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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 14, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
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A lot of fake pomp around the game, but I still enjoy it.
Go Army! Beat Navy!
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Gotta be a Navy fan today, in recognition of those fine young men who cruised my son to where he needed to be.
:)
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The only family I have in the military are in the Air Force, so I don't have any reason to prefer one over the other, but from childhood, I've preferred Navy.
We had a thread about this a long time ago - which side you prefer in rivalries that have nothing to do with your teams. Duke-UNC, UM-OSU, etc.
I pull for Navy, and I don't know why.
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The only family I have in the military are in the Air Force, so I don't have any reason to prefer one over the other, but from childhood, I've preferred Navy.
We had a thread about this a long time ago - which side you prefer in rivalries that have nothing to do with your teams. Duke-UNC, UM-OSU, etc.
I pull for Navy, and I don't know why.
I pull for Giant Meteor in that one.
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One Brother did 3 yrs in the Navy,then another brother recruited him into the Air Force.I've always pulled for the Middies
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The only family I have in the military are in the Air Force, so I don't have any reason to prefer one over the other, but from childhood, I've preferred Navy.
We had a thread about this a long time ago - which side you prefer in rivalries that have nothing to do with your teams. Duke-UNC, UM-OSU, etc.
I pull for Navy, and I don't know why.
I have 2 Army, and one Air Force, but that has nothing to do with it for me. Like you said, I just started preferring Army at a young age, for no real reason, and stuck with it.
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I usually root for the better team because of my option preference is boosted by having more singular good option teams (i.e. a 10-2 and 6-6 seems somehow better than 9-3 and 7-5). That means it's usually Navy though most of my life. Today that's the case because Army can't bowl.
Anyway, Army just scored on a beauty of a counter read.
(only family tie is Marines, and I never had the chance to gage his rooting interest in the matter)
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Go, Black Knights!
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Also, I am here for 18-play drives.
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And Defense
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Somebody who graduated from USNA told me the football players were reviled and hated on campus because they get special perks.
He said they avoid some annoying details and classes so they can "practice" or attend games etc. He also said they were about 80% Marine option. He was Navy, Lt. Cmdr at the time.
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Somebody who graduated from USNA told me the football players were reviled and hated on campus because they get special perks.
He said they avoid some annoying details and classes so they can "practice" or attend games etc. He also said they were about 80% Marine option. He was Navy, Lt. Cmdr at the time.
At least they're not treated like Citadel football players for it.
But yeah, athletes treated well everywhere.
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The Marine officer ranks of course correspond to Army office ranks, which means they are confusing with Navy ranks.
2nd Lieutenant - Ensign
1st Lieutenant - Lieutenant JG
Captain - Lieutenant
Major - Lt. Commander
Lt. Colonel - Commander
Colonel - Captain
So, at a mixed base, it can get confusing when answered the phone. A Captain in the Navy is somebody, and in the Corps is just someone who has been around a few years without messing up too badly.
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Was there a more disappointing team in America this year than Army? It looked like Michigan was the only loss on their schedule, they took UM to OT, but lost, but then proceeded to go 5-8.
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Was there a more disappointing team in America this year than Army? It looked like Michigan was the only loss on their schedule, they took UM to OT, but lost, but then proceeded to go 5-8.
Yep. Quite a fall from last year's accomplishments.
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Navy should stick with those unis, not that they will.
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Navy should stick with those unis, not that they will.
Meant to mention that. I always hate the alternates for this game. I liked both today, particularly Navy's
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I liked Navy's unis, not so much the helmets.
Army's, OTOH, left me shaking my head. They're supposed to be tributes to the 1st Cav Division? The white and gray-green jerseys are supposed to represent the uniforms worn by 1st Cav soldiers? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.
If they wanted to represent the 1st Cav, they could have just worn the shoulder patch on their jerseys.
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I wonder how much money is wasted on the alternates--clown suits, at times--that Army and Navy now seem to be compelled to trot out each year.
Wretched excess, IMO.
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Was there a more disappointing team in America this year than Army? It looked like Michigan was the only loss on their schedule, they took UM to OT, but lost, but then proceeded to go 5-8.
So I thought this might be interesting. I knew before the season the SP+ rankings didn't have them super high, which sparked anger from author John Feinstein. That being said, even with that low projection, Army was projected to win nine games. So I wanted to look a little closer at what happened.
It's first worth noting that per SP+, Army played more like a team that would've won 7 and 8 wins the past two years rather than 10 and 11. They lived on a lot of tight games and won a high precent, which sometimes leads to volatility.
So in SP, Army actually improved this year from 84th to 64th, though playing better special teams was a boost (they dropped in other metrics). The maker of that system admitted their extreme fourth down reliance tweaks the numbers because success on every down is redefined when you convert almost every 4th and 2.
But on a larger scale, I think the middle of the schedule got a mite tougher while Army backslid mildly, enough to lose all the close games. Here's Army in 2018 regular season:
Losses: 8-5 ACC, 12-2 Big 12. Wins: 10-4 Buffalo, 8-6 Hawaii, 7-6 EMU, 6-6 Liberty, 6-6 Miami Ohio, 5-7 Air Force, 3-10 Navy, 1-11 SJ State, Two FCS
This year, both other service Academies got really good, so that flipped two wins
Losses: 10-2 Air Force, 10-2 Navy, 9-3 Michigan, 9-5 Hawaii, 8-4 WKU, 6-6 Tulane, 7-5 Ga. State, 5-7 SJ State. Wins: 3-9 Rice, 4-8 UTSA, 1-11 UMass, 2 FCS.
So you lose two wins in the Commander in Chief series and then the mix of mild backslide with the schedule getting slightly beefier you drop from 9 projected wins to 5.
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I liked Navy's unis, not so much the helmets.
Army's, OTOH, left me shaking my head. They're supposed to be tributes to the 1st Cav Division? The white and gray-green jerseys are supposed to represent the uniforms worn by 1st Cav soldiers? None of that makes any sense whatsoever.
If they wanted to represent the 1st Cav, they could have just worn the shoulder patch on their jerseys.
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I wonder how much money is wasted on the alternates--clown suits, at times--that Army and Navy now seem to be compelled to trot out each year.
Wretched excess, IMO.
Are you implying the schools are paying for them?
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Are you implying the schools are paying for them?
I don't know who pays for them. But, if not the schools, then who? And what's the quid pro quo?
No matter who pays, the end result for Army was not in the school colors and was nothing like any unform that the troopers of the 1st Cav Div have ever worn.
I root for the service academies in general and for Army in particular, but I think this recent "tradition" of "representative" unis for the Army-Navy game is silly.
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It was my understanding the uniform providers pay the schools.
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Definition of uniform
1 : having always the same form, manner, or degree : not varying or variable
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It was my understanding the uniform providers pay the schools.
It's usually part cash, part gear.
I assume it comes out of their gear cut, but in turn Nike/Adidas/whoever is more likely to play ball with schools that allow this, so they can then sell them. That said, has anyone ever seen anyone wear an Army/Navy uniform around on a Saturday? Let alone an alternate one?