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Topic: #2 Ohio State (9-0, 12-0) at #13 Michigan (6-3, 9-3) Post Game

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2019, 04:52:53 PM »
and they have a hot canoe rowing coach!
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2019, 05:06:49 PM »
Yeah, we all recall how helmet teams with rabid fan bases would get the choice bowls when better teams were available.  This might bode ill for Minnesota.

But then they are a hot story.
If it is up to a committee and not dictated by rankings the other side of the coin is that Minnesota *MIGHT* have a LOT of fans hungry for a major bowl compared to other fanbases that might have a more been-there-done-that attitude.  I don't know.  

If you are a Minnesota fan, here are the last 20 bowls you have had the option to follow your team to (years are seasons, January bowls were the following calendar year):
  • 2018 Quick Lane Bowl, Detroit, MI
  • 2016 Holiday Bowl, San Diego, CA
  • 2015 Quick Lane Bowl, Detroit, MI
  • 2014 Citrus Bowl, Orlando, FL
  • 2013 Texas Bowl, Houston, TX
  • 2012 Meineke Car Care Bowl, Houston, TX
  • 2009 Insight Bowl, Tempe, AZ
  • 2008 Insight Bowl, Glendale, AZ
  • 2006 Insight Bowl, Tempe, AZ
  • 2005 Music City Bowl, Nashville, TN
  • 2004 Music City Bowl, Nashville, TN
  • 2003 Sun Bowl, El Paso, TX
  • 2002 Music City Bowl, Nashville, TN
  • 2000 Micron PC Bowl, Miami, FL
  • 1999 Sun Bowl, El Paso, TX
  • 1986 Liberty Bowl, Memphis, TN
  • 1985 Independence Bowl, Shreveport, LA
  • 1977 HoF Classic, Birmingham, AL
  • 1961 Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA
  • 1960 Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA

If you were a college student last time the Gophers played in the Rose Bowl, you are now about 80 years old.  There could be a LOT of Gopher fans out there that have been waiting a LONG time for a return to Pasadena.  


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2019, 05:14:23 PM »
if the committee looks at which fan base would bring the most fans
I would think this would bode well for the gophers.  There is so much talk about getting to the Rose Bowl that 2nd place is more advantageous than getting to the CFBC
People are coming out of the deer stands and are now in the boat wanting to go to a Rose Bowl.


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2019, 06:45:30 PM »
I think I'd take a 11-2 Minnesota over a 10-2 Michigan despite the history.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2019, 07:19:48 AM »
The B1G and P12 Champions go unless they are in the CFP.  I *THINK* that if either champion is in the CFP the highest ranked available team in the final CFP from that conference replaces them.  Thus, I *THINK* that the final CFP ranking would decide. 
My guess would be that in the scenario that you posted, the Rose Bowl will select the team that they feel will give them the biggest TV audience. My guess is that they would take Michigan as they would be the bigger draw. But that is just my opinion. 

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #75 on: November 26, 2019, 07:23:21 AM »
A 10-2 Michigan is not going to the Rose Bowl.  Maybe they'll get to play Florida again in the Citrus Bowl.  Exciting.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2019, 07:31:57 AM »
I love the strength against strength matchups in this game.  Michigan's offensive resurgence has come about as they have been more aggressive throwing the ball downfield to their tremendous receivers.  That strategy would come right into the teeth of the Buckeye's defense, which plays a lot of cover 3 zone with four guys who will get drafted, plus one of the top pass rushes in the country. The Buckeyes are second in the nation in sacks, TFLs, and first in passing yards given up per game.  They've also given up the fewest plays over 10 yards in the country.  

Will Michigan keep chucking it?  Or try to run the ball and get it to their tight ends?  I think Ronnie Bell is in for a big game, as he gets the underneath stuff for Michigan as teams defend all their deep threats.  That won't work all game - eventually OSU will get guys in different places and snag a pick, like we saw against Penn State.  This will be a fun strategy to watch.

Conversely, Don Brown operates on the theory of being aggressive on defense.  However, he is playing a lot more cover 2 on the back end this year, and mixing up coverages is a vital piece of attacking OSU this year.  Michigan doesn't have the pass rush of OSU, but they are great at maintaining discipline and shrinking the pocket.  Fields is slow on the trigger and will take a sack rather than force a ball, and he's been sacked plenty of times.  If Michigan can slow down the run game and also contain Fields from running, they will be in great shape.  OSU loves throwing down field, but that will be tougher against a Cover 2 scheme that takes away a lot of routes.  I didn't think OSU reacted well against Penn State's aggressiveness last week - there were shorter routes they could have gotten instead of always looking downfield.  If they can't take what's given against Michigan, could be in for a long game.


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2019, 08:44:59 AM »
good analysis Max.

Michigan doesn't have quite the pass rush that OSU has, but they can still get after the QB. I think the biggest difference for Michigan this year on defense is Don Brown has started wisely playing more zone & combo coverages and a lot less straight man to man across the board. Which is a great thing. Don Brown is awesome, but it's not a great idea to have LB's and safeties playing man to man 98.2% of the game.

For me, the game will all hinge on what Shea Patterson does. And I have zero confidence in him. If he's throwing for 300+ and 3-4 TD's and limits the turnovers to 1 or 0- Michigan has a shot. If he struggles to crack 250, turns it over a couple times, and only throws 1 or 2 TD's- Michigan has no shot. For Michigan it'll all come down to how that OL schemes up to block Chase Young and how well Patterson plays.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2019, 08:47:45 AM »
The weather for The Game at this point is forecast to be morning snow changing over to rain with a high of 42.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2019, 08:49:04 AM »
How many of the recent NC teams have had a mobile QB who can throw the ball well?

Most, I think, for good reason.  A QB who can escape a rush and extend a play is gold on the field.  Blitzing Fields is a risky move, but you probably have to do it.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »
How many of the recent NC teams have had a mobile QB who can throw the ball well?

Most, I think, for good reason.  A QB who can escape a rush and extend a play is gold on the field.  Blitzing Fields is a risky move, but you probably have to do it.
I wouldn't blitz Fields. I'd try to force him to stay in the pocket.


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2019, 09:08:14 AM »
I love the strength against strength matchups in this game.  Michigan's offensive resurgence has come about as they have been more aggressive throwing the ball downfield to their tremendous receivers.  That strategy would come right into the teeth of the Buckeye's defense, which plays a lot of cover 3 zone with four guys who will get drafted, plus one of the top pass rushes in the country. The Buckeyes are second in the nation in sacks, TFLs, and first in passing yards given up per game.  They've also given up the fewest plays over 10 yards in the country. 

Will Michigan keep chucking it?  Or try to run the ball and get it to their tight ends?  I think Ronnie Bell is in for a big game, as he gets the underneath stuff for Michigan as teams defend all their deep threats.  That won't work all game - eventually OSU will get guys in different places and snag a pick, like we saw against Penn State.  This will be a fun strategy to watch.

Conversely, Don Brown operates on the theory of being aggressive on defense.  However, he is playing a lot more cover 2 on the back end this year, and mixing up coverages is a vital piece of attacking OSU this year.  Michigan doesn't have the pass rush of OSU, but they are great at maintaining discipline and shrinking the pocket.  Fields is slow on the trigger and will take a sack rather than force a ball, and he's been sacked plenty of times.  If Michigan can slow down the run game and also contain Fields from running, they will be in great shape.  OSU loves throwing down field, but that will be tougher against a Cover 2 scheme that takes away a lot of routes.  I didn't think OSU reacted well against Penn State's aggressiveness last week - there were shorter routes they could have gotten instead of always looking downfield.  If they can't take what's given against Michigan, could be in for a long game.
Did you copy & paste that ? Because if not it's a great breakdown,much better than most of the networks slanted slappies.As I've mentioned before Ms passing game is what we expected about 8-9 weeks ago.Unless it's raining,put Jones,Black & Collins out there point them in different directions and start tossing it like crazy
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2019, 09:14:40 AM »
How many of the recent NC teams have had a mobile QB who can throw the ball well?
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2019, 09:16:19 AM »
The weather for The Game at this point is forecast to be morning snow changing over to rain with a high of 42.
I'd wait until thursday to give that any credibility
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