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Topic: #2 Ohio State (9-0, 12-0) at #13 Michigan (6-3, 9-3) Post Game

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan 9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2019, 10:45:05 AM »
Yeah, you'd figure something they choose to call "The Game" would simply have "The Thread" wouldn't you? ;)

Anyway, GO BLUE!
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan 9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2019, 12:55:05 PM »
Now that we are in game week, I think this game will turn on two things:

  • Michigan's ability to run the ball, and
  • Michigan's ability to stop Ohio State's offense.  

If Michigan can run the ball they will do well but that is easier said than done.  PSU and UW rushed for 2.8 and 2.4 yards per attempt and that simply isn't going to get it done for the Wolverines.  Obvious passing situations are just disasters waiting to happen against Chase Young and company.  PSU and UW gave up five sacks each against the Buckeyes largely because they couldn't run effectively and if Michigan can't run effectively they will have the same problem.  

I put Michigan's ability to stop Ohio State's offense because we all remember last year when Michigan scored 39 on the Buckeyes and got blown out anyway.  Being able to run and put up points will only matter for the Wolverines if they can also stop Ohio State.  

As an Ohio State fan I am worried about this game.  It is much more important to Michigan than it is to Ohio State and the Wolverines are, IMHO, a much improved team since early in the season.  


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan 9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2019, 01:00:00 PM »
I think Michigan will need something like a +2 turnover margin to win, or the equivalent in the kicking game.  I don't think it likely.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan 9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2019, 01:46:03 PM »
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It's not 3rd party smack, it's t-shirt fan bandwagoning.  Get your insults straight, amigo.

I figure The Ohio State University is going to win this game pretty convincingly, but there's always hope for a better outcome... ;)

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2019, 03:07:00 PM »
Based on the past two games, Michigan might not really even try to run the ball much, and I actually think that makes sense, and is arguably how they should've been playing all year. Michigan's OLine is very good at pass blocking, so it's just a matter of Patterson getting rid of it quickly enough, which he is getting better at of late. Michigan is going to need big plays on offense, and you're not going to get that from any of the RBs.... OSU has a better secondary than most teams Michigan has faced, but I'll take my chances there instead. The weather forecast does look somewhat ugly, but Michigan did well last week and even did okay against Notre Dame whereas in previous years, the passing game would be awful if there was any precipitation.

Ohio State's offense concerns me, for sure, but compared to last year, Michigan's defense is making much better and quicker adjustments. Indiana scored TDs on its first two possessions and so did Sparty on its first, and then they were shut down the rest of the way. ND didn't score until the second half when the game was no longer really in doubt. Penn State did score early but got shut down in the second half.... I think they'll slow down the OSU running game well enough, but it's the passing game that concerns me, but the weather is a huge variable there, too, of course.

It goes without saying that turnovers are going to be very important. Fortunately, Michigan has been much better at not committing them along with creating them the past few weeks, whereas Ohio State had some bad ones last weekend.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2019, 03:46:43 PM »
Could Michigan make the RoseBowl with a win here?  

I think they *MIGHT* but it would take a few things breaking their way.  The scenario:

  • Michigan beats Ohio State, and
  • Wisconsin beats Minnesota, and
  • Ohio State beats Wisconsin again.  

Ohio State would go to the CFP with a 12-1 record and a B1G Championship.  The contenders for the Rose Bowl slot would be:
  • 10-2 Michigan
  • 10-2 Minnesota
  • 10-2 Penn State
  • 10-3 Wisconsin

Michigan would clearly have a better win than any of the others and their one score road loss to PSU isn't bad but that blowout in Madison would be the problem along with the fact that they would be 0-2 against the other contenders.  

Minnesota's weakness would be SoS.  Their B1G-E opponents were RU, UMD, and PSU.  PSU is solid and that is a great win but the other two are the worst two teams in the league.  Additionally, Minnesota would be the only one of the group that hadn't played tOSU.  

Penn State's argument in favor would be their H2H win over Michigan but that is somewhat of a circular argument because they also lost to MN.  

Wisconsin's argument in favor would be that they had to play tOSU twice and nobody else did.  They would also be 2-0 against the other contenders.  The argument against is that playing Ohio State twice doesn't explain that loss to Illinois which is the worst loss of the group.  

I think the slot goes to the highest ranked team and in the most recent CFP rankings these teams were (with what has and will happen between now and the selection):
  • #8 PSU:  Lost to tOSU, (assuming) win over RU.  
  • #10 Minnesota:  Beat Northwestern, lose to UW.  
  • #12 Wisconsin:  Beat Purdue, beat Minnesota, Lose to tOSU.  
  • #13 Michigan:  Beat Indiana, beat tOSU.  
I think it would end up REALLY close between those four.  


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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2019, 04:01:08 PM »
What entity picks teams for the Rose Bowl these days?

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2019, 04:01:37 PM »
I was wondering how long it has been since Michigan bean their three biggest rivals.  Overall it has happened six times.  Once was at the dawn of the 20th Century.  It happened back-to-back in the 1980's and three times in 13 years from 1991-2003:  

  • In 2003 they won 38-0 over ND at home, 27-20 over MSU in East Lansing, and 35-21 over Ohio State at home.  
  • Prior to that it was 1997, 21-14 over ND at home, 23-7 over MSU in East Lansing, and 20-14 over Ohio State at home.  
  • Prior to that it was 1991, 24-14 over ND at home, 45-28 over MSU in East Lansing, and 31-3 over Ohio State at home.  
  • Prior to that it was 1986, 24-23 over ND in South Bend, 27-6 over MSU at home, and 26-24 over Ohio State in Columbus.  
  • Prior to that it was 1985, 20-12 over ND at home, 31-0 over MSU in East Lansing, and 27-17 over Ohio State at home.  
  • Prior to that it was 1902, 23-0 over ND in Toledo, 119-0 over MSU at home, and 86-0 over Ohio State at home.  



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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2019, 04:02:57 PM »
What entity picks teams for the Rose Bowl these days?
The B1G and P12 Champions go unless they are in the CFP.  I *THINK* that if either champion is in the CFP the highest ranked available team in the final CFP from that conference replaces them.  Thus, I *THINK* that the final CFP ranking would decide.  

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2019, 04:11:42 PM »
I'm surprised to see how many times Ohio State has worn an alternate uni in this game.

And this thread sucks.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2019, 04:20:28 PM »
In years when the Rose Bowl is not a College Football Playoff semifinal game and the Big Ten or Pac-12 champion is selected to play in the College Football Playoff, the Rose Bowl Game selects the next best team in the conference. It follows that if both the Big Ten and Pac-12 champions are selected for the College Football Playoff, the Rose Bowl would select the team it deems next best in each conference.

Found that somewhere, I guess  there is a Rose Bowl committee in brightly colored sports jackets.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2019, 04:27:04 PM »
The Ohio State defense has put up some serious numbers this season especially considering last year, with 217 YPG.  Michigan I suspect is going to need to pass on first down and use a lot of play action.  Obviously, getting to 3rd and 8 is a recipe for getting to 4th and 18, or worse.

Michigan is 7th in the conference and a full 127 yards fewer than OSU on offense.  They did spank ND, so they can put up a great game.  ND lost the TO battle 2-0.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2019, 04:37:30 PM »
I guess  there is a Rose Bowl committee in brightly colored sports jackets.
as it should be
jackets always go for the best possible attendance

I assume the network would pressure for best possible TV rating
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Re: #2 Ohio State (11-0, 8-0) at #13 Michigan (9-2, 6-2) Game Week
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2019, 04:41:31 PM »
Yeah, we all recall how helmet teams with rabid fan bases would get the choice bowls when better teams were available.  This might bode ill for Minnesota.

But then they are a hot story.

 

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