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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #336 on: December 30, 2020, 11:22:52 PM »
speaks volumes that Florida has pulled their heisman nominated quarterback
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #337 on: December 30, 2020, 11:27:40 PM »
I think I heard Sooner fans chanting, SEC, SEC, SEC
conference realignment starting sooner than we thought.

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #338 on: December 30, 2020, 11:28:31 PM »
conference realignment starting sooner than we thought.
Alabama is joining the Big12?
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #339 on: December 30, 2020, 11:51:30 PM »
we're in the bigxii se, right? got the o and d (or lack there of) to go with it.

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #340 on: December 31, 2020, 01:00:16 AM »
I think the game meant more to OU than it did to UF.  And UF was down some guys.  We know a bit about that.  The only other time we played the Gators DeMarco Murray was out with injury, incurred on a kick-coverage play in--IIRC--the Big 12 CCG.

But I'm really happy for the win.  We had lost 3 straight CFP semifinals against SEC teams.

A lot of media guys were saying that OU would have been a tough out in the CFP this year.  I don't know about that.  We're a lot better than we were when we suffered 4th-quarter collapses against ISU and KSU to start conference play.  And I think that had we won either of those games, we would have been in the CFP.  But we're still not there, IMO.

We still need the D to get better, and Rattler will be better, more mature, next year.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #341 on: December 31, 2020, 01:13:32 AM »
I think OU could beat Notre Dame and be very competitive against Ohio St

Not sure about Clemson or Bama
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #342 on: December 31, 2020, 01:34:22 AM »
I think the game meant more to OU than it did to UF.  And UF was down some guys.  We know a bit about that.  The only other time we played the Gators DeMarco Murray was out with injury, incurred on a kick-coverage play in--IIRC--the Big 12 CCG.

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Let me put it in a proper context for you.  Imagine your 08 Sooners facing Florida without:
WR Chaney
WR Iglesias
WR Johnson
WR Broyles
TE Gresham
DT McCoy
LB Lewis
CB Franks
S   Jackson
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Not in terms of talent, man-for-man, but those positions and that aggregate.  
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #343 on: December 31, 2020, 07:46:40 AM »
A trio of games to carry you into 2021

Armed Forced Bowl
12 pm, ESPN
Tulsa v. Mississippi State

Well, this game exists.  Tulsa is a pretty decent team, the runner up the AAC, and checks in at 33 on F+.  Mississippi State decided to play in a bowl game despite going 3-7 and checking in at 77.  It has been a rough year for Mike Leach and crew, and they are actually underdogs in this game.  You never know what you'll get with the air raid, though, and they may be able to sort out an efficient performance for this one.

Arizona Bowl
2 pm, CBSSN
San Jose St. v. Ball St.

Undefeated SJSU gets their chance at an Arizona Bowl National Championship against surprise MAC champs Ball St.  It's going to be an uphill battle for Ball State (72 v. 42) and they mostly have survived on forcing turnovers. SJSU has been a pretty efficient group with strong lines and QB Nick Starkel, who has been named the starter at TAMU and Arkansas before landing here.

Liberty Bowl
4 pm, ESPN
Army v. West Virginia

A late arranged matchup when Tennessee dropped out, we get a good defense in West Virginia against the always fun triple option of Army.  Decent enough on paper (WVU 40th on F+, Army is 55th).  Army struggles against good offensive teams, but that hasn't been West Virginia, so if the score stays low we could get a pretty good game here.

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #344 on: December 31, 2020, 08:33:24 AM »

Army v. West Virginia

A late arranged matchup when Tennessee dropped out, we get a good defense in West Virginia against the always fun triple option of Army.  Decent enough on paper (WVU 40th on F+, Army is 55th).  Army struggles against good offensive teams, but that hasn't been West Virginia, so if the score stays low we could get a pretty good game here.
I think this game will show why the triple option is a thing of the past in the Big 12

This offense is great if youre ahead but makes it difficult to have to come from behind especially late in the game

Not sure what covid has done to the Mountaineers but if they are healthy this should not be much of a contest
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #345 on: December 31, 2020, 08:48:20 AM »
I favored putting OU in the CFP over ND obviously.

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #346 on: December 31, 2020, 08:56:34 AM »
Winning that game was nice and good. It was weird to watch the defense play like garbage, which usually hasn’t happened, and then watch it suddenly decide to save the offense, which played more competently than it has. We are done with the year, and I’m glad it is over for many reasons.
I know the Badgers gave up a lot of yards, but almost 200 of them came on the first two drives, and on the very last drive, with all 2-3 string guys playing defense. In between all of that, the Badgers played pretty solid defense, getting stops when needed, and turnovers. Overall, I'll take it.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #347 on: December 31, 2020, 09:18:54 AM »
Pro move was breaking the Mayo Bowl trophy, so you don't have to dingy up the trophy case with that.

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #348 on: December 31, 2020, 09:23:34 AM »
I know the Badgers gave up a lot of yards, but almost 200 of them came on the first two drives, and on the very last drive, with all 2-3 string guys playing defense. In between all of that, the Badgers played pretty solid defense, getting stops when needed, and turnovers. Overall, I'll take it.
I mean, they came out and gave up 9 yards a play to go down 14-0 to a not good team, and after it was tied gave up 10 per play the first drive out of halftime, then 71 more yards.

Looking at the details, 12 passing plays of 15 or more yards, which is a ton. You had 330 yards on 13 big plays, 2.5 YPP the rest of the way. Points per drive was 1.86, which included the garbage time TD. 

It was a tough way to live and angst inducing, but I'll take it. 

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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #349 on: December 31, 2020, 09:35:39 AM »
I think this game will show why the triple option is a thing of the past in the Big 12

This offense is great if youre ahead but makes it difficult to have to come from behind especially late in the game

Not sure what covid has done to the Mountaineers but if they are healthy this should not be much of a contest
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Why is every damn option team game a referendum on the option? Like, it's a bowl, drawing much meaning from it is kinda silly.

It's especially silly in this bowl. First, this is not a good Army offense. Like, by the usual standards of any option offense, it's kinda dreadful. Second, WVU is not your normal Big 12 team in that it too is bad at offense and good at defense. Three, any time Army plays a P5 team, it should lose. Full stop. This is literally a team that can't recruit players bigger than a certain size. If WVU wins comfortably, nothing should be taken from it other than, this is how it was suppose to go. 

Do I think the option would have some trouble in the Big 12 with the pace, but I think that to a degree is overblown. Option teams are generally underdogs. And when underdogs fall behind by 14-21, they mostly lose. If you're up-tempo, maybe it wins you a game every year or two, and maybe you lose about as many because you can't sit on the ball. Shoot, Bill Snyder played option adjacent football for years, and it was mostly OK to sometimes good. This isn't to say that Oklahoma should start with it, but Kansas? Maybe.

(I mean, lots of offenses look bad all the time, but we're never like, "Look, that one team couldn't manage a high-tempo balanced spread, can't work in that conference")

 

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