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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #840 on: July 22, 2018, 10:58:57 PM »
The person who owned the most slaves in my current area, and it was more than twice that of the second place prick, was.... Wait for it... A black dude.

He lived up around new been nc.  Wiki that guy.  If aliens consult our written history, its no wonder we havent met any.
4 - cite individual anecdotal exceptions, while ignoring the vast majority 
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #841 on: July 22, 2018, 11:05:31 PM »
Sorry @OrangeAfroMan , facts are facts whether you like them or not.... Deflecting to character on a completely different subject is the most common logical fallacy... 

Best I can tell this line of discussion is civil thus far.... Thats good.. Id hate to see it moved to area 51... You really REALLY dont want to get those guys spun up on this subject... Ive seen threads on the old site go hundreds of posts before disappearing.  

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #842 on: July 22, 2018, 11:14:00 PM »
you're ignoring the "why" behind the south and Crazy Horse's attacks.........


Crazy Horse took up arms against the United States federal government to fight against encroachment by white American settlers on Indian territory and to preserve the traditional way of life of the Lakota people.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #843 on: July 22, 2018, 11:18:02 PM »
And what would happen with his inaction?  What would the outcome be if he did nothing?

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What would happen with the south's inaction?  What would the outcome be if they didn't secede or go to war?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #844 on: July 22, 2018, 11:19:12 PM »
Sorry @OrangeAfroMan , facts are facts whether you like them or not.... Deflecting to character on a completely different subject is the most common logical fallacy...

Best I can tell this line of discussion is civil thus far.... Thats good.. Id hate to see it moved to area 51... You really REALLY dont want to get those guys spun up on this subject... Ive seen threads on the old site go hundreds of posts before disappearing.  
Yes, facts are facts.  I didn't suggest otherwise.  But when you cite the 1 example that is counter to the next 99 examples, you're being dishonest in the conversation.  
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #845 on: July 22, 2018, 11:19:33 PM »
the traditional way of life would have been altered
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #846 on: July 22, 2018, 11:20:44 PM »
Yes, facts are facts.  I didn't suggest otherwise.  But when you cite the 1 example that is counter to the next 99 examples, you're being dishonest in the conversation.  
perhaps he's simply making a comment or statement, not arguing otherwise
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #847 on: July 22, 2018, 11:21:13 PM »
the traditional way of life would have been altered
C'mon, you can do it.  Let's be more honest.  I guess death can be described as altered life.....but put down your word salad and just come out and say it.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #848 on: July 22, 2018, 11:33:23 PM »
I guess the point I'm flirting with without saying is the south was "officially" motivated by population base of north pushing them around via federal rulings targeting them, while the north offically struck sentiment with abolishing slavery... Both were dishonest.  

The south had already passed laws to sunset slavery.  The north was only impacting the rich folks in the south.  

If you compare, if you can, to the European front of the second world war,  and consider the German aggression that spawned it, you've got to figure that there was something that incited the German people... Some "call to arms" that is based on emotion but is wildly dishonest to tje actual catalysts.  Something motivated millions of people, who by simple odds cant all be bad, to kill each other.

Its like a massive on a scale unimaginable bar fight.  One side wants to explain to the authorities in the aftermath how "right" they were and how terrible their opponent is, when quite simply both sides are wrong.  Or when one side thinks theyre just SO Damn right it justifies horrific acts on the other to justify getting even quicker or something.  

It aint black and white near as much as you or me or anyone wants it to be...

Those people in Wyoming lost a lot, whether they were right wrong or indifferent... Same for folks in the south and in the north a decade prior to American Indian wars.  

And its all about greed more often than it isn't.  

I like to live in my comfortable view, but.... If a person honestly takes a while to write in opposition to their views and in support of their opposition, that person can start to see their position.  
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #849 on: July 22, 2018, 11:52:27 PM »
On FearlessF:
Comparing southern leaders not wanting to continue to be pushed around with the near certainty of the imprisonment, death, or even extinction of his people of Crazy Horse is absurd.  We all know it is.  And yet the pairing is made, either ignorantly or dishonestly, here.  


It's things like this which makes conversations about such things dive straight into the gutter.  
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #850 on: July 23, 2018, 07:40:20 AM »
The Chicago to Mac race was (still going actually) held this past weekend. 


Strong North winds don't do sailboat operators many favors when they are trying to go.. North. There were pretty high and tight waves too - 6-8 feet.


One boater is missing. He went to change up a sail and was swept off the boat when one of those high waves hit. His life jacket was designed to inflate upon hitting water, but it did not.


Rescuers are still looking, calling it a rescue mission even still. He went over at about 3PM Saturday and the waves have not let up. Not sure how much longer this will be called a rescue.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #851 on: July 23, 2018, 07:49:05 AM »
That's tough, hoping the best for him.

Mother Nature has her way of putting us in our place. no doubt.  

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #852 on: July 23, 2018, 08:43:04 AM »
I certainly don't know nearly as much as some regarding the confederacy, but I didn't think it was about destroying the United States
I don’t mean they wanted to conquer the whole thing, but I’m saying destroy it as the continuous unified country it was and is. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #853 on: July 23, 2018, 09:09:06 AM »
That's tough, hoping the best for him.

Mother Nature has her way of putting us in our place. no doubt.  
There are a whole lot of people out there that simply do not understand that Lake Michigan is the BOSS.
You don't mess with it, yet people do it all the time.
That Lake has the most non-war time wrecks of any water body in the world.
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