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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1666 on: July 22, 2019, 05:02:01 PM »
and Harbaugh keeps having clumsy things come out of his mouth when there are microphones near
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1667 on: July 22, 2019, 05:03:04 PM »
Yup his mouth keeps falling down the stairs
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1668 on: July 22, 2019, 05:04:42 PM »
i'd never used the term 'sexy' for a car before seeing one of these in person in Doha, Qatar, and then getting to take a very fast ride in one.  i'm a 'car' guy and i never used that term until that day as descriptor for a vehicle.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1669 on: July 22, 2019, 05:06:23 PM »
Clark stop it!
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1670 on: July 22, 2019, 05:20:14 PM »
Christie Brinkley could play that role just as convincingly today as she did, what, 35 years ago or so?  Still a smoke show in her 60’s.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1671 on: July 22, 2019, 05:23:41 PM »
As far as I know Hudson was the only M player in transfer portal sighting Depression/Emotional issues - strange parallel.The kid had a hard time talking about it so why bring it up and draw analogies?It's clear who the object of discussion was
I didn't say Harbaugh brought him up by mistake. He did it on purpose. I just said that Harbaugh never claimed James lied. This is the structure of Harbaugh's argument:

(1) The NCAA transfer eligibility system is inconsistent and broken
(2) Let's just give every incoming freshman one free transfer with immediate eligibility, if that's what he wants
(3) Otherwise, we'll keep having situations where some kids, like Paterson and Fields, get immediate eligibility and others don't
(4) And that incentivizes kids to lie and game the system
(5) For example, remember James Hudson. He transfered with clinical depression.
(6) In an inconsistent system, that's something that might affect someone's eligibility
(7) We can imagine a person lying about that or something else, hoping it will impact the NCAA's immediate eligibility decision

It's not that it's an incorrect perspective. It's just not a point worth saying out loud because it has to be done artfully to avoid people from thinking you've just made an accusation against Hudson. And Harbaugh didn't pick his words well enough to avoid that quagmire. That's what makes it clumsy.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1672 on: July 22, 2019, 05:30:20 PM »
It'd be like if I said:

The opioid epidemic is just a mess. It's difficult for a doctor to evaluate another person's level of pain. And our current system means that some patients are incentivized to lie. Take Jonathan Fakeperson, for example. I just prescribed him a month's worth. Imagine if a future patient like Jonathan Fakeperson were lying. That's not an easy thing to seek out and prevent. We need a new system.

It's pretty dumb. (And in this case I'd lose my license for specifying J-Fakeperson by name.) But it doesn't mean I'm actually accusing Jonathan Fakeperson of lying.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1673 on: July 22, 2019, 05:55:58 PM »
This from the OZone's Tony Gerdman

On Friday, Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh said that college football transfers lie about having mental health issues in order to be granted immediate eligibility.
Speaking with former Wolverine offensive lineman Jon Jansen and former Ohio State linebacker AJ Hawk on ESPNU Radio on SiriusXM during day two of Big Ten Media Days, Harbaugh was asked about his preference to allow a one-time free pass to any college football player who wants to transfer.
He explained his reasoning, but then took things in a new direction by saying that players lie about depression and the like.Harbaugh’s stance is one that does nothing to advance the understanding of a subject that he says he cares very deeply about.


And does this help anybody in Michigan’s program who is dealing with his own mental wellness issue? Does a player see Harbaugh’s comments and still see an advocate, or do they see one more person who won’t understand?
Does a claim of mental health inside Michigan’s football department immediately get met with doubt?
If so, maybe that’s why James Hudson never brought it up.

There isn’t a lack of compassion from Harbaugh, simply a lack of understanding.

He needs to realize that this isn’t about catching the liars, it’s about helping those who haven’t even spoken out yet.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1674 on: July 22, 2019, 06:08:47 PM »
You just copied and pasted a lot of words ... and not even one of them was a quoted word from Harbaugh.

It's better to use source info than long editorials about the source info.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1675 on: July 22, 2019, 06:09:33 PM »
Here's the quote:

[Harbaugh] “The youngster that says ‘Okay. This is a mental health issue. I’m suffering from depression.’ Or that’s a reason that they’re getting eligible. And once that’s known that you’re [getting eligible], ‘Hey, just say this. Or say that.’ And then to get eligible, the problem I see in that is that you’re going to have guys that are ‘Okay, Yeah I’m depressed.'”

[Host] “They’re going to say what they gotta say.”

[Harbaugh] “They’re going to say what they gotta say. But then, down the road, I don’t see that helping them if it’s not a legitimate thing. And nobody would know. But what are you going to say like 10 years down, ‘Oh, I just said what I had to say.’ And I think you’re putting them in a position that’s unfair, not right, and as you said it John, “You’re saying it just to say it.” And that’s not truthful. That’s not necessarily truthful. And that’s not something we should be promoting at the college level. Telling the truth matters. Probably the number one thing that you need to do, especially at a college, is you can’t have experiments that aren’t truthful. You can’t lie about experiments. You can’t lie about equations. You shouldn’t be lying in football and that’s a message we should be teaching.”

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1676 on: July 22, 2019, 06:15:05 PM »
He never mentions Hudson or references his team, so it's a weird stretch to read it and say "Harbaugh just accused Hudson of lying!"

One of Jim's mistakes was not realizing that he left himself open to have his words twisted. His other mistake was that he'd have been better off just sticking with "automatic eligibility for everyone on their first transfer," which was where this started and one of his main talking points at Media Days.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1677 on: July 22, 2019, 06:40:58 PM »
You just said "I didn't say Harbaugh brought him up by mistake. He did it on purpose."Well which is it?Nothing weird about it or hardly a stretch just those circling the wagons in damage control and sticking their heads in the sand.Harbaugh's disordered mind drags others into the tempest.There is nothing Harbaugh said friday night that endeared him to an athlete experiencing troubles.Says they should have a get out of jail free card and then turns around and suggest there scamming the system if they do.I'm hardly the only one who read it this very bad way.Valenti on Detroit Radio,Bull & the Fox in Cleveland,Wingo and Golic on ESPN weren't that kind sorry.When he's in a hole he should quit digging
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1678 on: July 22, 2019, 06:52:19 PM »
You can ding me. I hadn't read the quote until I posted it. So my info wasn't complete. All the more reason to be glad we now have the source material.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1679 on: July 22, 2019, 06:57:24 PM »
As for the media: Most of the roasting is because there's an echo chamber of incorrect information. Almost every negative article or radio bit seems to start and stop with "Harbaugh accused Hudson of lying." And as the quote shows ... that isn't true.


 

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