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Topic: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #546 on: June 03, 2020, 02:12:03 PM »
So ELA is guaranteeing an OSU-PSU NCG? 
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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #547 on: June 03, 2020, 02:15:06 PM »
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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #548 on: June 03, 2020, 04:25:39 PM »
Let me see if I understand. Florida with a good quarterback, no established running backs or receivers, and the loss of six starters on their defense, is going to win the SEC? Those assertions are those of the OP. Florida will imo have a good team though not as good as last year. They have a decent chance at second in the East although Tennessee is coming in a hurry and with little chance against Georgia with all that talent Kirby Smart is amassing.

Alabama, on the other hand, is loaded. Jones, whom you dismissed, has superior numbers to Trask in every category. His only problem was he didn't play enough to be considered. He was 97 for 141 for 10.7 yds per completion. His qb rating was 186.9. Trask was 237 for 354 for 8.3 yards per completion with a qb rating of 146.5. Even if Jones is ineffective Bama has the Bryce Young, the number 1 rated prep qb in the country to replace him. I know the OP said he was too small. One would think that after Kyler Murray, Johnny Manziel, Tua, Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson that it should be apparent that a qb doesn't have to be a giant.

Alabama, unlike Florida has both RBs including Najee Harris returning plus Trey Sanders the number 1 prep rb from 2018 who suffered an injury in preseason last year. The offensive line lost one player to the NFL and should be one of the nation's best. I doubt Florida's O-line matches up. For wrs Alabama has two returning who are considered top draft choices next winter, Davonte Smith and Jaylen Waddle, who the OP didn't mention in his write up.

Alabama did have problems on defense last year primarily because injuries decimated the lb and dl. Those freshman lbs are not freshmen any more plus All American Dylan Moses as well as Josh McMillan back at LB. The D-line was a weakness last year especially after Labryan Ray and DJ Dale were lost to injuries. They are both back along with the Number 2 rated recruiting class.

It is possible that Alabama could again be wracked with injuries which cost Alabama the playoffs last year, but at this point it is illogical to consider Florida better than Alabama and have them ranked 16

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #549 on: June 03, 2020, 04:49:06 PM »
I like his write ups.  It's a tradition.  His rankings are usually as good as any, and as bad.  And, they have zero influence in who wins what games.  It's also fun when he does something unexpected like this.

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« Reply #550 on: June 03, 2020, 05:28:12 PM »
Let me see if I understand. Florida with a good quarterback, no established running backs or receivers, and the loss of six starters on their defense, is going to win the SEC? Those assertions are those of the OP. Florida will imo have a good team though not as good as last year. They have a decent chance at second in the East although Tennessee is coming in a hurry and with little chance against Georgia with all that talent Kirby Smart is amassing.

Alabama, on the other hand, is loaded. Jones, whom you dismissed, has superior numbers to Trask in every category. His only problem was he didn't play enough to be considered. He was 97 for 141 for 10.7 yds per completion. His qb rating was 186.9. Trask was 237 for 354 for 8.3 yards per completion with a qb rating of 146.5. Even if Jones is ineffective Bama has the Bryce Young, the number 1 rated prep qb in the country to replace him. I know the OP said he was too small. One would think that after Kyler Murray, Johnny Manziel, Tua, Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson that it should be apparent that a qb doesn't have to be a giant.

Alabama, unlike Florida has both RBs including Najee Harris returning plus Trey Sanders the number 1 prep rb from 2018 who suffered an injury in preseason last year. The offensive line lost one player to the NFL and should be one of the nation's best. I doubt Florida's O-line matches up. For wrs Alabama has two returning who are considered top draft choices next winter, Davonte Smith and Jaylen Waddle, who the OP didn't mention in his write up.

Alabama did have problems on defense last year primarily because injuries decimated the lb and dl. Those freshman lbs are not freshmen any more plus All American Dylan Moses as well as Josh McMillan back at LB. The D-line was a weakness last year especially after Labryan Ray and DJ Dale were lost to injuries. They are both back along with the Number 2 rated recruiting class.

It is possible that Alabama could again be wracked with injuries which cost Alabama the playoffs last year, but at this point it is illogical to consider Florida better than Alabama and have them ranked 16
Well, I had them 11, not 16.

I think someone else, not me, said Young was too small.  And by the time Murray took over at Oklahoma he was 195; those other guys you listed are all over 200.  Young was 183 at the AA bowl.

Also, by Bill Connolly's (who has Alabama preseason #1 FTR) own metric, Florida returns more production on both offense and defense than Alabama does.

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #551 on: June 03, 2020, 06:35:16 PM »
You are correct. It was somebody else in the thread commenting on Bryce Young being too small. I apologize, although you didn't give him or Jones much credit.

Secondly your remarks about Alabama not being very productive offensively boggles one's mind. Alabama scored 614 points which was 2nd in the nation and that was with losing our AA starting qb. Florida scored 432. Florida was better defensively as they gave up only 201 as opposed to Alabama's 242. You did mention in your write up that Florida lost 6 starters. I am still having trouble understanding how you see Florida as being better than Alabama or Georgia for that matter.


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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #552 on: June 03, 2020, 06:46:00 PM »
It for fun and has a prognosticating slant - he's rolling the dice something unexpected could happen.Maybe not but it's always better to pile on after the fact.If FLA has one thing going -it's mullen and a state full of talent.
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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #553 on: June 03, 2020, 06:53:48 PM »
Hey if you woulda told me last year that LSU would end up being one of the greatest teams of all time I probably would have laughed

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #554 on: June 03, 2020, 07:16:45 PM »
You are correct. It was somebody else in the thread commenting on Bryce Young being too small. I apologize, although you didn't give him or Jones much credit.

Secondly your remarks about Alabama not being very productive offensively boggles one's mind. Alabama scored 614 points which was 2nd in the nation and that was with losing our AA starting qb. Florida scored 432. Florida was better defensively as they gave up only 201 as opposed to Alabama's 242. You did mention in your write up that Florida lost 6 starters. I am still having trouble understanding how you see Florida as being better than Alabama or Georgia for that matter.


Where did I say they weren't productive offensively?

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #555 on: June 03, 2020, 08:54:26 PM »
You said the offensive line did not perform up to what it normally did and finished outside the top 20 of something called the Football Outsiders. I was pointing out that the offensive line played well enough for the team to average 47 points per game.

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #556 on: June 03, 2020, 09:21:28 PM »
You said the offensive line did not perform up to what it normally did and finished outside the top 20 of something called the Football Outsiders. I was pointing out that the offensive line played well enough for the team to average 47 points per game.
You said I said they weren't productive offensively.  That's the third thing now you've said I said, that I never said.  I did say that their OL last year didn't perform up to their normal lofty standards, based on FOs line yards metric.  That's true, it was their lowest rank there in the 6 or 7 years they've measured it.

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #557 on: June 04, 2020, 12:08:47 AM »


Alabama, unlike Florida has both RBs including Najee Harris returning plus Trey Sanders the number 1 prep rb from 2018 who suffered an injury in preseason last year. The offensive line lost one player to the NFL and should be one of the nation's best. I doubt Florida's O-line matches up. For wrs Alabama has two returning who are considered top draft choices next winter, Davonte Smith and Jaylen Waddle, who the OP didn't mention in his write up.


I don't know why, but the bolded detail felt weird. Like there's a lot of reasons to argue Bama is better than UF. But saying, there's a guy who averaged 4.6 yards a carry and managed four carries a game in the last five doesn't feel like it helps the case. I mean, just saying Bama returns Harris and gets in Sanders and UF's best back has been lightly used feels like enough. 

Anyway, the preview was littered with "this will probably be wrong"s. Bama loses what seems like a generational guy. Probably won't matter, but it could. 

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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #558 on: June 04, 2020, 12:29:25 AM »
You said I said they weren't productive offensively.  That's the third thing now you've said I said, that I never said.  I did say that their OL last year didn't perform up to their normal lofty standards, based on FOs line yards metric.  That's true, it was their lowest rank there in the 6 or 7 years they've measured it.
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Re: 2020 ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #559 on: June 04, 2020, 06:54:21 AM »
None of this matters obviously, it could well turn out Florida ends up 9-3 and Bama goes 13-0, that would not shock me (or the reverse).

This is probably a more traditional kind of ranking:

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/College-football-preseason-Top-25-rankings-2020-season-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Georgia-Bulldogs-Florida-Texas-Ohio-State--147796428/#147796428_19
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 07:58:35 AM by Cincydawg »

 

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