2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[medinabuckeye1]

Thoughts on @boilerbanger and @grillrat 's suggestions:

Both of you suggested moving MSU down (2->3) AND moving NU up (4->3).  The thing is that either one of those moves would eliminate NU's home win over MSU as an upset so I don't think that we need to do both. 

Both of you suggested moving Indiana up (5->4). 

I will probably update projections on Friday so we'll await results from games through Thursday before making any changes.  Between now and Thursday:

Northwestern visits Penn State tomorrow.  If the Cats win, they have to move up since they'd be +3 with upset wins vsPU, vsMSU, and @PSU.  If we do that then there is less of a need to move MSU down. 

MSU plays at Illinois on Thursday.  It is a road game so we would project a loss either way but even if they do lose, I would expect a tier-2 team to be competitive on the road with a fellow tier-2 team so if MSU wins or is competitive in a loss they should *probably* stay in tier-2 especially if NU already got moved up.  OTOH, if MSU gets run off the court in Champaign and/or if NU loses at PSU then we should maybe move MSU down. 

Indiana is at Rutgers tomorrow.  It is a road game so we would project a loss either way but even if they do lose, I would expect a tier-4 team to be competitive on the road with a fellow tier-4 team so if IU wins or is competitive in a loss they should *probably* move up but if they get run off the court then they should stay where they are for now. 

[ELA]

Yeah, I wouldn't flip them.

I think both are 3

• Purdue
• Illinois, Wisconsin
• Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, NW, OSU
• Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Rutgers
• PSU

[ELA]

I also very much hate NET.  It's some weird Frankenstein model.  If you want resume, just go with SOR.  If you want predictive, you have KenPom.  All of those ratings make sense, for what they are intended to do.  I haven't had time, but I do my bracket that is literally 2/3 SOR, 1/3 KenPom, and I have very few issues with it

[medinabuckeye1]

Yeah, I wouldn't flip them.

I think both are 3

This was my mistake.  In my post I said that they both ha NU in tier-2 but that was a typo and should have been tier-3.  I'll fix it.  

[medinabuckeye1]

So with @ELA 's contribution we now have four suggested sets of tiers.  Here is what we are unanimous on:

• PU
• UW, IL
• UNL
• MN
• PSU

Here is what three of the four of us agree on:

• Everybody except me has MSU in tier-3, I have them in tier-2
• Everybody except me has NU in tier-3, I have them in tier-4
• Everybody except @grillrat has RU in tier-4, he has them in tier-5
• Everybody except me has IU in tier-4, I have them in tier-5
• Everybody except @ELA has M in tier-5, he has them in tier-4

Here is where we are deadlocked:

• ELA and I have Iowa in tier-3, Griller and @boilerbanger have them in tier-4
• Boiler and ELA have tOSU in tier-3, Griller and I have them in tier-4.  
• Griller and ELA have UMD in tier-4, Boiler and I have them in tier-5.  

Since I will not update until Friday anyway, we'll see what the results are this week:

• MSU is at Illinois on Thursday.  If the Spartans win there, they'll have to stay in tier-2 unless:
• NU is at PSU on Wednesday.  If they lose then they should probably stay where they are.  
• Rutgers hosts Indiana tomorrow.  They should win either way but MOV may matter.  
• Indiana is at Rutgers tomorrow.  If they win they obviously move up.  If they lose that is expected but the vote is 3-1 so ok.  
• Michigan is at Maryland on Thursday.  If they win then maybe ELA has a point.  Otherwise, not at this point.  
• Iowa is off until Friday.  
• Ohio State hosts Wisconsin on Wednesday.  If they win then maybe Boiler and ELA have a point but if they lose, no.  
• Maryland hosts Michigan on Thursday.  If they are to be moved up, they should win easily.  

[ELA]

If Dug is really done, I'd move Michigan to 5 as well

[SuperMario]

It always amuses me that rather than the "homer takes" that everyone expects, what we see a LOT of here is the exact opposite.  The Buckeye fan is almost ready to pencil in an "L" for the tOSU game in Ann Arbor and here comes the Wolverine fan to tell me I should mark it as a "W". 

Hahaha. It’s why we all stick around. 

[ELA]

Where is mdterps?  He was our one true homer

[NickSmith4Three]

Terrance Shannon Jr has filed or will fille soon a temporary restraining order against U of Illinois to be reinstated on the team.  

I will save all the rumors for the other message boards and reddit.  There is a lot going on with this case to say the least.

[ELA]

Terrance Shannon Jr has filed or will fille soon a temporary restraining order against U of Illinois to be reinstated on the team. 

I will save all the rumors for the other message boards and reddit.  There is a lot going on with this case to say the least.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1744775964049997907?t=s04IEaI-h1jLPviZkT-GCQ&s=19

[boilerbanger]

Terrance Shannon Jr has filed or will fille soon a temporary restraining order against U of Illinois to be reinstated on the team. 

I will save all the rumors for the other message boards and reddit.  There is a lot going on with this case to say the least.

I have heard rumors that this DA's conviction rate on these cases is not great, not sure what it means, hope the truth is found and justice is served accordingly and in a timely fashion.  I have a buddy that is an Illinois fan and filled me on some of the noise around this case.

[bayareabadger]

Suing to be able to play basketball usually goes well.

[medinabuckeye1]

Suing to be able to play basketball usually goes well.

Honestly, it *MIGHT* make a lot of sense in this case. The University of Illinois can basically be a benevolent adversary and not really "fight", lose, and be able to make everyone happy:

• To the people who think he should be suspended due to the seriousness of the charge: Illinois can say "We tried".
• To the people who think he should play because he is innocent until proven guilty: Illinois can say "He is playing".

[FearlessF]

A little Hilton magic working so far

Cyclones up on #2 Houston in Ames at the half 31-21