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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2492 on: June 02, 2020, 04:02:55 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on June 02, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
OK.  How and when do I--with no large stash of money--get the same platform as the one that the Washington Post has?  Or Fox News?  Do those two entities have to divest themselves of money and operated on donations from passersby?
"Money needs to be removed from speech" is just cant.
For an individual like you or me, to gain a news platform, would have to become a journalist or a newscaster.  Or become an expert in a field in which you'd be a source for said platforms.  

I understand that it may seem nonsensical to peel money from speech, but I'm committing the sin of what SHOULD be.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2493 on: June 02, 2020, 04:05:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2020, 03:56:39 PM
You should be free to use your wealth independently.  I think the whole idea of the media is an obvious, dangerous line when it comes to politics. 
The founding fathers couldn't anticipate one person directly influencing millions of people every day. 
Charles Koch is free to donate the same max amount to a campaign as you or I.
Fox is free to continue providing the news.

But beyond that, no.  One man shouldn't be donating to 30 different races, including districts he's never even been to.  No, news channels shouldn't provide 1% news and 99% commentary in an attempt to attract viewers to gain advertisers. 

It's all broken.
Koch is now limited in campaign donations to the same limit I am.  I don't understand your beef.

Nor what this has to do with police violence.

I don't think your understand the CU opinion.

For that, we need to look at another court case — SpeechNow.org v. FEC. The lower-court case used the Citizens United case as precedent when it said that limits on contributions to groups that make independent expenditures are unconstitutional.

And that’s what led to the creation of the super PACs, which act as shadow political parties. They accept unlimited donations from billionaires, corporations and unions and use it to buy advertising, most of it negative.



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2494 on: June 02, 2020, 04:07:51 PM »
Okay, but what about Koch's companies?  Are there limits on what they can donate?  If he has 30 companies, can they make 30 massive contributions?  


There's got to be a way to reel this in.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2495 on: June 02, 2020, 04:09:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
Okay, but what about Koch's companies?  Are there limits on what they can donate?  If he has 30 companies, can they make 30 massive contributions? 


There's got to be a way to reel this in.
No, they cannot make "massive contributions" legally under FEC laws.  You have this really badly wrong in your head.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2496 on: June 02, 2020, 04:10:08 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 02, 2020, 04:09:30 PM
No, they cannot make "massive contributions" legally under FEC laws.  You have this really badly wrong in your head.
They can make massive contributions to Super PACs.

They cannot make massive contributions to politicians or political parties.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2497 on: June 02, 2020, 04:10:14 PM »
btw, I really appreciate all of you guys.  

Sometimes I want to pull my hair out and we get pissy, but I would march/protest for you to give your opinions that disagree with mine.  

We all just want people to live good lives and take care of each other, as fantastical as that may forever be.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2498 on: June 02, 2020, 04:10:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
Actually, the first thing I'd do as president would be to remove all money from 'the news.' 
Producing the news would be a public service and an hour would be set aside for no advertising.  Ratings would not be kept.  If a company wanted to do the news, they'd have to volunteer that time and whatever it cost to do so. 
If 24/7 news channels wanted to continue, they'd do it at their own cost.
Fortunately, the president does not have the power to wave his mighty hand and "remove all money from 'the news.'"
24/7 news channels already do it at their own cost.  They defray those costs with advertising.
How do you find a way to allow Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and every other late-night comedian to continue to make political comments but ban Sean Hannity from making his?
Are you, as POTUS, going to censor entertainment shows to make sure that nothing political is said?
BTW, political speech is the fundamental reason for the 1st Amendment.  The Framers weren't ensuring that pornographers faced no scrutiny; it was all about the most important speech of all--speech criticizing the government.  And press for exactly the same reason.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2499 on: June 02, 2020, 04:10:41 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 02, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
They can make massive contributions to Super PACs.

They cannot make massive contributions to politicians or political parties.
annnnnd the super pacs can make massive contributions to politicians/parties?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2500 on: June 02, 2020, 04:13:03 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 02, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
do you think white cops and black cops haven't killed unarmed white men and continue to do so?  Or that black cops haven't killed black men?

it may not happen as often as white cops and black men, but this isn't ALL about race.

IMO, it's more about abuse of power and authority, without accountability

w/o the video, there would be no accountability here.

my suggestion is to require cops to wear and record their activities with a body camera.  This is just an idea, but I feel it could easily be done and it could easily help
Unfortunately, police unions mostly oppose this.  And that is part of the problem too.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2501 on: June 02, 2020, 04:14:32 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on June 02, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
Fortunately, the president does not have the power to wave his mighty hand and "remove all money from 'the news.'"
24/7 news channels already do it at their own cost.  They defray those costs with advertising.
How do you find a way to allow Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and every other late-night comedian to continue to make political comments but ban Sean Hannity from making his?
Are you, as POTUS, going to censor entertainment shows to make sure that nothing political is said?
BTW, political speech is the fundamental reason for the 1st Amendment.  The Framers weren't ensuring that pornographers faced no scrutiny; it was all about the most important speech of all--speech criticizing the government.  And press for exactly the same reason.
I wouldn't ban anyone from making political comments, but I'd differentiate news channels and non-news channels.  Hannity and Stewart (outdated, it's Trevor Noah) could produce the same shows they do now, just not on designated "news" networks.  
So basically nothing would change for the Daily Show and either Hannity would have to move to a different, non-news channel or Fox News would no longer warrant the "news channel" distinction.


I'm not anti-first amendment here, I think I'm just wanting a designation of news vs non-news.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2502 on: June 02, 2020, 04:14:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2020, 04:10:41 PM
annnnnd the super pacs can make massive contributions to politicians/parties?
NO, they cannot, legally, at all.  You are way off on this.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2503 on: June 02, 2020, 04:16:34 PM »
People watch MSNBC and FoxNews and think they're watching "the news", when they largely aren't.  They're watching an avalanche of commentary and spin.  

There needs to be a separation, because the populace isn't smart enough or is too lazy to care.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2504 on: June 02, 2020, 04:16:40 PM »
My simple political speech partial solution is to ban the use of anyone's NAME in any ad EXCEPT your own candidate's name if it's your campaign's ad.  Super PACs can run "issue ads" but they cannot mention the name of an individual.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2505 on: June 02, 2020, 04:17:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 02, 2020, 04:14:57 PM
NO, they cannot, legally, at all.  You are way off on this.

Calm down, hence the question mark.  I'm asking.  Have a conversation, quit REACTING.
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