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SFBadger96

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8316 on: September 04, 2020, 12:08:58 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-details-shooting-portland-michael-reinoehl

My condolences OAF. One of your heroes has been eliminated.  To his credit he did fire 40 or 50 rounds trying to take out law-enforcement.
By all accounts, this guy was trash--regardless of political ideology, the idea of encouraging civil war is contemptible--and likely a murderer as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/michael-forest-reinoeh-killed-portland-shooting/2020/09/04/652f6e98-ed44-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_reinoehl-1227am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8317 on: September 04, 2020, 12:22:27 PM »
If there is confirmation of the disrespect to Marines at Belleau Wood, that, too, could cause a pretty big stir.
My brother sailed on the USS Belleau Wood on at least one of his deployments. He was a USMC CH-53E pilot at the time prior to going on to be a fixed-wing flight instructor and now flying for United after his retirement from the Corps. 

I'd love to get his thoughts on some of this stuff, but despite him living not more than ~20 minutes from me right now, we're estranged for unrelated issues.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8318 on: September 04, 2020, 12:23:53 PM »
By all accounts, this guy was trash--regardless of political ideology, the idea of encouraging civil war is contemptible--and likely a murderer as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/michael-forest-reinoeh-killed-portland-shooting/2020/09/04/652f6e98-ed44-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_reinoehl-1227am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html
Yeah, but that doesn't stop anyone from sitting there and trying to scour all his previous social media presence, any other online presence, in the hopes that they can prove that he was motivated by being from "the other side". 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8319 on: September 04, 2020, 12:24:47 PM »
That's what I don't get about this debate...

Right: "Democrats are evil!"

Entire world: "Trump is blatantly outright an evil, lying, narcissist with a fragile ego and is only in this for himself."

Right: "But at least he's not a Democrat! Look at what I found! One of them did something bad!"
You have eloquently discussed this phenomenon recently.  And now your exhibiting it with posts like this one.

First/ I am not sure there’s much of a debate at all here. I am not sure there’s much of a debate at all here  This form is exhibiting the exact traits you spoke of and the national narrative.

“trump is a worthless piece of shit. He caused the worldwide pandemic and is personally responsible for the deaths of over 180,000 people. He foments violence and is the reason our cities are burning as we speak and people are fleeing them faster than they can hire moving trucks. This was his plan all along and everybody knows it and anyone who disagrees is not as smart as me.”  “ Look, I have tons of anonymous sources to prove it“

”ok- so let’s discuss the national political landscape. What about the party of opposition, the Democrats?”
”No!  You cannot discuss that because that’s deflecting from what a worthless human being Donald J Trump is. You cannot discuss Democrats who have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, or who have done such a poor job with the Covid that they actually are responsible for many deaths, you cannot discuss that democratic cities have poorly handled the violence and if in fact encouraged it and in some ways funded it.” 

“why can’t we discuss those things?  What if we want to talk about national politics in general in the landscape? What if we want to talk about what other candidates might bring to the table?”

” No!  We can only talk about how horrible of a human being Donald Trump is.  Anything else you discuss proves that you are brainwashed and not part of reality?”




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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8320 on: September 04, 2020, 12:28:34 PM »
True story.

I'm a Tarantino movie fan. I find fault with plenty in his movies, but I enjoy most of them. Would be happy to discuss my reviews of his movies another time. Regardless, my current favorite is Inglorious Basterds. One reason is that it calls back to a time when we knew Nazis were the bad guys. 

My son is a WWII buff, stemming originally from his love of battleships because WWII was the apex of the battleship. However, his love of WWII sucked him into tanks as well, particularly German and Russian tanks. At 13 year old, I would bet he could outdo all but the best read historians among this group on the details of Operation Barbarossa. I bet CWS and CD could give him a run for his money, but I'd take odds against anyone else, including me.

So, a couple of years ago we started playing World of Tanks on the X Box. It appeals to our interest in tanks. And it's fun. It's a guilty pleasure--judge me if you must.

Anyway, the highest, best use of that game is in multi-player, where you play in two teams of 15 players. Your team is linked, and you can talk to the other members of your team. Generally, as with the anonymity of the internet, the "group chat" is a toxic mix of men screaming expletives at their teammates, blaming them for all manner of ills in the game. So we turn off the group chat feature. But you can also join a "platoon" that gets assigned to teams together. In that platoon, you can use the chat function to limit who you are talking to, so you're not involved in the toxicity of the anonymous group chat.

Over time you run into people that seem like minded enough that you join platoons with them. So the other night, I'm playing with a group of folks. One was from Pennsylvania, one Texas, and one somewhere I didn't catch. Texas guy says, so my grandfather as an SS officer in WWII, and served in Hitler's protection team. He starts to brag about it. Pennsylvania guy says, "How are we supposed to feel about the SS, now?" and these three guys laugh about it, but not the, "of course that's horrible" kind of laugh.

Now, there's some ambiguity here. Maybe Pennsylvania was trying to figure out how to address Texas's family's military history. I get that military service to one's country is an honorable pursuit, and it doesn't mean support for that country's terrible causes. Heck, I served in a war effort (to be clear, not combat service) that I fundamentally disagreed with. I get that; it wasn't my choice--I signed up to do what We the People told me to do, and I did it. I understand that. And I understand the pride in a family's historical military service. But the conversation I was listening too sure didn't sound like it was acknowledging and working around that ambiguity.

How did we get to a place where serving in the SS wasn't automatically a negative?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8322 on: September 04, 2020, 12:31:29 PM »
But what does that even mean? I don't want Wyoming determining the president, but they should get a say. How the heck are California and New York not supposed to get a say in who gets to be president?
Why don't you ask all the people who are fleeing those states (and Illinois)?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8323 on: September 04, 2020, 12:36:40 PM »
I also didn't care for Obama. But I would never accept a negative story about him where the source could not or would not be identified.
A negative story on that crook? When was that?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8324 on: September 04, 2020, 12:41:30 PM »
Two thoughts: whatever the reason for the memo re defunding Stars and Stripes, it happened well before this new accusation. The two aren't related--at least not in any direct way.

As for the narrative about people leaving California (and other places), it amuses me. Yes, people decide to move, some because they don't like the direction of the state government. But the state is still growing. One of the reasons people are leaving is the high cost of housing. Why is the housing so darned expensive? Supply and demand: as in the demand far outstrips the supply.

So good for the people cashing in--I have a friend who is about to become one of them, and literally may not have to work again while living in Ann Arbor--but I won't worry too much about the fleeing masses. My property value is safe (though maybe not from a major earthquake).

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8325 on: September 04, 2020, 12:41:52 PM »
Yeah, but that doesn't stop anyone from sitting there and trying to scour all his previous social media presence, any other online presence, in the hopes that they can prove that he was motivated by being from "the other side".


it needs scouring?  

https://twitter.com/breningstall/status/1301872818242686976?s=19
Your last Twitter trash about Trump has already been fully debunked by Bolton, who was there in person, and who hates Trump.

you probably believe this one too don’t you?  Lol
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8326 on: September 04, 2020, 12:46:53 PM »
HB--two more things we agree on!

(That the Stars and Stripes article was unrelated to this alleged contempt of the military; and that that leftist agitator idiot is contemptible.)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8327 on: September 04, 2020, 12:50:03 PM »
silly dems

working overtime to try and get the military on Biden's side

not gonna happen
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8328 on: September 04, 2020, 12:51:55 PM »
As for the narrative about people leaving California (and other places), it amuses me. Yes, people decide to move, some because they don't like the direction of the state government. But the state is still growing. One of the reasons people are leaving is the high cost of housing. Why is the housing so darned expensive? Supply and demand: as in the demand far outstrips the supply.
Rents are coming down. I know this, because I'm part of a partnership that owns 3500+ properties in the LA area.

Supply is going to outrun demand very soon. Population is for sure rising. Net income per capita is not going to keep up. People who don't work love California, as much or more as people who do work.

Anyway, the general partner is starting to unload properties, before it's too late and his limited partners lose money. Let me know if you are interested. :)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8329 on: September 04, 2020, 12:55:24 PM »
So we "should not be accepting their story" from anonymous sources about a politician who has made a persona as a petulant jerk acting like a petulant jerk, but we should be accepting when it comes to the machinations of a $750 million company? This seems incongruent.

I mean, I think it was in the last decade that a celebrity cited some unnamed stuff to argue for why the sitting POTUS was there illegally. And a person pushing that on all sorts of outlets was eventually seen as credible enough to be POTUS. What a world!

Anyway, if the assumption is that a person who has been disrespectful of the military in public wouldn't do it in private, we're at an impasse, I suppose.
How many times have we seen negative stories about Trump citing unnamed sources, that all turned out to be completely false? You believe as you wish. I will not hold my breath on this one, just like all of the others. When someone comes out with solid, substantiated evidence, I'll listen. Until then, this is simply more BS noise from the media that has been working 24/7 for the last 4 years to find something to try to take him out. Excuse me for not buying it. 

 

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