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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2019, 06:16:08 PM »
Was there a more disappointing team in America this year than Army?  It looked like Michigan was the only loss on their schedule, they took UM to OT, but lost, but then proceeded to go 5-8.
Yep.  Quite a fall from last year's accomplishments.
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2019, 10:24:16 PM »
Navy should stick with those unis, not that they will.
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2019, 10:34:49 PM »
Navy should stick with those unis, not that they will.
Meant to mention that.  I always hate the alternates for this game.  I liked both today, particularly Navy's

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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2019, 11:53:39 PM »
I liked Navy's unis, not so much the helmets.

Army's, OTOH, left me shaking my head.  They're supposed to be tributes to the 1st Cav Division?  The white and gray-green jerseys are supposed to represent the uniforms worn by 1st Cav soldiers?  None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

If they wanted to represent the 1st Cav, they could have just worn the shoulder patch on their jerseys.



I wonder how much money is wasted on the alternates--clown suits, at times--that Army and Navy now seem to be compelled to trot out each year.

Wretched excess, IMO.
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2019, 09:19:02 AM »
Was there a more disappointing team in America this year than Army?  It looked like Michigan was the only loss on their schedule, they took UM to OT, but lost, but then proceeded to go 5-8.
So I thought this might be interesting. I knew before the season the SP+ rankings didn't have them super high, which sparked anger from author John Feinstein. That being said, even with that low projection, Army was projected to win nine games. So I wanted to look a little closer at what happened. 

It's first worth noting that per SP+, Army played more like a team that would've won 7 and 8 wins the past two years rather than 10 and 11. They lived on a lot of tight games and won a high precent, which sometimes leads to volatility. 

So in SP, Army actually improved this year from 84th to 64th, though playing better special teams was a boost (they dropped in other metrics). The maker of that system admitted their extreme fourth down reliance tweaks the numbers because success on every down is redefined when you convert almost every 4th and 2.

But on a larger scale, I think the middle of the schedule got a mite tougher while Army backslid mildly, enough to lose all the close games. Here's Army in 2018 regular season:
Losses: 8-5 ACC, 12-2 Big 12. Wins: 10-4 Buffalo, 8-6 Hawaii, 7-6 EMU, 6-6 Liberty, 6-6 Miami Ohio, 5-7 Air Force, 3-10 Navy, 1-11 SJ State, Two FCS
This year, both other service Academies got really good, so that flipped two wins
Losses: 10-2 Air Force, 10-2 Navy, 9-3 Michigan, 9-5 Hawaii, 8-4 WKU, 6-6 Tulane, 7-5 Ga. State, 5-7 SJ State. Wins: 3-9 Rice, 4-8 UTSA, 1-11 UMass, 2 FCS. 

So you lose two wins in the Commander in Chief series and then the mix of mild backslide with the schedule getting slightly beefier you drop from 9 projected wins to 5. 

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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2019, 09:19:27 AM »
I liked Navy's unis, not so much the helmets.

Army's, OTOH, left me shaking my head.  They're supposed to be tributes to the 1st Cav Division?  The white and gray-green jerseys are supposed to represent the uniforms worn by 1st Cav soldiers?  None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

If they wanted to represent the 1st Cav, they could have just worn the shoulder patch on their jerseys.



I wonder how much money is wasted on the alternates--clown suits, at times--that Army and Navy now seem to be compelled to trot out each year.

Wretched excess, IMO.
Are you implying the schools are paying for them?

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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2019, 10:47:38 AM »
Are you implying the schools are paying for them?
I don't know who pays for them.  But, if not the schools, then who?  And what's the quid pro quo?
No matter who pays, the end result for Army was not in the school colors and was nothing like any unform that the troopers of the 1st Cav Div have ever worn.
I root for the service academies in general and for Army in particular, but I think this recent "tradition" of "representative" unis for the Army-Navy game is silly.
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2019, 12:58:30 PM »
It was my understanding the uniform providers pay the schools.
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2019, 01:09:57 PM »
Definition of uniform


1 : having always the same form, manner, or degree : not varying or variable 
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Re: Army-Navy Game
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2019, 01:14:21 PM »
It was my understanding the uniform providers pay the schools.
It's usually part cash, part gear.

I assume it comes out of their gear cut, but in turn Nike/Adidas/whoever is more likely to play ball with schools that allow this, so they can then sell them.  That said, has anyone ever seen anyone wear an Army/Navy uniform around on a Saturday?  Let alone an alternate one?

 

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