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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2019, 12:01:36 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 09, 2019, 11:51:29 AM
See my post to @mcwterps above, please kindly number your rankings in future weeks. 
You should probably request that ty not number his posts, eh?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2019, 12:05:05 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 09, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
You should probably request that ty not number his posts, eh?
LoL.  After this week it might be easier if he didn't.  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2019, 12:40:51 PM »
  • Ohio State - 1,1 - Did pretty much what they were expected to do. 
  • Wisconsin - 4,3 - beating the snot out of bottom-feeders, we'll find out a lot more next game.   
  • Penn State - 3,4 - I'm not overly concerned about the slow first half, it happens. 
  • Michigan - 2,2 - I overlooked last week's sub-par performance but two in a row justifies moving them down.   
  • Maryland - 8,11 - I'm trying not to overreact so I moved them up another three spots.
  • Iowa - 5,6 - Looking good, now don't screw up the CyHawk game! 
  • Michigan State - 7,9 - Still great D, one game of offensive competence against a MAC team is not enough to make me a believer.   
  • Minnesota - 13,10 - Solid win. 
  • Nebraska - 6,8 - We'll see. 
  • Northwestern - 9,7 - n/a
  • Purdue - 10,5 - Nice bounce-back. 
  • Illinois - 11,13 - 2-0. 
  • Indiana - 12,12 - 2-0. 
  • Rutgers - 14,14 - Still Rutgers. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2019, 01:01:40 PM »
Tougher this week...

1) Ohio State: until someone knocks them off.
2) Penn State: sure, it's two nobodies, but beat downs both weeks.
3) Wisconsin: also two nobodies, and two beat-down shutouts.
4) Michigan: I know Army can be a handful, but at home in double OT? Now the Michigan fans are really fretting. And will have ample opportunity to fix all of that when Blue visits Madison in two weeks.
5) Iowa: beating up on lowly conference mates who showed life last week. Solid.
6) Michigan State: found some offense.
7) Maryland? Really? I think so. Two very impressive performances--and Syracuse isn't supposed to suck. Maybe should be higher.
8) Northwestern: benefited by taking the week off?
9) Minnesota: wins are good and traveling to California isn't necessarily easy, even in Fresno.
10) Purdue: beating the SEC is nice. Still thinking about that loss last week.
11) Nebraska: ouch. That was worse than Purdue's collapse last week.
12) Illinois: wins are nice.
13) Indiana: yup, wins are nice.
14) Rutgers: losses aren't.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2019, 01:43:40 PM »
Results posted, votes through @SFBadger96 . 

Update on SoS/HFA:

It appears that the schedule strongly favors a tOSU/UW B1GCG.  Looking at the rankings there is a BIG gap between #7 Iowa and #8 Minnesota.  In fact #7 Iowa is closer to #3 UMD and almost as close to #2 UW as they are to #8 MN.  Similarly, #8 MN is essentially tied with #9 NU and #10 UNL and the Gophers are closer to 13th than they are to 7th. 

Looking just at the top-seven teams then (because if we are right then the B1G contenders shouldn't have any trouble with #8-14 anyway). 

Among the top-7:

  • #1 tOSU plays five of the other six missing #7 Iowa.  Only one game is on the road (#5 M). 
  • #2 UW plays four of the other six missing #3 UMD and #4 PSU.  Only one game is on the road (#1 tOSU). 
  • #3 UMD plays four of the other six missing #3 UW and #7 Iowa.  Two of the four are on the road (#1 tOSU, #6 MSU). 
  • #4 PSU plays five of the other six missing #2 UW.  Four of the five are on the road (#1 tOSU, #3 UMD, #6 MSU, #7 IA). 
  • #5 M plays the other six.  Three of the six are on the road (#2 UW, #3 UMD, #4 PSU). 
  • #6 MSU plays five of the other six missing #7 Iowa.  Three of the five are on the road (#1 tOSU, #2 UW, #5 M). 
  • #7 Iowa plays three of the other six missing #1 tOSU, #3 UMD, and #6 MSU.  Two of the three are on the road (#2 UW, #5 M). 

The Buckeyes and Badgers each only play one road game against a fellow top-half B1G team.  The others play two (UMD, IA), three (M, MSU), or four (PSU) road games against teams currently ranked in the top-half of the B1G. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2019, 01:47:53 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on September 08, 2019, 07:31:17 PM
Ok, I'll bite.  I remember that you use some kind of formula but can't remember the details of how it works.

Maybe you can refresh my memory and explain how your formula could result in Minnesota at #2 and OSU at #6.
I don't recall exactly what mcw's methodology is, but I remember this comes up every year. The methodology is all over the map early in the season due to small sample size, but as we get through the season it gets better. But I like his approach as it at least gives a more objective ranking--whether his weighting of the various factors is right or wrong, it's definitely not groupthink.

I think of it as similar to the basketball RPI. Early in the season, there's SO much noise because of small sample size, but as you start getting into the meat of conference play, it converges to much more accurately represent each team's true strength. 

In basketball, I think guys like Sagarin, KenPom, and Torvik build into the early season numbers some weight based upon a team's previous season, which fades as the new season matures. That tends to smooth out some of the "weird" results of a purely numbers-based approach. I don't think @mcwterps1 has any sort of smoothing functions based on previous year's finish in his formula. 

So, I usually view his rankings as an oddity until we start getting 5-6 weeks into the season, at which point the noise starts to diminish and you can look for areas perhaps where his ranking pushes teams above or below "conventional wisdom" and then try to figure out whether mcw is right or conventional wisdom is right.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2019, 03:46:19 PM »
I got you Medina

My rankings are based on offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency , turnovers, strength of opponent, home or away bonus if they win.

It's the only way I can wrap my head around the "neutral field" question.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2019, 04:17:59 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 09, 2019, 11:44:28 AM
Also, you have two #9's.  Did you mean the order in which you listed them:
  • #9 Northwestern
  • #11 Indiana
Or did you mean something else?



Updated.
The order I had listed is what I want.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2019, 04:56:20 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 08, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Chicago doesn’t make sense on any level.

Yes, Rutgers blows. But we all know why Jim did it. Money grab. The NYC/NJ media market is largest in USA. He wanted the B1G to get a cut and a footprint in that market.

I hated the move as much as the next guy, but I can see his reasoning behind it.

And his moved backfired. They initially got into the media market at a greatly reduced rate, and have since been moved to a sports tier.
A quick google search and I'm not finding the numbers I want, so this is 5 year old foggy memory stuff.
The state of Ohio paid the most for BTN, 4.4 million subscribers at .80 cents each. (3.5 million a month)
[I think some smaller states may have paid more per subscriber, but Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Michigan were all lower per subscriber than Ohio.]
New York Media Market was a penitence, 6.9 million subscribers at .03 cents each. (just 200k a month)
After a couple years, Comcast went ahead and dropped the BTN network off 1st tier and put it on a sports tier, making it significantly less than the already paltry sum they were getting.

Again Don't quote my numbers as fact, but I think they are pretty close. And again were meant to show that Big Ten didn't get the New York Media Market.

Simple Fact Rutgers has not delivered the media market they promised. They have not used Big Ten Money to improve their lot in either Athletics or Academics. They are by far the weakest School in the Big Ten with in any metric used. ('cept maybe AAU membership over Nebraska I guess. But Rutgers gets to include their Medical Campus and Nebraska doesn't.)

EDIT: It was only Nebraska, that paid more per subscriber. 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2019, 06:11:29 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 09, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
You should probably request that ty not number his posts, eh?

Heh, Mine was a lazy copy and paste job I didn't finish editing. I'll do better in the future ... probably. 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2019, 07:03:15 PM »
1) Maryland - Best win so far
2) Wisconsin - Very impressive so far
3) Ohio State - 2 wins over possible bowl teams
4) Michigan - Army is a decent team, but gotta get things together soon
5) Penn State - A little shaky, but got things done
6) Michigan State - So far, so good.  We'll see when they play someone
7) Iowa - Not sold yet.  CyHawk time.
8) Minnesota - Miracle win, but a good one over a quality team
9) Nebraska - Can't move them lower yet, but I want to
10) Northwestern - Stanford doesn't look as forgivable now
11) Purdue - Remains unpredictable.  New chaos team?
12) Indiana - Too early to say
13) Illinois - I'm tempted to move them higher, but need to see more
14) Rutgers - Did they really beat Michigan once?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2019, 07:40:53 PM »
Try sticking around for awhile
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2019, 07:41:42 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 09, 2019, 07:40:53 PM
Try sticking around for awhile
Ditto.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2019, 07:44:24 PM »
Really recently Mario,RoadDawg,Honest Buckeye and ABBA have all resurfaced.Watch Buckeye Rob and Bama Buckeye make a cameo
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