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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6664 on: August 25, 2020, 09:42:19 AM »
Which has what to do with what?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6665 on: August 25, 2020, 09:47:18 AM »
City and law enforcement leaders in Kenosha, Wisconsin, unanimously endorsed the use of body cameras in 2017 as a way to increase police accountability and collect evidence at scenes of domestic violence, among other benefits.

But since then, they have balked at the price tag, raised policy concerns and put off implementation. The delays meant that officers who were on the scene of Sunday’s shooting of Jacob Blake while responding to a domestic call were not equipped with technology that could give their perspective on an incident that has roiled the nation.


“This is a tragedy. But at least some good could come from this if this is finally the incident where Kenosha says, ‘we’ve got to get body cameras on these cops right away’,” said Kevin Mathewson, a former member of the common council.

Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian confirmed Monday that current plans call for the city to buy them in 2022 — more than five years after he endorsed their adoption. Kenosha officers do have cameras in their squad cars, but it’s unclear whether any captured the shooting.

Mathewson pushed the city to buy cameras during his tenure on the council from 2012 to 2017, saying he saw them as a tool to remove bad police officers from the department after a series of troubling use-of-force and misconduct incidents. Body cameras became particularly popular nationwide as a way to improve policing after the 2014 fatal shooting of Michael Brown, a Black 18-year-old, by a white officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

Mathewson recalled proposing a budget amendment to buy the equipment in early 2017 and hitting resistance from the mayor, police chief and other council members, who argued that would be unwise without clear state regulations governing their use.


Kenosha initially planned to buy the cameras this year, but funding shortfalls and technological concerns prompted the city to push that back to 2022, said Rocco LaMacchia, chairman of the council’s public safety committee.

“We have moved it back so many times,” he said. “I got a feeling this is going to move up on the ladder really fast because of what’s going on around the United States right now. Body cameras are a necessity. There’s no doubt about it.”

Of the Blake shooting, he said, “The body camera footage on this one would have told right from wrong right away.”

The city’s current plans call for purchasing 175 Axon body cameras from Taser International and a five-year evidence storage and maintenance plan in 2022. After the first year, the city would incur an estimated $145,000 cost annually for using Evidence.com to store video evidence.


He said the cameras are helpful but have not turned out to be the game-changing reform that many had hoped. One reason: Some officers fail to activate their cameras during life-and-death encounters, he said.

An increasing number of studies also suggest the cameras do not change how often officers use force.

In Milwaukee, officers used slightly less force after starting to wear cameras at first but then returned quickly to normal levels, said Daniel Lawrence, a researcher at the Urban Institute in Washington, D.C., who studied their adoption.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6666 on: August 25, 2020, 10:02:37 AM »
Michael Brown was caught on Camera smacking around an elderly black man and an immigrant store owner as he robbed the store.Then not surrendering his weapon as he waved it around right in front of the cop.The only reason his name is brought up I think is to show the importance of a body cam.I hope justice is served and this blatant vandalism ceases
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6667 on: August 25, 2020, 10:10:45 AM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6668 on: August 25, 2020, 10:14:31 AM »
While it would indeed be fun to mow down a group of looters with your AR15, they are not worth the legal ramifications that you would face as a result.

Thus, evacuation is the best course of action, imo.
Ahhh yes, a reminder both that thuggishness is just a matter of perspective and that despite the importance of firearms in our body of law, we can't avoid consistently treating them with a certain puerile attitude. 


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6669 on: August 25, 2020, 10:20:16 AM »
I would use them if I had to. Thankfully, I have not had to make that decision.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6670 on: August 25, 2020, 10:23:40 AM »
I personally would avoid use of a gun unless necessary.  I would not view it as any kind of fun to shoot another human, ever.

It might be necessary, but not fun.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6671 on: August 25, 2020, 10:32:20 AM »

For me and how I think... I'm already skeptical of an organization (BLM) whose leaders openly admit to being Marxist. When they get behind events like the last two nights, calling in professional rioters from other cities?

I don't think you can call them professionals. That implies pay, and probably consistent pay.

I think they're more of hobbyist rioters. But like serious hobbyists.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6672 on: August 25, 2020, 10:38:23 AM »
The DJIA is swapping out three stocks primarily because of the Apple split, which goes to show what an odd kind of average it is.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6673 on: August 25, 2020, 10:54:54 AM »
Interesting.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6674 on: August 25, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »
I don't think you can call them professionals. That implies pay, and probably consistent pay.

I think they're more of hobbyist rioters. But like serious hobbyists.
Many of them do get paid a nominal fee. Last night, carloads were coming from Milwaukee and Chicago, on I-94. License plates covered and all that. State police had most of the exits blocked, but still, many found their way in.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6675 on: August 25, 2020, 11:10:16 AM »
Ahhh yes, a reminder both that thuggishness is just a matter of perspective and that despite the importance of firearms in our body of law, we can't avoid consistently treating them with a certain puerile attitude.
Perhaps they can visit a neighborhood near you then you can so elquently deal with them with your wise counsel
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6676 on: August 25, 2020, 11:16:30 AM »
I would guess in some cases protests may attract looters from outside, at night, the compensation being ability to loot without consequence.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6677 on: August 25, 2020, 11:25:01 AM »
I would guess after seeing this for quite some time it's a planned ruse.Supposed peaceful protesters then thugs come in behind them and fan out.Like a flying wedge of derelicts
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