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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2019, 08:09:25 PM »

The AP referred to MSU as #25 when Ohio State played them.

Honestly, I think ranking NOW is more important because, IMHO beating an unranked team that later became ranked is a lot more impressive to me than beating a ranked team that subsequently drops out.

CWSooner · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2019, 08:19:31 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 13, 2019, 08:09:25 PM

. . . Honestly, I think ranking NOW is more important because, IMHO beating an unranked team that later became ranked is a lot more impressive to me than beating a ranked team that subsequently drops out.

Yep. Beating preseason #1 on the first weekend of the season doesn't prove much when that team finishes 5-7.

OTOH, there is another side to the story. I'll quote from BCS computer "pollster" Richard Billingsley:

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Accumulating Points- My system is the only one I am aware of that uses an “accumulating” value system. It was designed this way to emphasize a team’s most recent game as the AP and Coaches do. As a result, a team only gets credit for playing an opponent ONE TIME. Whatever happens to that opponent from that point forward is “water under the bridge.” Some would argue that not going back and “re-calculating” the opponent strength as the season progresses, and therefore not allowing for a more up to date opponent rank, is a mistake. I disagree. In order to balance out this potential issue a lower rate of value is given to teams as opponents in September. To give you an example, playing a #1 team as an opponent in September may be worth 7 points, whereas playing a #1 team in November may be worth 17 points. Using my method also prevents teams from being penalized later in the season if an opponent loses a star player to injury and falters greatly after being highly ranked. The greatest example I could ever use to defend this philosophy came in 2007 in a scenario involving Oregon. After beating #4 USC and #5 Arizona State on successive weekends the Ducks rose to #3 in the Billingsley Report (#3 AP, #3 Coaches), and USC, even in a loss received a high value for playing Oregon. But, after losing QB Dennis Dixon to injury, Oregon fell to Arizona, UCLA and Oregon State. Every time Oregon lost, USC suffered in some computer rankings because Oregon’s won loss record became mediocre. I don’t agree with that methodology. My contention is that the Trojans played an Oregon team that was playing some of the best football in the nation during those games and was truly a #3 team. Southern Cal should not have to suffer because of an injury that happened to Oregon after the fact. In my rankings it did not matter. USC went on to finish #3 in the Billingsley Report, #3 in the AP, and #3 in the Coaches Poll. Each week a team accumulates or “earns points” based on the current week’s opponent and nothing else. If a team has a bye week, their rating does not change, with two exceptions. A special rule is in place (in the head to head section) that allows an undefeated team to ALWAYS be ranked ahead of every opponent they have beaten, and allows any team experiencing a bye week to remain ahead of a team they had just beaten before their bye week. https://enc.cfrc.com/archives/ISO_08.htm

But capturing that sort of thing takes more information than most AP Poll/Coaches Poll voters take into consideration.

Badger1969 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2019, 09:10:08 PM »

Okay I see that. Please do me a favor and do a search on AP ranking for Sep 29th which is when the polls came out for the first week of Oct. Not sure why I keep see a listing without MSU. Not that it's a big deal just not sure why there's a difference.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2019, 09:58:21 PM »

Quote from: Badger1969 on October 13, 2019, 09:10:08 PM

Okay I see that. Please do me a favor and do a search on AP ranking for Sep 29th which is when the polls came out for the first week of Oct. Not sure why I keep see a listing without MSU. Not that it's a big deal just not sure why there's a difference.

I looked it up, on the attached USA Today picture MSU is not listed as a ranked team.

If you look at the "Others Receiving Votes" group, MSU is first with 147 points. Look closer though and #25 aTm also has 147 points so aTm and MSU are tied for 25th place.

So tOSU has one AP ranked win if measured when played (#25 MSU on 10/5) and one if measured now (#21 Cincy).

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2019, 09:58:49 PM »

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Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2019, 12:00:03 PM »

1. Ohio State - Idle

2. Wisconsin - Making a strong case to be #1

3. Michigan - Defense looks good, offense is improving. Too many people overreacted to the Wisconsin game.

4. Penn State - Beat Iowa at night. I am really shocked they were able to overcome that atmosphere. I'm still not convinced they are a top 10 team, however.

5. Minnesota - This team is starting to believe. You can actually see their confidence now. I don't think they are a top 10 team just yet, but their improvement from game to game is probably the best in the B1G right now.

6. Michigan State - For as easy as the Minnesota and Penn State schedules have been, MSU has had a brutal stretch. Ohio State and Iowa back to back will make anyone look bad.

7. Iowa - I don't know where to put this team at the moment. The defense looks very good, the offense doesn't look like they have improved over last year's version.

8. Indiana - This team is good enough to win their next 3 games. They could be 7-2 when they visit Penn State in 4 weeks. With the rise of Minnesota and Indiana, Penn State's upcoming schedule looks MUCH more difficult than it did earlier in the season.

9. Nebraska - A combination of a tough schedule, injuries, and a depleted roster are really starting to effect this team. They have a bye week, and they need it. Indiana is their next opponent, and could very well hand Nebraska another loss.

10. Purdue - I'm still impressed with all of the young talent they have. When healthy, they may have the best wide receivers in the B1G. If they finish strong, despite all of the injuries, they could make some noise next season.

11. Northwestern - Idle, but the competitive game against Nebraska loses some luster.

12. Illinois - The rare case of a team moving UP even though they lost. That stretch of 25 unanswered points against Michigan was REALLY impressive.

13. Maryland - This is the worst coached team in the B1G. They have REALLY good players on both sides of the ball, and yet the coaching is so bad...

14. Rutgers - I'm actually feeling pity for them right now.

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2019, 12:57:04 PM »

1) Ohio State: until someone proves differently.
2) Wisconsin: damn, it feels good to be a Badger.
3) Penn State: tough win on the road against a good team.
4) Michigan: honestly, that line shouldn't make Big Blue too happy.
5) Iowa: tough two losses, but still better than everyone else.
6) Michigan State: better or worse than Minnesota? Hard to say--have lost badly to two teams that are way better than anyone Minnesota has played.
7) Minnesota: two solid wins in a row, still unbeaten, and still untested.
8) Nebraska: so maybe this isn't their bounce-back year?
9) Northwestern: feels about right based on the last two weeks.
10) Indiana: playing Rutgers cures what ails you. Could still creep up a bit.
11) Purdue: Maryland must really suck. What does that say about Syracuse?
12) Maryland: still better than Rutgers.
13) Illinois: one decent rally in a loss isn't enough.
14) Rutgers: still gross.

ELA · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2019, 02:44:29 PM »

OHIO STATE (1) - bye week
WISCONSIN (2) - holy cow, that defense
PENN STATE (3) - most impressive regular season win of the Franklin era?
MICHIGAN (4) - a road night game in Happy Valley being a must win is not a fun situation to be in
IOWA (5) - defense has surrendered 27 total points over the past 2 games and Iowa lost both, hits too close to home to me
MINNESOTA (7) - and yet the computers are split on whether they are better than an undefeated Appalachian State
MICHIGAN STATE (6) - the offensive coaches take the blame, but the players should be getting a lot more of it
INDIANA (8) - Penix keeps rolling, but what can we ever learn against Rutgers?
PURDUE (12) - #9 through #12 is a crapshoot, so I'll just go by how they looked this week
NORTHWESTERN (11) - bye week
NEBRASKA (10) - I didn't expect the massive step forward this season that some did, but I didn't think they'd be this bad
MARYLAND (9) - getting curb stomped by Purdue's second team < getting curb stomped by your CFB bound Gophers
ILLINOIS (13) - Brandon Peters probably never regains his job
RUTGERS (14)

MaximumSam · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2019, 06:58:27 PM »

SP+

1. OSU (1): Moved ahead of Alabama
2. Wisconsin (4)
3. PSU (6)
4. Michigan (13)
5. Minnesota (17)
6. Iowa (19)
7. Indiana (25)
8. Michigan St. (27)
9. Maryland (43)
10. Nebraska (44)
11. Purdue (51)
12. Northwestern (62)
13. Illinois (74)
14. Rutgers (97)

8 in the top 27. 3 in the top 6. Not bad.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2019, 06:55:29 AM »

1. Ohio State - Bye week
2. Wisconsin - Making a case for the top spot
3. Penn State - A win in Iowa City is never a bad thing
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4. Michigan - Did they take their foot off the gas or is this something worse?
5. Minnesota - Time to start giving the Gophers some love
6. Iowa - Lost 2 games and only gave up 27 points total between the 2 of them.
7. Michigan State - Got annihilated by Wis. Is the offense that bad or were they beat up after the previous week?
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8. Indiana - When your having issues, play Rutgers.

9. Nebraska - Losing the Minn is not terrible, but getting blown off the field is another matter
10. Purdue - Is Maryland the new Rutgers?
11. Northwestern - Bye week
12. Maryland - What happened to that unstoppable offense?

13. Illinois - The 2nd half performance maybe should move them higher on this list
14. Rutgers - Still wanting to give this football thing a shot, although not sure why

FearlessF · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2019, 11:08:09 AM »

1. OSU
2. Wisconsin
3. PSU
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4. Michigan
5. MSU
6. Iowa
7. Minnesota
8. Nebraska
9. Northwestern
10. Maryland
11. Indiana
12. Purdue
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13. Illinois
14. Rutger

iahawk15 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2019, 11:47:18 AM »

1) Ohio State (1)
2) Wisconsin (2)
3) Penn State (3)
4) Michigan (5)
5) Michigan State (4)
6) Iowa (6)
7) Minnesota (7)
8) Indiana (10)
9) Purdue (12)
10) Nebraska (9)
11) Maryland (8)
12) Northwestern (11)
13) Illinois (13)
14) Rutgers (14)

RestingB!tchFace · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2019, 02:09:47 PM »

1) Ohio State
2) Wisconsin
3) Penn State
4) Michigan
5) Iowa
6) Minnesota
7) Michigan State
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Nebraska
12) Maryland
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers

Tempted to move my Gophers up....but I'd need to see them move the ball against a formidable defense before I completely buy in. The one good sign that I've noticed over the last couple weeks is that....our passing attack had Illinois and Nebraska taking notice after Purdue. 21/22 for about 400 yards and four touchdowns will do that. With the emphasis on slowing down the passing game....the Gophers have had two straight games with over 300 yards rushing.

Having Rodney Smith And Shannon Brooks both back and healthy has been great. And the defense has gelled as well. Ten points allowed in the past two games.

But like I said.....both Iowa and Michigan have played and beaten better teams than the Gophers have played thus far. And their defenses are tested....and are truly top notch.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2019, 04:31:11 PM »

Ohio State - 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 - It is very close with #2.
Wisconsin - 2,2,2,2,2,4,3 - Impressive!
Penn State - 3,3,3,3,3,3,4 - Road wins in Kinnick are tough!
Michigan - 4,5,5,4,4,2,2 - It is still unclear to me exactly what happened in the ~20 minutes that Illinois dominated that game but give Michigan credit for dominating the other 40.
Iowa - 5,4,4,5,6,5,6 - If only they had just a little bit of offense.
Minnesota - 9,10,10,10,8,13,10 - Undefeated and they finally blew somebody out and got a decent win in the process.
Michigan State - 6,6,6,7,7,7,9 - Two blowout losses to the B1G's best teams.
Northwestern - 7,7,9,9,10,9,7 - off.
Purdue - 12,12,12,12,11,10,5 - They really needed that.
Indiana - 11,11,11,11,13,12,12 - Isn't playing Rutgers fun?
Nebraska - 8,9,8,6,9,6,8 - Ouch!
Maryland - 10,8,7,8,5,8,11 - Got flattened.
Illinois - 13,13,13,13,12,11,13 - For 20 minutes they completely dominated and outscored Michigan 25-0. Those other 40 minutes they looked like Illinois.
Rutgers - 14,14,14,14,14,14,14 - Still Rutgers.

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