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Topic: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State

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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #280 on: January 12, 2021, 03:56:39 PM »
My point stands - Coombs is out of his element,like when Warriner moved up to OC .It didn't work but like Coombs an excellent position coach
Well you are entitled to your opinion. 

let me ask you this: what defense in CFB could even remotely contain Bama’s offense this year?
Could Bama’s? Anyone’s?

going into that game, OSU/Bama were not far apart on points per game allowed- which is the single most important stat IMHO.

Does Coombs get any credit for holding Clemson in check?  The “ most can’t miss QB” of the last 20 years? All new starters in the secondary( including Wade at his new position) with no spring ball, no Fall camp to speak of, no tune up games before the conference schedule- did he achieve any improvement?
How many lockdown corners does Bama have?

Sometimes, when you are putting 2-3 guys in the NFL top rounds multiple years in a row- it catches up to you.  We have a fresh batch in waiting and more coming in. 

it is so easy to criticize a coach after your team gets waxed.  But the #2 team in the land will be ok.  Remember- Bama lost the NC game, the last time they played it- by the same margin. 

the crowd chanted @ dynasty is over, Saban is Done, Clemson is king”.  😂😂😂
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #281 on: January 12, 2021, 03:58:37 PM »
Honestly- great offenses just beat great defenses today in the college game. Period.

Not saying to just forget about defense, you still need some semblance of defense. My point is a great offense in college will always beat a great defense. The game has completely changed.

Not really disappointed in OSU defense. There is no college defense around that can slow down that Bama O. They have a bunch of guys who will get drafted on OL, they have the best RB prospect in the NFL draft and a guy who I think is going to be a stud in the pros in Najee and oh yeah they also have maybe the best college WR I’ve ever seen in DeVonta Smith.

There just isn’t a defense in college that was going to stop them. I’m more surprised by OSU offense not keeping pace. Losing Sermon was definitely a huge blow- he had come on and was on a string of big-time performances in big games. I’m a little shocked OSU didn’t get into the high 30’s, low 40s. Totally expected them too. My gut tells me Fields was still banged up from that wicked shot he took against Clemson.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #282 on: January 12, 2021, 04:00:02 PM »
The problem is that the linebackers were too athletic and better than their defensive backs which is why they were playing four linebackers a lot despite this being mostly insane.
Their DBs are much faster,Brown/Banks/Proctor,Wade,why was Borland put in a situation to cover Smith on that 43 yd TD right before the half?Yet Coombs didn't adjust it in the 2nd half,still trotted out 4 LBs.Chizik pointed  this out as well in the coaches room
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #283 on: January 12, 2021, 04:09:40 PM »
I will add- 2 TD passes that didn’t quite happen in Q4 (both just barely ruled out of bounds)

But give Bama credit here too- they had to be concerned or at least aware of the special skill Sermon brought to the table: the vision and cutback lanes.  Clemson saw him do it to NW- one of the nations top run defenses, and still they couldn’t stop it.  Plus his repeated chunk gains on swings, screens and hot reads. That all went away when he left. 

Teague is a gasher , straight ahead. He did fairly well too- more YPC than Najee in fact. But he is no pass catching threat and No cutback 
threat.  That means the backside of the play does not have to even worry about gap discipline.  Makes it easier for the defensive line to just charge- run or pass.  Fields had people in his face all night and- little to no hot reads to threaten with.  

With Sermon- Bama still wins for sure but I think the game looks different. 
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #284 on: January 12, 2021, 04:11:04 PM »
 I’m a little shocked OSU didn’t get into the high 30’s, low 40s. Totally expected them too. My gut tells me Fields was still banged up from that wicked shot he took against Clemson.
Fields didn't make excuses,he has the tools and throws a beautiful deep ball.That was another thing being banged up hamstrung the game plan,hopefully he can correct his reads on secondary recievers moving forward.Hope he stays.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #285 on: January 12, 2021, 04:12:07 PM »
Their DBs are much faster,Brown/Banks/Proctor,Wade,why was Borland put in a situation to cover Smith on that 43 yd TD right before the half?Yet Coombs didn't adjust it in the 2nd half,still trotted out 4 LBs.Chizik pointed  this out as well in the coaches room
True.  Not much in the way of adjustments. And the few he did make- Sark just ate it up 
notice late in Q3 and Q4- Coombs sent more pressure by sending LBs and twisting DLs?  Sark starts with screens. Killed OSU fast.  
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #286 on: January 12, 2021, 04:12:34 PM »
Their DBs are much faster,Brown/Banks/Proctor,Wade,why was Borland put in a situation to cover Smith on that 43 yd TD right before the half?Yet Coombs didn't adjust it in the 2nd half,still trotted out 4 LBs.Chizik pointed  this out as well in the coaches room
couple things...
1 -  that was a great call and setup by sark/bama. they ran that out of same formation they'd been using for wr screens in the flat. they had a good bit of success with those, and once the db's saw it enough they'd start to key on those plays and focus on short/flat areas. this leave the middle wide open.
2 -  the lb wasn't really at fault. looked like the safety was supposed to pick up any deep middle and bracket it, but he was way too deep. cb's had the flats, the mlb has to get deep and protect the middle from underneath while the safety brackets from over top. the mlb was never going to keep up with any wr but the safety was supposed to be there and force the route back down or cover if going over top, and he was nowhere to be seen.

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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #287 on: January 12, 2021, 04:14:02 PM »
Fields didn't make excuses,he has the tools and throws a beautiful deep ball.That was another thing being banged up hamstrung the game plan,hopefully he can correct his reads on secondary recievers moving forward.Hope he stays.
Yeah, you notice how many deep balls he even tried?   Rarely had that kind of time.  
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #288 on: January 12, 2021, 04:14:19 PM »
With Sermon- Bama still wins for sure but I think the game looks different.
Much closer also with a healthy QB and 2 stalwart DLs that covided.Jones would have still got his but not the time he had last night
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #289 on: January 12, 2021, 04:15:42 PM »
couple things...
1 -  that was a great call and setup by sark/bama. they ran that out of same formation they'd been using for wr screens in the flat. they had a good bit of success with those, and once the db's saw it enough they'd start to key on those plays and focus on short/flat areas. this leave the middle wide open.
2 -  the lb wasn't really at fault. looked like the safety was supposed to pick up any deep middle and bracket it, but he was way too deep. cb's had the flats, the mlb has to get deep and protect the middle from underneath while the safety brackets from over top. the mlb was never going to keep up with any wr but the safety was supposed to be there and force the route back down or cover if going over top, and he was nowhere to be seen.
On that particular play, Bama ran both safeties off towards the boundary with other deep WRs. 
Brilliand play design!
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #290 on: January 12, 2021, 04:24:59 PM »

2 -  the lb wasn't really at fault. looked like the safety was supposed to pick up any deep middle and bracket it, but he was way too deep.
That was my point Coombs was making sandlot mistakes.If you have to - blitz an LB straight up the gut forcing the pocket.Don't drop them back 25 yrds to pick up track stars,specially one geared  more to fill holes.And the DB was much deeper and came over late but the 4 LBs didn't,won't and arent going to stop that
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #291 on: January 12, 2021, 04:30:19 PM »
if OSU's LBs aren't fast, who's 4 and 5 star recruits are faster?

maybe playing in the big ten, speed at LB isn't the most important tool?
Borland is an over-achiever muscle man.  So yeah, his weakness is coverage.  That's not damning or an insult of any kind.  That other LB, number 20, didn't stop anyone from falling forward.  He can fill a hole and has more wiggle than Borland, but isn't nearly physical enough.
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But above all of that, it's on the DC.  Those LBs looked bad on plays that were schemed poorly by the DC.  I do, however, have a problem with LBs who still do the ankle-tackle and let the RB fall forward on 3rd and 1.  I feel like #20 did that repeatedly.  And Borland out in space might as well be on skates.
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Again, not insulting them, and they're great against the rest of the country...just not Bama.
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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #292 on: January 12, 2021, 04:30:31 PM »
On that particular play, Bama ran both safeties off towards the boundary with other deep WRs.
Brilliand play design!
nah, osu was in nickle and had a saftey walked up on one of the slot guys. single high, man outside, zone under. 1 safety for center deep protect, outside dbs are man, lbs and other safety are zone under high safety. before play, the other safety is inching up to prevent the flat routes and give man look.

the mlb sees smitty running the seam and drops under him immediately. the safety over top is supposed to step up and bracket him but just keeps going deep and leave a huge whole. the outside db's have decent coverage.

starts about 5:25 mark. if you pause at about 5:58 mark, you can see the safety supposed to step up and take smitty from the lb. but he keeps dropping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRYEF_y_t_U

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Re: CFP NCG, #1 Bama vs #11 Ohio State
« Reply #293 on: January 12, 2021, 04:39:20 PM »
to add to that, they showed cover 1 man under look. if they had been the actual call, smitty is covered by nickle back and safety that walked up is on waddle. waddle runs a streak, while metchie (deep cross) and smitty (seam route) took their db's and the single high safety to center/right. waddle would be 1 on 1 with a safety on a streak with no help over top. waddle being hurt he might not have been able to get separation, but a healthy waddle and that was almost indefensible.

so if man to man, waddle would be primary target, zone under smitty is. just a genius setup play.

 

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