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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2506 on: June 02, 2020, 04:18:40 PM »
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With cities across America in turmoil over the death of George Floyd, a U.S. lawmaker plans to introduce legislation this week that he hopes will end a pattern of police violence by allowing victims to sue officers for illegal and unconstitutional acts.

U.S. Representative Justin Amash, a former Republican turned Libertarian, won support from a Minneapolis Democrat on Monday for his “Ending Qualified Immunity Act,” which would allow civil lawsuits against police, a recourse that the Supreme Court has all but done away with.

The high court's adoption (here) of the qualified immunity doctrine has largely shielded police from financial settlements for victims or grieving families. The doctrine protects cops even when courts determine that officers violate civil rights, a Reuters investigation showed here

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-congress-idUSKBN23831W?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR38JBY9NeUROBOhmZ_wRs1JQNdZzNZ8bfF6BKNw2QXIha7dRj5uOZO7Z9g
This is a very solid idea.  I was disappointed that Amash decided not to run for the Libertarian Party's nomination, but I think that he realized that he would probably take more votes from Biden than from Trump.
Qualified immunity was questionable when the SCOTUS enunciated it in (IIRC) 1982, and the interpretations of it since have just gone more in the direction of shielding police officers and other public officials from their own bad actions.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2507 on: June 02, 2020, 04:29:27 PM »
You should be free to use your wealth independently.  I think the whole idea of the media is an obvious, dangerous line when it comes to politics. 
The founding fathers couldn't anticipate one person directly influencing millions of people every day. 
Charles Koch is free to donate the same max amount to a campaign as you or I.
Fox is free to continue providing the news.

But beyond that, no.  One man shouldn't be donating to 30 different races, including districts he's never even been to.  No, news channels shouldn't provide 1% news and 99% commentary in an attempt to attract viewers to gain advertisers. 

It's all broken.
It may all be broken, but you can't defend your position on any moral or philosophical principle.  You don't like who Charles Koch (not even on the list of top 100 donors according to OpenSecrets.org) donates to, so you want to limit his ability to donate.  He can donate to one campaign, but not to 30?  Why?  Could he be "allowed" to donate to two campaigns?  How about three?  Where and how and on what principle do you draw the line and say, "No more donations by you"?
Where are your calls to keep George Soros (the number 15 donor) from donating money?  Or Thomas Steyer, the number one donor?
Surely you are not just saying that you want people who disagree with you to be prohibited from donating?
As an aside, I do not understand the antipathy toward the Koch brothers.  They are (or in the case of David Koch, were) basically libertarians.  Many of the causes they support I do not support.  But for them to have been presented by--ahem!--one end of the political spectrum as the source of all evil in politics is just ludicrous.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2508 on: June 02, 2020, 04:33:18 PM »
OAM is just flailing in my view with half facts and complete misunderstandings of election law.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2509 on: June 02, 2020, 04:35:07 PM »
For an individual like you or me, to gain a news platform, would have to become a journalist or a newscaster.  Or become an expert in a field in which you'd be a source for said platforms. 

I understand that it may seem nonsensical to peel money from speech, but I'm committing the sin of what SHOULD be.
I have to become a "journalist"?  What does that mean?  Do I have to get a license?

You've got government determining who can and who can't speak further than (to use Bwarb's example) further than across the fence to his neighbor.  That's not what we fought the British for 8 years to establish.
That's not what the great civil libertarians--including 19th-century abolitionists like Frederick Douglass and William Lloyd Garrison--have fought to sustain.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2510 on: June 02, 2020, 04:37:57 PM »
annnnnd the super pacs can make massive contributions to politicians/parties?
No.  They cannot donate to the parties or to individual politicians.  They can make ads in favor of issues.  The may not coordinate these ads with political campaigns under penalty of law.
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« Reply #2511 on: June 02, 2020, 04:38:35 PM »
As an aside, I do not understand the antipathy toward the Koch brothers.  They are (or in the case of David Koch, were) basically libertarians.  Many of the causes they support I do not support.  But for them to have been presented by--ahem!--one end of the political spectrum as the source of all evil in politics is just ludicrous.
The Kochs, like Citizens United, are something that is thrown out by people on the left who don't understand the issues as a catchall bogeyman for things they don't like and are ruining the country.

Just as the right does that to Soros and the "liberal media".

It's so much easier to come up with the amorphous bogeyman behind the scenes, and if we could fix this one simple thing we'd have a functioning political system again. And the one simple thing always, ALWAYS, is believed to benefit our opponents more than ourselves.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2512 on: June 02, 2020, 04:42:15 PM »
The Kochs, like Citizens United, are something that is thrown out by people on the left who don't understand the issues as a catchall bogeyman for things they don't like and are ruining the country.

Just as the right does that to Soros and the "liberal media".

It's so much easier to come up with the amorphous bogeyman behind the scenes, and if we could fix this one simple thing we'd have a functioning political system again. And the one simple thing always, ALWAYS, is believed to benefit our opponents more than ourselves.
Our donors are always public-spirited good guys.  Their guys are always evildoers hell-bent on undermining the foundations of the Republic.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2513 on: June 02, 2020, 04:45:36 PM »
Surely you are not just saying that you want people who disagree with you to be prohibited from donating?

No, I'm talking about anyone - the Koch Bros are just someone everyone knows.  

And I'm not suggesting they can't donate.  I'm saying a billionaire should not be able to donate more than I can, when it comes to political campaigns.  Campaigns should earn more based on the number of donations, not the amounts.  If this is already the case, then great.  

Is there something horrible with me wanting it limited to your own, home district/county/state?  I don't like the fact that a billionaire can sprinkle their money among 12 different, tight races to sway them all one way.  

I guess I'm just wanting equality in political monies.  How dare I.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2514 on: June 02, 2020, 04:46:20 PM »
Our donors are always public-spirited good guys.  Their guys are always evildoers hell-bent on undermining the foundations of the Republic.
Yeah, it was just about name recognition, guys.  FFS

Both parties are corrupt and broken.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2515 on: June 02, 2020, 04:46:35 PM »
Start by getting your facts straight instead of making things up from what you think you heard.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2516 on: June 02, 2020, 04:48:34 PM »
Start by getting your facts straight instead of making things up from what you think you heard.


Fuck off.  I asked a question and you went off on me, and continue to.  


?  - THIS IS A QUESTION MARK.  When it is used, a question is being asked.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2517 on: June 02, 2020, 04:49:42 PM »
I guess nobody can talk about politics except over the fence to their neighbor, and that'll solve the problem!
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« Reply #2518 on: June 02, 2020, 04:51:14 PM »
Fuck off.  I asked a question and you went off on me, and continue to. 


?  - THIS IS A QUESTION MARK.  When it is used, a question is being asked. 
Does somebody need a hug or a time out?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2519 on: June 02, 2020, 04:51:58 PM »
Does somebody need a hug or a time out?
He's trying to penalize me for seeking information.  He needs an adult diaper change.
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