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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2800 on: June 06, 2020, 10:43:03 PM »
What sort of far right voter supports Bernie Sanders?  And why?
The sort that thinks Medicare for all is good because it takes their health care away from corporate interests

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2801 on: June 06, 2020, 11:15:40 PM »
Ahhh, the beauty of the media. Someone somewhere will always say both sides of things. That's the joy of having more than a few high-traction conservative outlets, including far and away the most watched one on cable.

And shoot, I'm sure a great many of those spiritual people would even applaud if he violated each of the 10 commandments in front of them. As you said, sides and such. That reminded me about the base talk earlier. The point someone made was "doing X drives the CIC and his base closer." Is there some act that drives them apart? It doesn't seem like there is.
Kind of a weird take.  Sympathy for the guy making the threats apparently.  

it’s hard to converse with you, when you say things like “ broke Ten Commandments” obviously inferring he is bad, or broke even one.
of all people, I thought you could take a higher level balanced view.  

what you don’t understand is there is not a right or wrong to this, just two different views.  My point has been- all along- the overwhelming number of microphones are in the hands of media and celebs, but that is not necessarily a majority.
to take a guess at your question, not standing up against the over the top PC crowd, and not doing things like going to that church.  That might do it.

his fans obviously put up with what nearly everyone agrees with his poor communication style, abrasiveness, etc.
but as longhorn pointed out, what they see on the other side is abhorrent to their very core.   Things that they can’t live with, like super late term abortions, letting prisoners out of jail, harboring felons because they are also illegal immigrants, defunding the police, open borders, taking away their right to bear arms ( which will die down hard for a long time now given what is on our tv screens).  All kinds of things that various degrees on the left are pushing.  They hear the words from certain females in Congress that they feel are as anti American as anything they have ever heard.  They see the POTUS as the one person that can stop all of that.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2802 on: June 06, 2020, 11:22:20 PM »
Also, let me add, I am pretty much a live and let live kind of guy.  I don’t really get too worked up over peoples opinions, like kneeling during the anthem.  So what.  

I only get worked up when I see things like that cop murdering that poor guy.  I have a hard time with anyone who could defend that, or violence of any kind.  

So, when I guy goes on tv and seriously threatens to light a huge section of New York on fire, I do have a problem with that opinion.  And anyone who would defend it.

Responding to that buy defending the guy is tantamount to agreeing with him.  And just being honest with you, that makes me sick.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2803 on: June 06, 2020, 11:58:08 PM »
What sort of far right voter supports Bernie Sanders?  And why?
The kind of far right voter who has watched neo-liberal and neo-con policies fail this country for 5+ decades, and who have seen his/her well-paying manufacturing job get shipped over-seas or their high-paying mining job evaporate and who can't afford his/her prescription drugs or healthcare- or the far right voter who has had do declare bankruptcy due to medical bills.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2804 on: June 07, 2020, 12:20:13 AM »
Kind of a weird take.  Sympathy for the guy making the threats apparently. 

it’s hard to converse with you, when you say things like “ broke Ten Commandments” obviously inferring he is bad, or broke even one.
of all people, I thought you could take a higher level balanced view. 

what you don’t understand is there is not a right or wrong to this, just two different views.  My point has been- all along- the overwhelming number of microphones are in the hands of media and celebs, but that is not necessarily a majority.
to take a guess at your question, not standing up against the over the top PC crowd, and not doing things like going to that church.  That might do it.
The first part refers to the crazy man arrested? That's not really sympathy, just pointing out we're free to do unsympathetic things. 

I'm not sure how you got that I said he broke the commandments. I said that there are spiritual people who back him who I think would not let him doing things against their faith stand in the way of their support. (we could get into a discussion about who broke which commandments, but that seems a less valuable road).

I think the idea of "not necessarily a majority," is actually pretty interesting. People by and large often look to believe they are part of a subtle majority that is also to a degree put upon (maybe persecuted, but that word seems too strong) but the minority. Where you see a minority view expressed by some media and celebs, the other side most likely sees some other groups with their microphones spreading some other message. And we'll end up with a mess of noise and nonsense for months and at the end, a majority will put its votes in and more noise will spring forth. I can't put a finger on how that will fall. I'd be unsurprised if that "media"/celeb view turns out to belong to the minority. And I wouldn't be wholly surprised if traditional political gravity fell into place. We'll just have to see.

(That last part does make sense. Basically, if the man stops doing transgressive things, that could take wind from his sails. So he'll continue to do that, much to the pearl clutching of some sectors. And eventually we'll see if it helps or hurts him)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2805 on: June 07, 2020, 12:55:49 AM »
You're seemingly incapable of just addressing the one topic - you oddly have to bring everything back to "the left" and how silly they are.

You should work for a certain news channel.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2806 on: June 07, 2020, 01:07:45 AM »
If Rasmussen is anywhere close to accurate the Dems have a tough road ahead
https://thehayride.com/2020/06/rasmussen-trump-approval-rating-among-black-voters-hits-all-time-high/


and yes I realize Rasmussen leans right but he was ranked 2nd most accurate predicting the 2016 election results
If that is valid, 320, I imagine that it's because a whole lot of black voters don't like looters and organized insurgent groups discrediting their protest movement.  And the POTUS has somehow convinced a lot of people that he's doing something effective to stop it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2807 on: June 07, 2020, 01:17:18 AM »
There are three, I think, sparkling wines from CA that can have Champagne on the label, usually preceded by California.

They were grandfathered into the agreement.

I can remember when young women would sash shay into a bar and order "House Chablis".  I wonder how the term "Sash shay" came about.

OK, firstly I misspelled it rather badly, and I should have know it is from the French:

to make a chassé


2a: WALK, GLIDE, GO
b: to strut or move about in an ostentatious or conspicuous manner
c: to proceed or move in a diagonal or sideways manner


This is why French is great, we say "chase", meh, and they say "Chasse'", much more elegante.  And a Chasseur as CWSooner knows is usually a light cavalryman intended to chase defeated enemy.  And as we all know, cheval is French for horse and a chavelier, like Mo, is a knight, or simply a person who rides a horse.
All those "chev-" terms come from the Latin "caballus," horse.  In Spanish, it's "caballo," and a gentleman is a "caballero," originally for a knight.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2808 on: June 07, 2020, 01:30:24 AM »
This doesn't really answer the question.

Do we think there's actually an act that would drive his base from him? Seems like the answer is no.
I think the answer is that there is not.
Everyone he hires is the greatest that there has ever been.  Then when he fires the same people, or they quit, they are the worst ever.  Unless they go to prison, in which case they were the victims of an FBI/CIA/Deep State/Bilderbergers/Rothschilds/Knights Templar conspiracy to make them admit their illegal act by entrapping them, so they will get pardons.  Soldiers who commit war crimes by killing civilians or enemy captives are heroes who get pardoned by the POTUS after being convicted at court-martial.  Soldiers who do their duty, like reminding their subordinates that their oath was to support and defend the Constitution, not the President, are loser-scum who won't have their jobs much longer.
All because the media reports on these actions negatively.  The more media criticism, the more that the POTUS's supporters support him.
It's like the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.  Once you're in, you can't ever admit that you were wrong from the start.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2809 on: June 07, 2020, 02:11:43 AM »
Unless they go to prison, in which case they were the victims of an FBI/CIA/Deep State
There's no conspiracy. It's out in the open. The security state/military industrial complex- whatever you want to call it- tried to bring the guy down on some obviously phony BS Russian propaganda. I mean anyone with half a brain saw right through it instantly. It was the greatest disinformation/propaganda campaign witnessed since...wait for it.....the Iraq war. And the useless, feckless, worthless mainstream media aided them in this endeavor, just as they always do.

And why the hell are former top CIA/NSA/FBI officials being hired by "news" agencies like CNN/MSNBC and paid several hundreds of thousands of dollars to appear on tv and being allowed to push propaganda completely unchecked and with zero push-back by the "news" anchors? How does this not make people outraged?

The very top levels of the FBI/CIA absolutely tried to bring down an incoming administration on completely bogus charges and using the kind of disinformation smear tactics you'd expect them to use on foreign 3rd world governments they want to overthrow. An un-elected bureaucracy that is suppose to report to the top elected official we have in this country, tried to bring that top official down. If that doesn't terrify the living shit out of everyone in this country, there's something wrong with the people in this country.

Let me guess though, FBI/CIA just a bunch of upstanding dudes? Lol. Yeah and Jeffrey Epstein totally killed himself too. Just kidding. He didn't.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2810 on: June 07, 2020, 03:09:56 AM »
but as longhorn pointed out, what they see on the other side is abhorrent to their very core.  Things that they can’t live with, like super late term abortions, letting prisoners out of jail, harboring felons because they are also illegal immigrants, defunding the police, open borders, taking away their right to bear arms ( which will die down hard for a long time now given what is on our tv screens).  All kinds of things that various degrees on the left are pushing.  They hear the words from certain females in Congress that they feel are as anti American as anything they have ever heard.  They see the POTUS as the one person that can stop all of that.
Literally none of these is anything a non-radical liberal desires.  Zero.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2811 on: June 07, 2020, 07:47:19 AM »
Literally none of these is anything a non-radical liberal desires.  Zero.
Wanna bet?

I can simply point to parts of my family. Literally. 

So, zot Zero. Far from it.

You need to be more careful with your absolute statements.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2812 on: June 07, 2020, 08:00:23 AM »
You need to be more careful with your absolute statements.
Absolutely, maybe sort of kinda at times perhaps.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2813 on: June 07, 2020, 08:24:20 AM »
I think this is mostly correct ( it is far from zero) in that these things don't represent the middle to mostly left.

just like White supremacy doesn’t represent the middle to mostly right, but it is often portrayed that way. 


 It reminds me of a great, memorable conversation I had with my daughter after POTUS was elected.  She is like her father, a fiercely independent thinker, and like her father, pro humanity. Her mother and I have worked hard to teach our kids this: try to make the world a better place, and try to leave everything you do a better situation.

She had recently graduated from Michigan, and certainly had her eyes opened to more liberal thinking ( a good thing IMO) than she was exposed to beforehand.  She openly asked me who I would be voting for, and I was honest in embarrassingly admitting I wasn’t voting for the first time ever, and the reasons why.  She understood.

Fast forward to after results were in for a few weeks.  She was very worried about the radical right.  After we talked for a while, she said something that stuck with me because I learned from it- she said it is not that I think he thinks this way dad, but I am worried him winning will empower those on the far right. 

We had a complete agreement that just about everyone we know was not on the far edges in either direction, but closer to the middle and much more able to coexist And compromise. And we agreed that so many influencers today, the people with the microphones, are voices much closer to the radical edges, and because of that a lot of those middle people were getting overly angry and aggressive.

That is pretty much what I see in our country today. 847badge kind of nailed it several pages back. Trust he called it. The biggest lesson my folks taught me was tolerance.  To be tolerant of other opinions. Because I feel so much noise coming from the unreasonable edges, it seems we have gotten to the place where the reasonable voices closer to the middle are no longer heard, and people are left feeling like they have to pick a side on one of the edges.
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