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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8302 on: September 04, 2020, 11:00:38 AM »
I mean, people are willing to back it up, they're not willing to put their name on it.

Do you feel that if 1-2 people said it, and a few more backed them up, you'd strongly believe it? Or would you dig in on those named people and ask why they're speaking up. Because when push comes to shove, they're not going to be perfect, both because the lord makes no perfect people, and when you share other people's misdeeds, that'll be taken as a fault even if done for upstanding reasons. (The sets aside the perfectly rational reason of not wanting one's name out there in that strangers will threaten to murder them or do other manner of gross things)

It's an interesting exercise in where and how we use our skepticism.
Such a high percentage of stuff that he has been accused of has proven to be 100% completely false. There lies my skepticism
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8303 on: September 04, 2020, 11:07:39 AM »
I'm just enjoying CWS as the fake news, libtard of the group. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8305 on: September 04, 2020, 11:32:35 AM »
Yes, that's his opinion that the sources remain unnamed or risk their gov't job, but it's based on past evidence.  Even you know that Trump gets rid of you for saying any tiny, microscopic thing he deems negative or critical of himself. 

You and HB are examples of why every conversation about Trump turns to shit.  You immediately dismiss any and all stories/reports of Trump being less than amazing.  You're on your knees for him 24/7 and it's sad.
Haha.  This is rich. The conversations about Trump which you guys bring up, are shit to start with LOL

Why don’t you start talking about all of the politicians who are assholes. Why must you focus on Trump especially adding false fuel to the fire when all these other idiots are doing all these other stupid things?  Trump is a buffoon. That’s a given. But let’s talk about the entire political landscape instead of quoting “anonymous sources”and piling on
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8306 on: September 04, 2020, 11:33:23 AM »
For what it's worth it's been confirmed by various other news agencies
Fake. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8307 on: September 04, 2020, 11:34:25 AM »
Wow, you're on the payroll.  What planet are you on?
Why don’t you go back upstairs and tell mom you want milk and cookies. That way you’ll be out of the basement for a while
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8308 on: September 04, 2020, 11:39:21 AM »
You're about 1 pandemic behind the rest of us.
I guess that makes me two behind.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8309 on: September 04, 2020, 11:44:16 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-details-shooting-portland-michael-reinoehl

My condolences OAF. One of your heroes has been eliminated.  To his credit he did fire 40 or 50 rounds trying to take out law-enforcement.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8310 on: September 04, 2020, 11:45:49 AM »
The tweet is quoting a piece in The Atlantic
The Atlantic. Oh, OK, that's credible for sure then. Probably more so than the Pacific.

I'd rather read the Athletic.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8311 on: September 04, 2020, 11:54:13 AM »
I guess that where most adults are at yet at least half can't see the appalling bomblasts from the other side of the political isle
That's what I don't get about this debate...

Right: "Democrats are evil!"

Entire world: "Trump is blatantly outright an evil, lying, narcissist with a fragile ego and is only in this for himself."

Right: "But at least he's not a Democrat! Look at what I found! One of them did something bad!"

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8312 on: September 04, 2020, 12:02:02 PM »
I'm just enjoying CWS as the fake news, libtard of the group.
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Me too. From everything I can tell, CWS is a libertarian-leaning Republican. 

But he's being excommunicated from "his tribe" because he dares point out the Emporer is naked.

I mean, I shouldn't say I'm "enjoying" it. It's quite sad. It speaks quite poignantly to what makes me so depressed about human nature, that I've covered extensively in this thread over the last 1-2 weeks. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8313 on: September 04, 2020, 12:03:40 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-details-shooting-portland-michael-reinoehl

My condolences OAF. One of your heroes has been eliminated.  To his credit he did fire 40 or 50 rounds trying to take out law-enforcement.
I don't think this is "fair" personally.  I doubt he is anyone's "hero" who posts here.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8314 on: September 04, 2020, 12:04:43 PM »
Maybe CWS doesn't have a "tribe".  I know I don't.  I have a loosely held group of "notions" some of which are con and some of which would be viewed as lib, and I don't know if any of them are really correct.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8315 on: September 04, 2020, 12:05:19 PM »
Allegations like these are of particular interest because of their potential to impact our tribal instincts. My conservative Marine friends place their membership in the Marines very high in their bundle of tribal identifications. When people like Mattis and Kelly--both highly respected Marines--start to question Trump, that starts forces a reckoning between their tribal instincts. Mattis is already on record opposing Trump. That's a pretty big deal.

Kelly has so far been rather circumspect. If he confirms what his friend told these reporters about Trump's callousness to him at his son's grave on Memorial Day, that will be another chink in the armor. If there is confirmation of the disrespect to Marines at Belleau Wood, that, too, could cause a pretty big stir.

I think I said above (somewhere--gawd, this is a long thread) that one of my curiosities about Trump is his remarkably consistent support. 38-43%, plus the margin of error; no matter what is happening and what he's done. This stands in contrast to every President who came before him, who saw their approval ratings sway wildly depending on what was going on and what they were doing. It isn't especially remarkable that a President with negative approval ratings has a chance at reelection: Obama and W both succeeded despite poor polling before the election. And Obama--much like Trump--pursued a reelection strategy surgically focused on getting reelected, not winning the popular vote (though he did win both). 

What is remarkable is that no matter what Trump does, he keeps the same level of support. So the question I have from articles like the Atlantic's (and the other media organizations who say they have confirmed aspects of that article) is whether it impacts that support. It won't impact it a lot, but as LH320 points out (I think it was him), this election will be decided by small changes in voters' attitudes, not big ones. 

So--does this report lead to military/veterans questioning their past support for Trump? Will one of my buddies, a proud "deplorable," and former Marine--question his allegiance to Trump over this? His reaction right now will be the same as many on this thread: anonymous = fake news. But what if Kelly goes on the record? What if others do? It probably won't change his mind, but it might make him reconsider which tribe is more important to him. It might.

And if it does, that's one of those small changes in voter attitudes that could matter come November 3. 

[To be clear, I am not "worried" in the sense that LH320 is rather bellicose about, but I am a realist. I think Biden wins, and I think it's not razor thin--though that's in the eye of the beholder--but I look at the polling, which I trust, and see that Trump absolutely has a non-trivial chance, even if the polling numbers stay exactly as they are now up to election day.]

 

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