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LetsGoPeay · « **Reply #28 on:** September 24, 2018, 02:51:05 PM »

1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Michigan State
5. Wisconsin
6. Iowa
7. Maryland
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Purdue
11. Indiana
12. Illinois
13. Nebraska
14. Rutgers

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 24, 2018, 03:46:11 PM »

Results posted, votes through LetsGoPeay (15 voters).

Some thoughts:
There is strong agreement (10 or more out of 15) on five rankings:

14 of 15 agree on tOSU #1
12 of 15 agree on PSU #2
10 of 15 agree on Iowa #6
12 of 15 agree on Maryland #7
14 of 15 agree on Rutgers #14

None of the rest have more than eight votes for a spot. Minnesota (4), Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Purdue (5 each) have the least agreement.

There is only one non-contiguous vote this week. @Brutus Buckeye has Maryland #5, nobody else has them higher than #7. However, 12 of the other 14 voters have them seventh.

Looking forward:
This week's tOSU/PSU game is not just the game of the week but, at least according to our current rankings, it is the game of the year. After that the pickings get really slim. Five of our 14 teams have byes this week, those are:

#4 Wisconsin
#6 Iowa
#7 Maryland
#10/11 Minnesota
#12 Illinois

Other than the obvious #1 v #2 game, there isn't much opportunity for the top teams to make a move because the next six teams do not have much of an opportunity to prove anything:

#3 Michigan will be heavily favored at Northwestern
#4 Wisconsin is off
#5 MSU will be heavily favored at home against the MAC's CMU
#6 Iowa is off
#7 Maryland is off
#8 Indiana will be heavily favored at Rutgers

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 24, 2018, 04:04:08 PM »

Looking further ahead to October 6:

#8 IU @ #1 tOSU
#2 PSU is off
#7 UMD @ #3 M
#13 UNL @ #4 UW
#10/11 NU @ #5 MSU
#6 Iowa @ #10/11 MN
#9 PU is off
#12 ILL @ #14 RU

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #31 on:** September 25, 2018, 10:29:27 AM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on September 24, 2018, 01:53:55 PM

What a difference coaching makes. With Wilson, Indiana was all offense, no defense. With Allen, they're the opposite. With Hazell, Purdue couldn't field an offense or defense, but this year it looks like we've got good [if not where it will eventually get] offense but little to no defense.

On both fronts, absolutely.
Since I'm in Bloomington, I also feel obligated to point out that in Wilson's last year, they were **thisss** close to having a complete program. He could obviously assemble an offense, and Allen can obviously do the same on D. That year, the O roster lost too much, so the bowl eligibility was earned through defense.
But if Wilson hadn't been fired...the revolution would have been on.
That has to read as embellishment because it's Indiana, but it's plausible. Marrying a Wilson O and Allen D should have been profitable.
Though Indiana has never been one to beat M/OSU/PSU since the mid-1980s, with Wilson/Allen, I bet they would have once or twice per decade.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #32 on:** September 25, 2018, 10:35:58 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 24, 2018, 03:46:11 PM

Looking forward:
This week's tOSU/PSU game is not just the game of the week but, at least according to our current rankings, it is the game of the year.

For now, absolutely, and maybe in the end, also. Though with early season games like this, one or more "game of the years" ** usually show up to top it later.
**(just a comment on championship implications)

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 25, 2018, 11:34:42 AM »

Indiana's wins over Ohio State since WWII:

1988 over a 4-6-1 tOSU team
1987 over a 6-4-1 team
1951 over a 4-3-2 team
1947 over a 2-6-1 team

Indiana's wins over Michigan since WWII:

1987 over an 8-4 team
1967 over a 5-6 team
1959 over a 4-5 team
1958 over a 2-6-1 team
1954 over a 6-3 team
1945 over a 7-3 team

So 1987 is the only time since WWII that Indiana has defeated both Ohio State and Michigan in the same season.

Indiana is 1-20 all-time against Penn State with the only win coming in 2013 over a 7-5 team.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 25, 2018, 11:51:28 AM »

FWIW:

In 1987 here were the conference standings:

7-0-1/9-2-1 Michigan State
6-2/10-3 Iowa
6-2/8-4 Indiana
5-3/8-4 Michigan
4-4/6-4-1 Ohio State
3-5/6-5 Minnesota
3-5/3-7-1 Purdue
2-5-1/3-7-1 Illinois
2-6/2-8-1 Northwestern
1-7/3-8 Wisconsin

The Spartans had an odd season. They opened up with a win over USC then suffered back-to-back blowout losses to ND and FSU. After that they went 7-0-1 in the conference but the weird part is that the tie was with one of the worst teams, Illinois. They beat all of the teams that finished .500 or better in the conference only missing Minnesota. Then they went to the RoseBowl and beat USC again.

Iowa lost to MSU and Michigan and missed Illinois. Their OOC was a loss to Tennessee in the Kick-off Classic and wins over Zona, ISU, and KSU. They beat Wyoming in the Holiday Bowl.

Indiana lost to Iowa and MSU in conference and missed Wisconsin. OOC they lost to Kentucky and beat Rice and Mizzou. They lost to Tennessee in the Peach Bowl.

Michigan lost badly to Notre Dame but beat WSU and Long Beach State OOC. In conference they lost to MSU, Indiana, and Ohio State. They missed They missed Purdue and beat Bama in the HoF Bowl.

Ohio State beat WVU and Oregon and tied LSU OOC. In conference they beat Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois. They lost to MSU, Iowa, IU, and Wisconsin.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #35 on:** September 25, 2018, 11:53:37 AM »

Ah! I forgot about 2013 v PSU.
These records since 1987 are what we expect. The next 30 years would have been different, I think, if Wilson and Allen had teamed up for something like 10 years.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #36 on:** September 25, 2018, 11:55:29 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 25, 2018, 11:34:42 AM

So 1987 is the only time since WWII that Indiana has defeated both Ohio State and Michigan in the same season.

1987 is a major reason for why Mallory is still treated like a mythical god around here.

ELA · « **Reply #37 on:** September 25, 2018, 12:08:22 PM »

That MSU-Indiana game in the second to last week of the season was for the Rose Bowl. MSU clinched it with a win, but if Indiana had won, they controlled their own destiny, needing to either beat Purdue in the finale or have MSU lose. MSU rolled them badly in East Lansing, back in the classic 3:30 ABC Big Ten marquee days, where it kicked off in the afternoon and finished in twilight. As a fan of watching old Big Ten games on YouTube, that is one of the higher quality full game broadcasts available out there. Mallory also famously came into the MSU locker room after the game to congratulate the Spartans.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 25, 2018, 12:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 25, 2018, 10:35:58 AM

For now, absolutely, and maybe in the end, also. Though with early season games like this, one or more "game of the years" ** usually show up to top it later.
**(just a comment on championship implications)

Oh, I completely agree. In fact, this is something that I posted in another thread:
"Just generically, any #1 v #2 game is automatically the "game of the week" and in theory it is the "game of the year" but, of course, there is a possibility of more than one #1 v #2 game per year. For example, if Penn State wins then the PSU/M game on November 3 could be another #1 v #2 game and if PSU also wins that then the very next week the PSU/UW game could be a third #1 v #2 game this year. "

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #39 on:** September 25, 2018, 12:38:55 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 25, 2018, 11:34:42 AM

Indiana's wins over Ohio State since WWII:
1988 over a 4-6-1 tOSU team
1987 over a 6-4-1 team
1951 over a 4-3-2 team
1947 over a 2-6-1 team
Indiana's wins over Michigan since WWII:
1987 over an 8-4 team
1967 over a 5-6 team
1959 over a 4-5 team
1958 over a 2-6-1 team
1954 over a 6-3 team
1945 over a 7-3 team

So 1987 is the only time since WWII that Indiana has defeated both Ohio State and Michigan in the same season.

Indiana is 1-20 all-time against Penn State with the only win coming in 2013 over a 7-5 team.

All of their wins over OSU were in either a coach's first or final season.
1947: Wes Fesler's first season
1951: Woody's first season
1987: Earle Bruce's final season
1988: John Cooper's first season

ELA · « **Reply #40 on:** September 26, 2018, 11:42:05 AM »

Massey composite rankings (73 rankings), with last week in parenthesis...

Alabama (1)
Georgia (3)
PENN STATE (4)
Clemson (6)
OHIO STATE (2)
Oklahoma (5)
LSU (8)
Stanford (10)
Notre Dame (12)
WISCONSIN (17)
Auburn (11)
Duke (14)
Washington (13)
MICHIGAN (20)
Kentucky (-)
West Virginia (24)
Miami (23)
Central Florida (19)
South Carolina (-)
MICHIGAN STATE (-)
Texas (-)
Oklahoma State (7)
Mississippi State (9)
NC State (-)
Texas Tech (-)

27. Iowa (16)
42. Maryland (75)
43. Indiana (35)
57. Minnesota (33)
63. Northwestern (59)
69. Purdue (79)
87. Illinois (86)
103. Nebraska (89)
116. Rutgers (110)

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 26, 2018, 11:45:01 AM »

This is a big game, no doubt, but if Penn State wins, its remaining games with Michigan or Wisconsin could be as big (assuming each keeps winning, the winner of their game in a couple of weeks will have a lofty ranking headed into the PSU game).

Similarly, if Michigan reaches the end of the season with only the ND loss and Ohio State is unbeaten, their mild rivalry will be of some interest to the rest of us.

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