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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2380 on: June 01, 2020, 01:09:58 PM »
intimidation has long been used by the police force as a tool to control the public and get what they want

some folks push back when intimidated
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2381 on: June 01, 2020, 01:10:31 PM »
Does any of this justify the widespread looting, arson and physical violence being committed?
absolutely not


some folks are not logical
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2382 on: June 01, 2020, 01:12:09 PM »
Does any of this justify the widespread looting, arson and physical violence being committed?
I don't think anyone is suggesting this is okay.  You're arguing with a wall.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2383 on: June 01, 2020, 01:13:44 PM »
I don't think anyone is suggesting this is okay.  You're arguing with a wall.



I am not arguing.  I asked a simple question. 
the conversation here is all about the police. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2384 on: June 01, 2020, 01:20:06 PM »
I've yet to see anyone defending obvious cases of excessive force by the police OR the rioting/looting/damage being done by others.

It's pretty easy to be against both obviously.

I interact with police officers almost daily here.  With the COVID thing they have been very evident in the park, I often have a chance to chat briefly with them.  The past few days of course I saw none in the park.  They also often are sitting on a chair outside a large construction project.  I gather at times they are needed to halt traffic or direct pedestrians.  We once wanted to get from A to B and the street was closed and some linemen were working overhead and we were going to turn around and a lady cop said "Hey, come on, I can take you through to the other side.".  She was very pleasant about it, the easier thing for her was to direct us to go around.+

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2385 on: June 01, 2020, 02:25:29 PM »
I am not arguing.  I asked a simple question.
the conversation here is all about the police.
The conversation is about the police because the kind of illegal inhumane shit they pull and always get away is horrifically wrong and evil.

The rioters and looters are also wrong. But nobody was rioting and looting until yet another video of a police officer murdering someone in cold blood for no reason whatsoever surfaced.

Biden’s front runner for VP and the medias “liberal” female starlet of the year Amy Kloubacher has blood on her hands. She had the opportunity to prosecute an officer named Derek Chauvin who violated the law and committed acts that would send anyone else to jail when she was a prosecutor in Minnesota. She decided not to pursue that case. Why?What happened not but a decade later? This same piece of shit filth and disgrace of a human being Derek Chauvin murdered someone. Put the white woke Karen in jail with Chauvin if you ask me. She’s actually worse than he is. At least she had the power to do something to seek justice for the victims Chauvin brutalized. And instead of not prosecuting him and putting him behind bars where he belongs, she did nothing. And the asshole murdered someone in cold blood when he should’ve been behind bars. Had she done her fucking duty this would have never happened. Chauvin wouldn’t be a police officer, he’d be behind bars. She chose not to because she’s a typical hypocritical piece of shit politician who says one thing and does another, and who believes in nothing but advancing her political career and glorifying herself.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2386 on: June 01, 2020, 05:24:58 PM »
I think APCs are rolled out in SWAT situations. I don't think they're very commonly "used".

Or more accurately, the question exists: in the absence of having an APC, could the SWAT team effectively neutralize a threat without great risk to their own personnel?

I'd argue that in most cases they can.
why should they have to

with kind of logic lets take the dogs and horses away cause they remind me of German guards and the wild wild west
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2387 on: June 01, 2020, 05:39:50 PM »
If the police were using APCs to run over protesters, I'd say they should be taken away, but I don't see that.

There are tactical situations where some APCs can mean the difference between control of a bad situation with few/no police casualties and asking your police to go into a very hostile situation with nothing more than body armor.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2388 on: June 01, 2020, 05:46:33 PM »
why should they have to

with kind of logic lets take the dogs and horses away cause they remind me of German guards and the wild wild west
The concern is simple. When you become equipped like a soldier, you approach the world as if you're at war. 

Have these police departments gone to the people they are sworn to protect and justified why they really really need an APC to do their jobs, and to justify the purchase? No. 

They just need to submit an application to the feds and get it for free. And then they feel like they need to use it, lest it be wasted capability.

Looking at that 1033 program, it seems like MOST of what the feds transfer makes sense. It's not all ridiculous things like APCs.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2389 on: June 01, 2020, 05:51:38 PM »
I disagree that having a few APCs that almost always are in storage or used in training has anything to do with how a street patrolman views his job.  It makes zero sense to me.  The officers are out on bikes, motorcycles, cruisers, horses, or on foot, they are not riding around in some APC.  It's irrelevant to them and only used by very specialized elements in extreme situations.

And the average patrolman is not remotely equipped like my son was when in combat.  There is almost no comparison.

You could take out every APC and it would have zero effect on the rank and file.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2390 on: June 01, 2020, 06:17:44 PM »
 they remind me of German guards and the wild wild west

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2391 on: June 01, 2020, 06:28:34 PM »
I think we overuse SWAT teams, to be honest. 

Taking this back to the war on drugs, we have a problem with no-knock raids where we use a SWAT team to force entry on a house [which is only necessary so they can't flush the drugs], and if we ended the war on drugs, we'd have a lot less use for SWAT teams. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2392 on: June 01, 2020, 07:14:34 PM »
I think we overuse SWAT teams, to be honest.

Taking this back to the war on drugs, we have a problem with no-knock raids where we use a SWAT team to force entry on a house [which is only necessary so they can't flush the drugs], and if we ended the war on drugs, we'd have a lot less use for SWAT teams.
No-knock raids result in a lot of bad police shootings.  Especially when they take place in the middle of the night.  At the wrong house.  And the residents believe that it's a home invasion and shoot back.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2393 on: June 02, 2020, 01:11:44 AM »
I hate millennials. We have an entire generation of spoiled entitled ridiculous mostly white idiots who think everyone has the right to never be offended and being “woke” is so cooool man.

I mostly blame their stupid parents who never whooped their asses when they got out of line. These kids grew up blowing a fit in Target because they only got 1 toy instead of 3, so the parents caved in and got them the other toys just to make them shut up. They grew up yelling and cussing at their parents when they were teenagers because they didn’t get to do whatever they wanted when they wanted.

When I was growing up there was zero of these compromises. There was no caving. If I blew a fit in a store as a child I was in deep shit. And if I ever swore or cussed at my parents I would’ve gotten a UFC style ass whopping by pops. And you know what, that’s how it should be. My pops was a tough son of a bitch, but he was always there for me and never once did I ever question if I was loved. He showed it all the time. Growing up you say man why is he so hard, but when you get older you learn to appreciate everything and you see he was so hard because of love.

This world is a motherfucker. It’s dog eat dog and no one will ever just give you shit, you have to go out there and earn it. And you have to fail over and over again and pick yourself up and go at it again until you succeed.

These millennials had parents who always caved in and gave them everything, never had to earn shit. Had parents who treated them like they were their friends and not their fucking parents. These kids all grew up getting participation trophies for getting their asses kicked in sports, instead of getting told they sucked.

As the great Denzel Washington says, “Ease is a greater threat to progress than hardship.”
Yeah, the "everyone gets a trophy" cohort are now in their 20s.  
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