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Topic: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State

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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #266 on: January 12, 2021, 01:01:49 PM »
Hilliard,Browning even Mitchell or Gant could have replaced Borland - all faster.Hell grab the back up WRs and spy Smith if you had too,no creativity or problem solving from Coombs
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #267 on: January 12, 2021, 02:05:40 PM »
could have had a better plan for the Hypesman winner

a few double teams might have helped
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #268 on: January 12, 2021, 02:11:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 12, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
The athleticism of OSU"s LBs was exposed.  I'm sure they're great guys and hard workers, but not elite athletes.  It's as simple as that. 
I expect Werner, who had a decent game, to be drafted based purely on his athleticism which is through the roof.  Super fast. Super physical freak.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report--lb-pete-werner



Borland is just a great tackler. That’s why he had more tackles than anyone on either tram, doubled.
Hilliard and Browning would start at 95% of FBS schools- because of athleticism.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/baron-browning/uPpSp2BTNa

it was not the LBs who were exposed.  Listen to what Najee said. 
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #269 on: January 12, 2021, 02:15:02 PM »
Quote from: TresselownsUM on January 12, 2021, 12:04:29 PM
I’m not sure OSU is a top 4 next year, the defense was clearly not a strength , they need help everywhere in back 7. D line will be ok I think, but I don’t see a dominating force and offense loses fields, sermon, olave, Davis , there’s no game changer at RB unless a young kid steps up. TE should be good, WRs look good, but who’s QB and what’s offense look like? That’s a lot of questions to be a top 4 team.
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on January 12, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
Lot of returning talent, lot of stud recruits. Same as Clemson and Bama

i won't disagree (no one will) but talent alone won't do it. i'm not sure bama is top 4 next year. is the talent there? sure, arguably better than anywhere else regardless of age/experience. but it still takes molding that talent together into a unit to really be effective. and bama loses a ridiculous amount of talent on offense especially.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #270 on: January 12, 2021, 02:17:45 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on January 12, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
Kerry Coombs needs to be reassigned or released.He kept putting Borland in situations he had no business being in.Jones had too much time and Tuf wasn't hanging with any of those guys.Put in back ups with speed.
Thankfully Borland was never asked to.  Not once I don’t believe. 
 OSU was in zone most of the night- and even when they weren’t on the corners, the LB in the middle was.   

Werener and Hilliard are the only LBs asked to cover, at times.  See Hilliard interception v NW in Big Championship game as example. 

Sark took advantage of OSUs mediocre secondary, soft zones, and lack of pass rush. He intentionally worked around OSUs defensive strength- LBs
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #271 on: January 12, 2021, 02:19:01 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 02:05:40 PM
could have had a better plan for the Hypesman winner

a few double teams might have helped
Bama had talent advantage no doubt,Jones just had to deal to the playmaker of the moment.Like to see some improvisation,try alternating or changing the scheme just enough to mess with their timing
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #272 on: January 12, 2021, 02:29:57 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on January 12, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
Sark took advantage of OSUs mediocre secondary, soft zones, and lack of pass rush. He intentionally worked around OSUs defensive strength- LBs
The LBs got killed underneath because of speed,this was discussed adnauseam on Buckeye Boards.The only place Ohio State stood out defensively this year was the D-Line.Warner/Borland are scheme guys and work well until they go up in weight class.With a full D-Line might have helped but Bama simply exposed it.Arnette/Fuller/Okuda and Riep were lost from last year.There was speed on the bench that could have been implimented to at least blitz and upset a rythmm.You can teach mechanics/technique/Scheme you can't teach speed.Borland can plug a hole but not cover in space
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #273 on: January 12, 2021, 02:40:10 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on January 12, 2021, 02:29:57 PM
The LBs got killed underneath because of speed,this was discussed adnauseam on Buckeye Boards.The only place Ohio State stood out defensively this year was the D-Line.Warner/Borland are scheme guys and work well until they go up in weight class.With a full D-Line might have helped but Bama simply exposed it.There was speed on the bench that could have been implimented.You can teach mechanics/technique/Scheme you can't teach speed.Borland can plug a hole but not cover in space
Couldn’t disagree more.  They got killed on the flanks, the edges.  Not underneath. Borland was never assigned to cover anyone.  he was asked, on a couple of plays at most ( rarely done this season with him by the way) to drop into a deep zone.  15 yards or more from LOS. 

that scheme was easy to pick on for an elite talent like Smith, and an accurate QB like Jones with all night to throw- due to virtually No pass rush.

Sark just used motion to easily manipulate OSU , to create huge open spaces.  Easy to hit too- no pass rush.  With only a few exceptions the damage was done on the edges- not in the middle. I think your letting that one deep middle pass to Smith, which was against a very soft zone with Borland chasing late, to over think it.

Also- see Werners Draft analysis I posted up thread.  With the exception of Borland- speed at LB is not a problem at OSU. Far from it. But Borland is asked to tackle runners.  He had 14 tackles last night. Next closest guy on either team was half that. 
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #274 on: January 12, 2021, 02:55:56 PM »
My point was Coombs did little in the way of imagination,the DBs had their hands full and Borland couldn't cover you,me,their RBs or WRs.I could also find at least 14 times on film he was huffing/puffing behind someone.Stats don't tell the whole story.I'm not blaming him just making an observation he should have been switched out.Early in the year vs Penn St/Rutgers/Indiana Borland got blown up plenty.And in those huge open spaces you mentioned need speed to close the gap.Coombs should have went to the bull pen.His alignment/assignments weren't working
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #275 on: January 12, 2021, 03:01:53 PM »
The problem is that the linebackers were too athletic and better than their defensive backs which is why they were playing four linebackers a lot despite this being mostly insane.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #276 on: January 12, 2021, 03:22:34 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on January 12, 2021, 02:55:56 PM
My point was Coombs did little in the way of imagination,the DBs had their hands full and Borland couldn't cover you,me,their RBs or WRs.I'm not blaming him just making an observation he should have been switched out.Early in the year vs Penn St/Rutgers/Indiana Borland got blown up plenty.
Well yes- the defensive scheme was grasping at straws for sure. 

and Borland likely won’t make it to/in next level because of speed- but at college level he makes the right reads, finds the ball and makes tackles - especially in normal run heavy big ten- as good as anyone. 

OSU thought they could do the same to Bama that they did to Clemson- stop the run and make them somewhat one dimensional.  They did “ limit” Harris to 79 yards on 22 carries (3.6 per).
Problem is- Bama can kick your ass no matter what poison you pick.  They didn’t need to run.  Hell- they were gaining chunks on simple swing passes. Once the corners started sneaking up on those- they just ran slants.  When OSU went to man coverage- they just put Smith in motion/counter motion to free him up. 
They thought they could slow down the run, keep the passes in front of them and make Bama work down the field.  At first it was effective- Bama was taking 12-16 Plays.  But once Sark saw what the defense was doing- AND the lack of pass rush, he easily used his superior athletes to pick it apart.  Tough climb for Coombs- or any DC.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #277 on: January 12, 2021, 03:24:00 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 12, 2021, 03:01:53 PM
The problem is that the linebackers were too athletic and better than their defensive backs which is why they were playing four linebackers a lot despite this being mostly insane.
My point stands - Coombs is out of his element,like when Warriner moved up to OC .It didn't work but like Coombs an excellent position coach
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #278 on: January 12, 2021, 03:42:43 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 12, 2021, 03:01:53 PM
The problem is that the linebackers were too athletic and better than their defensive backs which is why they were playing four linebackers a lot despite this being mostly insane.
Amen.  And if you think about it- to even have a chance to slow down that Bama offense, you would need 3/4 lockdown corners, and a dynamite pass rush, plus 2-3 NFL caliber LBs.  
what non NFL team has that?  Hell, how many NFL teams have that?
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #279 on: January 12, 2021, 03:49:57 PM »
Honestly- great offenses just beat great defenses today in the college game. Period. 

Not saying to just forget about defense, you still need some semblance of defense. My point is a great offense in college will always beat a great defense. The game has completely changed. 

Not really disappointed in OSU defense. There is no college defense around that can slow down that Bama O. They have a bunch of guys who will get drafted on OL, they have the best RB prospect in the NFL draft and a guy who I think is going to be a stud in the pros in Najee and oh yeah they also have maybe the best college WR I’ve ever seen in DeVonta Smith. 

There just isn’t a defense in college that was going to stop them. I’m more surprised by OSU offense not keeping pace. Losing Sermon was definitely a huge blow- he had come on and was on a string of big-time performances in big games. I’m a little shocked OSU didn’t get into the high 30’s, low 40s. Totally expected them too. My gut tells me Fields was still banged up from that wicked shot he took against Clemson.
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