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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6062 on: August 08, 2020, 12:11:02 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 07, 2020, 09:06:43 PM
How would you describe his opponent's utterances?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6063 on: August 08, 2020, 12:11:56 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 07, 2020, 11:47:36 PM
Voters aren't informed now, as it is. 
wonder why that is.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6064 on: August 08, 2020, 01:29:17 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 07, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Saying something is fraught without telling what it is fraught with makes me fraught with anger. :96:
It usually brings charges of racism, as do voter ID laws.
And there may be some racism on some occasions--I don't know.
But North Carolina had a higher percentage of black voters vote after a voter ID law went into effect.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6065 on: August 08, 2020, 01:35:28 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 07, 2020, 02:02:43 PM
Here is a study on states based on how easy or hard it is to vote.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/elj.2017.0478

This is not a left v. right dichotomy, policies widely vary on all sorts of factors.  For example, is there early voting, is it easy to vote by mail, is voter registration automatic, etc. etc.  We know there are examples of legislatures intentionally trying to prevent poeple from voting.  For example, in North Carolina they came up with a voter ID scheme where they studied what kinds of ID's white and black voters might use and then disqualified the ones black people use more.  That was illegal and was overturned, but in my view, any restriction which makes it more difficult to vote and isn't justified by something pretty substantial is an unacceptable restriction on voting.  Corruption is often the reason - instead of valuing the people, the people in charge value being in charge.
You have to have an ID to get in the National Air and Space Museum.

IMO, voting is a far more important civic power than getting into the NASM.  I support laws that make it hard for people to vote who aren't supposed to vote. If the proposed law in North Carolina had a disparate impact on black citizens, then it would have been a bad one.  I think they ended up with a state-provided ID and black voter participation was higher after the change than before.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6066 on: August 08, 2020, 01:41:02 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 07, 2020, 09:14:40 PM
All citizens should be registered to vote and would have to opt out.  And election day should be a federal holiday. 

More people voting = good for everyone, right?  Right?  RIGHT?
So you'll be happy when 100% of Trump voters show up on election day?

Just my way of saying that higher voter turnout does not necessarily produce better outcomes.  The marginal voters of whatever political persuasion tend to be uninformed idiots.  I do not hope that uninformed idiots turn out in great numbers.

Good government is a higher good than high voter turnout, IMO.

Many of the "reforms" of the Progressive Era had the impact--as desired--of reducing voter turnout, BTW.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6067 on: August 08, 2020, 01:43:02 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 07, 2020, 09:22:31 PM
One of the many regrettable side effects of the pretend "right v. left" has been the sacrifice of the idea that voting is a great thing and people should do be able to do it.  Now it's all "what politicians does this benefit" instead of what is good for the country.  It's so easy to get swept up in that crap.
The notion that high voter turnout is a good thing was lost over 100 years ago during the Progressive Era.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6068 on: August 08, 2020, 07:22:46 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 08, 2020, 01:41:02 AM
So you'll be happy when 100% of Trump voters show up on election day?

Just my way of saying that higher voter turnout does not necessarily produce better outcomes.  The marginal voters of whatever political persuasion tend to be uninformed idiots.  I do not hope that uninformed idiots turn out in great numbers.

Good government is a higher good than high voter turnout, IMO.

Many of the "reforms" of the Progressive Era had the impact--as desired--of reducing voter turnout, BTW.
The goal isn't necessarily higher turnout.  People can vote or not as they wish.  The goal is to reduce barriers to voting because that leads to democratic outcomes and a government people can have faith in.  The "progressives" had almost the exact same arguments as we see today - using the lip service to "secure elections" as a way to reduce participation among minorities who were less likely to vote for them.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6069 on: August 08, 2020, 08:39:24 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 07, 2020, 09:06:43 PM
How would you describe his opponent's utterances?
This is the difference  between Biden’s gaffes and Trump’s gaffes, imo.  I feel comfortable making fun of Trump because I think he’s just a doofus showing he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.  Mispronouncing Thailand and Yosemite just makes me roll my eyes and shake my head.

I don’t feel comfortable making fun of Biden.  It feels inappropriate.  Biden loses his train of thought. He seems genuinely confused at times. I want to send Trump to a teacher. I want to send Biden to a neurologist.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6070 on: August 08, 2020, 08:46:24 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 08, 2020, 01:41:02 AM
So you'll be happy when 100% of Trump voters show up on election day?

Just my way of saying that higher voter turnout does not necessarily produce better outcomes.  The marginal voters of whatever political persuasion tend to be uninformed idiots.  I do not hope that uninformed idiots turn out in great numbers.

Good government is a higher good than high voter turnout, IMO.

Many of the "reforms" of the Progressive Era had the impact--as desired--of reducing voter turnout, BTW.
The dems arent doing much to keep that from happening

every day they do something new to fire up Trumps base

Hey I know lets sue the NRA ...... is just another example
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6071 on: August 08, 2020, 11:06:51 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 08, 2020, 01:41:02 AM
So you'll be happy when 100% of Trump voters show up on election day?

Just my way of saying that higher voter turnout does not necessarily produce better outcomes.  The marginal voters of whatever political persuasion tend to be uninformed idiots.  I do not hope that uninformed idiots turn out in great numbers.

Good government is a higher good than high voter turnout, IMO.

Many of the "reforms" of the Progressive Era had the impact--as desired--of reducing voter turnout, BTW.
To the bold, I kinda would. But as I've said, I'm big on process and voice. The uninformed idiots are part of the price of this great experiment. And I don't know if that leads to good gov or not. 

Because I'm just curious, what were those reforms? It's been a hot minute since I took a close look at that era.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6072 on: August 08, 2020, 11:11:01 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 08, 2020, 08:46:24 AM
The dems arent doing much to keep that from happening

every day they do something new to fire up Trumps base

Hey I know lets sue the NRA ...... is just another example
Without 100 percent agreeing to the premise, I will say the right does have a mastery of narrative judo. Like the left does something and gets flipped on its back via it's own punch. There was a time when SJW was a term of pride. It lasts like four days. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6073 on: August 08, 2020, 11:53:01 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 08, 2020, 11:06:51 AM
To the bold, I kinda would. But as I've said, I'm big on process and voice. The uninformed idiots are part of the price of this great experiment. And I don't know if that leads to good gov or not.

Because I'm just curious, what were those reforms? It's been a hot minute since I took a close look at that era.
Thank you for your first paragraph. You have restored my faith in you LOL
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6074 on: August 08, 2020, 11:55:25 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 08, 2020, 11:06:51 AM
To the bold, I kinda would. But as I've said, I'm big on process and voice. The uninformed idiots are part of the price of this great experiment. And I don't know if that leads to good gov or not.

Because I'm just curious, what were those reforms? It's been a hot minute since I took a close look at that era.
The particular ones to reduce voter turnout were having a series of elections throughout the year, on off-years, etc.  The reason voter turnout was high was that party precinct leaders got the vote out by going door to door to harangue their party members.  The party leadership, from precinct leader on up, figured to get something in return if their party won.  But they couldn't keep making that maximum effort 3 or 4 times a year.

Partly this was about breaking the power of the parties.  Direct election of Senators was another aspect of the same thing.  But also it was about de-incentivizing voters so that only the right ones--the committed Progressives--would turn out on election day.
Scientific racism was pretty well imbedded in the Progressive movement.  You can look back at political cartoons from that era and find lots of emphasis on "race suicide," as the old, established protestant upper-class was being outbred by the teeming masses of immigrants.

Here's an example.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6075 on: August 08, 2020, 11:58:14 AM »
The Afghan Quarterback
The coach had put together the perfect team for the Chicago Bears. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.

Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan . In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghan soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.

KABOOM!

He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.

KA-BLOOEY!

Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.

BULLS-EYE!

"I've got to get this guy!" Coach said to himself. "He has the perfect arm!"

So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Bears go on to win the Super Bowl.

The young Afghan is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his mother.

"Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!"

"I don't want to talk to you, the old woman says."You are not my son!"

"I don't think you understand, Mother," the young man pleads. "I've won the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans."

"No! Let me tell you!" his mother retorts. "At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,

"I will never forgive you for making us move to Chicago!!!


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