional naming convention is better..... )

if you want years, that may be a trick... we may have to enter each, such as 95Huskers, 96Huskers, ect... 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2019, 01:39:55 PM
Thanks.

We've got to get rid of some apostrophes on the page links and get the page links to connect to the proper pages still.


I'm good with it being functional before it gets pretty.  I'll add some updated photos as well.  I need to figure out how to get videos done, as they won't email from my phone.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2019, 12:23:15 AM
Alright, gimme OU 1971,  Colorado 1990, Miami 1991 and Nebraska 1995.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 20, 2019, 02:34:50 AM
Can do
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 25, 2019, 07:38:21 PM
my man @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) has a nice looking webpage y'all!!! 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on August 25, 2019, 07:51:27 PM
https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/ (https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on August 25, 2019, 09:52:14 PM
very nice.  

are we live, to buy?    I might wait a week ish, as I need to my driveway to set.  Don't want any dude leaving this on my curb.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 26, 2019, 12:52:58 AM
I'm wanting to post videos on the site before I release it to the world.  But you, yourself can go ahead, if you want.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 15, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
Website is live, already very busy with the orders that have come in.  Very exciting!!!
In case anyone was interested or curious, here are the teams that people have ordered so far (by order):

69 Penn St
69 Tennessee
69 Texas
69 WV
71 Alabama
71 ASU
71 Georgia
71 UM
71 Nebraska
71 OU
72 Auburn
72 OSU
73 ND
76 Pitt
---------------------
18 Alabama
18 Clemson
18 OSU
18 UM
--------------------
08 BYU
16 Boise St
17 Washington
91 Washington
2018 Pac 12 (all 12 teams)
-----------------------------------------
18 Wisconsin
18 Miami
18 ND
18 LSU
------------------------
17 Wisconsin
18 Alabama
18 Clemson
18 OU



I'm very happy to see a couple of repeats (18 Bama, 18 Clemson) - as those won't require any real work to produce a 2nd time.  At some point, many of the orders should be repeats, and it'll be both easier on me and can be sent out more quickly.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 15, 2019, 11:53:59 PM
Great to hear OAM.  I just placed my order.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 15, 2019, 11:59:57 PM
Great to hear OAM.  I just placed my order.  Looking forward to it.
 @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) -   was the user experience satisfactory?  was there anything that can be done better?  I ask because his customers are his- and not mine to ask... but you? heheheheee... seriously, though... what can be done better?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 16, 2019, 01:08:06 AM
Alright, gimme OU 1971,  Colorado 1990, Miami 1991 and Nebraska 1995.
This order looks familiar :88:
...and 2 of them are already created.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 16, 2019, 01:10:04 AM
@MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) -  was the user experience satisfactory?  was there anything that can be done better?  I ask because his customers are his- and not mine to ask... but you? heheheheee... seriously, though... what can be done better?
Yeah, tell us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmr5VA2EiEg

 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmr5VA2EiEg)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 16, 2019, 01:18:31 AM
It was a pretty good experience.    My harshest commentary (grasping for a criticism) would be the process for selecting the four teams.

While the prompts were good, and there was good instruction for selecting the teams.  I did need to 'wipe out' or delete the text in that instruction box in order to type in my four selections.   I could see typos occurring, or some confusion or mix up on your end if the entries are not succinct.   An ideal workflow would likely have a drop box, or more explicit entry boxes  (Team Name)   and then a second for (Year).  I also would prefer (personal taste) to have that team selection prompt occur, one step prior to getting to the cart.  For a heartbeat, I thought, wtf, did I just order a set with 4 random team selections.  I trusted the process, as you guys have been showing us the beta all along.

I'm not the world's biggest fan of PayPal but I do understand all of the reasons why a merchant chooses it for payment processing. (again, just a personal taste preference).  I used it, didn't I?

All told, really good effort.  I'm excited about this game.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 16, 2019, 01:02:50 PM
thanks, @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) ... taken under advisement.  We've eliminated the 'default' text in the field mentioned, and.. we made that field mandatory/required.  

the volume of teams available makes the drop down cumbersome... and the thought also crossed my mind that if a person has to actually type the year and team they are less likely to mess it up.. i hope, anyway. 

re:card processors... until PayPal and Stripe came around, the grip on credit card processing companies was bad for mom-n-pop online businesses.. yeah, you could do it but it cut deep into the margins and required gateways in addition to the processing itself... meaning: there are/were like four places only to do business with, and they weren't giving anything away.  

i recall a lady looking me dead in the eyes and demanding a credit report for both the business and my personal one before that bank would consider processing credit cards for me... i asked her for her banks credit report as THEY are the one's in 'question', holding my money for 3 days, scalping the fees off the top, and then 'letting' me have it- if there was a problem the onus was on me to recover, not return excess.... she didn't like that, and i ended up staying with the processor i had.  

PayPal and Stripe, but especially PayPal has taken most the technical effort out of the game... and them being at least an option offers some sort of trust with the user.  the other options are stripe and amazon, but they flat out want too much.... I hope @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) does well enough that at some point integrating his own processing instead of relying on third party is an option... but paying dollars per transaction and nearing double digit percentages is just not financially feasible, especially when Stripe and PayPal have recognized the issue and offered a suitable and sustainable solution...

all that said- i agree... a cleaner checkout that keeps users on the page is better than what he has currently.

I may design a pretty little window popup with all the checkout process in it for him... if i could just figure out how to have a list of available teams/years ready i would have went that way right off the bat.   
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 16, 2019, 01:54:41 PM
Thanks.   Like I said, I see the value in using PayPal.   Good work guys.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 16, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
not available through Amazon at this time?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 16, 2019, 08:57:11 PM
not available through Amazon at this time?
I already have more orders than I can quickly fill...baby steps, guys.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 17, 2019, 06:06:32 PM
I have somehow missed this entirely.  Wow.  Great job OAM!

I am seriously impressed.

On a side note, after reading this monster thread ---

2 years ago you were puzzled by 1994's defensive numbers. 

Let me clear that up for ya --

Penn State was so good that the starters were almost always pulled early.  This resulted in a great amount of opposing teams scoring against the reserves.  It probably cost Paterno the Natty, tbh.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 17, 2019, 07:32:18 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2019, 10:52:46 PM

Penn State was so good that the starters were almost always pulled early.  This resulted in a great amount of opposing teams scoring against the reserves.  It probably cost Paterno the Natty, tbh.
agreed, I've been on record for decades that I would be fine with a split
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 19, 2019, 02:42:47 AM
there are all kinds of creepy things folks with access to a server can see- in regards to traffic approaching and on a page.  i more often feel awkward looking at stats even when doing so for the express purpose of 'feeling out' what brings people, what keeps people engaged, and what brings them back. 

with this forum/page, i pretty much know each of you by name- but i sometimes look through the massive amounts of lurkers we get to see how they 'found' us.  

when you're selling something, these types of stats are crucial.. you can see what products people are interested in and if they place an item in their cart, remove a product... what terms they used in a search to find you... what link and where that link is located (exterior webage, email, FB or instagram, ect) they used to find you... allowing you to focus on the successful avenues and place less emphasis on lessor ones, ect.. 

so... in regards to @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) 's efforts... in all the online stores i've even heard talk about, i've never seen the 'organic' traffic that fool is getting... (he's a fool because he and i are enemies until after the game on Saturday).. but that isn't why i come here with this.  

there is a webpage- another forum in fact- that is sending him traffic like mad... these guys appear to be board game fanatics of some variation, but this subset of them are also college football freaks, too.  and they LOVE it.  one of them purchased early it appears- one of the firsts... and he played his first full length game, which played out in an hour and a half, and ended with a realistic score of 28-7 I think it was... it was '68 PSU vs. '72 tOSU.  PSU won.  He had nothing but glowing remarks and positive input speaking of 'playing solo' and using the mechanisms 'fro used to 'keep bias in check'.  

Good Job, 'fro.  you slimy booger eating lizard (in remembrance of Mr.Hoople's name for you).  you've got good reason to be proud.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 19, 2019, 02:45:14 PM
Thanks a lot.  Hopefully, it will get into the hands of people who will love it the most.  None of this could have been possible without your efforts on the website end and holding my hand through it.  

I'm working like mad to get the product to the customers (I "converted" 6 teams' stats into game-ready inputs last night, the most I've done in one sitting).  I have my 2nd order ready to be sent out.  I'll be finishing the entire Pac-12 from 2018 tonight for order #3.  


It's tiring, but it's something I believe in and am proud of.  People like me (and us?) will enjoy it, for sure.  Last summer, I looked at what was already out there, didn't think much of it, and hopefully have filled that gap with something better.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 20, 2019, 07:32:12 PM
Where are my customers from?

Stewartville, MN
Plainview, NY
Yakima, WA
NY
Milwaukee, WI
Northborough, MA
Carmel, IN  (i went to a wedding there once)
IA
Pleasant Hill, MO
NE
OH
St. Augustine, FL
Oshkosh, WI
Omaha, NE
CO
Ft. Wayne, IN
MD
NY

Pretty diverse, a lot of midwesterners.  And someone from the UK.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 20, 2019, 08:02:24 PM
Where are my customers from?


Carmel, IN  (i went to a wedding there once)

I've been to a couple strip clubs there
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 20, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
Where is there a strip club in my current residence of now 11 years?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2019, 08:30:28 AM
well, this was back in the 80's, I think it was Kokomo

my bad
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 21, 2019, 10:44:07 AM
Solo play videos posting now.

I must be a decent game designer, as there are actually 4 different ways to play the game solo, and I hadn't really planned for that to be the case.

1 - actively playing as both teams
2 - passively playing as neither team, allowing the solo play charts do all the decision-making
3 - actively playing as one team, using the solo play charts for your opponent
4 - actively playing as one team, using the Quick-Play solo chart to find out your opponent's outcome for each possession



#3 is probably the most popular way people play solo games, but having options is always good.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 22, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
so how do you handle the shipping, and what's your typical fulfillment process like (time to get it out door)?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 22, 2019, 09:38:58 PM
I have flat shipping rates, which I take a minor loss on, but it's fine and I'm looking for cheaper options.

It's taking me some time to create teams for orders thus far, but once a team is created, it can be produced immediately any time it's ordered after that.  These large orders are taking awhile to fulfill and send out, but future orders will have more and more repeated teams and will out quicker and quicker.


Right now, I estimate new orders getting out in 3-4 weeks.  Your order would be sooner than that.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on September 22, 2019, 11:04:49 PM
Thanks OAM.   Always fascinating to me how small business sorts out these tasks. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 23, 2019, 12:20:59 AM
On the FB page, I specified orders would be created as they came in, which I'm sticking to.  I could have made more of the smaller orders more quickly, but I'm sticking to what I posted.


I'm not pleased with how long it's taking initially, but it's a time investment that will pay off in the future.  The customer that places an order a month from now will get their order faster than those who already made an order (by wait time, not by date, lol).  The customer that places an order 2 months from now will get their order faster than the one 1 month from now.  And so on.


Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 23, 2019, 01:23:53 AM
Actually I can tell you you're 4th in line, so to speak.  After I finish up this big order I've been working on this weekend, you're 4th, and all of the orders before yours are 4 teams each, so none of them will take very long at all.

These orders of 14+ teams are a killer, but good for business and the more teams I make now, the more quickly orders can get out going forward.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
Good Job, 'fro.  you slimy booger eating lizard (in remembrance of Mr.Hoople's name for you).
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 07, 2019, 08:12:15 PM
Merry Christmas to me.  I arrived back home and saw my package.  I look forward to playing this week.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 07, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
Sorry it took so long - trying to keep it at 3 weeks, with the swell of orders we got right off the bat.  Got a lot of repeats, looking forward, so that will help expedite things.  Just staying busy.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 07, 2019, 08:47:38 PM
Dont worry about it. Im an insider,  aren't I. Believe me, I've plenty to do in this new house to organize.

Edit: First impression.  I will laminate all of the full size  8x11 cards and reference cards, otherwise I'll work them over in the first month.

Cool dice and tokens.   Nice contrast on the chains (funny how it is Tennessee orange (w black)).  I know there's cost, but that is the only game piece that could be improved upon (I will laminate these).

I'll save my full review of the game on the Board Game Post on the other page not the board.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 08, 2019, 12:14:27 PM
You might want to cut/glue to consolidate the special teams charts before laminating.  You can see it on the "Whoa Nellie Intro Video" on the site or youtube channel at 4:13.  A long, 1-page front-and-back chart.



I also laminated the game field itself.  As for the first down chain markers, there's not really anything out there I can use.  I can darken the orange or whatever, but hell, the right-sized paperclip could work for that job.  


Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 09, 2019, 01:51:59 AM
I posted my first game review over on the Whoa Nellie page on this board for those interested.  Fun game play.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 09, 2019, 02:16:54 AM
Thanks for taking the time to 1 - order, 2 - play, and 3 - review the game!


Some responses:
1 - funny you should mention OU being down and running the ball:  just today I was contemplating this and thinking of a fix.  I'll make a 2nd half "blowout" chart included in each game.  I can email it to everyone who's already received the game.
2 - you should get the field laminated...I don't laminate it before sending because it has to be folded to mail it out.  I got mine matte laminated for $3.00
3 - I'd be in debt to you if you organized the rule book - totally when/if you can, on your timeline.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 20, 2019, 12:46:16 AM
I have to share this - it's cool/amazing/makes me proud:

While creating '94 Colorado, we were able to find a page that had every scoring play for the Buffs that year - 46 in all. Then we looked and noticed the yardages and wondered how many of them are possible playing Whoa Nellie College Football.
Well, all but 9 of the 46 scoring plays could play out with the normal plays in the game. That's not all. The first 8 longer TD plays could be produced by the game using the Whoa Nellie card - as in they were the only extra-long scoring plays occurring within a half of play. The last long TD of the season, the 9th long TD play, could not be re-created in the game, as it was the 2nd long TD of that half.
You could literally re-create 1994 Colorado's first 45 scores of the season (correct player and yardage). The only one you couldn't happened with 35 seconds left in their final regular season game. We're okay with that and are proud of this revelation.
Yes, this is a sample size of one team in one season, but it's pretty amazing nonetheless. It was a random team - we didn't seek it out because it was unique or make the game look good. Just a fortuitous discovery....thought it was worth a share.



Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 20, 2019, 02:40:43 PM
Oops, there was 1 other TD you couldn't re-create with my game, so that's 44 out of 46.  Still pretty cool. (garbage-time TD pass from backup QB to some guy wayyyy down the depth chart).
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 02, 2019, 12:03:29 AM
Having a tough time creating 1971 Stanford.




Interestingly, Washington's QB in 1972 was named Sonny Sixkiller.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
I remember Sonny, great name!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 02, 2019, 10:35:41 AM
Rando fact:

Colorado's 1990 National Championship team and its 1971 team that finished 3rd behind UNL and OU had the same average score for the season:  31-18.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on November 02, 2019, 10:37:17 AM
Check your email OAM.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on November 02, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
Having a tough time creating 1971 Stanford.


Interestingly, Washington's QB in 1972 was named Sonny Sixkiller. 
Sonny is a Cherokee, born in Tahlequah, OK, capital of the Cherokee Nation.
"Killer" in Cherokee means something other than what it does in English--something to do with rank or status, I think--and it appears in some Cherokee family names.  Wilma Mankiller was the principal chief of the tribe for a number of years, and there is a Lake Tenkiller--created by damming the Illinois River--named for a prominent Cherokee family who owned the land that was bought for the project.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 02, 2019, 12:01:58 PM
Wow, did not know that.  Thanks.

Reminds me of many Navajo surnames - Yellowhair, Manycows, etc.  I taught on the Navajo Rez for 8 years...it would take a lot longer to learn about just the recent history there.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 02, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
Check your email OAM.
I don't see anything...
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on November 02, 2019, 03:20:34 PM
I'll try again, sent it to your game @gmail.com email. (couple attachments).
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 02, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
Ahh, sorry, I saw it yesterday.  Looks great!!!!!!  Sorry, i was at work and didn't immediately letting u know.


The Whoa Nellie within the mic is crazy.  I'd like that mic with the Whoa Nellie words next to it, and maybe half a football above it?  With "college football game" under it maybe.  That'd be a complete logo.



The rules page looks awesome.  I think it needs something to break it up besides headings.  Could every other section be within a box?  Just a thin line or something.   


Your friend is great for doing this, thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 04, 2019, 10:13:02 PM
Do you think there would be any interest in the WWII teams - Iowa Pre-Flight or Great Lakes Navy Training, etc.?  I think it'd be interesting, BUT they might be too good.


It would just be cool to have a team like that, though.  No?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on November 05, 2019, 11:20:08 AM
Michigan fans would be all over that to boost their win total!  Local high schools as well.

;)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
not sure any Iowa Pre-Flight fans are still living
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 05, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
I offer teams back to 71 and have made teams as far back as 69, and I still get requests for teams even earlier than that.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on November 06, 2019, 12:03:22 AM
I'd only make them upon request, which I think you make pretty clear on your site.

to go the other way, when I make my order for a bunch of other teams, I might grab a Paul Wulff Wazzu squad or that pathetic Weis ND team just to see how bad those teams are.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Kris60 on November 06, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Wow, did not know that.  Thanks.

Reminds me of many Navajo surnames - Yellowhair, Manycows, etc.  I taught on the Navajo Rez for 8 years...it would take a lot longer to learn about just the recent history there.
You know the TLC song “Waterfalls?”  Well, the first time I heard it I thought they were saying “Don’t go Jason Waterfalls.”  I was like, “Wtf kind of name is Jason Waterfalls?”  Then it occurred to me that maybe it was a Native American name.  But even when I sort of accepted that explanation in my head it made me wonder who or what had inspired that song about some dude named Jason Waterfalls.

Then one day I was just riding in my truck and the song came on the radio and it hit me like a ton of bricks they were saying “Don’t go chasin’ Waterfalls.”  Never felt so dumb in my life.  Didn’t mean to hijack the thread but to this day that is still a running joke between me and an old friend I told  that story to one day.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on November 06, 2019, 10:18:10 PM
You should visit kissthisguy.com

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 07, 2019, 09:06:38 AM
You know the TLC song “Waterfalls?”  Well, the first time I heard it I thought they were saying “Don’t go Jason Waterfalls.”  I was like, “Wtf kind of name is Jason Waterfalls?”  Then it occurred to me that maybe it was a Native American name.  But even when I sort of accepted that explanation in my head it made me wonder who or what had inspired that song about some dude named Jason Waterfalls.

Then one day I was just riding in my truck and the song came on the radio and it hit me like a ton of bricks they were saying “Don’t go chasin’ Waterfalls.”  Never felt so dumb in my life.  Didn’t mean to hijack the thread but to this day that is still a running joke between me and an old friend I told  that story to one day.
I still tease my little brother about wrong lyrics from childhood...
U2's "Mysterious Ways" - we grew up in FL and went to Sea World a bunch, so he thought "She moves in mysterious ways" line of the chorus was "Shamu in mysterious ways" - the name of the killer whale there.  THAT was hilarious.  A whale so special, U2 is singing about it.....

We're all guilty of it, though.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 05, 2020, 11:32:29 PM
In case any of you were interested, but didn't follow the game away from the board here, I wanted to share some customer feedback:
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Just finished my first game! My Alma Mater Appalachian State took on Ohio in a replay of the 2005 RayCom Camellia Bowl.
Real Life: Zach Matics hits a field goal as time expires to give App State a 31-29 win in their first ever bowl game.
My Game: Zach Matics hits a field goal as time expires to give App State a 37-34 win in their first ever bowl game.
Marcus Cox is named game MVP with 166 rushing yards and 4 rushing scores, including a 65 yarder in the second half off a Whoa Nellie card.
Great game! Can't wait to play my next one!

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Just finished my 1st Whoa Nellie season. I played with 10 teams divided into two divisions. Each team played a nine game regular season and I allowed 6 teams to make the playoff. '89 Miami finished 10-1 and beat '94 Penn St in the National Championship 28-27 behind Stephen McGuire's 138 rushing yards (he only rushed for 291 during the regular season). This type of random glory is common in the sport and sets this game apart from others.
Honestly, it's easy to critique the game's positives, as they are many, but my only complaint (and not a complaint at all) is the lack of the ability to choose who carries the ball on a given play. I.e. when the offense needs a short yardage gain but their All-American back is decoyed in favor of a little-used fullback. You cannot control this.
What I came to find after hours-upon-hours of play (I'm in between semesters right now) is that a QB with a high completion percentage is gold and a defense that can stop the run will, more times than not, win the game.
Oh, and old-school option teams do not play well when they are behind (just like REAL FOOTBALL)
Whoa Nellie, you hit a home run on this game

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I received my copy of your game a few days ago so I thank you for everything and for putting up with me checking in as I'm sure I was annoying. I love your game and me and my brother have been playing it none stop.
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Business is booming is see. Its a great game. Truly the finest college game yet. Did you expect the boom like what has happened?
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Just received my order, have played a couple of games and the game is fantastic. Very happy with the components / gameplay and customer service. I’ll definitely be buying more teams.
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You guys are the best. Cant wait to get more teams. is there a gift certificate available on your website?
Okay! Thanks..I am sooooo happy with this game. so much went into it. Amazing
love this game!!! and thank you!! Im gonna put an order in for 10 more teams this week
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 05, 2020, 11:54:56 PM
And yes, I'm only sharing the good and pretending all of the bad stuff isn't real!  :72:
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2020, 03:30:46 PM
bump
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 26, 2020, 12:30:29 AM
I have to give a shout out to BYU's website.  I'm struggling making 1979 Big Ten teams and they actually have the rosters of every team they've played going way back.  Not just a list, but a page for each guy with their number, position, ht, wt, etc.
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It's amazing and just helped me complete a team.  Thanks BYU!  
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btw, the absolute worst helmet program's website is OU's.  For such a storied program, they have jack sqaut when it comes to information going back.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
I blame Bobby Stoops
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 26, 2020, 10:18:13 AM
  
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btw, the absolute worst helmet program's website is OU's.  For such a storied program, they have jack sqaut when it comes to information going back.
Oklahoma has the internet? 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 26, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
I blame Bobby Stoops
Funny you say that....

I'm working on creating 1979 Iowa now, with Stoops as a DB.  Iowa's archive is crap, too.  Not even a roster to be found.
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Here's a not-so-fun fact:  there are more videos of 1979 Iowa HIGH SCHOOL football games than of Hawkeyes games on youtube.  WTF>
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
well, in 79 Iowa didn't have much of a glorious football program

Hayden had just arrived
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 26, 2020, 04:23:11 PM
I believe this is the first time I've been unable to even find a roster, though, for any team.  I emailed the AD, so we'll see.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
dude, they were 5-6 in 79

someone is willing to buy that team?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/1979-roster.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/1979-roster.html)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 26, 2020, 05:16:59 PM
I use that site for every team, but it lacks a numerical roster.
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They ordered the 1979 Big Ten, among their $292 order.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Boilers with some regret?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 26, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
I'm good on everyone, except 79 Northwestern.  There is absolutely no info out there.  I have stats, just no jersey numbers except the QB.  I guess winning 1 game in 4 years will do that.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on January 27, 2020, 07:59:38 AM
. . . btw, the absolute worst helmet program's website is OU's.  For such a storied program, they have jack sqaut when it comes to information going back.

. . . I'm working on creating 1979 Iowa now, with Stoops as a DB.  Iowa's archive is crap, too.  Not even a roster to be found. . . .
OU's site is worse than Iowa's?

Try SoonerStats.com.  It's not official, but it's got a lot of info.


Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2020, 06:30:58 PM
They both suck.
OU's site only has passing, rushing, and receiving.  Nothing else.  And it looks like it was created on geocities or some crap.  A typewriter maybe?
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For a program that won 47 straight games in the 50s and went berzerker in the 70s, you'd think OU would spring for some kind of online presence.  I guess Nebraska beat the Sooners on that one....in a blowout.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on January 27, 2020, 09:54:00 PM
They both suck.
OU's site only has passing, rushing, and receiving.  Nothing else.  And it looks like it was created on geocities or some crap.  A typewriter maybe?
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For a program that won 47 straight games in the 50s and went berzerker in the 70s, you'd think OU would spring for some kind of online presence.  I guess Nebraska beat the Sooners on that one....in a blowout.
You should email the A.D. with your observations.  Seriously.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
gotta be some students or grad assistants or a group of folks that could start a project for extra credit 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2020, 12:45:37 PM
Huskermax was the creation of fans.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 12:59:40 PM
Husker fans are a bit different than Sooner fans ;)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 29, 2020, 01:02:48 AM
gotta be some students or grad assistants or a group of folks that could start a project for extra credit
That's all it would take - some man-hours.  
You contact these athletic departments and they have basically anything and everything (except sacks, pre-1980 or so), usually on PDFs, often times handwritten copies.
But it would just require someone to take those, year by year, and input them.
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Bizarre that these massive athletic depts can't be bothered to do it.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 11:49:25 AM
wouldn't take much effort to find a few motivated volunteers - offer them a tour of the facilities and a couple sideline passes for a few non-con games, maybe an autograph from the coach or a couple players - lunch at the training table

zero cost
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MrNubbz on January 29, 2020, 12:26:27 PM
Husker fans are a bit different than Sooner fans ;)
Sooners Fans have b.o. and expectations?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 30, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
The Iowa AD got back to me - all 3 people I emailed did, actually.
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The N'Western crowd - not a peep.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 08, 2020, 10:29:28 PM
Updates:
all 3 people in Iowa's athletic dept got back to me with rosters!  Go Hawkeyes!
Bubkus from N'Western.  Of course, I was seeking their 1979 roster - the team that began their 30+ game losing streak.  Hopefully, they don't think I'm trolling them or something.
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Anyway, this year's Kentucky team is now the 2nd I've found to average more yards per rush than pass.  There was a good reason for this, though - as the only 2 QBs on the roster got hurt.  So they took their best player and let him take the snap and run around.  It was actually effective, for the most part.  So I have to create a special card - Lynn Bowden Jr led UK in rushes, receptions, and QBed the team for the most games.  That's got to be a first since back in the 40s or something.  
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What else.....oh yeah, 19 UK is also the 2nd team to require 3 QB cards.  Crazy.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 03, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
Wanted to share this discovery about 2019 Minnesota:
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I've created hundreds of teams for this game and '19 Minnesota had the greatest 2-WR dominance of any team, by far.  What I mean by that is only 2 WRs got a vast majority of the receptions....insanely so.
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Just interesting...to me.  
I'd think that would make it easier to defend, right?  Bracket those 2 guys or something, but it didn't matter.  They had stellar yards-per-attempt numbers - a very efficient passing game.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 11:44:49 AM
I had a customer hope/ask if I could make 1945 Army.  
So I tried it, and did fairly well, imo.  The offensive stats are out there, the stars are known.  But I couldn't find everything I needed.  Jersey numbers were tough.  I had to guesstimate one (backup end).
For all of the marveling at their offense with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside, there's nearly nothing about defensive stuff.  It was the same players playing defense, just zero attention paid to it.  
Some interesting tidbits:
the starting center also played some halfback and didn't play on the D-Line (was a LB-type or DB).
Glenn Davis, Mr. Outside, was one of 3 backs with 20+ pass attempts.  He didn't throw for a TD or an INT.  
The starting QB didn't have the most pass attempts.  HC Red Blaik would start the backups and bring in the starters in the 2nd quarter.  Army was so deep, they'd alternate quarters of play.
For all the ball movement and deception in the backfield, the QBs rarely carried the ball.  
They ran the power T, with no wideouts.  Both ends lined up as TEs do today.  Although sometimes, a HB would go in motion to the outside, pre-snap.
They ran a 5-3 on defense, with the QB playing safety.  He had a ton of INTs in 1946, not so much in '45.
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It would be a neat project to recreate a wartime Army-type team today.....meaning you'd take the best player from other schools and make a near all-star team.
45 Army had UNC's best player, Miss States, a good one from Michigan, etc.  I didn't research that, but could.
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They were masters at blocking - they'd hurl themselves across the thighs of defenders masterfully.  It seems 90% of football back then was either hurling yourself that way or going head-over-heels from being blocked that way.  Either way, you wound up on the ground A LOT more than today.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on March 31, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
For all of the marveling at their offense with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside, there's nearly nothing about defensive stuff.  It was the same players playing defense, just zero attention paid to it. 
Could you just use their subsequent NFL stats?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
Ehh, I'd rather not make a team than do something like that.  
I took what footage I could find and identified the most consistent pass-rushers.  I sort of took 1944-1946 INT data and combined it.  
All I could find was XP data for the kicker, so I took that and subtracted the average difference between XP% and overall FG%.  So it's based on something at least.
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This is why I put the cutoff at 1971.  Going back earlier than that, the only consistently available data is from the famed ND teams (66, 49, 46).  There's relatively plenty online for them, including PDFs of programs and media guides going way back.
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As it is, the electronic archive of most of college football doesn't even go back pre-2000.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on March 31, 2020, 10:18:33 PM
Ehh, I'd rather not make a team than do something like that. 
I took what footage I could find and identified the most consistent pass-rushers.  I sort of took 1944-1946 INT data and combined it. 
All I could find was XP data for the kicker, so I took that and subtracted the average difference between XP% and overall FG%.  So it's based on something at least.
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This is why I put the cutoff at 1971.  Going back earlier than that, the only consistently available data is from the famed ND teams (66, 49, 46).  There's relatively plenty online for them, including PDFs of programs and media guides going way back.
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As it is, the electronic archive of most of college football doesn't even go back pre-2000. 
Have you contacted the University libraries?  I know Berkley library at Michigan has tons of old athletic info.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2020, 09:36:23 AM
Yes, I've done that for some teams, usually from the 70s.  I've emailed athletic departments as well.
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Some of these older teams, I spend 5-6 hours or more on, honestly.  If it's not the stats, it's the jersey numbers.  '45 Army has given me the 2nd-most trouble behind '79 Northwestern.  I found everything except anyone's jersey number, besides the QB. 
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The squirreliest I've had to get, stats-wise, before '45 Army's defense is the UM site for teams in the early 70s has only TFL yardage.  Not sacks, which is fine - it wasn't an official stat.  But not even tackles for loss, only yardage lost on TFL.  I found that to be odd.  It is actually useful, as sacks tend to cause bigger loss of yardage than normal TFL 1 or 2 yards behind the LOS.
MLBs tend to have high TFL numbers, but not for big yardage lost.  And no one in the 70s had a lot of sacks, because everyone was running the ball 85% of the time.  The lone exception I've found was '77 Texas, who had huge sack numbers.  Well maybe they were double-counting TFL and sacks?  No, they have separate columns for each.  That Horn DL featured Steve 'Mongo' McMichael. 
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Anyway, sacks are just ratio-ed out in my game, with an overall team sack percentage - average is about 10. 
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So while precision is tougher the further back you go, I do make sure I get neck-deep before I decide some adjacent stats are 'good enough'.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Woo-hoo!  Navy's archives go all the way back to....2000.  
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On a good news/bad news note, a guy in the UM athletic dept got back to me same-day...only to tell me their archive is down until late summer and he can't help me out because he's home.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on April 05, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
lame
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 06, 2020, 04:48:37 PM
Making all these FCS teams is time-consuming.  Can't build off the templates from previously-made ones of the same team.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 06, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
You ( @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) ) may want to consider doing an electronic purchase opportunity... allowing people to order and download... your existing software will do it easily for instant availability (after $ clears)... let them print it.... 

I may have just blown you wide open.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 06, 2020, 07:14:04 PM
The printing/cutting is the quickest step.  I plan on offering PDFs for a lower price, but I couldn't handle the volume right now.  Maybe in June.
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I definitely see why previous college games only offered a set number of teams, but I want to be better than that.  If you want to take on '95 Nebraska with Dri Archer and Kent St, you should be able to.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 07, 2020, 12:12:02 PM
For their 2019 team, Harvard gets the best run defense rating and the worst pass defense rating in the game.  That's a rarity.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
On a good news/bad news note, a guy in the UM athletic dept got back to me same-day...only to tell me their archive is down until late summer and he can't help me out because he's home. 

That's weird, usually they only have trouble accessing recent football history.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on April 12, 2020, 03:26:47 PM
Episode 2 - Whoa Nellie College Football Board Game by Whoa Nellie CFB51 College Football Podcast • A podcast on Anchor (https://anchor.fm/david-price23/episodes/Episode-2---Whoa-Nellie-College-Football-Board-Game-ecijuh)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 12, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
Still looking for posters who'd like to record a segment for the podcast!  One of you guys who made this forum would be a good idea.  You don't have to have bought or played the game, we could discuss any specific college football topic you want.
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Doesn't someone want to have a "best RB" debate?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 14, 2020, 11:25:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/g3gyNuW.jpg)
I'm glad I finally got to make this card.  Any team allowing 2.8 ypc or less maxes out at -4 yards on their card.  But this defense was special, allowing only 0.9 yards per carry.  It's the best since 1957, and since I don't make teams going back that far (aside from '45 Army, and maybe some ND teams eventually), it's the best run defense ever.  
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I want to give the same special treatment to the best pass defense ever, but it'll take some more work to identify that one.  Tons of defenses from the 70s have great pass D stats, because everyone was running the option and QBs sucked at passing.  As for more modern teams, it's basically down to '97 UM and '11 Bama.  I need to look deeper to make sure I'm not leaving someone out.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2020, 05:28:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A2D4J4w.jpg)
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Got to be our first team with a presidential candidate....'95 Noles.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on April 16, 2020, 02:27:10 PM
[img width=420.996 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/A2D4J4w.jpg[/img]
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Got to be our first team with a presidential candidate....'95 Noles.
Haven't done 1933 Michigan or 1990 Stanford yet?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2020, 05:57:16 PM
Aside from '45 Army, the only teams I'm confident I could make pre-1969 are ND teams.  '66, maybe '46, '49.  HuskerMax goes back to the 60s, although only tackles data is there, not sacks or TFL.
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I've offered to help sportsreference.com with their college football data, but nah.  Someone could get all the stuff athletic depts have and create a source going back much further than what's currently out there.  They all have it.  Stupid NCAA is too lazy to acquire it.  
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I wish college football nerds were as stat-savvy as baseball nerds were back in the day.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on April 17, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
Aside from '45 Army, the only teams I'm confident I could make pre-1969 are ND teams.  '66, maybe '46, '49.  HuskerMax goes back to the 60s, although only tackles data is there, not sacks or TFL.
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I've offered to help sportsreference.com with their college football data, but nah.  Someone could get all the stuff athletic depts have and create a source going back much further than what's currently out there.  They all have it.  Stupid NCAA is too lazy to acquire it. 
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I wish college football nerds were as stat-savvy as baseball nerds were back in the day.
I think the reason they are not is that football is not as susceptible to individual stats as baseball is.

Half the football team isn't creating stats that many people care about.  But every baseball player (at least in the NL) has AB, H, BB, RBI, Batting Avg, Slugging Pctg, SB, etc.  And the pitchers also have G, IP, H, R, ER, K, etc.  And there are Opportunities (Chances?), Putouts, Errors.  Those things are all pretty clear and reasonably straightforward.

Non-skill-position stats in football are pretty murky.  Even passer and receiver stats can be deceptive.  When is a drop the receiver's fault and when the QB's fault.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2020, 07:25:03 PM
Non-skill-position stats in football are pretty murky.  Even passer and receiver stats can be deceptive.  When is a drop the receiver's fault and when the QB's fault.
Depends which one you played in high school.  :72:
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on April 17, 2020, 08:05:44 PM
Yep.  Probably does.

You were an interior lineman, weren't you?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2020, 08:44:50 PM
left tackle, but I backed up both G and T spots before starting.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
1984 Boston College has been a big seller lately.  People love them some Flutie Flakes!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on April 17, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
1984 was a big year for the Blackshirts
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
Forgot to put the school name it - OOPS.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 18, 2020, 07:29:32 PM
I always found it odd that MSU's best year under Dantonio wasn't very good defensively, relative to the other years in that era.
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I'm making the 2010 Spartans now, and i don't recall 1,000-yard rusher Edwin Baker at all.  His backup, I do remember, however.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 18, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
I'm on to making 1989 Illinois.
I tend to look at those programs who have never had their day in the sun and feel bad for them.  But over the course of creating all these team seasons and doing deep-dives of many obscure programs like the ones I mention here, they all seem to have had their chance....and fell on their face.
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Illinois had everything in front of them in '89.  They were headed to the Rose Bowl if they won out.  Only had 1 loss, who knows what would have happened?  Big test with another top-10 team in Michigan, but they got them in Champaign.  Had a QB with a cannon (George), good RB (Griffith), great DL (Agee and Gardner). 
And they lay an egg - lose 24-10.  So I don't feel bad for Illinois. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2020, 04:48:08 AM
Just created '89 Houston.  Andre Ware - Heisman - throwing the ball all over the place.
BUT...2 things about that team, well actually 3:
1 - the RB averaged 9.6 ypc
2 - they only averaged 8.1 yards per pass attempt, which isn't that high
3 - they had a great defense

Another oddity is that because they threw so much, only 2 players carried the ball all season.  2!!!  Weatherspoon, the starter, and Kimble Anders, who some of you may remember as a longtime FB for the Chiefs.  Aside from QBs getting sacked, no one else carried the ball.  It might be unprecedented.

I know the SWC wasn't strong at the end, but aside from SMU, it wasn't super weak in 1989.  They were as good as the ACC, Big Ten, or Big 8 that season.  Arkansas and A&M were very strong, along with Houston.  They didn't face very prolific pass attacks in the SWC, but their pass defense per attempt was extremely good, and option teams tend to have high yards-per-attempt numbers, so that's extra impressive for their D.  

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:33:08 AM
If we're lacking football talk, I could start listing the orders I'm creating and shipping out.  Maybe comment on them - players, memories, etc.?


Here's one:
97 Michigan (duh)
97 Marshall - Randy Moss/Chad Pennington......first person to order them
15 Texas Tech - of all the cartoony QB numbers in Lubbock, they're ordering this team because of Mahomes' NFL success
19 Oregon
19 Wisconsin......very fun Rose Bowl teams
79 Bama
18 Bama
79 USC
05 USC
87 Oklahoma....great D, 2 QBs with very poor completion %
83 Texas.....crazy great D
98 Kansas St
89 Houston.....this might be the new "hardest team to beat" in my game, ignoring Andre Ware's exploits.  Great defense and an absurd running game.
88 UCLA......Aikman at QB
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:36:41 AM
80 Georgia
80 ND.........1981 Sugar Bowl

83 Miami
83 Nebraska.....1984 Orange Bowl



Just those 4 teams.  If you've seen the 30 for 30 on Herschel Walker, you learned he dislocated his shoulder in that game on his 2nd carry.  They popped it back in and he went to one of his other personalities to bypass the pain, running for over 100 yards vs a strong Irish D.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:39:19 AM
19 LSU.....best offense ever?
93 Arizona.....best run D ever - special rating
94 Penn St
84 BC.....Flutie & Co have to be one of my top sellers
77 Texas.....the Tyler Rose and a sick D
71 Nebraska
76 Pitt....Tony D
98 Tennessee
18 Clempsin
75 Oklahoma
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:42:57 AM
15 Michigan St
97 Michigan......another top seller
01 Miami
12 Alabama
88 Oklahoma St.....Barry Sanders, ever heard of him?
80 Georgia
89 ND......as good as the 88 NC team....to me, this will always be the Tony Rice Unitas Award season w/ 2 TD and 9 INTs.......this season they really let Rocket run the ball a lot, at 7.5 ypc.
14 Ohio St
04 USC
08 Florida...Timmay!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:44:11 AM
In separate orders, I had my first requests for Duke teams....2006 and 2013.  06 was winless.  They're testing out my game to see if they play as bad as they did in real life.  '13 was good, winning their division.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 01:48:59 AM
I keep wanting to account for how often teams are ordered, but I never have any time.  I need to get someone to do that for me, because I'm interested as hell.

Anecdotally:
97 UM
84 BC
05 Texas
Most recent season teams (so 2018 in the fall, 2019 teams now)
82 SMU
83 Miami
95 Nebraska
93 FSU

Teams requested are very diverse, though.  Although, the last order of 14 teams, 9 I had previously made.  The order I'm on now of 10, 7 have been made.  So that's helpful.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: CWSooner on May 07, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
19 LSU.....best offense ever?
93 Arizona.....best run D ever - special rating
94 Penn St
84 BC.....Flutie & Co have to be one of my top sellers
77 Texas.....the Tyler Rose and a sick D
71 Nebraska
76 Pitt....Tony D
98 Tennessee
18 Clempsin
75 Oklahoma
FWIW, '73 and '74 Oklahoma were significantly better teams.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Kris60 on May 07, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
If we're lacking football talk, I could start listing the orders I'm creating and shipping out.  Maybe comment on them - players, memories, etc.?


Here's one:
97 Michigan (duh)
97 Marshall - Randy Moss/Chad Pennington......first person to order them
15 Texas Tech - of all the cartoony QB numbers in Lubbock, they're ordering this team because of Mahomes' NFL success
19 Oregon
19 Wisconsin......very fun Rose Bowl teams
79 Bama
18 Bama
79 USC
05 USC
87 Oklahoma....great D, 2 QBs with very poor completion %
83 Texas.....crazy great D
98 Kansas St
89 Houston.....this might be the new "hardest team to beat" in my game, ignoring Andre Ware's exploits.  Great defense and an absurd running game.
88 UCLA......Aikman at QB
One of my old HS teammates was a reserve freshman LB on that 97 Marshall team.  Lamar Martin, #34.  You’re welcome.  Lol.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 04:41:31 PM
Thanks!  You unlocked the only thing holding me back!  

Some of these teams are really hard to get everything I need for.  So I'm making '91 Cal at the moment - I remember them - Russell White at RB, Piatkowski at QB, Sean Dawkins at WR.  Anyway, I go to their site and I'm amazed to see they have a 1991 roster page.

I click it.  It has 2 players.  FFS  :91:
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2020, 09:41:54 PM
Had to watch some 1991 footage on youtube, but I made 91 Cal and 91 San Diego St.
Whew!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Kris60 on May 08, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
I admire the dedication.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 08, 2020, 03:22:13 PM
I admire the dedication.
Well, OAM is a teacher... And in the world of distance learning, how do we know this isn't a "project" for his students to teach them math or something via college football statistics.

Are we sure he's not running a sweatshop employing free labor? :57:
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
some of those kids are enjoying the assignment
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2020, 04:35:55 PM
I'd love some cheap labor, but I'm not there yet.  Kids....nah, I need precision.  No mess-ups.  I've been fortunate to catch most of mine.  
What I could really use is a college football nut friend nearby.  I had a few back in FL, but not out west.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2020, 04:37:07 PM
I admire the dedication.
I mean, it's for profit.  It's not profit-required.  Hopefully, I'm genuinely filling a gap in the market.  That's the only reason I started it - I didn't find anything I'd want to play.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 14, 2020, 01:08:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h4tdBze.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/DIej98f.png)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 14, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
True to his word - just made a $100 order!  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2020, 02:21:08 AM
Funnily enough, all the talk about the Badgers vs TCU in the RB, someone orders the 2010 Badgers.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2020, 02:29:20 PM
40-team order in - 34 teams already created.  Only have to make 6 new.  Thank Christ. 

A customer is inquiring about buying all 130 teams for the 2019 season.  There goes my summer.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2020, 08:16:58 PM
could be worse
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 14, 2020, 08:15:11 PM
Just made '94 Nebraska for the first time it's been ordered. 
When teams go back-to-back NCs, one is always valued higher than the other.  Think about it:
69 Texas is far more remembered than 70 Texas
71 Nebraska over 70 Nebraska
74 OU over 75 OU

78 Bama over 79 Bama.  The 79 Tide was obviously better, but it was the 78 squad with the goal line stand vs Penn St, and that's all anyone seems to remember.

95 Nebraska over 94, because 95 might have been the best team of all time.

04 USC over 03, because it wasn't a shared title and they fed OU a poop sandwich in the OB. 

And for the recent Bama years ('11-'12), they've won so many times in a short time that they all kind of run together in the public consciousness. 

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 14, 2020, 08:18:34 PM
Last 10 teams newly created:
72 Tennessee
19 Army
98 Arizona 
94 Utah
85 Air Force
87 LSU
82 Arkansas
96 Ohio St
96 Tennessee
91 East Carolina
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on June 14, 2020, 10:25:15 PM
I think I've asked you this before, but whats the QB card situation for 94 Nebraska?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 15, 2020, 12:39:20 AM
I had intended to just provide Berringer, due to attempts and Frazier's limited passing stats being so poor, but I went ahead and included Frazier, too.  

I understand what a big deal it was, what he did in the OB.  Despite his bad passing stats, you could recreate that - it's takes no time at all to include another QB card.  

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 15, 2020, 12:41:28 AM
I made my first bad screw-up, sending an order to the wrong place.  
Ugh.  

So someone got 16 teams they didn't order (for free) and another gets to wait 5 extra days for their order.  I knew this was inevitable on a long-enough timeline, but it still stinks.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
pep talk with the shipping department
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 15, 2020, 12:13:35 PM
It's a unique situation - 2 orders so large, I've been sending them in portions.  Just sent the wrong portion to the wrong patient customer. 

I need to put a cap on how many teams can be in any one, individual order.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 15, 2020, 03:00:03 PM
It's a unique situation - 2 orders so large, I've been sending them in portions.  Just sent the wrong portion to the wrong patient customer. 

I need to put a cap on how many teams can be in any one, individual order.
Art of manipulation:  contact free guy offer him two teams and cover shipping to send to screwed dude.  

People are amazingly honest if given the chance. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 15, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
Art of manipulation:  contact free guy offer him two teams and cover shipping to send to screwed dude. 

People are amazingly honest if given the chance.
I did, he's not going to be home until the fall.  It's fine.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 15, 2020, 04:26:03 PM
In creating '76 Georgia, I learned that Ray Goff had a great season as an option QB.  Had no idea.
To me, he's been Ray GOOF, the UGA HC in the mid-90s that was Spurrier's bitch.


Also, '75 UCLA was coached by Dick Vermeil, using the option.  Isn't that incredible?  The same guy using the option at UCLA wound up coaching the 'Greatest Show on Turf' for the Rams in the Super Bowl 25 years later.  


Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 18, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
A lot of recent orders include 1977 Washington.

4-loss team who won the Pac-10 and beat highly-ranked Michigan in the Rose Bowl.  Led by Warren Moon.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on June 18, 2020, 08:14:14 PM
Ray Goff's wardrobe would make PC blush.  Actually maybe it is inspiring. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Did anybody know how great Jordan Lynch's predecessor at NIU was?  I had no idea!


Chandler Harish
237-384 (61.7%)
3,216 yars
28 TD
6 INT
153.0 Rating
+
194 carries
1,379 yards
11 TD

That's crazy.  I had never heard of him before creating the '11 Huskies.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on June 30, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
system QB, obviously
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 04, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Just making 2010 Stanford now, and I've previously created 2011 Stanford.

Andrew Luck's QB card is exactly the same both years, as are the Cardinal's sacks rating.  A team having the same sack rating has happened a few times, but the same QB having the same comp% and Int% in consecutive seasons hasn't happened that I recall.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 03:10:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uajvzB6.jpg)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 09:52:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/F4z5GNg.jpg)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2020, 11:21:42 PM
Suh and Crick were good

O' Hanlon, not so much

HUSKER POWER

in the trenches
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 13, 2020, 01:02:54 AM
This is the 16th different Husker team I've created.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
might as well make em all - 1962-current

crazy Husker fans
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2020, 02:53:14 AM
Some noteworthy teams I hadn't made until very recently:
1998 UCLA
2006 Michigan
2006 Ohio State


The Game in '06 lived up to its billing, that's for sure.  

I know Cade McNown was a bust in the NFL, but his 1998 for the Bruins was genuinely great.  That game vs Miami was another epic shootout.

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2020, 10:22:09 PM
I was able to create 1947 Notre Dame.  Took a lot of digging and video watching.  

I think I'm going to make a poll both here and in the facebook group for the game of most-wanted pre-1966 teams.  1962 Navy is a sonofabitch.  

I'm thinking teams like 58 LSU, 59 Syracuse, 55/56 OU, 61 Bama, 60 Ole Miss, 30 ND, 49 ND/Michigan will get the most votes.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2020, 10:47:07 PM
62 or 63 UNL?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 16, 2020, 01:14:14 AM
2006 Texas has a unique feature - the Horns held opponents to only 2.3 yards per rush, but allowed 7.5 per pass attempt.  
So in Whoa Nellie, they've got the best run defense rating (-4) and the worst pass defense rating (X).
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on July 16, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
twelving

cause the Big 12 was passing
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 02, 2020, 12:12:30 AM
WOW!
I just created 1973 Alabama for an order and their offense is incredible!  
1973 was a special year, as the top 6 teams going into the bowls were all undefeated helmets (Penn St was probably fringe back then, but I digress).  

When I notice a certain team having a great offense (especially a run-heavy one), I tend to compare it to 1971 Oklahoma.  The Sooners squad that just fell short in one of the games of the century - it averaged 12.8 yards per pass attempt and 6.6 per rush.  These are both insanely high - the 12.8 is among the highest ever (yeah, they rarely passed, but it paid off!) and the 6.6 is top-5 all time (that I've found).  

And the '73 Tide?
13.5 yards per pass attempt
6.1 yards per rush

They also had a great defense, as all the top teams did back then.  It's truly incredible that ND was able to beat them 24-23 in the Sugar Bowl that year.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 27, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
I thought this worth a share:  of the 54 teams listed in the next 4 orders I'm making, I don't have to create any of them.  It's fantastic!  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 15, 2020, 09:21:14 PM
I failed to mention it here, but our 1-year anniversary of being a thing was 9/13.  So that's cool.  

We've got a sale this week to celebrate. 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Kris60 on September 15, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
Very cool. That’s great.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on September 15, 2020, 10:24:58 PM
noticed that on facebook

time flies during a global pandemic
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 18, 2020, 02:44:31 PM
Not sure if I've mentioned this, but UNC has a surprisingly thorough football archive.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 11, 2020, 10:04:06 PM
So a friend of mine with time on his hands was able to go through and count up how many of each team was sold during our first year of business.  He offered and wanted to do it and enjoyed doing it, so I don't feel so guilty.

Anyway, this is something I'm teasing on the FB page and thought it would interest many of you.  
Before I post them, does anyone want to make a guess on the top 10 teams ordered this past year?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
guessing helmets

history

but, not Nebraska
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: Kris60 on October 11, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
In no particular order 

2005 Texas
2014 Ohio St
2016 Clemson
1977 Notre Dame 
1995 Nebraska 
2012 Alabama 
1971 Nebraska 
1974 Oklahoma 
2004 USC
2011 Auburn 
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 11, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
In no particular order

2005 Texas - #10
2014 Ohio St - no OSU teams are in the top 25
2016 Clemson
1977 Notre Dame #19
1995 Nebraska #2
2012 Alabama
1971 Nebraska #9
1974 Oklahoma no OU teams are in the top 25
2004 USC #17
2011 Auburn I assume you meant 2010 - #18
Very good!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 11, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
very good
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 11, 2020, 10:50:01 PM
guessing helmets

history

but, not Nebraska
While the list of most individual teams ordered is pretty diverse, my friend also sorted which programs have the most team seasons ordered, and THAT list is all helmet/king/blue bloods.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 14, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Top 25 Most-Ordered Teams in our first year, #21-25:
21. '77 Texas
22. '79 Alabama
23. '09 Alabama
24. '84 BYU
25. '83 Nebraska
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 14, 2020, 03:42:08 PM
83 nebraska

the scoring explosion of the triplets

Turner Gill, Irving "the flyer" Fryer, & Michael "Heisman" Rozier

fun team
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 15, 2020, 12:20:03 AM
Top 25 Most-Ordered Teams in our first year, #16-20:
16. '82 SMU
17. '04 USC
18. '10 Auburn
19. '77 Notre Dame
20. '88 Oklahoma State
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 15, 2020, 12:48:01 AM
Wow, would not have guessed SMU.   I'm thinking now the average age of your buyer is 40+.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
the pony express

so, as usual, folks thinking offense

more 83 Husker than 84 Husker
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 17, 2020, 02:58:54 PM
Top 25 Most-Ordered Teams in our first year, #11-15:
11. '94 Penn State
12. '01 Miami
13. '88 Notre Dame
14. '83 Auburn
15. '90 Colorado
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 20, 2020, 01:39:26 AM
I just ordered a 10 pack.  :)  winter is coming!

I suspect most of the ones in this order are in your top 25.

I do need to order a couple of hapless teams.  I'm thinking late 80s KU/KSU, maybe Mizzou or a Denny Green Northwestern team.

I see you have fancy game pads now.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 20, 2020, 08:44:22 AM
early 80's Buffaloes?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on October 20, 2020, 10:47:37 AM
I think the Paul Wulff wazzu team of infamy will be one.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 20, 2020, 05:52:52 PM
We had someone order the B10 for 1979.  Northwestern started it's epic losing streak that season, I believe, or it was the first full winless season, something like that.

I could not find any jersey numbers but the QB's, and I tried like hell.  To this day, it's the only team like that.  No video to pour over, no obscure documents to discover...nothing.  

Well...I say that, and I've failed so far at creating the top 10 Miami-OH team from 1974.  There isn't jack shit on them.  All that being said, I guess athletic departments are mostly opened back up, so they may be able to help me.  Over the summer, they'd still reply, but couldn't access what was needed.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2020, 12:12:03 AM
Year 1 - Top 25 Most Popular Teams Ordered, #6-10:
6. '84 Boston College
7. '08 Florida
8. '71 Nebraska
9. '76 Pitt
10. '05 Texas
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
08 Florida - the Tebow team
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
'84 BC is sort of the 'one of these teams is not like the others' among the top 10.  Sales for the Flutie flakes have been strong since we started.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2020, 04:01:06 PM
08 Florida - the Tebow team
The Percy Harvin team.
The Brandon Spikes team.
The Aaron Hernandez team.
The Joe Haden team.
The Janoris Jenkins team.
The Brandon James team. 
The Pouncey twins team.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 27, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
Top 5 sellers in Year 1 of Whoa Nellie College Football:
1. 2018 Clemson
2. 1995 Nebraska
3. 2019 LSU
4. 1997 Michigan
5. 1980 Georgia

Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 29, 2020, 03:19:20 AM
Just created 2007 Boston College with Matt Ryan.  654 pass attempts!

To compare that to other big-passing teams from the past:
Danny Wuerffel attempted 360 passes in his 1996 Heisman season
Joe Burrow's historic, cartoon season involved 527 passes
Jim McMahon at BYU's apex in 1980 attempted 445 passes
FSU's 50 ppg offense with Heisman winner Jameis Winston involved 384 attempts


I realize Ryan was an uncommon talent for a program like BC to have.  I understand they passed a lot, and that made sense.  But that's a lot of pass attempts, lol.  

Just interesting.  They didn't stink, they weren't playing catch-up all the time (11-3 record).  
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Post by: ELA on October 29, 2020, 04:30:38 PM
Just created 2007 Boston College with Matt Ryan.  654 pass attempts!
MSU's first year under Dantonio, we played them in the Champs Sports Bowl.  They were ranked like #11, and we needed a win in our finale to get into a bowl.  It was a pretty good game.  BC always got underslotted in bowls back then.  Now I don't even think slotting exists.

Had Newton stayed out longer, we could have had a Matt Ryan-Brian Hoyer rematch in the NFL 13 years later.  Never would have bet on that.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2020, 09:10:14 PM
I caught what you might call my white whale today.  I emailed someone in Navy's athletic dept and they responded with stats and roster for the '63 Middies.
'63 Navy is the most-requested team I didn't yet offer.  So good news for all!  Ready to be launched and she's a beaut!

(https://i.imgur.com/kxjpKcy.jpg)
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2020, 09:42:39 PM
Someone REALLY likes Iowa...
(https://i.imgur.com/KAZstpM.jpg)
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Post by: FearlessF on December 18, 2020, 11:09:28 AM
Who doesn't???
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4mLbX40.jpg)
Anyone have a guess?
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on December 18, 2020, 07:00:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4mLbX40.jpg)
Anyone have a guess?
I texted .my iowa alum friend.  She said that was a newspaper on campus during War.  Not sure that's a direct answer.   
Sounds like a lakeside motel.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2020, 07:35:49 PM
She's not wrong.  A team rented out Iowa's facilities during the war and played some football as well...
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2021, 07:12:33 PM
1943 Iowa Pre-Flight!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
I never thought I'd see a Florida card with Xs at the bottom....
(https://i.imgur.com/YeGWfYG.jpg)
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Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
I'd blame Mullen
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2021, 11:43:23 AM
He's blamed the defensive backs coaches and fired them....we had 2?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2021, 11:49:31 AM
safeties coach and corners/nickle coach
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2021, 12:00:59 PM
I was genuinely surprised that this was the worst defense for Florida, ever - even before the Cotton Bowl.  404 ypg allowed is bad, but it's middle-of-the-road bad.  All of Florida's "terrible" defenses from my lifetime allowed like 350-360 ypg.  So this year's was BAD.  
I'm not sure why you'd keep Grantham around.  
Go out and get someone younger with results....who's behind Marshall's defense this year?  SDST has had a great defense the past 5 years, grab that guy.  Snag someone from Georgia or Clemson's staff.   Shit.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Diaco and Pelini are available
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2021, 10:47:23 PM
Amazing discovery in researching a team to create:  1983 East Carolina
What's the big deal about the '83 Pirates? 
They went 8-3 and finished ranked, so that's good.  Their RB was Earnest Byner.  But looking at who they lost to:
@ #7 FSU 47-46
@ #6 Florida 24-17
@ #5 Miami 12-7
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A - it's just cool that the team's only losses were to Florida's big 3.
B - these were the only ranked teams ECU played, and their only losses
C - look at the scores......1 point, 7 points, 5 points........DAMN!
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I just found it noteworthy.  So please, note the worth.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 04, 2021, 05:44:34 PM
Excuse me while I nerd out, but I just sold my first 1943 Iowa Pre-Flight team set!!!!!  It's awesome!!!
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2021, 11:28:46 PM
This past year's Northwestern is a rare team with an elite pass D and awful run D.
Hell, they almost allowed as many yards per rush (4.5) as yards per pass attempt (5.2).  That's pretty nuts.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 03, 2021, 02:16:29 PM
Customer quote:
Keep up the great work. Your game is that is the most fun game sports game I have ever played keep up the terrific work.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 03, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
Where are people playing Whoa Nellie College Football???  Well, our last 10 orders were from:
Louisville, KY
Stockton, CA
Rochester, NY
Orlando, FL
Chicago, IL
Norfolk, VA
Milwaukee, WI
Springfield, MA
Augusta, GA
Kansas City, MO
We've also filled orders from Canada and the UK!!


Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2021, 09:50:38 PM
Halftime of 45 Army vs 01 Miami
Black Knights up 17-7
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Mr. Outside, Glenn Davis, rips off 2 long runs as the Cadets punch it in from a yard out, up 7-0.  Took them 4 minutes and they look unstoppable.
Miami seems hellbent on running the ball - Portis largely being stymied, but McGehee finding success.  
Dorsey is only 3 of 8 passing so far, with no big gainers.
After holding Army to a FG, the Canes make some headway and Dorsey hits Shockey for a 12-yard TD.
The relief was short-lived, however, as Mr. Inside, Doc Blanchard, took the ensuing kickoff 98 yards for a TD.
The half ended with a missed 42- yard FG from Army.
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Army attempted and completed 1 pass.
Davis has 8 carries for 84 yds and the TD
Blanchard 9 carries for 40 yards
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Portis 14 car for 36 yds
McGehee 7 car for 43 yds
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: ELA on May 24, 2021, 12:19:31 PM
Halftime of 45 Army vs 01 Miami
Cadets up 17-7
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FIFY
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 09, 2021, 03:17:51 PM
Did anyone know Charlie Ward was FSU's full-time punter in his FR year, 1989?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: MarqHusker on July 09, 2021, 05:31:40 PM
How did I not know this?  I was at the 90 Fiesta Bowl.  Perhaps I noticed a black punter which isn't too common, with due respect to Roby, Randall, etc.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2021, 02:01:09 AM
Well looking at the video, I don't think FSU punted in the first half of that game.  I'll keep looking.
Ha!
Early after the half, FSU punts and some guy named Wimberly punted, but they put up Charlie Ward's graphic.  Wimberly was hurt during the regular season, but i guess he was okay for the bowl.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2021, 12:35:01 AM
Forgot to update the 2nd half:
A lot of punts in the 2nd half.
Dorsey's bad game worsened with an INT and immediate 30 yard Glenn Davis TD run.
The Canes kicked a couple of FGs in the 4th quarter, but Dorsey couldn't get on track at all.


Final: 1945 Army 31 - 2001 Miami 13

Player of the Game: Army HB Glenn Davis: 15 carries for 141 yards and 3 TD. He also had 70 yards on 4 punt returns.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2021, 04:44:02 PM
Someone's wanting to order 1938 TCU and I'm watching video of one of their games...2 things stand out to me
1 - on FGs and XPs, the kicker and/or the holder would just set his leather helmet on the ground nearby
and
2 - all of the backups on the sidelines are sitting down or laying on their stomachs.  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: utee94 on July 18, 2021, 10:25:48 AM
Sort of reminds me of some of those old NFL videos where guys were smoking in the locker room and sidelines.  The game was a lot different back then.

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Post by: FearlessF on July 18, 2021, 09:17:47 PM
for the better
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 25, 2021, 02:49:43 AM
2 things:

a - it makes me sad that when I look up video of basically EVERY recent team's offense, it's the same shotgun read-option thing....who do we blame for this homogeny?  Urban Meyer?  Texas high schools?  There's nothing wrong with the offense, but didn't college offenses used to have SOME variety???
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b - I'm knee-deep in a big order of all FCS teams, and I've noticed that their school athletic websites are different (and worse) than FBS schools' websites.  I wonder if it's a cost difference and it's so universal that it must not be a school-by- school thing but something larger.

Any web-savvy people have an idea about that?  Why would FCS teams have a different across-the-board website design than FBS and what might the cost difference be?  
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2021, 12:45:00 AM
Someone ordered a ton of 1993 teams, and I'm creating Florida from that year. 
It's the year Wuerffel and Terry Dean basically split time and had nearly-identical numbers.  Most of you will remember him as the guy who Spurrier benched after a 4 INT game the following season, while being a Heisman front-runner.

Perusing the UF Media Guide for '94, it says Wuerffel's 22 TD passes was an all-time record for a FR passer.


Can you believe that?  I guess it's going on 30 years ago (wow!), but still.  The record is nearly double that (J.Winston w/ 40 for FSU) now.

Of course, Florida was still running a 4-4 defense back then because no one in the SEC threw the ball with any ability or frequency.  But that would all soon change....
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Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
Archaeologists Have Unearthed a 4,000-Year-Old Board Game. Now They Just Have to Figure Out the Rules

Perhaps Whoa Nellie could help?

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/archaeologists-discover-4000-year-old-board-game-2060571 (https://news.artnet.com/art-world/archaeologists-discover-4000-year-old-board-game-2060571)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 22, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
Looks like Cataan...
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 22, 2022, 04:44:50 PM
Had to create 1970 ND for an order.
Created 1989 Florida for myself.
Need to research 1975 Cal for a potential order.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 05, 2022, 09:23:24 PM
Kudos to the Minnesota athletic dept getting back to me.


Iowa's still sucks.
Title: Re: College Football Board game update
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
Someone's wanting to order 1938 TCU and I'm watching video of one of their games...2 things stand out to me
1 - on FGs and XPs, the kicker and/or the holder would just set his leather helmet on the ground nearby
and
2 - all of the backups on the sidelines are sitting down or laying on their stomachs. 
THIS WEEK IN HUSKER HISTORY
The week of Feb. 5-11, looking back in five-year intervals

1912: Coach Jumbo Stiehm welcomes new rules for 1912 that create end zones for the first time.

1922: A university committee condemns the actions of Clarence Swanson and John Pucelik, two seniors who were found to have participated in a professional game in Sioux City, Iowa, after the close of the 1921 season. Both said they played in the game without pay. Swanson is among the Husker players in the College Football Hall of Fame.

1927: More than 30 players report as spring practice gets an early start.