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Title: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 11, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
How come the season always passes by so fast and the offseason takes so long?

Well, probably because the season is a little more than 3 months while the offseason is a little less than 9 months.

So, whatchu gonna do to pass the time in the offseason?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 11, 2018, 02:38:37 PM
Jump
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 11, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
Well, I watch college football and then basketball and this year the winter olympics, since for me the off season starts with the last out of the clinching game of the world series ...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 11, 2018, 03:47:40 PM

I love the off season. 

Not the winter months so much, but I always kind of dread game 1 because it means that my summer is essentially over. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 11, 2018, 03:56:34 PM
I love the off season.

Not the winter months so much, but I always kind of dread game 1 because it means that my summer is essentially over.
I get this way too. And then when I have to put the boat away around November 1. But at least at that point the football is in force and you have the holidays coming, which is always nice.

This time of year.. Sucks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 11, 2018, 06:00:04 PM
I leave for Kansas City in 17 days where I will complete my training for my new position at work and return to AZ on Feb 8th a federally licensed Engineer, much to badge's chagrin ;-)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 11, 2018, 06:14:39 PM
I hate you DF but congratulations - study hard & pay attention.Damn to ride the rails,leave a door open on a boxcar for me would ya
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2018, 06:38:30 PM
SDF, u still gonna be back in Winslow?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 11, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
I moved back to Phoenix in August and will primarily work here too but occasionally I will take trains from Phoenix to Winslow as well.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 11, 2018, 07:06:15 PM
I leave for Kansas City in 17 days where I will complete my training for my new position at work and return to AZ on Feb 8th a federally licensed Engineer, much to badge's chagrin ;-)
Yep, I've been driving trains since I got my PE in 1995. :67:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 11, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
Yeah but you had to take 6 years of college, it only took me 20 weeks  :)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 11, 2018, 07:25:49 PM
10 years of college down the drain.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 11, 2018, 07:55:25 PM
I moved back to Phoenix in August and will primarily work here too but occasionally I will take trains from Phoenix to Winslow as well.
Wow, that's cool.  I didn't realize you had moved into that line of work DF. 
Now I'm going to have to go listen to City of New Orleans or End of the Line or Wabash Cannonball or ...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 11, 2018, 08:01:07 PM
Wow, that's cool.  I didn't realize you had moved into that line of work DF.  
Now I'm going to have to go listen to City of New Orleans or End of the Line or Wabash Cannonball or ...
I'm partial to this one...
https://youtu.be/FX1BPItDcDo
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 11, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
10 years of college down the drain.
Might as well have joined the f'in Peace Corps....
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 12, 2018, 10:21:19 AM
College football and the coinciding succession of holidays starting with Labor Day and ramping up to Christmas serve as the comfortable distraction I wait all year for.

It's also very convenient that both CFB and the Holidays end at pretty much the same time, because then I can take advantage of using my brain's unoccupied state to focus on being productive for the next 8 months.

Starting in January I restructure my focus into:

1) working about 10 more hours per week,

2) reviving my fitness routine, 

3) devoting more time to various writing and editing projects that I'm continually collaborating on, 

4) my reading consumption triples, usually up to 3 books/novels per month Bs the 3 books I might read during all of CFB season, 

5) and finally I get my affairs in order, i.e. going to dentist/doctor, addressing overdue car repairs, and attending church and calling relatives with more regularity.

Wow - in listing all that out it really shows how much I let take a backseat during CFB season.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 12, 2018, 11:21:47 AM
It's going to be a busy winter/spring on the home building front.   While the framing continues, all of the micro decisions will begin to accumulate.  Exciting and exhausting at the same time.

One thing I'm excited about is heading up to Milwaukee to pick out the reclaimed cream city brick we're going to use for an accent wall inside the house.    There are few places left that do this kind of reclaim, and they basically have palettes that come and go in the brickyard from buildings within the state, and the cool thing about it is they are all different, given the age, where the building was, exposure to elements, etc.   Some of it is 150 years old, some less than 100, some bright creamy white/yellow, some darker.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 12, 2018, 07:47:35 PM
Wow, that's cool.  I didn't realize you had moved into that line of work DF.  
Now I'm going to have to go listen to City of New Orleans or End of the Line or Wabash Cannonball or ...
Listen to this one, Fred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJCiPl-V6h8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJCiPl-V6h8)

I've been to Vaughan, Mississippi, site of Casey's fatal crash.

There have been many, maybe hundreds, of versions of "Casey Jones," but they all seem to have him driving a "6-8-Wheeler," which is no steam locomotive that there ever was.  His locomotive was a 4-6-0 "Ten-Wheeler."  And the Johnny Cash version, like every other version, is not historically accurate.

Or there's this one, for our Texas friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-3RsZxJaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-3RsZxJaE)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on January 14, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
Been burning up the fireplace lately. What is it about fires that are so wonderful? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 14, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
Fires are wonderful. Controlled ones that is. Got one going now too.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 14, 2018, 09:01:16 PM
Browns fans have been watching fires for months now
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2018, 09:29:37 PM
Been burning up the fireplace lately. What is it about fires that are so wonderful?
doesn't matter
they are primevel
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on January 15, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
Fires are wonderful. Controlled ones that is. Got one going now too.
thought i had 2+ years of firewood split and stored away. mother nature is hell bent on making me use it all in 1 season. i'm better than half way through it.
i'm sure my years worth is more like y'all week's worth, but still.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
I always wanted a wood burning stove

guess I didn't want it that much

been in this house since 89, no immediate plan to install a stove yet
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 15, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
If Froggy is moving to Phoenix, then who is Fro supposed to zip around the South Rim with on his tandem bike? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2018, 10:22:47 PM
Now that JT Barrett is all done, I wanted to revisit his statistical claim.  Despite OSU fans wanting his head each season and being uber-critical of him, if you look at his numbers:
he was basically Antwaan Randle El as a rusher + Chuck Long as a passer + throw in Jeff George's career TDs to boot.

In this age of 11-1 not being enough and Heisman-type talents having a bad quarter from time to time, the way this young man was treated was disgraceful.  

More TD and fewer INT than Brees.  Ran for more yards than Keith Byars.  Same number of rushing TD as Ezekiel Ellitott and Saquan Barkley.  

I have no special interest in the guy, just an objective observer.  His production and OSU's success with him at QB should make him an icon, not a guy whose support went up and down like a roller coaster.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2018, 10:23:26 PM
If Froggy is moving to Phoenix, then who is Fro supposed to zip around the South Rim with on his tandem bike?
I moved to Phx over the summer, too.  And I've only been to the North Rim....
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2018, 10:24:14 PM
I always wanted a wood burning stove

guess I didn't want it that much

been in this house since 89, no immediate plan to install a stove yet
They're fun if they're optional.....not as much fun if they're your only source of heat.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on January 16, 2018, 08:22:02 AM
I always wanted a wood burning stove

guess I didn't want it that much

been in this house since 89, no immediate plan to install a stove yet
We had one when I was growing up. After having to cut and split wood, carry it in every day and clean up after it, I am happy to say I hope to never have one again. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
Now that JT Barrett is all done, I wanted to revisit his statistical claim.  Despite OSU fans wanting his head each season and being uber-critical of him, if you look at his numbers:
he was basically Antwaan Randle El as a rusher + Chuck Long as a passer + throw in Jeff George's career TDs to boot.

In this age of 11-1 not being enough and Heisman-type talents having a bad quarter from time to time, the way this young man was treated was disgraceful.  

More TD and fewer INT than Brees.  Ran for more yards than Keith Byars.  Same number of rushing TD as Ezekiel Ellitott and Saquan Barkley.  

I have no special interest in the guy, just an objective observer.  His production and OSU's success with him at QB should make him an icon, not a guy whose support went up and down like a roller coaster.  
I'll never understand it either. The kid was just balls. Was there a mistake here and there? Sure. Just like any human.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on January 16, 2018, 10:39:33 AM
Just wait until next year when everyone grumbles on why we can't run the read option.  He'll get his due.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2018, 10:49:01 AM
Just wait until next year when everyone grumbles on why we can't run the read option.  He'll get his due.
Yep. You don't know what you got until it's gone. Of course, the new guy looks pretty good so who knows.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 16, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
We had one when I was growing up. After having to cut and split wood, carry it in every day and clean up after it, I am happy to say I hope to never have one again.
yup, my all electric utilities are just too economical
too easy and cheap to simply click the button on the thermostat in the hallway
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 16, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
Just wait until next year when everyone grumbles on why we can't run the read option.  He'll get his due.
What JT did he did well,what he couldn't do wasn't addressed.Funny Saban recognized a QB similar to JT wasn't getting it done so he went to the bull pen.Burrow/Haskins could accurately sling it deep thus stretching the field.I was in the camp that Haskins/Burrow could be rotated with JT for greater flexibility/results.Urban did this with great effectiveness with Leak/Tebow winning the SEC & MNC.JT had the benefit of 3 All Big Tenners Price/Jones/Jordan on the O-Line.Price & Jones are off to the NFL - they will be missed.Not sure if Jordan is staying.The problem moving forward will be the O-Line not who follows under center IMO
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 16, 2018, 01:43:02 PM
as we said on the Big 12 board, "it's all about the trench ponies"

as Keith Jackson said, "it's all about the big uglies"
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: grillrat on January 16, 2018, 04:03:25 PM
More TD ... than Brees.


*(but needing 8 more games to do it)  :sign0103:;)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2018, 04:37:42 PM
*(but needing 8 more games to do it)  :sign0103:;)
8 more games for sure, but 467 less attempts. :67:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 16, 2018, 05:58:20 PM
I moved to Phx over the summer, too.  And I've only been to the North Rim....

Orange, been meaning to ask where exactly you lived in Northern AZ? During my college years in Tucson I spent a summer in Chinle, making plenty of stops through Many Farms, Window Rock, Gallup, and the rail towns on I-40. Can't think of a landscape I grew to appreciate more than the Navajo Lands.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 16, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Orange, been meaning to ask where exactly you lived in Northern AZ? During my college years in Tucson I spent a summer in Chinle, making plenty of stops through Many Farms, Window Rock, Gallup, and the rail towns on I-40. Can't think of a landscape I grew to appreciate more than the Navajo Lands.
It is beautiful for sure.  Just like Tony Hillerman describes in all those Jim Chee and Leaphorn novels.  After reading that series of books, I had to visit, see those landscapes, and eat some fry bread.  It was worth the trip.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 16, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Orange, been meaning to ask where exactly you lived in Northern AZ? During my college years in Tucson I spent a summer in Chinle, making plenty of stops through Many Farms, Window Rock, Gallup, and the rail towns on I-40. Can't think of a landscape I grew to appreciate more than the Navajo Lands.
Pinon.  45 min due west of Chinle.  Spent 8 years there, somehow.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 16, 2018, 11:45:22 PM
Oh, and I guess I'll mention the wife and I split about 7 months ago. We still live only like 7 miles apart and have been for the most part amicable so it hasn't been too tough on the kids thankfully. It's not ideal but it could be worse.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 17, 2018, 12:05:43 AM
Wow, Tyler Hilinski, the WSU QB, who played the Holiday Bowl, dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

Terrible news.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 17, 2018, 12:11:11 AM
Wow, Tyler Hilinski, the WSU QB, who played the Holiday Bowl, dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

Terrible news.
Sad news indeed. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 17, 2018, 12:17:35 AM
Horrible... Wtf? Eh?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2018, 06:50:03 AM
Oh, and I guess I'll mention the wife and I split about 7 months ago. We still live only like 7 miles apart and have been for the most part amicable so it hasn't been too tough on the kids thankfully. It's not ideal but it could be worse.
That's a bummer Frog Face. I'm really sorry to hear that. Having been through it.. well, it's not ideal from what I remember.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 17, 2018, 09:15:16 AM
Wow, Tyler Hilinski, the WSU QB, who played the Holiday Bowl, dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

Terrible news.
Jeebis had everything in front of him.Wish you could get to him for just 5 minutes.RIP
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 10:00:22 AM
Oh, and I guess I'll mention the wife and I split about 7 months ago. We still live only like 7 miles apart and have been for the most part amicable so it hasn't been too tough on the kids thankfully. It's not ideal but it could be worse.
sorry to hear this
I have experience....... it's rough
better times are ahead
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 17, 2018, 10:31:39 AM
I've been to Chinle. Canyon De Chelly was pretty cool, with all the ancient ruins. 

It was the first time that I ever ate at an A&W, which was about the only eatery in town iirc. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 17, 2018, 10:51:22 AM
Oh, and I guess I'll mention the wife and I split about 7 months ago. We still live only like 7 miles apart and have been for the most part amicable so it hasn't been too tough on the kids thankfully. It's not ideal but it could be worse.
i'm sorry to hear this too... loss of a dream sucks.
funny, i guess:  when i finally broke it off with the first, i was incredibly sad about the break only because of proving to the world i'd made a mistake and having to own up to it- the dream lost was the only source of pain and indignity.... but honestly, this was my experience:
a few days after, i wake up on a Saturday morning flat out anxious to the point of almost panic trying to figure out what i had forgotten to do.. it had to be something, and the way my conscious was beating on me it had to be something BIG i was forgetting about or late on or whatever it was...... so i forced myself to settle down, have a cup of coffee and fire up a cigar (which is something i never would have done with her around that time of day- a cigar usually invites a transcendental-meditative state for me)... five minutes into that, i realized exactly what my problem was...
i wasn't forgetting a thing...  i was instead at peace- a state i had been holy evacuated from since almost the moment i said 'i do'... it was so friggin' alien it must have freaked me out... from that second on, only a few days after making the decision and then bouncing- i knew i'd made the right one and i never looked back even for a second.
your children, though.... that makes yours helluva lot more difficult than mine was.  i didn't have children then.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 17, 2018, 12:05:37 PM
i wasn't forgetting a thing...  i was instead at peace- a state i had been holy evacuated from since almost the moment i said 'i do'... it was so friggin' alien it must have freaked me out... from that second on, only a few days after making the decision and then bouncing- i knew i'd made the right one and i never looked back even for a second.
your children, though.... that makes yours helluva lot more difficult than mine was.  i didn't have children then.  
Yeah, when I finally broke it off, it was amazing the sense of peace I had. I mean, there was the stress of knowing I had to go through all the legal crap, and had to sell the house, and move, and figure out a custody schedule with the kids, and would be paying alimony/child support [which sucks], and all that crap. But I knew deep down that I was making the right decision and that the old joke was right. "Why is divorce so expensive? Because it's worth it!"
Children makes it a lot harder. If I had my way, I'd never EVER interact with my ex again for the rest of my life. But I can't do that. Still, worth it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 12:09:01 PM
 fire up a cigar (which is something i never would have done with her around that time of day- a cigar usually invites a transcendental-meditative state for me)
why a cigar on the back nine is perfect for my golf game
and yes, plenty of guilt associated with having children with divorce.  I still feel some of that guilt, even though my daughters are 21 and 23 and have told me repeatedly that things have worked out for the better
it's better than 10 years ago.  Time does heal some wounds. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 12:11:26 PM
 the old joke was right. "Why is divorce so expensive? Because it's worth it!"

Children makes it a lot harder. If I had my way, I'd never EVER interact with my ex again for the rest of my life. But I can't do that. Still, worth it.
the old joke is no joke
and ed zachery, now that the kids are grown I hardly ever hear from the EX, but I still avoid it at all costs
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 17, 2018, 12:33:56 PM

It is my understanding that the alimony checks are a lot less painful if you write the word "Freedom" on the memo line.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on January 17, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
I am looking forward to next season, this off-season, and hope to attend FSU @ Notre Dame with some of my old classmates, if they are willing to travel. And if not, I am going anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on January 17, 2018, 01:11:37 PM
It is my understanding that the alimony checks are a lot less painful if you write the word "Freedom" on the memo line.
Actually, I have copied and used the dumb things people write on alimony checks in alimony modification cases.
Freedom would be one of the least problematic things I have seen. Just be careful what you write.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 01:16:41 PM
didn't pay alimony

just child support

money well spent, easy check to write

even if the kids stayed with me almost all the time and even if the kids didn't benefit from hardly any of the dollars

it's only money, you can always get more

and the checks I wrote weren't a tenth of what it would have cost me to stay married
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
My experience was eerily close to Drew's. Once I got past "my failure" there was no looking back.

I often pinch myself over the life I have now. Like it's a dream. Very thankful for that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 17, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
Actually, I have copied and used the dumb things people write on alimony checks in alimony modification cases.
Freedom would be one of the least problematic things I have seen. Just be careful what you write.
There are perks to being a lifelong bachelor with no children. 

This is one of them. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
My experience was eerily close to Drew's. Once I got past "my failure" there was no looking back.

I often pinch myself over the life I have now. Like it's a dream. Very thankful for that.
I am also living the dream for the past 15 years or so since the divorce
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2018, 04:37:36 PM
This weather lately really has me thinking of our upcoming trip to Florida. We're going for 9 days, and one of the goals is to come away with a property on which to build or renovate. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2018, 04:53:20 PM
good luck

one of my goals will be to visit after the build or renovation
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 17, 2018, 06:35:16 PM
Just booked flights to Italy and France. Woo!

We were going to go just to Italy, but the flights were a total nightmare trying to go through Heathrow and deal with all sorts of Heathrow fees. So we decided to trade Venice for Paris, hop a euro discount airline [yet to be booked] from Florence to Paris, and see more. And this way we can avoid Heathrow.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on January 17, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
This weather lately really has me thinking of our upcoming trip to Florida. We're going for 9 days, and one of the goals is to come away with a property on which to build or renovate. Looking forward to it.
Been down here 10 days so far, weather has been up and down. But there hasn't been a minus sign on the thermometer, so I'm trying to remain grateful.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 17, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
Just wait until next year when everyone grumbles on why we can't run the read option.  He'll get his due.
In the fist half of the opener, folks asked where the JT running was, after an offseason of Kevin Wilson changing the offense hype.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
Just booked flights to Italy and France. Woo!

We were going to go just to Italy, but the flights were a total nightmare trying to go through Heathrow and deal with all sorts of Heathrow fees. So we decided to trade Venice for Paris, hop a euro discount airline [yet to be booked] from Florence to Paris, and see more. And this way we can avoid Heathrow.
Let me know if you want some advice for Firentze. I have some great experiences I could share - not the least of which is the cooking school we went to.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 17, 2018, 09:33:24 PM
I'm booking a trip to Phoenix for a board meeting I have to present).  Boo,  but it occurs just as Cactus League kicks off.   Yes!      That's gonna be my four-six week retirement spot for Feb to mid-March.  Not to own, I don't want to own 2nd properties, just to be lazy and watch cactus league ball.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 17, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
I just bought my week of spring training tickets the other day.  Along with boycotting the Giants, I'm adding the Cubs to that list.  $35-40 for a berm ticket is BS.  

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 17, 2018, 10:47:57 PM
After prepping for my taxes tonight, I decided to update my college football attendance game log.   Wow, I was behind.  Here are some fun  (to me anyways) facts.

116 games attended.
1st game,  N at Hawaii 1982
100th game: Nebraska 28 at Michigan State 24  (T Martinez ran wild, some questionable flags, and spotty play calls)
116th,  Arizona at USC 2017
I've seen games in 27 states.
15 Neutral site games
Home Team: 65-36, Road 36-65
Nebraska record in games attended: 58-11
I once witnessed 38 straight Nebraska wins (started v UCLA '94 broken at A&M in '98)
Others: Wisconsin 12-4, Iowa State 0-9, OU 3-3, KSU 2-4, ASU 0-4 at four different stadiums
4 OT games, road team 3-1 (N over ND, UO over ASU (3ot), Bama over LSU,  UW home win over Cal Poly 2 Ots)
18 games between two top ten teams
3  #1 vs 2 games,  all MNC title games
4 DIII games, 1 DII game
5 bowl game sites (six bowls total)
1 Ivy, 2 MAC home, 6/10 current XII, 10/14 B1G, 10/14 SEC, 4 PAC, 4 ACC, 1 WAC, 1 MTN
One defunct program: Pacific (now that UAB is back)
One whiteout blizzard (Ames), and a handful of snow games (also Ames).  two monsoons (N at Baylor,  Wyo at Ole Miss 
Most visits: Lincoln, Ames, Madison, Indianapolis (B1G CCG).
Biggest Shutouts:  Florida 62 Western Carolina 0, OSU 59 UW 0, N 57 Mizzou 0.
Largest margin of victory,  62,  N 69-7 over OU, and the UF 62-0 game.
Most points one team: Nebraska 77 vs  28 ASU in '95.  Highest total: UO 61 ASU 55.
Lowest scoring game: 2004 Nebraska 14 Kansas 8.
Hottest: several early season games in Lincoln (90+)
Coldest: probably Ames in '86, Lincoln vs OU once, and the Cal Poly game at UW.  (all below 25).
Most ridiculous stat line:  LT: Troy Edwards 21 catches, 405 yards (still a NCAA record) with a PR TD, in a 56-27 loss at N in '98.  The QB Tim Rattay passed for 550+.
Best games, attempt at objectivity: FSU 18-16 Orange Bowl win over N in '94 OB,  Louisville at Clemson 2016, MSU v Iowa B1G CCG, MSU v UW B1G CCG,  N at ND 2000.
Best beatdown to witness: N 62 v Florida 24.
Best Atmosphere: College Station/Baton Rouge tie.  (the rest of the great ones are interchangeable)
Worst Atmosphere: Yale Bowl (it was a Harvard Yale game for the Ivy title.  big buzzkill)
Worst Stadiums: Yale Bowl,  KU (though great campus and best hoops visit I've had) and Baylor's old stadium.
Best Tailgates: Ole Miss, LSU, Clemson.
Underrated trips:  KSU, Iowa, Kentucky and USC (perhaps my expectations were low)
Overrated: Neyland (though it is a low period), BigHouse (pre-reno, need to try again w better matchup), 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 17, 2018, 10:51:42 PM
I just bought my week of spring training tickets the other day.  Along with boycotting the Giants, I'm adding the Cubs to that list.  $35-40 for a berm ticket is BS.  


Yeah, that park is banned too (Cubs), unless I'm there for Fall League.  Glad to see Brewers and city have a deal and they are staying in Maryvale.   Peoria and Talking Stick are my two faves.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 17, 2018, 10:58:51 PM
Awesome rundown MH.  Quite an impressive record!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 17, 2018, 11:30:58 PM
Oh, and I guess I'll mention the wife and I split about 7 months ago. We still live only like 7 miles apart and have been for the most part amicable so it hasn't been too tough on the kids thankfully. It's not ideal but it could be worse.
:(
Damn, sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on January 18, 2018, 01:04:04 AM
This weather lately really has me thinking of our upcoming trip to Florida. We're going for 9 days, and one of the goals is to come away with a property on which to build or renovate. Looking forward to it.
It was in the 40s in Port Canaveral a few weeks ago, when I was there. But on Monday after I came inside after operating the snowblower this week in 0F with winds at 18 mph, my fingers wanted to fall off, so I'll take the 40s after all.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on January 18, 2018, 01:14:59 AM
After prepping for my taxes tonight, I decided to update my college football attendance game log.   Wow, I was behind.  Here are some fun  (to me anyways) facts.

116 games attended.
1st game,  N at Hawaii 1982
You keep a diary of every game? That's amazing.

My first game was probably 1967, I would guess. And by 1968, at age 11 I was buying my own ticket with my paper route money, and meeting mom and dad "under the water tower" after the game which you probably know where I mean. I didn't know how mom & dad would find a little kid under the water tower when 58,000 people were roaming around, but it worked out more than once.

I remember when the idea of tailgating was spawned and we had a station wagon. Mom fixed ham sandwiches for dad and me; dad drove the 90 miles to Iowa City. We had a cooler of pop, or who knows what dad had. We parked one-half mile away and opened the tailgate, thinking we are really fashionable. Not anyone else was really doing this nearby.

But I didn't count the games I attended. Yours is a remarkable account.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
It was in the 40s in Port Canaveral a few weeks ago, when I was there. But on Monday after I came inside after operating the snowblower this week in 0F with winds at 18 mph, my fingers wanted to fall off, so I'll take the 40s after all.
I'm looking in Punta Gorda, so pretty far South. It's been 70+ there, through most all of this. They'd had a few 60ish days sprinkled in but not many. It's a pretty warm place.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2018, 08:06:03 AM
After prepping for my taxes tonight, I decided to update my college football attendance game log.   Wow, I was behind.  Here are some fun  (to me anyways) facts.

116 games attended.
1st game,  N at Hawaii 1982
100th game: Nebraska 28 at Michigan State 24  (T Martinez ran wild, some questionable flags, and spotty play calls)
116th,  Arizona at USC 2017
I've seen games in 27 states.
15 Neutral site games
Home Team: 65-36, Road 36-65
Nebraska record in games attended: 58-11
I once witnessed 38 straight Nebraska wins (started v UCLA '94 broken at A&M in '98)
Others: Wisconsin 12-4, Iowa State 0-9, OU 3-3, KSU 2-4, ASU 0-4 at four different stadiums
4 OT games, road team 3-1 (N over ND, UO over ASU (3ot), Bama over LSU,  UW home win over Cal Poly 2 Ots)
18 games between two top ten teams
3  #1 vs 2 games,  all MNC title games
4 DIII games, 1 DII game
5 bowl game sites (six bowls total)
1 Ivy, 2 MAC home, 6/10 current XII, 10/14 B1G, 10/14 SEC, 4 PAC, 4 ACC, 1 WAC, 1 MTN
One defunct program: Pacific (now that UAB is back)
One whiteout blizzard (Ames), and a handful of snow games (also Ames).  two monsoons (N at Baylor,  Wyo at Ole Miss
Most visits: Lincoln, Ames, Madison, Indianapolis (B1G CCG).
Biggest Shutouts:  Florida 62 Western Carolina 0, OSU 59 UW 0, N 57 Mizzou 0.
Largest margin of victory,  62,  N 69-7 over OU, and the UF 62-0 game.
Most points one team: Nebraska 77 vs  28 ASU in '95.  Highest total: UO 61 ASU 55.
Lowest scoring game: 2004 Nebraska 14 Kansas 8.
Hottest: several early season games in Lincoln (90+)
Coldest: probably Ames in '86, Lincoln vs OU once, and the Cal Poly game at UW.  (all below 25).
Most ridiculous stat line:  LT: Troy Edwards 21 catches, 405 yards (still a NCAA record) with a PR TD, in a 56-27 loss at N in '98.  The QB Tim Rattay passed for 550+.
Best games, attempt at objectivity: FSU 18-16 Orange Bowl win over N in '94 OB,  Louisville at Clemson 2016, MSU v Iowa B1G CCG, MSU v UW B1G CCG,  N at ND 2000.
Best beatdown to witness: N 62 v Florida 24.
Best Atmosphere: College Station/Baton Rouge tie.  (the rest of the great ones are interchangeable)
Worst Atmosphere: Yale Bowl (it was a Harvard Yale game for the Ivy title.  big buzzkill)
Worst Stadiums: Yale Bowl,  KU (though great campus and best hoops visit I've had) and Baylor's old stadium.
Best Tailgates: Ole Miss, LSU, Clemson.
Underrated trips:  KSU, Iowa, Kentucky and USC (perhaps my expectations were low)
Overrated: Neyland (though it is a low period), BigHouse (pre-reno, need to try again w better matchup),
That is wonderful MH.

We have a new Gator in town.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2018, 09:08:50 AM
makes me wish I had kept a log

first game was 1981 in Lincoln vs FSU
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 18, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
So, I was supposed to be in Orlando right now playing baseball.  We had a death in the family so that fell through, and the death part is the important thing as it was not a grandparent situation.

We had planned to spend two weeks in Hilton Head after baseball camp and I managed to cancel that with few penalties.  HH can be coolish this time of year but it's nice because there are few people there.

The wife is wanting to do a Baltic cruise in May perhaps.  I've created a monster.

The stock market thing has changed my financial situation to the point that there is quite a bit of "play money" now above what I needed for retirement plus a generous safety factor.  

And I know what giveth can taketh away, but I stay on top of my allocations.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2018, 10:57:18 AM

I have most, but not all of the ticket stubs, that makes keeping a log a bit easier. Missing my first Nebraska home game ('85) ticket stub, and the '99 game at Kinnick.  The DIII games have no tickets.

I really wish I could assemble this for my MLB games, I do have a few full scorecard books, and shoe boxes of ticket stubs. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 18, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
Just booked flights to Italy and France. Woo!

We were going to go just to Italy, but the flights were a total nightmare trying to go through Heathrow and deal with all sorts of Heathrow fees. So we decided to trade Venice for Paris, hop a euro discount airline [yet to be booked] from Florence to Paris, and see more. And this way we can avoid Heathrow.
Italy!

If someone were to ask where in the world I wanted to visit I'd likely give myself a moment to come up with an exotic, sophisticated sounding answer, but if I were given only a split second to answer I'd yell "Italy!"

Of all the regions Europe offers, Italy feels most like it's own world apart from the rest. The food and wine are the best I've ever had. Rome is pristine in the touristy parts but I recommend Italy's northern cities. 

When exactly will you be in Venice? I visited Venice last April, right as the tourist season was picking up. The whole weekend was a was a childhood dream come true of riding around on the water taxis. Visually there's just nothing else in the world quite like seeing Venice for the first time. Liked it so much that I made sure my next trip to Vegas was spent in the Venetian.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 18, 2018, 11:35:42 AM
Yeah, that park is banned too (Cubs), unless I'm there for Fall League.  Glad to see Brewers and city have a deal and they are staying in Maryvale.   Peoria and Talking Stick are my two faves.
I hate the price gouging because I love variety - I've been to all 10 parks in a one-week span in the past.  Talking Stick has the most berm area, which is great.  And free sunscreen.  All of the parks have their quirks - the lady friend and I that go every year did a Spring Training ballpark review on facebook a couple of years back.
Cubs - red Wrigley Field sign replica, great food options
Giants - the mezanine or whatever is high on both sides, it's like you're walking through a downtown street market
Reds/Indians - that weird baseball/norse GOD sculpture thing, great gift shop
I moved to the ghetto in west phoenix, so I can walk to Maryvale park (Brewers).  I wanted cheap rent in a place that wasn't dangerous, and I feel like I did that.  Maryvale has great food options and always a cheap ticket.
ChiSox/Dodgers - just a pretty ballpark and grounds
I like the upper stands in Surprise - great view from up there.
Peoria used to have plenty of space to play catch, but now it's full of kids fun stuff.
Diablo (Angels) is always packed, and the berm sucks (steep slope on the backside).
The A's moved into the Cubs old place (HohoKam), it's mostly average.  Lots of room in right-center for the fans.
While it's rarer and rarer, there aren't many better things to do than pay $8 to see major league baseball for a few innings, then maybe some prospects get in.  I went to the AZ Fall League All-Star game, that was great, too.  Sit wherever you want - downside of the AZ Fall League for me is it's all day games, so those of us with jobs aren't invited.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
When exactly will you be in Venice? I visited Venice last April, right as the tourist season was picking up. The whole weekend was a was a childhood dream come true of riding around on the water taxis. Visually there's just nothing else in the world quite like seeing Venice for the first time. Liked it so much that I made sure my next trip to Vegas was spent in the Venetian.
As mentioned, we were going to finish the Italy trip in Venice, but due to some issues with flights we decided we'll skip Venice and go to Paris instead. It just means we'll have to go back. :)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 03:24:53 PM
the SFBadger/Irish family is also planning on Italy this summer. I have less vacation than SFIrish, so she's taking the kids to Spain and Nice first (lucky girl--and we have a hookup in Nice for free lodging), then we meet at my brother's in Austria (Villach) before heading down Italy: Venice, Florence, Amalfi/Pompei, with the big finish in Rome. Can. Not. Wait.

Really indulgent, but with the cost to get the family there and back, we figured we should see what we can in the time available.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2018, 03:52:23 PM
I read the Dodgers/White Sox complex added more shaded seats on 3B side.   About time, if you didn't pounce on tickets the moment they went on sale, you had no chance to find shade.  That, IMO was that place's only drawback, otherwise just a gorgeous complex/grounds.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 18, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
Yeah, I don't mind the sun, but in looking for Cubs tickets a couple years ago for a pregnant friend who valued shade, I came to learn how sought-after those seats are.  I had never considered it before.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 18, 2018, 04:12:59 PM
I don't keep records, but I've been fortunate to see MLB games in numerous parks the past couple of years, including Safeco, ATT, Kaufman, Busch, Camden, Nats Park, Fenway, Yankee stadium, Citizens Bank, PNC Park and whatever they call that mausoleum where the ChiSox play (which was a memorable game as I got to see a brawl between KC and Sox in which both starting pitchers were tossed in the 7th of a 2-2 tie, and it went 13 innings on very chilly April night but they kept the beer flowing and so about 2000 or so of us diehards waited, standing and shivering, until we finally saw Hosmer hit the game winning double in the top of the 13th). 

For me ATT still rules all with those crab sandwiches on that terrace over looking SF Bay, but I like a lot of the other stadiums, particularly Safeco and PNC park (hard to admit the Pirates have a better stadium than St Louis as a Cards fan, but it is what it is).  

I also got a foul ball at Safeco, which doubled my collection!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2018, 04:46:36 PM
The South Side ball park is actually very nice. Not a bad seat in the place and the food is really good. Convenient parking and mass-transit too. We take the Metra/L combo when we go down there for games.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 18, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
I've traveled far more in France than in any other European country.  I thought Spain and Italy were "a lot like France" in most respects.  I like to ask the folks in the wine business what country's wine they would drink if they could drink no others ever.  It always comes down to Italy and France, and France seems to win out because of Champagne.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2018, 05:32:16 PM
The fan experience at 'new' Comiskey is much improved from its first 5-8 years.   My dream someday is to a do a triple header of Sox, Cubs and Brewers in a single day.  I've done Wrigley, Miller Park on the same day, but love to figure out the triple header.  Likely would need to be a 12:15 start at one of them in Chicago, then the 3:15 Fox game, followed by a 6:05 (usual Sat start) in Milwaukee, or some variation.   Miss a couple innings for sure.

I've done this once in college football (Norman, then Stillwater on the same day).   You could do a triple header in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill if you tried.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 18, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
France also has a wider range of wines IMHO than Italy, though Italy has a bizarre profusion of different varietals.  Italy is not particularly notable for white wines while France has probably the best in the world.

I tend to think Italy has two great wine regions, Piedmont and Tuscany, while France has the Rhone, Burgundy, and Bordeaux, plus the Loire Valley and Champagne.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 18, 2018, 05:41:42 PM
Well, maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on it.  I took the L also to get there, which was pretty convenient, but was kind of thrown because there was only one entrance on the other side of the park and you had to walk up a long dark ramp to get into the place.  Maybe I missed other entrances, dunno.

I did appreciate them keeping the beer flowing into extra innings - that was pretty hospitable.  And I did have good seats.  So, okay, I take back the mausoleum comment.  It was a good game, and I had fun, even in the cold. 

Here's a clip of the brawl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpR0fhJ1HQA

Ventura (RIP) was the primary provocator, but Sale, Samardja and Cain were also way into it.  I also got a bit of a video of this, but not as good as the clip above

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 18, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
116 games attended.
Wow, I wish I had thought to keep a log like this.  I have no idea how many games I have attended.  I think I'm probably close to you in total games and in different bowl games attended but you are WAY beyond me in variety otherwise.  I can only think of one non-Ohio State CFB game that I ever attended and even for that, it was Ohio State related.  In 2001 I was a Student at the University of Akron Law School.  The easiest way for me to get tickets to the Akron/Ohio State game was to buy student tickets through Akron but they wouldn't let me do that without also buying at least two Akron home games.  I took my dad to Ohio vs Akron the week before Akron at Ohio State.  
Impressive list and I think even more impressive that you kept a log of all of it!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 06:12:23 PM
Wow. In that clip Ventura literally complains to the umpire that, "He hit the ball at me..." Buddy, no one is that good. Not Joe Dimaggio, Babe Ruth, or Tony Gwynn. Still, I suppose it was entertaining.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on January 18, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
A teenager got in an altercation with a cop and got killed yesterday at my job, which was kind of crazy.  Then my dog cut his paw and bled all over everything last night, so it's been a wacky 24 hours
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 07:15:08 PM
Yikes--is that the courtroom in Columbus that's in the news? Sounds awful all the way around.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on January 18, 2018, 07:33:10 PM
Yikes--is that the courtroom in Columbus that's in the news? Sounds awful all the way around.
It is the same
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2018, 08:14:56 PM
I have a lot of ticket stubs to the CFB games I've attended but not all of them

I'd estimate I've attended around 185 games
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Ventura (RIP) 


Huh? Robin is not dead as far as I know. I hope this is not true.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 18, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
Huh? Robin is not dead as far as I know. I hope this is not true.
This was a different Ventura.  Yordano.  He died tragically at age 25 in a car crash, one of many such untimely MLB deaths lately including Jose Fernandez (who was already at star level) and Oscar Taveras (who would have been the next Pujols for the Cards - he hit a homer in his first major league AB).   Yordano was a bit of a hothead, as you can see in the clip, but still was a kid with beaucoup talent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yordano_Ventura
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2018, 07:01:09 AM
Got it. Sorry for my brain fart. Your post shook me up pretty good and I had to start looking for Robin, because I love the guy. Probably my favorite Sox player, after Ozzie and Konerko.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2018, 07:04:56 AM
So our big trip this year is going to be going to Amsterdam, then Barcelona, and then a cruise. We'll fly to Amsterdam and then to Barcelona (train was not convenient at all between those two cities). Then we hop on the ship and end up in Miami, where we fly home to Chicago.

I'll add more details as we finalize plans, but that is the general idea.

The following year will be a 3 week tour of Italy. We got our beaks wet last year with a week in Florence and a short stay in Rome. I really need to get to Sicily too, to find my great-grandpa's home in Palermo.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2018, 08:42:31 AM
 My dream someday is to a do a triple header of Sox, Cubs and Brewers in a single day.  I've done Wrigley, Miller Park on the same day, but love to figure out the triple header.  
Friends of mine did this back in the Day - sort of.Left Ohio drove up to Comiskey and caught a noon Sox contest.Afterwards drove up to Milwaulkee (County Stadium) for a 7:30 Brewers game.Stayed in Suds City overnite.Then drove back down to Chicago for a Cubbies day game at Wrigley.Not in the same day but within 24 hrs - pretty cool
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
So, I was supposed to be in Orlando right now playing baseball.  We had a death in the family so that fell through, and the death part is the important thing as it was not a grandparent situation
Sorry to hear that CD - condolences
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 19, 2018, 10:22:54 AM
Badge, your thoughts on flying versus train in Europe show how well that transportation system works. You have options and you can choose the one that makes the most sense. Amersterdam is a long way from Barcelona, and a flight--particularly on the discount airlines Europe has--is a great option. the SF family will be taking the plane likely from Barcelona to Nice and Nice to Vienna because it makes a lot more sense than a 12-hour train ride. And then from Villach to Vienna, to Florence, to Salerno, to Rome, the train will make more sense. Options are great. :-)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 19, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
Badge, your thoughts on flying versus train in Europe show how well that transportation system works. You have options and you can choose the one that makes the most sense. Amersterdam is a long way from Barcelona, and a flight--particularly on the discount airlines Europe has--is a great option. the SF family will be taking the plane likely from Barcelona to Nice and Nice to Vienna because it makes a lot more sense than a 12-hour train ride. And then from Villach to Vienna, to Florence, to Salerno, to Rome, the train will make more sense. Options are great. :-)
I've only flown in Europe once (aside from a connecting flight), from London to Athens, and while cheap, I was convinced the plane was going to break apart during flight.  They also were not enforcing the no smoking, and the lone drink option was red wine in a Solo cup.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2018, 12:44:04 PM
Got it. Sorry for my brain fart. Your post shook me up pretty good and I had to start looking for Robin, because I love the guy. Probably my favorite Sox player, after Ozzie and Konerko.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH-SlMF0doQ
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
I swear that's my Mom's favorite moment in baseball history.    She would always make reference it to us when we were talking back.    'come over here and I'll handle you like Robin Ventura.' (imitating the headlock and punching hold)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 19, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
Sorry to hear that CD - condolences
Thanks.  I'm still a bit shook up.  No need to go into details here.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 22, 2018, 05:41:22 PM
116 games attended.
Wow. 
I am at 56 games attended, with many more teams & places I want to experience.
The team I've seen the most is my alma mater, Arizona, at 24, with UCLA, Arizona State, Virginia Tech, & Hawaii (stationed at Pearl Harbor) taking a distance 2nd.
Because my alma mater isn't always worth the frustration during a down year, and since I move around a lot, I've diversified my attendance to prioritize big game experiences and destination bowls I grew up wanting to see for myself. Made a point to check out home games for Penn St, Notre Dame, Auburn, Michigan, and Virginia Tech to name the bigger few during my time on the East Coast.
Would love to someday see Wisconsin, Iowa, LSU, Miami, and Clemson off the top of my head.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 22, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
You tell me when you want to do Madison and I'll try my best to be there.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 25, 2018, 01:25:56 PM
For passing time in the off season, the SF family finally caved and purchased an X Box (in November). Here's a quick review from a near-Luddite:

(1) Wow! Modern video games are WAY more complex/beautiful/interesting than the games I grew up with.

(2) The X Box takes a long time to load up, which is a little annoying. I would like to be able to snap the thing on and play, but it normally takes a bit to get it up and running, then get a game loaded. That's a little annoying when I have a 20-minute window and want to fill it with some game time.

(3) I like that I can play blu-rays on it (I never invested in a blu-ray player), but the app's UI and UX are pretty weak.

(4) Games:
We're pretty limited, but here's what I have and my thoughts:

(5) Biggest complaints:

Anyway, that's one of the things we're doing in the off season. And it has been a fun ride so far.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: UT-Erin03 on January 25, 2018, 02:03:06 PM
My condolences to @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) for your loss, and also to @DevilFroggy (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35)  for the divorce news.   I hope you both are doing okay and can find some comfort during the tough times.  

RE travel -  Venice will always be special since that's where we got engaged, but I probably won't go back unless there was a stellar deal specifically for it.  I do want to go back to travel other parts of Italy.  

I'm looking to return to Barcelona because  I've been itching for a return trip ever since I did my study abroad over 10 years ago.  If we can get a good flight deal for this year, we may swing it but it's likely not going to happen until 2019.  We always go to Croatia when we visit Europe so that would be part of the trip.    Our last Euro-trip was a few days in Paris, then to Bordeaux (by train), then Bordeaux to Croatian coast (by plane).  Then back home direct flight to HTX from there.     Every time I get back home I start thinking about where to go next, I just love Europe.  

I do hope to have our Board Meeting organized and budding during the off-season, plus we have some minor weekend trips in the works but nothing too extravagant at this time.  Possibly NOLA for JazzFest.  

As far as other busy-distractions for the off-season, I tend to get caught up on tv shows and movies when the football season ends, so I'm compiling some shows that I've heard are good and plan to do more Netflix streaming in the coming months.    Also trying to improve my piano skills with practicing more frequently and setting a timer so that I can get into doing it for an hour a day.  

There's a new Rugby league that started up, and my hometown team plays in a baseball stadium that is the closest one near my home, so we have talked about getting some tickets to check out the Rugby games here and there.  They are priced very well and I do really like the venue in particular, so who knows, maybe it will be a good filler team to watch during the next few months as well.

And some of you have some amazing logs of games under your belt, especially @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) .
I have a good list of stadiums and games that I'm happy to have been to, as well as a bucket list of stadiums that I haven't yet, but your list is incredible.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/MUeQeEQaDCjE4/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 25, 2018, 08:09:20 PM
Thanks Erin.  We're off to France tomorrow for a second funeral and internment.  I probably will just be spaced out since it will all be in French anyway.  This hit me pretty hard, which is a tribute to the young man I think.

I wish I could have done more.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on January 25, 2018, 08:19:36 PM

  • World of Tanks: I like this game a lot. I'm a little frustrated that there's no way to block out the cursing (other than muting the whole game) from other players in the multi-player, which is the best way to play (although maybe I'm missing something). It's frustrating when you get thrown in with people who are much better than you (seems like weighting the player's skill more than the tank's relative characteristics would be a better way to queue players). My biggest complaint is that there is no two-player mode from a single console. That shouldn't be hard to do, but it doesn't exist. It would also be cool if the multi player had a way to (consistently) fight allies vs. axis type battles, rather than just a random assortment of relatively equal tanks. But it has a nice build to it, and so far we've managed to really enjoy it without spending much money on it (I bought my son a $20 starter pack, but two others of us have played it for free, and really like it). The War Stories boards are cool, and the whole thing has--again--amazing graphics. I would like it more if there were more War Stories (and more focused on actual historical events) with more in-depth playing against the AI, but overall, very happy with it.
  • It also doesn't seem to have any good flight games. I remember playing a really cool Star Wars simulator, I think called Rogue Squadron, that could be great on this kind of system. Similarly, a World War II flight simulator could be really well done, but there don't seem to be any games that have attempted it.

The dogfighting equivalent to World of Tanks is a game called War Thunder. It's a free (massive) download for PC, but currently in development for Xbox. I do not know if they've announced a release date. But if you're looking for a flight game, and like world of tanks, I think you'll like War Thunder.
I haven't played it for a while, deleting it for productivity reasons, so I'm unsure what the current game will look like. But I absolutely loved the version I played (2015ish).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks Erin.  We're off to France tomorrow for a second funeral and internment.  I probably will just be spaced out since it will all be in French anyway.  This hit me pretty hard, which is a tribute to the young man I think.

I wish I could have done more.
Be well my friend. I'm sorry for your pain.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Here’s a look at each team’s updated five-year S&P+ history.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/2/2/16963776/college-football-rankings-last-five-years-alabama-auburn-florida (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/2/2/16963776/college-football-rankings-last-five-years-alabama-auburn-florida)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 03, 2018, 07:47:51 PM

RE travel -  Venice will always be special since that's where we got engaged, but I probably won't go back unless there was a stellar deal specifically for it.  I do want to go back to travel other parts of Italy.  

I'm looking to return to Barcelona because  I've been itching for a return trip ever since I did my study abroad over 10 years ago.  If we can get a good flight deal for this year, we may swing it but it's likely not going to happen until 2019.  We always go to Croatia when we visit Europe so that would be part of the trip.    Our last Euro-trip was a few days in Paris, then to Bordeaux (by train), then Bordeaux to Croatian coast (by plane).  Then back home direct flight to HTX from there.     Every time I get back home I start thinking about where to go next, I just love Europe.  

 



May I ask where you've spent time in Croatia? I lived in Croatia for a short while, and though it was on the coast it was more of an industrial town that what passed over by the flocks of summer tourists vacationing in Istria, Split, Zadar, Zagreb, and of course Dubrovnik. I kept hearing Croatia was Europe's best kept secret, but by the time I got there it seemed discovered by the rest of Europe's vacationers. Prettiest region of sea coast and mountains I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: UT-Erin03 on February 07, 2018, 09:56:22 AM
May I ask where you've spent time in Croatia? I lived in Croatia for a short while, and though it was on the coast it was more of an industrial town that what passed over by the flocks of summer tourists vacationing in Istria, Split, Zadar, Zagreb, and of course Dubrovnik. I kept hearing Croatia was Europe's best kept secret, but by the time I got there it seemed discovered by the rest of Europe's vacationers. Prettiest region of sea coast and mountains I've ever seen.
We visited Zagreb and Pag both times we have gone, as we have friends over there with houses in both places that let us crash when we are there.   We have flown in and out of Zadar.    Then one of the trips over there we took a yacht excursion for several days and visited coastal towns & islands including Split, Korcula, Hvar, & Loviste.   That was kickass, and the water was so clear and beautiful, as well as gorgeous views all over the place.    Even with tourists dominating the presence in some of those stops, all of the places we went to felt relaxed, friendly, and appreciative to have people visiting.     


Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 07, 2018, 12:25:32 PM
There are several CrockPots of bean soup cooking out in the hallway under the guise of a chili cook off...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: UT-Erin03 on February 07, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
There are several CrockPots of bean soup cooking out in the hallway under the guise of a chili cook off...
<br />(https://thumb.ibb.co/n4FZDx/Chili.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n4FZDx)<br />
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 08, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
http://footballscoop.com/news/greg-sankey-mississippi-schools-lose-home-games-new-gun-law-passes/ (http://footballscoop.com/news/greg-sankey-mississippi-schools-lose-home-games-new-gun-law-passes/)


New Gun laws in Mississippi could cause schools to lose home games....
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2018, 04:50:21 PM
Ole Miss and MSU can play some non-con games at Big Ten venues such as Camp Randall to help the situation
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
Had to take an unplanned trip to France, just back yesterday.  We got caught in the snow but managed to avoid the worst of the traffic delays.  Where we were staying was really beautiful as the snow was wet and heavy and stuck to the trees.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2018, 02:10:54 PM
harder and harder for me to see the beauty in snow
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2018, 05:29:58 PM
In other news, we arrived at a new hotel and I knew immediately how to use the shower.  This is a first for me and probably means I'm a douche.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 09, 2018, 05:54:08 PM
Welcome home.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
Former Huskers can sell their game-used jerseys, but not everyone is a fan of the practice

http://www.starherald.com/sports/big_red_wrap/football/former-huskers-can-sell-their-game-used-jerseys-but-not/article_6f896d6e-7970-561d-8f6a-9cf3111238d5.html (http://www.starherald.com/sports/big_red_wrap/football/former-huskers-can-sell-their-game-used-jerseys-but-not/article_6f896d6e-7970-561d-8f6a-9cf3111238d5.html)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 12, 2018, 09:03:21 PM
My brothers and I had to put my Ma in hospice yesterday. It's been an exhausting couple of weeks for us.

This is the hardest thing I've ever been through. My Dad was sudden, and while it hurt, it was a whole lot easier than this.

Just gut-wrenching. Damn.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 12, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
I'm sorry to hear that badge.... deepest condolences, Sir... I can't imagine.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2018, 09:18:17 PM
damn tough duty

hang in there big guy
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 12, 2018, 10:04:44 PM
Sorry to hear that, Badge. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2018, 07:58:13 AM
It's over. No more suffering now, for her, me and the family.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2018, 08:57:14 AM
It's over. No more suffering now, for her, me and the family.
damn- deepest condolences once again, Sir.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: UT-Erin03 on February 13, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
In other news, we arrived at a new hotel and I knew immediately how to use the shower.  This is a first for me and probably means I'm a douche.
The trick for me when visiting a Euro-shower is to remember NOT to pull the little string.  
The string is there, begging to be pulled, but I've done it enough times to know that I should not pull the string.   

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: UT-Erin03 on February 13, 2018, 10:17:52 AM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) I'm so very sorry for your loss. 
My heart is with you and your family during this tough time. 

**Sending Texas Size Hugs**
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
It's over. No more suffering now, for her, me and the family.
very sorry for your loss
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 13, 2018, 10:58:44 AM
Yeah, dang. Sorry Badge. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
My brothers and I had to put my Ma in hospice yesterday. It's been an exhausting couple of weeks for us.

This is the hardest thing I've ever been through. My Dad was sudden, and while it hurt, it was a whole lot easier than this.

Just gut-wrenching. Damn.
Sorry, Badge. I just watched as my fiance's close friend had her mother [already 5 years into early onset Alzheimer's] deal with a minor stroke and brain hemorrhage, and had about 2 weeks of hospice in home with her until she passed. I wouldn't wish caring for someone with Alzheimer's on my worst enemy. 
Best of luck as you deal with her passing. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
I will say that the hospice people I have worked with over the years with my Father and Grandparents were absolutely amazing.

I could only aspire to be so kind, compassionate, caring, helpful, and friendly during the toughest times.

On the top of my list for monetary contributions.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 13, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
I am sorry to hear this news Badge.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2018, 05:56:24 PM
I'm still trying to come to some kind of understanding about death.  Someone very close to me just died, which is why I had to go to France suddenly.  It still leaves me empty even if it has not been the crushing experience that was the loss of my son, this was my step son.  He had been depressed, and it had spiraled down, and he took matters into his own hands.

The wife, and it was her biological son, tells me he's happier now.  He was in a lot of pain before, I understood that.  I didn't think he was quite there.  His psychiatrist of several years died from cancer and he couldn't find a person he was comfortable with and then quit his meds.

I don't like it.  My parents have passed on, but they were both 93.  I sort of get that.  I just spoke with another man my age whose son just died of a heroin OD.  He was crushed, but said he half expected it at some point.

I keep wondering what I could have done differently.  My step son and I were close but he had just drifted away over the past couple of months. 

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 13, 2018, 06:16:50 PM
Sorry Cincy, that's really rough on a mother. 

My favorite female cousin had a son that did that a few years back, and she recently did the same thing herself. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2018, 06:36:06 PM
The kids I have are not "mine" (I married three people 21 years ago), but I could not imagine losing one of them. I think that would be far more devastating than losing a parent. 

Ma fought cancer for almost 20 years, and when I say fight, I mean it. In 2008 she was given 6 months to live. She got a very long 6 months and I'm so proud of her and how she beat it for so damn long.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on February 13, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
It's over. No more suffering now, for her, me and the family.
Deepest condolences. Everyone grieves differently, make sure while you are helping those you love, you let some of them help you out too.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2018, 06:40:46 PM
Depression/anxiety/mental health issues are horrible

tough for the victim to deal with

tough for others - even very close friends and family members to understand

tough for docs to treat effectively

the most frustrating thing for me is the lack of quality options for help and treatment

my daughter suffers and I've often wondered if she would take matters into her own hands and if she would be more at peace if so

very hard to wrap my head around and to deal with

I would give everything I have for a more effective treatment method than simply popping pills
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on February 13, 2018, 06:48:33 PM
I'm still trying to come to some kind of understanding about death.  Someone very close to me just died, which is why I had to go to France suddenly.  It still leaves me empty even if it has not been the crushing experience that was the loss of my son, this was my step son.  He had been depressed, and it had spiraled down, and he took matters into his own hands.

The wife, and it was her biological son, tells me he's happier now.  He was in a lot of pain before, I understood that.  I didn't think he was quite there.  His psychiatrist of several years died from cancer and he couldn't find a person he was comfortable with and then quit his meds.

I don't like it.  My parents have passed on, but they were both 93.  I sort of get that.  I just spoke with another man my age whose son just died of a heroin OD.  He was crushed, but said he half expected it at some point.

I keep wondering what I could have done differently.  My step son and I were close but he had just drifted away over the past couple of months.


I don't even know what to say...
Losing my infant son (5 years ago) is definitely the hardest thing I have ever experienced (still experiencing.) If I could scamper through the internet I would give you and your wife the biggest hugs I could right now.
Deepest condolences.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
it's kinda corny, but... this song struck home with me.  i'm thinking it's not to be misinterpreted- i don't 'read' it as "no regrets" (which i've always believed to be bull shit of the highest order) but instead of finding peace...

there are two ways of not giving a shit about anything anymore- one way constructive and the other destructive.  the destructive way is obvious, but the constructive way is not near so easy- it only comes with peace and realizing you've done well not only for yourself and loved ones, but others from a five degrees of separation vantage as well.  i can't define, but this song makes it easier to imagine, a peace where you rest knowing all is well and concern is something that's a waste of time.  i wager that's the brass ring that is damn near unobtainable- but worthy of attempt.

the thing about death is the finality of it- again, not in the obvious sense but in the manner that everything a person was, which was fluid and could change at any moment, get's chipped in stone and forever recorded- almost like a reference from that point forward... an example would be asking someone here something and not knowing what the response is going to be, as opposed to thinking about how a person who has passed would respond... the deceased have written their book and it's a matter of record.  the finality of the deceased leaves little room for guessing. i guess i'm saying that a story isn't complete until it's read from beginning to end- too much can change in the final chapters to know the record, but that isn't true for a complete story... the song, i'm thinking, describes a dream or ambition of parting with the comfort of knowing you're story is inspirational instead of foreboding to the observer.  it's said lives are futile like individual grains of sand on the beach- but the same analogy is countered by saying each of those grains has a direct impact on the position of those adjacent, meaning the shift on a far flung beach, however slight, is measurable on some scale.  these passing's, both those expected and records complete as well as those abrupt and startling hardly providing definition at all, each and every one have that shifting effect and each are equally important.  there is no vain in or of life- it's just the stories vary and shift us to the purpose they were intended.   if that is good or bad is a matter of perspective, i reckon.

further corny:  i've posted at every gate into my mental control center a ghost as sentry- and the approach and concept this song presents slipped right past them.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFGs7HP15d4


Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
i'm sorry for all my friends i should have added- it's something that is a lonely passage... @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) , @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , @TyphonInc (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8) ....
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2018, 08:16:30 PM
Thanks for letting "us" share.  This is a great community.  I know back in the day y'all helped me in a way to recover from my deep grief knowing I had these strangers on the Internet who really cared about folks.

The wife is wanting to move to ATL fairly soonish, and we're headed down to check places out.  I think she needs a change in venue.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on February 13, 2018, 10:06:16 PM
My condolences, Badge and Cincy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2018, 11:07:13 PM
So sorry to hear about the recent news, badge and CD.  Prayers and condolences for you.

And also to you typhon, I didn't know, and I can't imagine.

Life is precious, certainly more important than the diversions that originally brought many of us together, but also made interesting and worthwhile by those diversions and the people we meet because of them.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 14, 2018, 06:15:46 PM
Thoughts across the internet to both of you, can't imagine what you are dealing with right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 15, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
trying to make the place more like 'home' was... slowly but surely... how y'all like the helmets across the top on the message index?  

and.... this is the fastest page i've ever built, now.  check speed at: https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/cQQUGd/https://www.cfb51.com (https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/cQQUGd/https://www.cfb51.com)

make sure and use NY or Cali.... it crawls on the overseas servers, but... we don't really trust college football fans from other over there now do we... :)


there are a few more things i can do to increase it, but the other night i actually had it going too fast... the page was trying to load before the session authentication script could be verified- resulting in a 403:Forbidden page...

if any y'all see that, will ya let me know?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 15, 2018, 09:36:31 PM
I got the 403 a couple weeks ago, I assumed maintenance

didn't mention it
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 16, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
Former Nebraska defensive coordinator Kevin Cosgrove will serve as New Mexico’s acting head coach during Bob Davie’s 30-day suspension.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 16, 2018, 02:53:19 PM
Haven't the kids suffered enough.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 16, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
perhaps Cos will then be too busy to coach the defense 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 16, 2018, 11:22:21 PM
It's over. No more suffering now, for her, me and the family.
Just saw this Badge,my condolences,Godspeed
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2018, 08:43:39 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/roster-talent-rankings-college-football-teams-with-the-best-players-in-2018/

Just a summary of recruiting rankings past five years unadjusted.  FSU is up there.  Wisconsin of course is not.  Michigan State makes the list but barely.

It's amazing what Wisconsin does with "3 star guys".



Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2018, 08:49:39 AM
It's amazing what Wisconsin does with "3 star guys".




It is, but at the same time you just get the feeling that they won't get over the top.

Bama has great coaching too. UW probably isn't going to beat a team like that on a playoff stage. We saw a glimpse in the Big Ten championship game.

That said, I do believe football in the State of Wisconsin is underrated. There is more talent up there than the recruiting services think.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 23, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
It's amazing what Wisconsin does with "3 star guys".




And Iowa too, albeit to lesser success. Goes to show what I've learned the hard way - keeping bodies on campus and developing them properly is far more important than letting the higher end talent steer the ship (think SC's teams under Kiffin & Sarkisian).
It usually takes learning the hard way but improving your recruiting to landing the 4 stars you want sometimes isn't worth it. A 4 star performs better at a place like Ohio St where from day one his job is on potentially lost to another 4 star. Wasn't it Michigan St a few years ago landed a boat load of 4 stars and only one or two are still on campus? Same thing happened to Iowa following the Drew Tate 10 win seasons. Too much big-fish-in-smaller-pond ego kicking in from what I remember.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
It is, but at the same time you just get the feeling that they won't get over the top.

Bama has great coaching too. UW probably isn't going to beat a team like that on a playoff stage. We saw a glimpse in the Big Ten championship game.

That said, I do believe football in the State of Wisconsin is underrated. There is more talent up there than the recruiting services think.

Yeah, I've said the same. To be elite, you need elite coaching AND elite talent. I think Wisconsin does a superb job of recruiting the right players to their system, defending their state borders, and have been remarkable at developing players across multiple coaching staffs. 

But they don't get the talent to truly be a contender at the top level. That's not to say that Wisconsin can't beat Bama on any given day. But effectively the B1GCCG is a quarterfinal that will usually be played against a team with better talent than Wisconsin, followed by a CFP semifinal against another team with better talent than Wisconsin, and finally a CFP CG against a third team with better talent than Wisconsin. It would take a extraordinary amount of good fortune to go 3-0 against that slate.


And Iowa too, albeit to lesser success. Goes to show what I've learned the hard way - keeping bodies on campus and developing them properly is far more important than letting the higher end talent steer the ship (think SC's teams under Kiffin & Sarkisian).
It usually takes learning the hard way but improving your recruiting to landing the 4 stars you want sometimes isn't worth it. A 4 star performs better at a place like Ohio St where from day one his job is on potentially lost to another 4 star. Wasn't it Michigan St a few years ago landed a boat load of 4 stars and only one or two are still on campus? Same thing happened to Iowa following the Drew Tate 10 win seasons. Too much big-fish-in-smaller-pond ego kicking in from what I remember.
Purdue as well has had some issues with 4* recruits. It seemed for several years that nearly every 4* that came to West Lafayette ended up being a bust. I think the "big fish" problem was a lot of the reason for that. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on February 23, 2018, 02:09:17 PM
been hit or miss on here last few weeks. wife had kid#4 on the 12th. surprise. finally getting back into swing of things. i've been stealing a jim gaffigan joke.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEbZrY0G9PI)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2018, 02:12:02 PM
Congrats on the 4th kid.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2018, 10:25:32 AM
corngrats!

I'll have a cigar
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on February 27, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on February 27, 2018, 01:49:29 PM
Not sure why I ended up on ESPN, but they have 5 B1G teams in the top 11.

Shut the door, I can't fathom how a conference that was left out of the playoff has half of the top teams in the nation?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22409835/clemson-tigers-alabama-crimson-tide-top-post-signing-day-way-too-early-2018-top-25
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2018, 08:56:37 AM

Welllll... So we're back in the frozen tundra after spending the past 11 days in Florida, which, by the way, got pretty chilly the last couple of days/nights.

Anyway, I met Mrs. 847 in Palm Beach Gardens after I flew into PBI. She had been in Orlando on business and drove down to meet me there, at a friend's place. That's a pretty nice area overall.

My buddy just picked up a new Grady with a Yamaha 300 on it, and we were able to get out on it a few times. The InterCoastal is pretty cool, but it was also nice to get out on the big pond and tool around in 4 foot waves and not get beat up. Really nice boat and something I would consider in my next life.

PBG is part of the greater Palm Beach area, which is much different than I expected. But I don't think it's for us moving forward as the prices for homes on the water can get pretty high, pretty fast. I guess this is typical of the East side, according to our friends.

They have a nice home - not on the water - but they have in/out service for their boat, which runs almost $1K per month to have. That's a big nugget.

The vibe of the area.. interesting. Lots of East Coast people have moved down, and also lots of Canadians and Europeans. The food and club scene was pretty active, but we did not partake in the latter as much as we did the former. The seafood was amazing, but that's Florida.

More to come. Captiva is next up, followed by Punta Gorda and then Clearwater.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM
Gonna have to insert a little side topic in here. So, the drive from PBG to Captiva was.. interesting.

I was 8 or 9 years old when my Dad drove the family through the middle of Florida, from St. Pete to Fort Lauderdale. I remember the stop in or around Lake Okeechobee for lunch. It seemed OK way back then. I think we had BBQ at a place that overlooked the big lake.

Fast-forward to today - 43 or 44 years later. Wow. So, down that way in Florida is very different from the coasts on either side. Much of the areas are really depressed and run down. The rest is pretty much entirely agriculture. We saw 4-5 wildfires and/or controlled burns too, which seemed strange until we found out that there has been very little rain down there lately.

Also, it seems to me that a whole shit-ton of water works have occurred recently, as the big lake was not even visible from the roads due to large levees (grrrr) and dams (grrrr).

Nobody shows this part of Florida on TV, or writes about it in the travel magazines and stuff.

It was eye-opening.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 10, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
Those are the areas where Florida Man lives, Badge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Man 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2018, 02:20:09 PM
Well, we saw a whole lot of Florida Men in that case. What about Florida Women? Is that a thing too?

I did treat Mrs. 847 to lunch at a local joint in Clewiston. I could do a write-up on that one too.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
I may or may not have said my vows last night in order to legally become married before going to Italy where our "official" elopement will occur...

But don't tell anyone. It's a secret ;-) 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2018, 12:57:53 PM
I assume this means congratulations are in order?

I'm very happy for you. I know you've been through a lot.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2018, 01:21:25 PM
Corngrats!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
I'm moving south, but not to Florida
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2018, 02:32:41 PM
I assume this means congratulations are in order?

I'm very happy for you. I know you've been through a lot.

Corngrats!

Assuming the event happened, yes I accept your congratulations ;-)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2018, 03:15:03 PM
speaking of Chicago/DePaul in the hoops thread made me want to mention to Mr. 847 to visit Monteverde, if he hasn't already.  Wonderful Italian restaurant in the West Loop.  My brother is friends with a co-owner (used to work with her) and it was wonderful.  The Ragu (can feed 2-4 people) is spectacular.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
I've heard about that place, but it wasn't a good review like yours. Maybe I'll check it out next time I'm down there (which is more rare as time goes by).

My favorite U.S. place for Italian (so far) is in Sheboygan.

Yes.

That Sheboygan.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2018, 05:04:56 PM
must be Stefano's?  He/they own a few places IIRC in the area, an upscale spot, a pizzeria, Farm to table place and another place on the waterfront .   There's another place up there (Lino's?), not sure how that is.

my boss and a friend are from Sheboygan originally, hence I have some Sheboygan knowledge beyond the 'roll' and fish boils.  Elite golf courses in nearby Kohler and on the lake of course.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2018, 05:31:28 PM
Yes, Trattoria Stefano. 

Stefano also owns Il Ritrovo (brick oven place, great pizza/pasta), Field to Fork (sandwich/breakfast/market) and Duke of Devon (English pub food - excellent).

FtF also does random special nights like German. Russian, Polish, French, etc. foods as an experiment. 

We take the boat up there twice per season or so. Long boat ride (and gas...) for dinner, but it's just that good.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
Hmmm, great golf and great food?

Roadtrip!

October 6th?

Probably be too busy with work, but maybe in a couple years

you know, when Frost has a team that can compete 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 20, 2018, 07:53:19 PM
Rumor is that back in the mob's heyday in Chicago, Wisconsin was a favorite place for them to get away from it all. I have a friend who waited tables in college back in the 50s when very mob-like folks regularly ate in her restaurant in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
They still Escape to Wisconsin as the old slogan went.  Now they are just called Fibs. ;) In my old stomping grounds there s still a street named Capone.  He had a hideout.  Also had a cabin up in Hayward.   Milwaukee mobsters were mostly wiped out in early 80s by Feds . Very violent was Mr. 'Big'.  Whatever is left extends into Racine, but is mostly Chicago based crew.  I worked a small time case in the US Attys office one summer in early 00s. Art theft, laundering and the like.  Fine art is a slimey business. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2018, 09:45:57 PM
Rumor is that back in the mob's heyday in Chicago, Wisconsin was a favorite place for them to get away from it all. I have a friend who waited tables in college back in the 50s when very mob-like folks regularly ate in her restaurant in Wisconsin.
When we depart Kenosha by boat you can see, just over the WI/IL border, Al Capone's old home in Pleasant Prairie. It's on a man-made peninsula into The Lake.

The gun turrets are plainly visible, and it's got a long driveway out to the little road into his place. His guys could see enemies coming by boat, or by land.

I make it a point to show the house to my guests, whenever we decide to cruise South from Kenosha.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
I last bought a residence in 1987, and that was from a builder.  It struck me as fairly simple.

So, we're doing it again today, and it is anything but simple.  I guess we finally got "under contract" yesterday.  I had to have a letter sent saying I had the funds for the closing, along with a lot of other burfle, clean contracts that are way too long, and other nonsense.

And, apparently today, they don't write checks, they want money to be wired.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2018, 10:03:43 AM
Apparently that Texas terrorist blew himself up this morning as authorities closed in.

Has to be a relief for the Texas residents on here.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2018, 10:16:56 AM
I last bought a residence in 1987, and that was from a builder.  It struck me as fairly simple.

So, we're doing it again today, and it is anything but simple.  I guess we finally got "under contract" yesterday.  I had to have a letter sent saying I had the funds for the closing, along with a lot of other burfle, clean contracts that are way too long, and other nonsense.

And, apparently today, they don't write checks, they want money to be wired.


That's what a crash in the sub-prime market will do. Those of us who did not default and did the right things are paying for this, 10 years later.

That crash can be traced to policies instituted in the 1990's.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 21, 2018, 10:27:18 AM
Yes, must be wired.  Our parent company is a large bank, and I share office space with a couple folks on the mortgage and credit side.  I get a nice play by play of this stuff.  Wires are a must.  Threshold is low too, I remember doing a re-fi not too long ago, and it was less than a $1,000 (wire).   Check fraud, identity theft/fraud and laundering have all made coming with a check to close a 'no no' for banks and title companies.    Even buying a car with 'cash' by writing a check is frowned upon by Dealers.

As I often say to people who complain about how different the mortgage process is nowadays.  You're not buying/financing a pair of shoes.

We're deep into the building process now and the hoops on the draws are fairly amusing, but for different reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 21, 2018, 11:19:43 AM
So I'm supposed to be getting on an airplane to Philly right now, and then connecting to Rome. Well, that nor'easter screwed me.

So now I have to catch a flight to Heathrow in the early evening, land there, and then have most of the afternoon to get from Heathrow to Gatwick for my flight to Rome.

Anyone ever have to do this? If I'm going to be in London (and it's the first time there for either me or my bride) and have ~6 hours to kill, I don't want to just go straight from one airport to another. But we'll have luggage with us, which makes things difficult.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 21, 2018, 11:24:27 AM
HA!!!

yeah, that 6 hour layover will be consumed by the bus ride between them.  you'll have maybe 2 hours to kill tops.  i had to do just that way back in 2004~5ish...  thought i was going to get out and have a proper meal and an afternoon at dunhill's smoking room... nope... it was a goat-rope scramble. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2018, 11:58:07 AM
I second that.  Not nearly enough time to make a mini escape.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
You will have almost no time in London. Traffic is no gouda there and you have about 30 miles to burn up.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 21, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
after thinking about this a while, i recall some things i didn't at first... 

the bus over to Gatwick runs on a schedule- i lost a good amount of time waiting for the next run.  maybe an hour and a half to two hours... the run itself was right at an hour... getting through security was a trip, and because i can actually frame this in a time period now: it was early 2002 right on the heels of the 'shoe bomber' (no pun intended)- and likely January or February... I recall traveling for three days and hiking all over airports everywhere and thinking "they're gonna love it when i pull these boots off for security".  We were traveling in/out of the SWA regularly, at that point, laying the groundwork for the invasion of Iraq the following year. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 21, 2018, 12:30:44 PM
It's actually a 9 hr layover. Land at noon, next flight at 9 PM. So I was banking on the idea that I'd have to get to Gatwick around 6:30 or so. So between getting out of customs at Heathrow and into security at Gatwick, it's probably 5-6 hours, 2-2:30 of which will be used up between the tube and train.

Looks like from talking to a couple of locals at work, we're going to grab the tube downtown, hit up a sight or two, grab some lunch and then take the train from London to Gatwick.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2018, 12:38:25 PM
What are you doing in Rome, and how long?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2018, 01:24:37 PM
It's actually a 9 hr layover. Land at noon, next flight at 9 PM. So I was banking on the idea that I'd have to get to Gatwick around 6:30 or so. So between getting out of customs at Heathrow and into security at Gatwick, it's probably 5-6 hours, 2-2:30 of which will be used up between the tube and train.

Looks like from talking to a couple of locals at work, we're going to grab the tube downtown, hit up a sight or two, grab some lunch and then take the train from London to Gatwick.
Tube is definitely better.  My problem was that I was there for a summer, so I had so much luggage, I couldn't navigate it through public transit, so we took a cab, which took forever to nab.  Then on the way out, was right after the 7/7 bombings so all public transit security was lengthy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 21, 2018, 02:04:08 PM
What are you doing in Rome, and how long?

Sadly, not as much as planned. We were supposed to arrive first thing in the morning Thursday, but will actually be there slight after midnight that night. Then leaving Rome for Cinque Terre on Sunday. But we'll hit the Vatican on Friday, maybe some of the other ruins on Saturday, and play the rest by ear.

Tube is definitely better.  My problem was that I was there for a summer, so I had so much luggage, I couldn't navigate it through public transit, so we took a cab, which took forever to nab.  Then on the way out, was right after the 7/7 bombings so all public transit security was lengthy.
Yeah, luggage worries me a little. Gotta navigate the tube and a little of London with our luggage. But we worked to economize the luggage so we don't have that much, and we're only going to have one short walk to make from the tube station to sights and then a pub.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2018, 03:15:55 PM
For the Vatican, I highly recommend Context Travel. We had a group of 3 couples on the tour. Fantastic.

https://www.contexttravel.com/cities/rome
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 21, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
gentlemen, i travel light... very light.  if i'm going somewhere on a schedule and know where that's at- I confirm with the host, and fedex it.  yeah, pricey, but..... worth it.... beats the flat snot out of lost luggage and lugging it.  i've got some sort of mark on my stuff you must need a special light to see that only plane embark specialists have- if i check baggage, it gets lost.  period.  every. single. time.  fedex has never let me down.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
I just take a carry-on bag. Most of the places we go have either a laundry room or a service. Makes it much easier.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 08:55:23 AM
Our realtors on both ends of these deals (buying and selling) told me horror stories about folks wiring the purchase money to the wrong financial address.  They claim the crooks can intercept the emails and change critical figures so the money gets wired to the Caymans etc. instead of the title company.

The money today has to be wired apparently, no cert checks etc.  This has me "concerned".

I suppose when the time comes I can manage with phones to ensure the numbers are correct, but it still is concerning considering the numbers involved.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 09:07:22 AM
We were in Rome one day and signed up for a bus tour, which was rather well done I thought.  The wife and I had never been, and after the tour agreed we had seen it sufficiently for our tastes.

I know we missed huge swaths, but it was a pretty solid tour.  A lot of the city seems to be in ruins.

The wife packs two large bags when we go to Europe.  I pack one, at times she does three to my one.  She has enough status on Delta that it doesn't cost us anything.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 22, 2018, 09:07:53 AM
@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) , does Ohio require an attorney to close?   This is what my wife does in NC.  The entire procedure has become confounding since both the bubble popped and the concern for money movement (funding crime/terrorism)... it seems every year the feds add another layer of complexity.  the purpose of her firm (and NC requires attorney's to close) is to protect the buyer- and her firm assumes pretty much all the risk in the procedure(s). 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 09:14:03 AM
I think so.  We met with our realtor here yesterday and he went through the process in detail and I didn't try and keep up with all the fees.  He sold my previous house in a bad market in 13 days.

The realtor in ATL seems to know his stuff.  

The average person just gets lost in all of this.  

We have 188 houses in our subdivision in Cincy and the last one for sale just went under contract.  This has never happened before in 30 years.  The market here has almost nothing for sale.  

The market in ATL is just as tight, if not more so.  And yet prices here have not really budged much at all.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 22, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
gentlemen, i travel light... very light.  if i'm going somewhere on a schedule and know where that's at- I confirm with the host, and fedex it.  yeah, pricey, but..... worth it.... beats the flat snot out of lost luggage and lugging it.  i've got some sort of mark on my stuff you must need a special light to see that only plane embark specialists have- if i check baggage, it gets lost.  period.  every. single. time.  fedex has never let me down.  
I was interning there for 3 months, so that wasn't entirely an option for me.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
We have about two inches of snow on the ground, nice sunny day, but more snow on the way on Saturday.

The high expected in ATL today is 57°F versus 43°F here.  In the main, it's about 12°F warmer there than Cincy in winter.  In July and August, ATL is 1°F hotter on average than Cincy, and the humidity here is atrocious in my opinion.  ATL benefits some by being 1,000 feet above SL.  Each 1,000' is about 4.5°F cooler (about 2°C or 2 K).

I prefer the metric system for obvious reasons, especially in cooking, but I like °F for weather better.

The scale is basically 0-100, and 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 22, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
That's what is amusing about concerns of 'check fraud' is that sending a wire is also a transaction involving some amount of risk.

I've noticed the banks I bank with (my employer being one of them), they have modified the wire instruction process significantly.   Mostly to ensure authentication.   If you are not in person to provide the wire instructions (often required, but not if you have a private banking or are otherwise trusted customer by your bank) , and verify identity (which get verified on premises through a variety of means),  a separate contact is required. 

In other words,  I go into my bank or contact my bank to submit a wire transfer request,  the bank does its thing.  Separately and within the next two hours, I will receive a phone call from the 'wire room' (a person in a different locale from my banker that I visited or contacted) and that person in the 'wire room' will have to verify certain information with me.    Really no different than dual authentication when you log in to your bank's website or App.

Medallion signature guarantees of course are still in use when a customer is submitting a request for a large sale or redemption of securities.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2018, 11:47:35 AM
I've been in medallion hell lately, dealing with my mom's stuff.

The people who are authorized to use those stamps are... Give 'em a badge and they get all that attitude.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 03:37:16 PM
Well, it makes me nervous.  I have never wired money before.  I went by my brokerage and got the forms and looked them over, seem simple enough.

Evidently I should wire the funds 72 hours ahead of closing, or more, I'm told.

It's a substantial amount of money the loss of which would cause me a major decrease in standard of living, and then some.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
I see the DJIA is down over 600 today, the good news being that I have been selling to raise cash over the past 3 weeks. 

The bad news of course is that I didn't sell everything.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 22, 2018, 04:49:21 PM
Well, it makes me nervous.  I have never wired money before.  I went by my brokerage and got the forms and looked them over, seem simple enough.

Evidently I should wire the funds 72 hours ahead of closing, or more, I'm told.

It's a substantial amount of money the loss of which would cause me a major decrease in standard of living, and then some.
That seems impossible/impractical for a borrower to wire funds 72 hours before a close.    You will receive a 'Loan Estimate' form, the 1st at the time you apply for the mortgage, and the second, at the point of closing, a 'Closing Disclosure'.  That's the document that will reveal the precise amount to bring to close.  that cannot be innacurate, The lender must give you that within 72 hours of close.  If it is a cash buy, the Title company presents a 'Settlement Document'.  I've done 2 lot buys and one refi since the new rules kicked in in Oct '15, nobody is able to get you that 72 hours before close.   68 hours 60 hours, maybe 48 hours, not 72.  You can certainly do a wire a day before close, I've done them on the day of close before. 
Oddly enough, I read this morning in a trade pub a rash of wire fraud is now leading some lenders to consider going back to cashier's checks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2018, 06:23:01 PM
"The clients must call the closing attorneys office and be verified before the wiring instructions will be given.
The funds should be wired at least 48 hours prior to the closing, 72 hours is best.  The funds are held by the closing attorney in their escrow account and dispersed at closing.  The closing attorney will give you the amount to wire which will included all closing costs."

That is the email from my realtor.  This is a cash deal.

We close 23 April.  The total is significant.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 22, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
Those are reasonable instructions. Cash deals make it more predictable, the settlement total, at close.  I merely have doubts on the Title companies of the world to produce the figure to your attorney in order to meet that 72 hour standard.  Perhaps the insertion of a required attorney to close provides a more reliable service by the Title co.  Of course you have to pay for that.  Good luck and congratulations. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2018, 11:06:33 AM
It's 50°F in Atlanta and 39°F here right now, which is pretty typical.  We're hoping to extend the number of weeks we can be outside easily with more sun and less cloud and gloomy skies.

We're right across the street from Piedmont Park, excited about that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 25, 2018, 10:47:44 AM
I've spent way too much time on cupola and fireplace design this weekend.   The first time during this build where I feel like we're spinning our wheels.    Cupola? Seriously, this should be a ten minute exercise. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
have you finished the kitchen design?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
have you finished the kitchen design?
Do you know who you're talking to?

Probably the first thing he did, and built the rest of the house around that. :86:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 25, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
100% of appliances, toilets and plumbing fixtures in the house have been picked.  I'm having a guy make me a small concrete wall mounted sink for the small bathroom in the basement, that's really the only undeveloped design at this time.   We just finished the framing this week and now it is being 'dried in'. 

My wife had the design meeting with the guy who is making our kitchen cabinets.    We know what we want, they will have the designs this next week.  Our builder (who also has a millworking business) is doing the bedroom bath cabinets/vanities, etc.  

I can tell my wife and I are not on the same page on the fireplace.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2018, 10:33:50 PM
Do you know who you're talking to?

Probably the first thing he did, and built the rest of the house around that. :86:
so, he's got your thought pattern?
kitchens are obviously the most complex and expensive room in the house
unless you live in Cali and don't have a real kitchen
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 28, 2018, 10:51:51 PM
The lumber prices have really gotten out of hand the past few years.  That's the one raw material cost I had to swallow hard.  Those bills aren't cool.

It's really impacting larger scale builders and making it much less attractive to build smaller starter homes.  Very hard for them to make any money as costs to build have really spiked lately.  Housing starts are pretty low in many markets in that 1500 to 2500 sq ft range.  It's not just the lumber.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2018, 08:37:32 AM
We are either going to build, , or do a big reno, in Florida.

I'm looking at one now (my friends are looking at it for me) that's looks like a big reno. It's got the bones, so it appears. It's also got room for a small indoor kitchen. It's got PLENTY of room for an exceptional outdoor kitchen. Think Guy Fieri.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 29, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Think Guy Fieri?  

Badger with frosted tips, flip flops and a tan line face from your sunglasses?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 12:15:58 PM
I've seen the flip flops and tan line face

just need some hair!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 29, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
speaking of outdoor kitchens... I'm in the process of permitting (I WISH this on nobody... I should have paid someone to do it) for building a 32x28 workshop adjacent my house... across the back of it will be a 12' covering, and it's 32' long (the length)... the corner closer the house will have a proper bar with an outdoor television i picked up from a bar south of me who were renovating, for cheap ($3k+ television for $150, 47" works fine.. magnesium casing with it's own little air conditioner) and to the side of it I'm moving and expanding my outdoor kitchen... 

i'm planting this thing (in the pic) as the corner piece instead of a stone pizza oven.  it'll likely become my primary smoker/grill, if what i read about it is true. 

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/918%2BfhqXGTL._SY679_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
looks impressive

since I'd rather spend time on the golf course than cooking in the backyard..........  not that I don't enjoy cooking indoors and outdoors.....

I'm excited that my golf course has purchased a "big green egg" and will be serving BBQ every evening!

I'm going to the butcher to get some long beef ribs for the chef to try.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 29, 2018, 12:38:15 PM
heheheehheeee- i recently went to a function at the country club as a guest... pretty nice!! they had a meat carving station, and i don't have any clue how big the cow was that rendered that centercut, but i'm thinking possibly Mastodon size?   it was cooked perfectly on premises in/on a trailer axle'd grill/smoker... it was an auction where folks bid on crazy things for some charity or another, and i was the first one to decide to bid on that bone.  if i had won, my dogs would have held me in the irreproachably highest esteem until the end of the world thinking me the greatest hunter/provider ever.... they had to settle for pupperoni's that eve. 

cooking outdoors is where it's at... i find the tradition kinda freaky how we as a species equate celebration or congregating with food- but it is what it is... i have an electric smoker that does okay, but doesn't char.... I LIKE the char... and a cut cooked over open fire can't be argued as the best way to do it by my reckoning (and tastes)... so... i'll certainly get my use from such a thing.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b2/6c/53/b26c533c763c6d104227c1ea3ed833f3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2018, 02:35:34 PM
That yours 847?I'd like such a thing that way when I wouldn't have to keep letting the flies out the door.They don't like my cooking either
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
We close 23 April.  The total is significant.
So you'll be ATLdawg now?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2018, 02:47:32 PM
That yours 847?I'd like such a thing that way when I wouldn't have to keep letting the flies out the door.They don't like my cooking either
That's not mine - that's Guy Fieri's kitchen.

Mine will be similar in scope, but likely not size.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
Where you're at now or in the future abode?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2018, 02:59:21 PM
Future - 3 years, 9 months and 3 days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 29, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
Future - 3 years, 9 months and 3 days.
That's probably when my build will be done.   Ok, maybe exaggerating a bit.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Future - 3 years, 9 months and 3 days.
I'm hoping that's my retirement date
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 03:48:53 PM
best beef rib I've eaten......................................I didn't cook it outside...............




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Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
Licorice?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on March 29, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
Only got 9454 days till I can retire or 25 years, 10 months, and 17 days till I turn 60.  

Hopefully I'll be able to be an in-state snowbird. Half the year in Phoenix and half the year in the mountains, maybe near Flagstaff or Pinetop. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 07:21:29 PM
Licorice?
Tabasco-molasses sauce
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 29, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
That looks good and all, @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) , but... Thats hardly enough serving to determine "best ever"... That requires the entire rack, and then at least a dozen more for comparative purposes... Just sayin, Sir... 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2018, 08:22:03 PM
sorry, should have referenced as "the best single rib" ever

you are correct
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2018, 08:30:00 AM
I love a good seared and braised beef rib.

I set a goal 30+ years ago that I would "retire" at 55. It's gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2018, 10:59:05 AM
this rib was smoked

two other plates above mine in the pic held long ribs, I assume off the same rack as mine.

tasty

check this menu.  I highly recommend visiting if your are in Minne.

http://butcherandtheboar.com/our-menus/dinner (http://butcherandtheboar.com/our-menus/dinner)

the sausage sampler is a must
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 30, 2018, 02:38:33 PM
Probably belongs in the NHL thread (is there one?), but how about this guy and how he's spending the off season?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598263399/36-year-old-accountant-called-in-as-emergency-nhl-goalie-and-he-crushed-it?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180330 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
That was in the Trib this morning. I thought it was way cool. A dream come true for a dood like that, and who knows where it leads?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 30, 2018, 03:42:54 PM
Probably a couple of media appearances, some ribbing--and free drinks--from the locals, and a story that will live in family and local beer league lore.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
We have snow in the forecast here tonight.

Meanwhile, the weather in Atlanta is, well, nicer.

Looking forward to being moved, but not the moving part very much.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
crappy spring weather here so far

first season in the past 20 I haven't played golf in NW Iowa in the month of March

10-day forecast for 3 inches of snow Tuesday and only one day over 45 degrees, nothing over 50

oh well, spring football is here!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 01, 2018, 11:07:51 AM
Happy Easter. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 02, 2018, 07:42:51 AM
No better here in MSP for weather. 6-8" of snow through tomorrow, more snow later in the week, and no highs above freezing for another week. Happy Easter!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
I know we have a pretty wide range of age groups here, but I also know there are plenty of 50+ people too.

Do you think you've done a good job saving and planning for retirement?

I've been reading up on things lately, and I've found that the average person does not have nearly enough saved up. That is kinda disturbing to me. I found this:


*********************************************************************************************

TransAmerica’s 2015 Annual Retirement Survey (http://www.transamericacenter.org/docs/default-source/resources/center-research/16th-annual/tcrs2015_sr_retirement_throughout_the_ages.pdf) (based on 4500 online interviews) found that the median total household savings by age were as follows:
[th]Age[/th]
[th]Amount Saved[/th]
20s$16,000
30s$45,000
40s$63,000
50s$117,000
60s$172,000
If you look at things from the standpoint of their savings accounts, it is obvious that many will not have a large enough nest egg to even meet basic expenses (if they expect to live anywhere near 15 years after retirement). Many others will live close to the poverty line (https://aspe.hhs.gov/2015-poverty-guidelines).
**********************************************************************************************


So now what? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 03, 2018, 06:19:11 PM
It is a soon to be realized crisis for this country.  Evidence is quite convincing most folks not in a position to retire even at 75. 

It's imperative to sock away something, anything for retirement the moment you start earning.  Yes, easy to say this in the abstract when one doesn't face huge school debt.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2018, 06:29:42 PM
I know way too many folks here in rural Iowa living on social security alone

It's not a great life.

I started saving after dropping out of college and getting a decent job.  I quadrupled my efforts after the divorce.  I'm going to be fine if nothing really drastic happens to the economy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2018, 07:25:24 PM
This is, again, very disturbing.

We don't need more crises in this country.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
did someone from the Big 12 highjack this link?

http://www.huskers.com/ (http://www.huskers.com/)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
sorry, working now
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2018, 07:53:06 PM
Vile corrupt Corporate Assholes & slappie Congressmen on the take cheap have put comfortable retirement out of reach for many and I don't think I'm popping off.Conglomerations are running things,I weep for the future,Hope against hope I'm wrong
my small corporation has a 401K match
congress had encouraged me to save with deferred taxes
If I decide to spend everything w/o worrying about retirement, it's on me
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
This is, again, very disturbing.

We don't need more crises in this country.
this is very disturbing
you and I don't need to bail out others that could easily plan and save for their own retirement
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 03, 2018, 10:32:01 PM
the approaching financial storm is sobering-considering the cascading implications.  it makes a person wonder how exactly it will play out- and none of the concepts are good.  i don't care which side of the aisle a person sits on or what their convictions are- just as soon as somebody comes for something they have only legal 'rights' or only some sort of moral claim to, it's gonna get nasty fast.  

it's quietened down quite a bit in the last couple years, but there was a time when reasonable and respectable people were 'preppers'- prepping for what was up for grabs, but.... some sense of impending doom seemed to be driving it.  there are persisting tales still about ultra-rich having plans and elaborate facilities and not all of it is BS.... i guess some of that could be pawned off as boredom or too much money not enough mental engagement (or like my grandmother used to say 'idle hands.....')... the entire concept of it all creates a funky tickle and thought process "what do these people know i don't?"... 

but all that aside...... ^it's just feeding my paranoia and propensity to flirt with conspiracies...... 

it is good to know how to live without convenience's we have.  grow/raise food- have an established barter/logistical system where you play a role and enjoy a benefit.. if for nothing else, just for the self-reliance aspect.  it's good to have a strong community nearby to pitch in and help, and that you can help... sorta, like...... way back when.  

and that is what i'm getting at... the more we rely on central structure (including monetary) the more we make ourselves vulnerable to it's whims and those in a position to exploit it.  being self-sufficient is hard- a full time+ job, but people are healthier, happier, and not nearly bound by the things that are tearing us up.  this technology thing and the route we're taking is going to doom us if it hasn't already.  i mean, we rely on grain grown half the country away instead of down the road, cattle same... transporting it in, and an actually pretty fragile logistical system reliant on a handful of companies/entities to make it work... and why? convenience that is killing us in the form of obesity and an entire army of middlemen who manipulate wares to get precisely (if they're worth a damn) what we're willing to pay and not a dime more or a nickel less?  or.. working as middlemen in some organization to the point we lose all our time with family to pay for the conveniences? (which is just another form of discovering the precise amount we're willing to settle for to have that convenience)... 

apologies.... end rant... this condition is fascinating, though.. we've done it to ourselves.  short of another real war, there is no way it will correct itself, and the implications of that is harsh on this country no matter how it goes. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
If you combine the average state of retirement assets with the average state of debt (credit card etc.) the picture gets even more gloomy.  

The place I worked had an unusual retirement plan based on grants of stock in the company, nothing else (they added a 401k later in my career, no matches, but I maxed it out each year).  If the stock did reasonably well, a person even at a lower "rank" could retire comfortably.  We had secretaries retiring with $2 million in their plans.

Needless to say, it was a prime target for folks in the area to catch a job.  That changed as they outsourced many of the "lower level" jobs like receptionists and guards.  

Our economy is significantly based on the "get it now" human emotion and "worry later".  I knew of folks who borrowed money on their Visa to pay for vacations to Florida or whatever.  I was thinking "HUH?".  But that debt fuels economic activity and the pain is later.  And of course we have this thing called "government" that can borrow at will as much as it wants, at times from the Federal Reserve Board.  All that borrowed money is stimulative.  If somehow magically we could balance the budget it might send the economy into a tailspin this putting us back into deficit.

I hope this house of cards lasts another few decades of course but am dubious about a longer term future.  At some point, some crisis will lead to folks no longer trusting "money" and that will be a collapse of epic proportions and one government will not be able to stem.  But it could be 50 years out.

It's a bit like Tesla stock, which Kid #2 keeps telling me to short, which I have not done.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 04, 2018, 09:56:57 AM
i read something some time ago that placed all of this into a perspective that was terrifying- and presented how the author supposed it would all 'go down'.   in the author's opinion, it didn't really matter what you had saved- a hundred dollars was as unlikely as five dollars to buy you a gallon of milk, for instance.  The author was also suggesting that the 'cut off' was 2017- and if you hadn't reached a point of 'affluent' (just shy of wealthy) it was an impossibility without some sort of windfall.   

these figures are not accurate, but used for speaking terms (i'm dragging this out of a foggy memory)-

he suggested $10T USD was in existence, of which $5T was held by foreign entities- leaving $5T in US custody, and of which fully half of that was held by institutions- leaving 1/4 of the US cash in existence in circulation, or $2.5T... the issue as he presented is that American's have a buying power of nearing $60T due mostly to plastic they're sitting on (unsecured) every day- and that there is nothing backing it but notes- piles and piles of notes (not notes as in cash, but promissory notes instead).... and, we blow past the circulating currency number monthly in spending, making the entire 'house of cards' nothing but smoke and mirrors.  If it were a business traded in/on the market, nobody in their right mind would touch it, but it's not a business traded in/on the market- it is the market. 

we live in a strange world propped up on intangibles.  it doesn't make any sense when you think about it... i mean, it's pretty clear how we got here and can be documented... but it is bereft of logic at various turns.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 10:34:28 AM
All this has me thinking about so many people around me who have made so many mistakes.

Maybe buying a house in Florida (or any other state) is not the answer. Maybe one of the "saint" islands in the Caribbean would be better.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 04, 2018, 10:47:00 AM
The past 2 years I've contributed the max allowed to my 401k ($18k I believe) and even before that I still contributed at least 6-10% of each payhpayc pre-tax to my 401k for years so I've already got a decent retirement fund going for a 34 year old. That plus Railroad Retirement which we pay into instead of Social Security (and is a hell of a lot better than Social Security) hopefully means I'll be set when I can retire at age 60.

As my dad, who himself saved the max allowed to his 401k for many many years prior to his retirement, warned me: the only thing worse than being old is being old and poor.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
That's great Frog Face. 

But when I read about what the "average" person has at age 60, I can only believe that the average is kicked up by people who are "fine" - like many here seem to be - versus people who have absolutely nothing. It's that latter part that has me gravely concerned.

CDawg has it right. The need for instant gratification in this country has put the future on hold, for far too many people.

Credit cards are evil.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 04, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
you couldn't pay me to go back to St. Croix. ....and that isn't just because i'm not allowed there anymore, either, but because the place is a dump and prime for various grades and natures of calamity...

for one, there is not a drop of fresh water on that island.  they rely on cisterns and imports.  I guess an investment of a desalination pump could work, but then you're relying (and i mean relying) on that thing- and likely need to post guards on it.  

Crime is off the charts.... i could tell stories about that place that are unsettling.  the only hospitable place is the eastern edge between Udall and Teagues Bay, where most expats live.  Christiansted is just plain dangerous.  the banditry all over the island is just plain dangerous.  the police are about as corrupt as you can imagine. 

i do like some cruzan rum, though. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
I spent two weeks in Brazil a couple years back.  The evidence for crime was unbelievable.  The police presence on the beach on weekends was insane but skinny little kids would still dart through the crowd grabbing whatever was loose.

My wife was back a year ago and they would not even go to Rio because of the gang wars, some head dude was killed and it was open warfare in the city even away from favelles.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2018, 12:33:33 PM

I hope this house of cards lasts another few decades of course but am dubious about a longer term future.  At some point, some crisis will lead to folks no longer trusting "money" and that will be a collapse of epic proportions and one government will not be able to stem.  But it could be 50 years out.

my grandfather and father used to talk the same way, apparently it was 50 years out for them
As I used to tell my Father, If we need to go through another GREATER depression if correct the markets and the economy and wipe out debt, then it will happen.
At that time it will be good if you can grow your own food and fend for yourselves as Drew says.
I'll keep my fingers crossed
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 02:21:36 PM
I spent two weeks in Illinois a couple years back.  The evidence for crime was unbelievable.  The police presence on the beach on weekends was insane but skinny little kids would still dart through the crowd grabbing whatever was loose.

My wife was back a year ago and they would not even go to Chicago because of the gang wars, some head dude was killed and it was open warfare in the city even away from the South and West sides.


Very interesting comment.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 04, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
This is, again, very disturbing.

We don't need more crises in this country.
When I was in school, I took a fascinating money and banking Econ class. Turned most of the curriculum on its head. 
But the professor kept emphasizing our savings rate nationally was about zero. That was in 2008 right before some stuff happened. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 04, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
The past 2 years I've contributed the max allowed to my 401k ($18k I believe) and even before that I still contributed at least 6-10% of each payhpayc pre-tax to my 401k for years so I've already got a decent retirement fund going for a 34 year old. That plus Railroad Retirement which we pay into instead of Social Security (and is a hell of a lot better than Social Security) hopefully means I'll be set when I can retire at age 60.

As my dad, who himself saved the max allowed to his 401k for many many years prior to his retirement, warned me: the only thing worse than being old is being old and poor.
Very, very nice. 
I usually contribute up the the max match on 401k and put the rest into a mix of stock indexes and a Roth IRA. Granted, I might be on the verge of needing to go regular IRA. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
The limits on Roth have pissed me off for a long time. MF'rs.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
I'm in the process of moving as much as possible to Roth each year.  not much is possible
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2018, 04:34:59 PM
 That was in 2008 right before some stuff happened.
and did that stuff change anything?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 04, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
My bud with the golf r is selling it.. Thing plants over 400 ponies to the ground.  He spoke of how fast it is, but also... He hates not driving it... Meaning: all the assistive crap on it takes all the fun out of driving... He said early entry late apex is almost impossible as it tries to correct your trajectory, as a for instance, but the next time around same turn it doesnt attempt the assist, making anticipating what its going to do impossible. 

Helluva car.  Dangerous for experienced drivers.  Go figure.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 04:49:21 PM
and did that stuff change anything?
Did for me. I'd already BE retired had the sub-prime bulljive never existed.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2018, 05:09:41 PM
fortunately, I've been in the same 1,000 sq.ft house in small town Iowa since 1989.

If not for the Ex-wife I'd have only had to purchase it once and I'd be retired as well.

Or be living in a larger house much closer to the golf course and bemoaning the subprime mortgage crisis
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html


Read it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 04, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
until i was around 40 i didn't give two damns about 'future'... up until around 34~35 'future' was enough to get me through the next R&R and a few more tales to tell if i was lucky.  

that changed when i got married and now have kids, and i'm behind the power curve.  i've put back a little over 150k in that amount of time (401 and other holdings), and have increased holdings in non-liquid assets (real estate-while also going into debt- on the property)... it isn't going to be enough.  The VA kicks a nice payment to me monthly, hardly worth what i lost to get it, but... it's there so long as the gov't is solvent.  so there is that... but... it isn't enough, either.  

maybe you guys can set me straight... 

my plan is instead of attempting to gain via saving, to gain via spending- getting independent businesses off the ground and turning a small profit on each of them else dumping them for the next opportunity.  I had a good business going when i first got out of the Marine Corps, and another following that (weekend merchandising, then a cigar shop) but got all patriotic and sentimental going back into the defense industry post 9/11..... and it payed(s) well enough to make a guy lazy and lose ambition......... which is something that has been rekindled since the kid.  hence why i jumped all over the opportunity to do this site- it's not made a penny yet, but, it is the opening for traffic and hopes to use it to gain access to other things (that will support this place and push it further into where we want it to go)... and.... that is pretty much the idea/plan. 

bad idea?  it's not like thought about this when i was younger- well... i did, but figured i'd be out of here a lot sooner so it was ridiculous to consider 'saving'.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 04, 2018, 07:32:46 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html


Read it.
Part of the problem, for sure. But there weren't enough low income and minority home buyers to cause the problem we had. The banks also dramatically eased the rules for everyone on mortgage credit, so when we went to buy our first house (2004), the banks were willing to lend us about 33% more than we thought we could pay back (we said no thanks). That's not the way it's supposed to work; the banks (who have all the actuarial tables and know the likelihood of default) should be telling us no, not the other way around. But there was a quick buck to be made to help the quarterly profits. And then they figured out they could slice and repackage these mortgages and sell them as securities, making another quick buck, but also risking huge amounts of credit in the event of a downturn in the real estate market.

So yes, the changes at Fannie were part of the problem, but a much bigger part of the problem was the conduct of the bankers/investors (PS, they became the same in the name of "deregulation" -- both parties get the blame) who focused on the quarterlies rather than the long-term prospects of these lending and investment practices.

And then, imagine that, the housing market turned, and when it did, the whole thing imploded. And people say, but "those people" shouldn't have borrowed that much! And they are right, they shouldn't have. Nor should the banks have loaned it. But when houses all around you go into foreclosure, driving down the value of your house--that you COULD afford under the traditional guidelines--and that puts you underwater, despite traditional, conservative decision making, and you are put in a massive whole.
And when investment cash dries up because of the massive market downturn, businesses start pulling way back and downsizing, leaving people with smaller salaries or just out of work--at the same time that their primary financial asset has lost its value.

LOTS of perfectly well meaning and conservative living people were hurt by this, and it wasn't just the result of Fannie's changes. Those changes contributed, yes, but they were far from the only, or even the most significant cause.

To be clear, I was largely insulated from this. My employer froze salaries for a while, but I live and work in a relatively strong economic area. My house lost value, but I sold it before it lost much, and bought another that was not in distress, but had lost significant value, allowing me to get in a place I probably otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford. My investments lost a lot of value, but I'm in the prime of my earning years and knew not to sell because I didn't have to.

People who needed that investment then, though were at much greater risk, and thus were much more likely to do desperate things.

Again, not just a case of people not planning well enough.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2018, 10:05:02 PM
My bud with the golf r is selling it.. Thing plants over 400 ponies to the ground.  He spoke of how fast it is, but also... He hates not driving it... Meaning: all the assistive crap on it takes all the fun out of driving... He said early entry late apex is almost impossible as it tries to correct your trajectory, as a for instance, but the next time around same turn it doesnt attempt the assist, making anticipating what its going to do impossible.

Helluva car.  Dangerous for experienced drivers.  Go figure.  
I got to drive a Cadillac CTS-V on the track in Austin, COTA, a Formula 1 track.  The car was too much for me for the most part, driving something like that on a street struck me as absurd.  The wife and I are about to buy a VW GTI as our sole car, with a manual.  I think it will be "sufficient", to use an old Rolls term.
The condo purchase is perking along nicely I think.  The financials got a bit complicated but I think I have them sorted now.  Without the Feds biting too hard.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2018, 10:05:55 PM
And the market for houses here in Cincy is incredibly tight, and we're about to be selling into that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 04, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
Did for me. I'd already BE retired had the sub-prime bulljive never existed.
Out of curiosity (not to pry), does this mean if property had stayed near peak-bubble value you'd be retired, or that you had investments that went belly up at that point and didn't recover?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 04, 2018, 11:00:00 PM
As we're talking about 2008, it amazes me how our economy on one hand is built on long-term principals, yet incentivizes the short term so much. That was obviously only an element of what happened, but it never ceases to amaze me how much can be made by learning and mastering the mechanics of all this without actually producing anything. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2018, 07:00:27 AM
An interesting continuing trend I see in a lot of cities is "gentrification" (or what could more crudely be termed reverse white flight, if you will).  Cincinnati has seen it in the OTR area north of downtown.  Atlanta has seen it in midtown (where we are moving) in a big way.  Some of the residences there just 20 years ago were very run down and now sell well into 7 figures and the houses are all beautiful (nearly all).  The more commercial side of midtown has construction cranes everywhere as new high rises go up (mostly apartments I'm told and some businesses).  

The area I grew up 12 miles from downtown has undergone an almost 100% "race reversal".  My former HS is now 90% African American (and largely middle class).  

We are going from 2 cars to one and expect to do more walking to stuff.  The park is right across the street and we have enjoyed the parks here but have to drive to them.

And despite the efforts of HUD and others, the "Projects" still exist around Atlanta, generally not in good shape at all even the ones that are fairly new.  Unintended consequences happen a lot in life.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 09:19:08 AM
Out of curiosity (not to pry), does this mean if property had stayed near peak-bubble value you'd be retired, or that you had investments that went belly up at that point and didn't recover?
My business crashed, with the crash. 25 people turned into 4 people. Construction of anything not related to government came to a halt, and even that slowed greatly.

When Lehman Brothers went down, that was the end for a lot of things.

My business still exists, and is doing very well, despite Illinois (known as Madaganistan) far lagging the rest of the country on recovery.

3 years, 8 months and 25 days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 05, 2018, 09:27:52 AM
it's always the cascade, and rarely the catalyst.  

the press in the late nineties to lower restrictions for home loans was the catalyst.  exploiting it for all it was worth- buying above the ability to repay, or valuations of property going sky-high with the only basis being "well, they can get the money", and extending that credit and then selling the notes before the first payment was due were cascades.  

the crash was the catalyst- the cascade was (and is) felt far and wide in just about every sector.  

this is/was my perspective, anyway.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 09:36:08 AM
Banks were giving out loans based on stated income. Stated.

Think about that for a minute. Duh.


I find this interesting:

https://www.ilnews.org/news/statewide/census-retirees-will-outnumber-kids-in-less-than-years-for/article_b0149f88-383c-11e8-895b-93a77c0e4035.html

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 05, 2018, 10:19:04 AM
Banks were giving out loans based on stated income. Stated.

Think about that for a minute. Duh.


I find this interesting:

https://www.ilnews.org/news/statewide/census-retirees-will-outnumber-kids-in-less-than-years-for/article_b0149f88-383c-11e8-895b-93a77c0e4035.html


Non-verified income AND no money down. Considering a loan is based on three vectors, they were basically just working the corners of unknown credit.
And the damnedest part was they were doing it with relish. There were moments where banks actually filled out forms with higher incomes than the people even said they had. Because there was incentive to get loans on the books so they could be sold off to the wider investment world. Of course, there was a bunch of laundering bad debt into good, plus a slew of multipliers that spun value wildly out of whack. It really in retrospect was something to behold. 
Perhaps we can argue it began with trying to push home ownership in a ham-fisted manner, but incentives pushed the fervor on the loaning side to where it was. People who were supposed to be responsible and smart were not. Lord knows, business will resist and work around interference at every turn, and if policy alone could actually incite the volume of lenders spraying money all over the place, well we'd spend a lot of time talking about how effective that big G word really is. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 05, 2018, 10:21:14 AM
My business crashed, with the crash. 25 people turned into 4 people. Construction of anything not related to government came to a halt, and even that slowed greatly.

When Lehman Brothers went down, that was the end for a lot of things.

My business still exists, and is doing very well, despite Illinois (known as Madaganistan) far lagging the rest of the country on recovery.

3 years, 8 months and 25 days.
Ahhh, my condolences. Bubbles are a mess to be sure. The psychology of them is interesting. When they burst, we rush to shore things up with drastic change. When they're happening, folks assume this is the way it "should" be.
Oddly enough, sounds like college football sometimes. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
Condolences not necessary, but thanks. We were always careful - we did not dive fully into the residential business like other firms did - many of which are no longer in business due to their greed and short-sightedness. 

We were diverse in our work and that's why we are still around. And we are still diverse. 

The biggest problem we now face is finding people. There is a big gap between seasoned staff and newbies. The middle is all gone, because they simply just got out of the business.

I need to find my replacement. That's been a struggle.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 05, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
Stated FICO scores (or an equivalent) was also a 'tool' used during those fun times.

It was like lending to people based on descriptions in the personals.

I worked nights during law school for a pretty well known underwriter and provider of 'MI'.  basically my job was to prep mortgage files for the underwriter while I listened to the radio (I listened to the Bartman '03 NLCS Game 6 Marlins/Cubs game) during this job.   File after file was often a large 'Cash Out' Re-FI,  or Interest Only purchases.   The leverage/revolving debt was mindblowing to witness in application after application.    Often DINKs (dual income no kids), and they were basically bankrolling their lifestyle on rising home prices (levered over their eyeballs).  Their files, and I realize in '03 what you produced on the app, is about 10 documents short of what's required in this era, were regularly scant of any real savings.     Very few regional/commercial banks stayed away from these loans.   The ones that ate them up were obviously the ones who were most harmed in 2009 and forward.   They all got whacked though by the Street.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 02:01:54 PM
Stated FICO score
831, thank you.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2018, 02:08:31 PM
I'm now officially in between closing on the new place and listing the old place for sale.  I will own both for some period of time, hopefully not long.  It is amazing how much the loan guy knew about me and the wife in about 30 seconds after taking some info.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 05, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
best of luck, cincy... it sounds like your plan was a solid one!

@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) : i had an 849 at one point... i was using personal credit cards at 0%into to buy merchandise for my store, and running them up to the limit of $45k twice a month, and paying them off twice a month- attempting to buy only what i knew would sell in the time frame (high volume items exclusively using personal cards)... it kept me from higher rate terms with vendors, and though i was constantly on the phone with credit card companies inquiring about fraud, i learned a thing or two about how they rate folks... i had no clue that spending at or near your extended limit and then paying it off was a glitch in their system of reporting... 

if a person wanted to dramatically improve their situation and were willing to pay for it (not some goofy service) they could simply get a card with a low or no intro rate and run it up-pay it off-run it up-pay it off, paying the processing fees, yes, but dramatically improving their rating... like, use paypal or something akin to pay yourself, and withdraw from paypal to pay it off.  two or three months of that is worth quite a bump in rating- and would be a good plan if a person's rating is not too good and they were looking at buying something substantial in the coming year.   

to me it demonstrates the lunacy of determining a persons solvency.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
I use credit for everything, and I pay it off every month. I'm also never late on anything, ever, never. Hence the score.

I get dinged for having too much unused credit, of all things, and too many inquiries (mostly due to my business, which requires frequent purchases of computers and other equipment that I get 0% loans for).

People. Meh.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 05, 2018, 04:11:02 PM
The factors influencing credit are quite incongruent in some cases.   Too much unused credit?  Bad.  Not enough credit history? (Bad, probably the worst characteristic next to prior delinquency/bankruptcy).    Someone who has always been a cash buyer of everything, and is self employed, is viewed as a high credit risk.  there's just no (or little) sample size to evaluate.

There's a fundamental sweet spot when it comes to use of revolving credit.   The ratios are what you need to pay attention to (if you're trying to improve your FICO).  If you utilize 75% or more of available revolving credit, that can ding your FICO.   Bring that utilization down if you can.  If you're north of 750, you have 'great credit'.  There are no brownie points for being 800+ (850 is generally the top), though a couple 'newer' scales go into the 900s.  Truthfully is you are 720 or better, you're going to be fine.

Pay on time (always)
Establish and use some revolving credit (hopefully you pay off each month), keep utilization close to 50%
Installment credit (student loan, mortgage, HELOC, with consistent payment history) are usually positive credit score factors.
Order your report once a year (check for accuracy, mistakes, fraud).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 05, 2018, 04:22:18 PM
Banks were giving out loans based on stated income. Stated.

Think about that for a minute. Duh.


I find this interesting:

https://www.ilnews.org/news/statewide/census-retirees-will-outnumber-kids-in-less-than-years-for/article_b0149f88-383c-11e8-895b-93a77c0e4035.html
I'm an accountant.  I don't find it interesting, I find it unsustainable.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 04:24:46 PM
But of course. 

Which part? I can tell you all about Illinois, but I'm sure you've seen enough to know, and laugh at those of us who have yet to leave.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 05, 2018, 04:25:34 PM
I dislike bankers
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 05, 2018, 04:30:49 PM
As we're talking about 2008, it amazes me how our economy on one hand is built on long-term principals, yet incentivizes the short term so much. That was obviously only an element of what happened, but it never ceases to amaze me how much can be made by learning and mastering the mechanics of all this without actually producing anything.
I first came up with this idea long before 2008 and it is something that I still believe in and that I believe should be adopted.  
Most high level executives in major corporations are paid largely through stock options.  There is a major tax advantage and that is why it is done.  What I would like to see is for the tax code to be amended to eliminate the advantage unless the options take at least 10 years to vest.  
I think this would substantially reduce the incentives for reckless corporate behavior.  Think of two examples, ENRON and the mortgage melt-down:
ENRON:  The execs knew that this couldn't go on forever but until they got caught they got to live very high-on-the-hog.  Had they been compensated more by the 10-year stock price growth and less by the three-month stock price growth there would have been much less incentive to do this.  
Mortgage melt-down:  At least some people in the industry had to have doubts about this.  I remember reading about mortgage sellers (firms that loaned on houses and sold the loans almost immediately) losing money to "bad debt".  These firms only held the mortgages for 30-60 days so "bad debt" meant that their borrowers were literally unable to make the FIRST payment.  Look, anybody who extends credit on a large scale will suffer a certain amount of bad debt loss but if your borrowers can't even make the first mortgage payment that is on you, you loaned to someone you obviously shouldn't have loaned to.  If execs were thinking about stock prices 10 years from now instead of three months from now they would have an incentive to think more than three months ahead.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2018, 04:35:12 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 05, 2018, 04:53:05 PM
10 years? Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you dial it back a bit maybe you've got something -- although it would probably need to closely follow a major financial scandal like Enron or the mortgage meltdown to get the political pull to get it through. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 05, 2018, 10:02:01 PM
Unless you require graded vesting schedules depending on the level of exec, the 10 year vesting schedule applied across any employees receiving stock options would be a terrible idea for the down the line employees (who also receive stock options or RSUs).

I'm not a C level exec, but I am a fairly high grade employee of a subsidiary of a 70,000 employee publicly traded company.   Part of my comp. is stock option based, as well as some in RSUs.   RSU's have better downside protection as no option strike price exists,  at some date I am given the RSUs, or cash equivalent at whatever the share price is.  The options of course have a strike price, and they are only worth something if the stock appreciates.

For the middle or senior business line manager, all of our vesting schedules are usually 3 or 4 years (depends on a number of irrelevant factors).   My influence or impact on our parent company's bottom line is negligible at best.  Our total revs are tens of millions, <1% of parent total revs.  However, the level of LT comp I get is based on a blend of our business line performance combined with the parent's performance, the parent is about 80% of the blend.   Our schedule is graded, ok fine, at 3 or 4 years (not cliff vested).   No Fing way am I hanging around having 10, 20, 30, 50% target (of my comp) tied to a 10 year vesting schedule.   I'd leave.

Incentive/Long Term Comp. has been a pendulum of formulas,  everyone new one is the next best thing, until it isn't.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 06, 2018, 10:28:09 AM
No Fing way am I hanging around having 10, 20, 30, 50% target (of my comp) tied to a 10 year vesting schedule.   I'd leave.
I do understand your objections but on this one, I'm not so sure.  My proposal was a federal tax law change so where would you go?  It isn't like you could go to a different company and get a shorter vesting period.  Granted, you could go to a different company where a smaller percentage of your total compensation was tied to that 10 year vesting schedule but you'd take a tax hit for doing that and, in any case, you might be able to do that within the same company.  You might even get a straight-up choice.  Ie, the company might stipulate:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2018, 12:02:34 PM
Well, in a lot of cases, it makes sense to the employee to take cash. After all, for a rank and file (or even middle management, up to maybe Director / Sr Director levels) employee, you don't have the overall power to really spike or tank the stock price on a short-term basis. It's top executives who can manage that. 

Now, because humans aren't good at saving, it's probably smarter to own stock (less liquidity means you're less likely to just sell it and buy a luxury item), making it in some ways a forced saving sort of plan. But as far as the decision-making process of how to take compensation, cash is king.

For the employer, RSUs or options make a lot of sense. My company, like MarqHusker's, vests an RSU grant over a 4-year period. So essentially they're tying future compensation to retention. If I were to leave the company today, I'd be leaving a significant chunk of money on the table. Not so much that it will keep me under all and any circumstances, but certainly enough to be a factor in the decision. If you put that vesting period out to 10 years, frankly the time value of money is low enough that it would no longer be a significant decision-making factor on staying or going (at least at the levels of money I have on the line).

If you make a vesting period that long, essentially what you're going to have is companies just moving away from options/RSUs entirely. They'll cease to be a viable compensation structure. 

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 06, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
To clarify I didn't mean that the employee would still have to be with the company at the end of vesting, just that the option couldn't be exercised until 10 years.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2018, 12:44:32 PM
I'd also make one more point. Corporate execs at certain levels are considered "insiders". Pretty sure that for director and above, within my company you have certain windows during which you cannot sell stock [usually related to when financial reporting occurs], and then for top execs, all insider buy/sell has to be reported to the SEC. These insider buy/sell are heavily scrutinized by investors trying to figure out I'd also make one more point. Corporate execs at certain levels are considered "insiders". Pretty sure that for director and above, within my company you have certain windows during which you cannot sell stock [usually related to when financial reporting occurs], and then for top execs, all insider buy/sell has to be reported to the SEC. These insider buy/sell are heavily scrutinized by investors trying to figure out what the execs think about the stock.

So the problem you're trying to solve (execs juicing the stock for short-term gains) really only affects their paper wealth. They don't actually get access to that money unless they sell the stock, which is a heavily-scrutinized activity. So while it's easy to say they're juicing short-term earnings for their own benefit, I don't know how true it actually is because if they were seen selling off huge amounts of stock, it could actually tank their stock price as the market would assume the insiders knew there was a reason to sell immediately.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2018, 12:52:01 PM
To clarify I didn't mean that the employee would still have to be with the company at the end of vesting, just that the option couldn't be exercised until 10 years.  
And I still say the actual effect of a 10-year waiting period would be to essentially kill the use of options/RSUs as compensation. That's simply too long of a time horizon for either an employer or employee.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 06, 2018, 12:52:30 PM
If you make a vesting period that long, essentially what you're going to have is companies just moving away from options/RSUs entirely. They'll cease to be a viable compensation structure

This is exactly what I mean.   Tax laws change, and then behaviors change as a result.

Nobody will want (a portion of comp tied to) options that vest over 10 years, and that will have zero to do with being discouraged from taking short term risk (the apparent intent of the change in tax law), and everything to do with the compensation structure being wholly unattractive
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2018, 05:07:48 PM
NCAA proposal to allow immediate transfers for athletes with >3.0 GPA...

https://sports.yahoo.com/committee-recommends-immediate-transfers-gpa-3-0-191448194.html
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 06, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
Immediate transfers are allowed, upon team release for most of the Olympic sports already.

One time only.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 06, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
NCAA proposal to allow immediate transfers for athletes with >3.0 GPA...

https://sports.yahoo.com/committee-recommends-immediate-transfers-gpa-3-0-191448194.html

3.0 GPA is gonna limit immediate transfers to probably 5-10 percent of the kids...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2018, 07:49:12 PM
at Wisconsin

easier to maintain a 3.0 at UNL
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2018, 07:49:48 PM
Immediate transfers are allowed, upon team release for most of the Olympic sports already.

One time only.
speaking of women's Volleyball...........
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 06, 2018, 07:53:31 PM
at Wisconsin

easier to maintain a 3.0 at UNL
The entire UW team has been over 3.0 for 20 years now. It's a mandate and it's a big reason they can't get a lot of Mickey D kids. Lost a big STARZ in-state kid last fall to Kentucky because of grades.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2018, 07:58:50 PM
oughta be leading the nation in academic all-americans the past 20 years with those GPAs and the performance on the field
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 07, 2018, 12:32:52 AM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc2984c389da4b0a684bddbd241de989/5B604867/t51.2885-15/e35/29714819_416598922145038_6922062881018085376_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2018, 05:56:59 AM
And I still say the actual effect of a 10-year waiting period would be to essentially kill the use of options/RSUs as compensation. That's simply too long of a time horizon for either an employer or employee.
Ours were "5/10s", vesting in 5 and expire in 10.  I found that to be pretty solid.  Of course most wait until the ten year limit rolls around trying to eek out a few more bucks.  I would take about half the bonus in cash and half in options because I needed the money more back then, or thought I did.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 07, 2018, 09:26:50 AM
bwarbiany

Corngrats!

very nice picture - looking very good
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 07, 2018, 09:28:24 AM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc2984c389da4b0a684bddbd241de989/5B604867/t51.2885-15/e35/29714819_416598922145038_6922062881018085376_n.jpg)
That's a great picture bro. Congratulations.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 07, 2018, 04:30:50 PM
That's a great picture bro. Congratulations.
Picture's better given that she's so far out of my league ;-) 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 07, 2018, 04:42:27 PM
You definitely did alright for yourself. Congrats.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 07, 2018, 07:08:05 PM
Congratulations bwar!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2018, 08:44:50 AM

I'm thinking we'll keep the wife's GLK when we move. She loves it and would like me to find the latest model (2015) with ultra low miles. I keep my eyes open for one.

Not sure what I'll do with my car, but it's not going to be a necessity for us, I don't think. I guess it depends on what I choose to do in "retirement" mode. I've had a couple of conversations with Florida Gulf Coast and the chair seems to think I could fit in as an adjunct professor there, down the road.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2018, 09:31:02 AM
I am sort of amused at the coach speak coming out of spring practice and the parsing that the writers have to do to figure it all out.  Coach Smart said the all everything frosh QB "sort of hit a wall" and that got multiple paragraphs of analysis, as if a coach is really going to reveal much of anything to anyone that is real.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 08, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
hah, writers just doing their jobs this time of year

the Frost hype in Lincoln is crazy, ALL 100% positive

Frost is a genius, ..... Riley, Pelini, Callahan, Solich knew nothing

Frost is the next Osborne, .............but no one remembers how Osborne was criticised the first 20 seasons of his career
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 08, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
hah, writers just doing their jobs this time of year

the Frost hype in Lincoln is crazy, ALL 100% positive

Frost is a genius, ..... Riley, Pelini, Callahan, Solich knew nothing

Frost is the next Osborne, .............but no one remembers how Osborne was criticised the first 20 seasons of his career
Yep. Sports remain a hope game, and offseasons are REALLY about hope. 
There's not much evidence to say something will be bad, so we want folks to fill in that it will be good. I think Frost will be good and perhaps the guy, but I also thought Pelini and Solich always got a raw deal perception-wise. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 08, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
I am sort of amused at the coach speak coming out of spring practice and the parsing that the writers have to do to figure it all out.  Coach Smart said the all everything frosh QB "sort of hit a wall" and that got multiple paragraphs of analysis, as if a coach is really going to reveal much of anything to anyone that is real.
To a degree, I imagine they're not exactly trying to figure it out.
They know people read about QBs. They know people really read about young, unknown, 5-star QBs. So when the HC says something, especially something either positive or negative, they'll deliver product to their consumers, probably as much as they can. 
What I find more interesting is why a coach who seems to dislike revealing anything mentions that. Is that motivation?  A kick in the backside? Is that trying to tamp down expectations? A friend of mine is a fan of a team whose young four-star couldn't throw a spiral. Coach said nothing but nice stuff. Insiders didn't exactly want to crush a kid that young. Not sure if it's good or bad or nothing. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I imagine playing the media is a part of being an HC.  You learn how to say stuff that means nothing really but sounds good.  We just have to play them one game at a time.  This is BORING.  Of course it is.

The fans eat up every nuance or vocalization as meaningful and the writers have to serve the public and they do.  I imagine we here have heard enough of it to realize it is largely blather and burfle.

I watched an interview with Jake Fromm, half of it, and he was good at saying boring stuff.  The press was good at asking stupid questions.  We of course had a starting soph QB last year with a pretty highly regarded true freshman coming in and there was talk of a real competition for the starting position, when there wasn't.  Eason tweaked his knee in the third series of Game One barely saw the field the rest of the year.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 08, 2018, 08:53:42 PM
I imagine playing the media is a part of being an HC.  You learn how to say stuff that means nothing really but sounds good.  We just have to play them one game at a time.  This is BORING.  Of course it is.

The fans eat up every nuance or vocalization as meaningful and the writers have to serve the public and they do.  I imagine we here have heard enough of it to realize it is largely blather and burfle.

I watched an interview with Jake Fromm, half of it, and he was good at saying boring stuff.  The press was good at asking stupid questions.  We of course had a starting soph QB last year with a pretty highly regarded true freshman coming in and there was talk of a real competition for the starting position, when there wasn't.  Eason tweaked his knee in the third series of Game One barely saw the field the rest of the year.


I think there's a degree of playing the media, but I think that's probably a small part of it. If it was a primary part, a lot more coaches would be good at it, and they're not. 
Coaches try to appear non-controversial, to a degree. I always assumed the one game at a time thing was saying something they had to believe. I think coaches and teams are about process oriented thinking. Coaches want to be, kids are not, so they have to keep saying it and talking about it (even if they're putting in Ga. Tech or Auburn stuff the week of a SoCon game). Sometimes they also have to say things to assuage worries from a player's family, or a high school coach they need to be on good terms with. They have to act and think like they can beat anyone, when they often go into a game knowing the odds are long as hell. 
It's interesting with the talk of a competition. Coaches sometimes do that as a bland answer (every position is open). Some update things truthfully, others do not. And the story behind the scenes is often more complex when it slips out. Do we think Fromm showed well enough in camp to earn the job? Eason obviously looked plenty vulnerable as a freshman. 
It's also interesting because high-level coaches are for the most part kind of low-grade insane. You almost have to be in that world. To have the charm to work recruits and families but also at the same time a complete disinterest in most people, it's very odd. Kirby is an odd duck to say the least, from the governor Kirby thing to a few stories I've heard (I'll share via PM if you want).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
Steve Spurrier was by far my favorite interview as a coach.  (Holtz was good at times also.)

SoS could really twist tails, and he was often being honest as only he could manage.

I think he out coached the opponent in college more than any coach I ever watched, perhaps because they often beat UGA with far less talent.

A good thing about UGA last year is that they beat less talented teams soundly every time out, they didn't play around with them.  Most of those games were over at the half.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Steve did give good honest frank interviews

that's what led to my strong dislike of him.  Throwing players, especially QBs under the bus publically is unneeded IMO.  Regardless if it's warranted.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 09:56:20 AM
Yeah, I never liked him, but I learned to "enjoy" his quips.  And his coaching.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 09, 2018, 11:29:26 AM
It's also interesting because high-level coaches are for the most part kind of low-grade insane. You almost have to be in that world. To have the charm to work recruits and families but also at the same time a complete disinterest in most people, it's very odd. Kirby is an odd duck to say the least, from the governor Kirby thing to a few stories I've heard (I'll share via PM if you want).
This, they are.  It is a strange world.  Their livelihood is 100% dependent upon the decision of 16-18 year old kids.  That alone would drive most people insane.  Beyond that it is a field which takes the idea of being competitive to a level that is beyond what most people will ever contemplate.  Then there is the media scrutiny.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 09, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
Saban can be an interesting interview... People think of him as completely process-oriented and serious all the time, but he can be quite funny in his own way. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 12:19:12 PM
How many here think they might have the skills and constitution to be an FBS HC (presuming you had the requisite experience etc.)?

I coached my kids' teams on back of course but that is a different kettle of oysters. :88:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
Obviously most of us would love the chance to coach a P5 program - cause we love football and think we know all about it.

but, the stark reality of leaving our relatively cushy jobs for the rigor and scrutiny of being a head coach, would cause me to say no thanks

I always wonder why successful coordinators make the move to head coach, when they can live comfortably doing what they love and are good at, while escaping the podium, press, and the pressure of the head coach
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 09, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Obviously most of us would love the chance to coach a P5 program - cause we love football and think we know all about it.

but, the stark reality of leaving our relatively cushy jobs for the rigor and scrutiny of being a head coach, would cause me to say no thanks

I always wonder why successful coordinators make the move to head coach, when they can live comfortably doing what they love and are good at, while escaping the podium, press, and the pressure of the head coach
I would say there are two reasons and both of them make perfect sense:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 09, 2018, 01:33:06 PM




Yep. And only the truly highest-paid coordinators -- not just FBS or P5, but the true "helmets", make enough to really be comfortable if you lose your job.
I.e. I think Brohm at Purdue is making ~$3.5M or something like that... His OC/DC are making like $425K/500K, respectively. Now, $500K is a lot of money, but it's not "F you money" or anything like that. I also don't think a lot of coordinators are on the multi-year guaranteed contracts that HC are on, so there's no big buyout if you get canned.
Darrell Hazell could have retired comfortably on the $12M over 6 years he got from Purdue. Now, life has a way of expanding to salary, but still, that's a lot of money. A coordinator might build up a nest egg of $1-2M over a span of as many years, which is nice, but not retirement level money especially if you've gotten used to making that kind of coin.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
sorry, this poor dirt farmer thinks $500K is comfortable money, especially with some job security, say 5-10-15 seasons

and even the coordinators at UNL make nearly 1 million these daze

yup, 7 mil a season with a buyout like Ferentz is F you $$$

I understand hitting the lottery is grand, but the headaches as Head Coach are much worse.  Ask Art Briles or Joe Pa or countless others that have crashed and burned.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 02:45:17 PM
Getting loans on property these days is not much fun.  I don't recall going through all this the last time I got one, which I guess was the HELOC I got on my house circa 1997 or so.  

We're trying to get one on our current house to help pay for the new house before we sell this one, and on the new one so I don't have to dip into my IRA big time putting me in a bad tax bracket for one year.  If nothing pans, I can use the IRA funds and then refund the money if I can get a loan in 60 days, so that is my last ditch plan to close April 23.

I calculated how much withhold would be if I permanently move money out of my IRA and it isn't pretty.

Georgia has higher income tax brackets than Ohio does, but Georgia exempts the first #130 K of retirement income.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
Go get an LOC from your bank.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
The HELOC is with our local credit union, which you think would be on the ball with this stuff.  

The already hold the first mortgage (which is tiny now).  If that doesn't come through by Friday I'm going to tell them never mind.  They offer a first 6 months rate at 2.99% and we will have it sold well before that.

The loan on the new place is a 5 year ARM at 3.7%, which is OK and I should have that paid off in 3-4 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on April 09, 2018, 03:14:49 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc2984c389da4b0a684bddbd241de989/5B604867/t51.2885-15/e35/29714819_416598922145038_6922062881018085376_n.jpg)
I missed this. Congrats man!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on April 09, 2018, 03:24:37 PM
Yep. Sports remain a hope game, and offseasons are REALLY about hope.
There's not much evidence to say something will be bad, so we want folks to fill in that it will be good. I think Frost will be good and perhaps the guy, but I also thought Pelini and Solich always got a raw deal perception-wise.
Pelini at Nebraska: 67–27 71.3% Winning percentage Fired for his off field antics
Harbaugh at TTUN: 28–11 71.8% Winning percentage Celebrated for his off field antics
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2018, 03:28:25 PM
The HELOC is with our local credit union, which you think would be on the ball with this stuff.  

The already hold the first mortgage (which is tiny now).  If that doesn't come through by Friday I'm going to tell them never mind.  They offer a first 6 months rate at 2.99% and we will have it sold well before that.

The loan on the new place is a 5 year ARM at 3.7%, which is OK and I should have that paid off in 3-4 years.
You'd think, yes.

But a regular LOC - maybe secured by your IRA holdings - might be a whole lot easier.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 09, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
The Dodd-Frank regime has turned loan applications (for either construction, 1st mortgage, 2nd, HELOC) into a exercise of extreme patience, and massive documentation.   There's a Mortgage LO (right outside my office), about twice a week I can tell she's talking with a customer who is saying 'I didn't have to do this/disclose this/provide this/answer this,  the last time I got a mortgage/HELOC'.  she's mastered that conversation.  I've learned so much from her in water cooler talk about that business in this era.

I know I've had several real estate closings the past ten years (purchase, sale, mtg, refis, lot purchase, lot sale, construction loan), the files keep getting thicker.  the pendulum has swung from Stated Income/Stated FICO to full body cavity search.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
It would be easier (and cheaper) if you could just give them your kids.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
You'd think, yes.

But a regular LOC - maybe secured by your IRA holdings - might be a whole lot easier.
Well, that is what I thought, so I went through Schwab to get the loan, where I have all my accounts.  
I can't use my IRA to secure a loan, that is a no no, but it can be used as "evidence" for another loan.  The loan guy had my Schwab account info literally in 15 seconds all open in front of him.
I just was getting condo insurance because the loan dude said I had to have it from day one.  I have no idea why.  The unit itself is insured by the HOA, my insurance only protects contents, which will be nil for a week or so.
I quit asking questions.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
Well that certainly changed too then. About 7-8 years ago I used my IRA to secure an LOC. I guess that is no longer an option and needs to be wiped from my arsenal of getting funds.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 09, 2018, 06:03:45 PM
Ah, condo loans.  Banks hate them.  Projects fail, financing crumbles, too much reliance on 3rd parties which your lender has no privity or relationship.   More risk.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 09, 2018, 06:51:37 PM
Ugh. Taxes. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2018, 08:14:28 PM
Ugh. Taxes.
Try moving here. I know things aren't much better in that regard out there, but at least you're wearing shorts and flip flops.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2018, 08:57:29 PM
I'm moving to Austin, near Utee
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 09, 2018, 09:36:41 PM
Try moving here. I know things aren't much better in that regard out there, but at least you're wearing shorts and flip flops.
I know where your missing spring went... California stole it and added it to ours. Over 90 here today.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 09, 2018, 10:14:11 PM
It was a wonderful spring weekend which is rare on the coast of the Carolina's . it usually goes from our version of winter to summer in about three days.. Except today it rained and never broke 50... Strange weather indeed for mid April .

On amother note...

Found out only today that my favorite pipe tobacco company went out of business the first of February... And the last 3 pounds of tobacco ive enjoyed for years i is being shipped to my door tomorrow.... Dang shame. They cited lessening of quality material available.  They used mostly American tobacco... Burley from the mountains of Tennessee, blond Virginian bright leaf from Virginia.. Conneticut broad leaf... Perique from Louisiana... Because of abuse and greed another American thing is disappearing, and enjoying a pipe from time to time becomes a lot mkre complicated....  You can thank to cigarette companies for this.... Grrr.... Only good thing about it is 3 pounds will last me at least a year, if not two.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 08:15:33 AM
Ah, condo loans.  Banks hate them.  Projects fail, financing crumbles, too much reliance on 3rd parties which your lender has no privity or relationship.   More risk.
This condo was built in 1988.  I don't know why there would be unusual risk, and in any event, we've been approved for the loan, it's just a matter of some additional something somewhere.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 08:16:02 AM
IRAs and 401(k)s are not eligible to be used as collateral for a loan. The one option that you have available with an active 401(k) is that you can borrow a portion of the funds in the account (subject to approval by the plan administrator).Jun 2, 2014
Can I use an IRA account or my 401(k) as collateral on a loan ... (https://www.nerdwallet.com/ask/question/can-i-use-an-ira-account-or-my-401-k-as-collateral-on-a-loan-6392)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 08:17:10 AM
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/03/073003.asp

I'm pretty sure this has always been the case.

Lenders can consider the assets as being assets but not as collateral.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 08:38:54 AM
https://www.thebalance.com/ira-loan-options-315561

60-day rollover: You might be able to use your IRA assets for a short period using a 60-day rollover (https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/retirement-plans-faqs-relating-to-waivers-of-the-60-day-rollover-requirement). You have to follow strict IRS rules, but this technique is similar to a short-term IRA loan. Note that the IRS made this strategy more difficult in recent years, so revisit the rules if it's something you've done in the past.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 10, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/03/073003.asp

I'm pretty sure this has always been the case.

Lenders can consider the assets as being assets but not as collateral.  
Maybe that's how it worked. I don't remember, but I will find out. I meet with my banker (also a credit union) next week and I'll report back.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 10, 2018, 05:04:26 PM
i really wish @CoachQ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1661) would join the conversation... I know he's been lurking.  he'd sure clear a few things up for us insofar as FBS coaching (or any other level for that matter) is concerned, plus- he'd keep us in stitches with his anecdotes and tales!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
Things seem to be progressing on the Big Move.

By 2 May, I expect again to be a resident of Georgia.

I might attend a few more football games.  The wife has discovered football and likes it even thought she has no clue what is happening.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2018, 08:29:22 AM
Today looks like the first day I can do some yard work.  The grass is getting a bit scruffy and I plan to fertilize (since I won't be cutting it for very many more times).  The wife has a LOT of pots with potting mix in them and she wants to take quite a few with us, so I have to dump out some very good soil somewhere in the yard where it might help some.

I have a small composter (rotary) that my daughter wants, so I need to dump the contents and rinse it out.  It took a while to figure out how to compost food waste to get something more than black smelly gruel.  And of course it doesn't maintain temperature through the winter months anyway.

Good composting gets up to around 60°C which is hot enough to kill nearly all the microbes present.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
today is going to be my first day on the golf course

bring on the Bud Heavy and the cigars!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2018, 03:02:09 PM
2018 NFF Hampshire Honor Society Membership All-time high 1,253players from a record 303 colleges and universities honored as the Society celebrates its 12th year.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/od46re5b8tjyjdz/2018%20Hampshire%20Honor%20Society%20Members_FINAL.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/od46re5b8tjyjdz/2018%20Hampshire%20Honor%20Society%20Members_FINAL.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 11, 2018, 03:26:35 PM
Things seem to be progressing on the Big Move.

By 2 May, I expect again to be a resident of Georgia.

I might attend a few more football games.  The wife has discovered football and likes it even thought she has no clue what is happening.


SFIrish and I took an Austrian woman (my brother's wife) to Notre Dame/Stanford in 2015. It was great college football, going down to the wire with #9 Stanford beating #6 Notre Dame on the last play after ND had taken the lead with under a minute to play. The Austrian thoroughly enjoyed it, too--particularly the second half, and also had no clue what was going on other than that it was exciting. It's the energy that makes live games fun, not the details of the game. That's also what prevents the complete takeover of TV--it's still more fun in person...so long as that energy exists.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 11, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
SFIrish and I took an Austrian woman (my brother's wife) to Notre Dame/Stanford in 2015. It was great college football, going down to the wire with #9 Stanford beating #6 Notre Dame on the last play after ND had taken the lead with under a minute to play. The Austrian thoroughly enjoyed it, too--particularly the second half, and also had no clue what was going on other than that it was exciting. It's the energy that makes live games fun, not the details of the game. That's also what prevents the complete takeover of TV--it's still more fun in person...so long as that energy exists.
I enjoyed this more without context.  Just you working for a real niche charity that works to take Austrian women to American football game.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 11, 2018, 04:20:15 PM
Heh, I remember being commissioned to take my brothers wife's Uncles, from Serbia, tailgating and to a Brewers game.  They loved it and got pretty hammered. They brought Slivovitz, which is plum brandy to the party.

They still know next to nothing about baseball.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
I mowed and fertilized and generally straightened up stuff, now I'm exhausted.  Duh.

We got word on the HELOC but the funds will be too late to help cover the closing.  Plan is to use IRA money and then feed the money back into the IRA inside 60 days.

I hope I don't have to own two properties at the same time for very long.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 11, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
Heh, I remember being commissioned to take my brothers wife's Uncles, from Serbia, tailgating and to a Brewers game.  They loved it and got pretty hammered. They brought Slivovitz, which is plum brandy to the party.

They still know next to nothing about baseball.
But they appear to have a pretty good grasp of watching baseball in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 11, 2018, 09:49:53 PM
Things seem to be progressing on the Big Move.

By 2 May, I expect again to be a resident of Georgia.

I might attend a few more football games.  The wife has discovered football and likes it even thought she has no clue what is happening.


If it's not to forward, where at? I always thought the diversity of that state was sort of interesting. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2018, 11:28:47 PM
Atlanta midtown, a condo across from Piedmont Park.

The logistics have been complicated.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on April 14, 2018, 11:04:03 AM



https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/ridiculous-larry-nassar-board-meeting-michigan-state-needs-clean-house-222116940.html?__twitter_impression=true

So MSU interim president John Engler, despite having to know better as a lawyer, (a) agrees to meet a woman suing MSU without her counsel present, and tries to shift her agenda from telling her story to an audience into negotiating terms ("Right now, if I wrote you a check for $250,000, would you take it?"), (b) rolls his eyes when William Strampel is brought up ("Oh, that was no big deal, it was just a slap on the butt"), (c) lies that Rachel Denhollander has already accepted an offer (when Denhollander is reported to have said she never even met with Engler), and (d) finishes the committee meeting by cutting off Lorincz in the middle of the story she arrived to tell ("Kaylee, your time is up. Your time is up. (...) You are out of time. I am sorry.")

I guess I just don't understand why MSU hasn't figured it out, despite all these reams of negative press, that their one and best possible game strategy is to stop playing strong game strategy. Especially not this one. It has almost exclusively been insensitive and self-centered. The best game strategy is any one where your moves aren't aggressively defensive and inevitably public. Because that can only be problematic and embarrassing.

It just feels like the MSU administration (president, BoT(!), and general counsel) are so many chapters behind the rest of the class. Just like Penn State was at the height of its scandal. Which of course indicates that this can techhappen to anyone, but it sure doesn't happen often. Always taking almost a pure density of self-defeating actions. Like these.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2018, 11:12:26 AM
I was wondering when this stuff was going to hit the board. It's not a good look right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2018, 01:25:00 PM
So, this new kickoff rule... sucks. Now, any fair catch between the goal line and the 25 counts as a touchback.

Why even bother having kickoffs? Just start everyone on the 25 and make the game less interesting for anyone watching.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
So, this new kickoff rule... sucks. Now, any fair catch between the goal line and the 25 counts as a touchback.

Why even bother having kickoffs? Just start everyone on the 25 and make the game less interesting for anyone watching.
Well I suppose they're trying to encourage touchbacks, but I don't see how that will actually happen. Your typical kick return specialist is on the field because they're a threat to take one to the house. If a kickoff is caught 1-3 yards deep in the end zone, the returner can usually get to around the 20. If it's caught on the 5, the returner is basically a shoo-in to get to the 25 or better.
So the only time I can see this rule coming into play is:
1) If a team has a weak kick return specialist and they know it, they might instruct him to fair catch every time inside, say, the 5 yard line.
2) If the kicking team is trying to put up one of those high, short kicks near the sideline, and the normal KR specialist isn't in good position to get to it (leaving it for one of the blockers), that player may be instructed to FC no matter where it's kicked because the worst case is getting the ball at the 25.
But I regularly see KR specialists who take the ball out from even 1-3 yards deep even when they rarely make it to the 25, because there is always the chance of a big return. Rarely as well do they get stopped inside the 15.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2018, 04:58:49 PM
You didn't watch many UW games last year... Being stuck inside the 15 was a regular occurrence for the bad guys on the other side. Not so much anymore.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on April 14, 2018, 10:34:32 PM
I do wonder whether this will sufficiently decrease the "cost" of an onside kick attempt enough that we will see more coaches take that chance more often.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on April 15, 2018, 01:30:46 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/ridiculous-larry-nassar-board-meeting-michigan-state-needs-clean-house-222116940.html?__twitter_impression=true

So MSU interim president John Engler, despite having to know better as a lawyer, (a) agrees to meet a woman suing MSU without her counsel present, and tries to shift her agenda from telling her story to an audience into negotiating terms ("Right now, if I wrote you a check for $250,000, would you take it?"), (b) rolls his eyes when William Strampel is brought up ("Oh, that was no big deal, it was just a slap on the butt"), (c) lies that Rachel Denhollander has already accepted an offer (when Denhollander is reported to have said she never even met with Engler), and (d) finishes the committee meeting by cutting off Lorincz in the middle of the story she arrived to tell ("Kaylee, your time is up. Your time is up. (...) You are out of time. I am sorry.")

I guess I just don't understand why MSU hasn't figured it out, despite all these reams of negative press, that their one and best possible game strategy is to stop playing strong game strategy. Especially not this one. It has almost exclusively been insensitive and self-centered. The best game strategy is any one where your moves aren't aggressively defensive and inevitably public. Because that can only be problematic and embarrassing.

It just feels like the MSU administration (president, BoT(!), and general counsel) are so many chapters behind the rest of the class. Just like Penn State was at the height of its scandal. Which of course indicates that this can techhappen to anyone, but it sure doesn't happen often. Always taking almost a pure density of self-defeating actions. Like these.

I viewed the yahoo video and article you linked. The Penn State scandal is dwarfed by the MSU scandal,  and its interim president offering 1/4 Million Dollars to a victim when her attorney was not present, is good cause for his immediate removal from any employment with the state university system, not to mention the entire state of Michigan. And then, to cut her statement off at a public hearing; I don't think you could paint the administration and regents into looking more clown-like, not could you make them appear more disgusting than they make themselves appear.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on April 15, 2018, 10:47:56 AM
I think it's easy to say the USA Gymnastics scandel (386 girls abused) dwarfed the PSU scandel (52 boys abused.)
And to say both events are horrendous.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2018, 07:14:42 AM
Headed down to make my first ever wire transfer of a substantial sum today.  The process looks to be simple.  RE transactions require wire transfers in OH and GA these days and there apparently has been some fraud about changing the wiring addresses.

I triple checked mine.  Seems good.

On to the ATL Friday in a rented minivan full of "stuff" for Move One and closing on Monday.  We also have a reunion of the fantasy camp fellows at the Braves game Saturday night.  I've been to two of those and it's pretty fun, good group of guys.  I paid for camp this year but had a family matter arise and could not make it, but they sent the gear I would have gotten which I appreciate.

These camps are a lot of fun for me, and give me a reason to try and stay in decent shape physically.  Baseball of course is not a good sport for geezers.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
I think it's easy to say the USA Gymnastics scandel (386 girls abused) dwarfed the PSU scandel (52 boys abused.)
And to say both events are horrendous.
HBO is probably working on the MSU movie already
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 18, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
I do wonder whether this will sufficiently decrease the "cost" of an onside kick attempt enough that we will see more coaches take that chance more often.
This is an interesting take and I could see it happening.  With the new rules it almost seems like the best-case-scenario for the kicking team is for their opponent to start at their 25.  An unsuccessful onsides kick attempt usually results in the receiving team getting the ball at around mid-field.  So, the question is, is it worth giving up the ~25 yards for the chance of getting the ball.  That, of course, depends on the likelihood of getting the ball but it might be a good risk to take.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2018, 10:55:57 AM
I'd like the coach of the team I'm rooting for try more onsides kicks

even if you don't get the ball, you force the opponent to cover that threat and limit what they can do in the return game
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 18, 2018, 11:10:16 AM
This is an interesting take and I could see it happening.  With the new rules it almost seems like the best-case-scenario for the kicking team is for their opponent to start at their 25.  
I'm still not sure I believe that. I'd have to find advanced stats (that I'm not sure are easy to get a hold of) that correlates kickoff distance with field position. 
But my gut and my memory suggest that median field position for a kick that is caught between say 2 yards deep and the 5 yard line is within the the 25 yard line. I.e. that more than 50% of kicks that go that distance are not brought out past the 25. 
Now, it wouldn't shock me at all if the same metric, but referring to the mean field position rather than the median, is beyond the 25. Because any big return will skew the mean, whereas most of the sub-median kicks probably get to at least the 15, so they'll all be clustered close to 25. I.e. one kick taken to the house offsets on average fifteen kicks that make it out to the 20 yard line when you're calculating the mean.
So for a kick like that, the downside to the receiving team is starting maybe on the 19 instead of the 25. But the potential upside is a touchdown. I can only imagine that most kick returners would be instructed to return the kick. Just as they return kicks taken 1-3 yards deep today. If the coaches really believed that a touchback was better, they'd tell the returners to take a knee if the receive the ball ANYWHERE in the end zone.
This is also why I think most kickers are instructed to kick the ball as far as they can, and why kickers who generate a lot of touchbacks are highly prized. Because it's better for the coverage team to have a touchback than to risk a touchdown. 
What I think this takes away is the high, angled kick meant to land around the 10-15 yard line and give the coverage team time to get down the field. Because I can see THOSE kicks simply being fair caught. But I can't imagine things changing much when teams opt to just kick it away deep.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 18, 2018, 11:59:09 AM
Bwar:

I agree with what you said and I particularly liked your review of mean/median, most people have trouble with that.  

I think I was wrong to say "best case scenario" but let me clarify my theory here:

If you had the advanced stats you would want to compare these things:

Then I think the math is [6-2+3] (<=>) 4*5.  

Let me flesh out this example:
The math is 5-1.5+0.7 (<=>) .1*4
4.2>0.4 so you should not attempt the onside kick.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 18, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
Medina, agreed.

My point distilled down to the root is this:

People are suggesting via their response to the rule that this rule change will result in any kick that is caught inside the 25 will likely result in a fair catch. Because if your returner will catch the ball on the 4, why not just fair catch it? You get the ball on the 25, so you're all good.

My point is that in practice, behavior won't change much. The receiving team is more likely to go for the big payoff and get a return with MUCH better field position than the 25, so they don't have incentive to fair catch except in certain very specific scenarios [such as a high angled kick caught by someone other than the primary kick returners].

So in practice, this rule will change VERY little. Behavior of the receiving team will barely change. People are making a mountain out of a molehill, assuming the behavior will change much more significantly.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
So in practice, this rule will change VERY little. Behavior of the receiving team will barely change. People are making a mountain out of a molehill, assuming the behavior will change much more significantly.
I agree with this as a national average, but....... as Badger stated regarding Wisconsin's coverage unit....
Inside individual games with different strengths and/or weaknesses in the cover/return units
this could make a considerable difference
as such, this could affect coaches strategies
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 18, 2018, 02:05:19 PM
personally, i think the rule stinks.  

special teams, especially coverage teams, are staffed generally with underclassmen with need to demonstrate ability to follow direction/assignment, and hunger to play.  this is cutting that off at the knees.  furthermore, and alluded to by @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , it is a big part of 'edge' coaches seek... some coaches don't think too much about special teams.  then there are coaches who leverage it for all it's worth to gain an edge playing it to perfection and confining teams to predictable paths out. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 18, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
I'm trying to work through what the result will be and I don't think we'll really know for a year or more.  

I'm thinking the big change is that it takes away a lot of the motivation to try the high kick to the corner.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
it's simply one more rule change in the evolution of the game

it's simply rewarding the return team with better field position in some cases - the high deep corner kick

a reward for the offense and designed possibly to protect players, but will obviously lead to more points scored
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 18, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
I agree with this as a national average, but....... as Badger stated regarding Wisconsin's coverage unit....
Inside individual games with different strengths and/or weaknesses in the cover/return units
this could make a considerable difference
as such, this could affect coaches strategies

After Wisconsin's "kick the ball out of bounds and take the penalties due to clock rules" strategy, I trust that their coaches will work to maximize strategy within the new rules  :86: :86: :86:


I'm thinking the big change is that it takes away a lot of the motivation to try the high kick to the corner.  

it's simply rewarding the return team with better field position in some cases - the high deep corner kick

Agreed, which is what I've been saying since the start. Now there's no payoff to the high corner kick, which means teams will more often just kick it deep... Which incidentally may increase the number of return attempts relative to touchbacks. 

I actually liked Saban's response for this reason. He said if you want more touchbacks, just move the kicking like back to the 40 where it was decades ago. If a team wants a touchback, even your most noodle-legged kicker can probably put it into the back of the end zone from the 40. But doing that retains the strategy of the high kick if you're trying to pin someone deep, and actually increases the relative success rate of the onside kick (as if you pass, you're 5 yards closer to the end zone and if you fail, the receiving team is 5 yards farther away). 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2018, 03:55:59 PM
After Wisconsin's "kick the ball out of bounds and take the penalties due to clock rules" strategy, I trust that their coaches will work to maximize strategy within the new rules  :86: :86: :86:
 
That coach works for the Patriots now, so I heard today.

This rule will definitely hurt UW.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 19, 2018, 04:53:15 AM
My guess is that in a few years kickoffs will be eliminated and the ball will just be placed at the 25.  This is a step in that direction so it become so common that it seems irrelevant to kick the ball off because 90% of the time it's a touchback.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 19, 2018, 10:44:18 AM
if that happens, put it at the 20
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 19, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
So, tomorrow we're off to the ATL for a Braves game Saturday and closing on Monday.  This has been a hectic process.

I think all the financials are in order, that wasn't easy at all. :34:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 19, 2018, 09:10:24 PM
Congrats @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) ... Enjoy yourself!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 19, 2018, 09:37:58 PM
relax, the tuff part is finally over
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2018, 12:18:10 AM
So, tomorrow we're off to the ATL for a Braves game Saturday and closing on Monday.  This has been a hectic process.

I think all the financials are in order, that wasn't easy at all. :34:
How's the Braves ballpark?  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2018, 12:18:32 AM
On a random note - the Lady Gator lacrosse team won the BIG EAST.  So that's fun.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 09:25:36 AM
big east or B1G EAST?

B1G difference.

How come schools use "lady" in front of the girls' teams? As if there are no female alligators or something?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2018, 09:34:46 AM
b cause some have men's la crosse teams
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 09:38:04 AM
Why would that matter?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2018, 09:46:27 AM
you may think the men's team won the big east
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 22, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
I'm surprised schools still differentiate like that.  Seems very outdated
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
Are the women's teams at UNL officially called the "Lady Huskers"?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 10:08:38 AM
I'm surprised schools still differentiate like that.  Seems very outdated
Well, yeah.

There's a woman in the Senate who just had a baby. I'm sad that she decided to reproduce, but that's for a different board on this site. :34:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2018, 10:36:19 AM
Are the women's teams at UNL officially called the "Lady Huskers"?

I don't know about "official"
but sounds better than Huskerettes
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
How about just Huskers?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2018, 01:15:41 PM
So, the Vols..  There's the Lady Vols. There should be the Gentlemen Vols, no?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 22, 2018, 02:45:32 PM
So, the Vols..  There's the Lady Vols. There should be the Gentlemen Vols, no?
You'd think.
I've never heard Lady Spartans, so I don't think that has been used in any sort of capacity.  Same with Wolverines or Badgers.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 22, 2018, 04:10:23 PM
Only recently were the gals and fellas athletics merged at UT.  It used to be two separate departments with their own AD.  Summit, I think, was the last ladies AD.  There may have been one after her but I'm not certain.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 22, 2018, 06:14:58 PM
When you elope overseas and then put together a pretty nice reception for your return, inviting your family and friends to celebrate, it gets a little insulting when people treat it with all the import of an invitation to a backyard barbecue.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 22, 2018, 07:12:26 PM
see now @bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) , this community rocks in that it connects folks from far flung area's, but bites that we can't all pile in your backyard for a reception... 

but... 

between the B1G crowd bringing quasi-intelligent conversation, the BVII cookin' up the BBQ and fixins, the SEC guys headin up the booze bus, and then those fellas from the skunk works board talkin' religion and politics and makin' everyone uneasy- we'd do you no better than your family and friends showing up as if it was a backyard event... but my man, you and your bride wouldn't ever forget it.  

all the same- sorry it didn't go like you wanted, Sir. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2018, 07:34:50 PM
If we ever held a BBQ contest....everybody wins!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
let's do it

I'm hungry!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris61 on April 23, 2018, 01:44:03 PM
My guess is that in a few years kickoffs will be eliminated and the ball will just be placed at the 25.  This is a step in that direction so it become so common that it seems irrelevant to kick the ball off because 90% of the time it's a touchback.


I heard a guy from the rules committee on the radio a few days ago and he said they aren’t ready to eliminate the KO from football yet.  He said they strive the maintain the history of the game as we know it while at the same time protecting the players who play it.  He said it’s a balancing act but the rules committee isn’t ready to do away with it at this time.
He also said eliminating the KO would mean eliminating the onside kick and they haven’t found a solution to that.  They want the team that scores to have an opportunity to get the ball back.  A few years ago Greg Schiano suggested that after every score the team that just scored is given the ball at its own 35 facing a 4th and 15.  They can either punt or go for it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
so, with a 40 yard punt and fair catch the opponent gets the ball on the 25?

I don't know, but I'm guessing your odds are better at picking up a 1st down on 4th and 15 than snatching an onsides kick

maybe make it 4th and 20?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris61 on April 23, 2018, 02:16:52 PM


I don't know, but I'm guessing your odds are better at picking up a 1st down on 4th and 15 than snatching an onsides kick

Definitely.  If for no other reason it brings first down via penalty into the equation.  There isn’t a penalty that can be called on the return team on an onsides attempt that automatically gives the kicking team the ball.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 23, 2018, 02:28:01 PM
Definitely.  If for no other reason it brings first down via penalty into the equation.  There isn’t a penalty that can be called on the return team on an onsides attempt that automatically gives the kicking team the ball.
I was thinking the same thing.  PI, roughing the passer, any personal four, and other penalties that result in an automatic first down would be a significant factor in any form of 4th and __.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 23, 2018, 02:56:46 PM
Onside kick percentages are tricky, though.  In tinkering around and researching for the game I'm making, only NFL data is available - but when an onside is unexpected, it nears a 50% success rate.  When it's the usual late-game, obvious onside-kick opportunity, the percentage is down below 15.  

Even if the team that just scored has the 'kick or go for it' option, the element of surprise is gone.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 23, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
Onside kick percentages are tricky, though.  In tinkering around and researching for the game I'm making, only NFL data is available - but when an onside is unexpected, it nears a 50% success rate.  When it's the usual late-game, obvious onside-kick opportunity, the percentage is down below 15.  

Even if the team that just scored has the 'kick or go for it' option, the element of surprise is gone.
Considering that it is that high, it is surprising that teams don't do it more often although I imagine that you would run into diminishing returns fairly quickly.  That said, even the diminishing returns would, at least in theory, have an advantage.  If I were an NFL coach and I frequently and randomly went for onside kicks my opposition would probably respond by changing up their return alignment and personnel to guard against my frequent and random onside kick attempts.  That should degrade their ability to return my non-onside kicks.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 24, 2018, 08:27:53 PM
Closing yesterday went well, no hiccups fortunately.  I unloaded the rented minivan and we headed back today to learn the movers are coming tomorrow at 0800 and the wife is panicking, Morty.

I'm drinking gin and posting on the Interwebz.

It rained most of the drive back, yuck.  We will officially change residence around May 1.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
Bombay Sapphire?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 08:53:30 PM
I've taken a liking to Uncle Val's Botanical Gin, and also Hendrick's.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
I'll be looking to try those
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
I love gin.  Rehorst.  Badger it would be available in your hood.  It has ginseng and basil among other tasty flavors .  Distillery is across from Harley Davidson museum .
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 24, 2018, 09:44:16 PM
Bombay Sapphire?
Tanqueray Ten.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
I love gin.  Rehorst.  Badger it would be available in your hood.  It has ginseng and basil among other tasty flavors .  Distillery is across from Harley Davidson museum .
I'm in. I'll get it tomorrow.

We need to get together. And cook. And drink.

Boat is going in the water Friday. I think The Lake is thawed.

Give me some dates when you'll be passing through and we'll make it happen. Plenty of room for your family in the vessel, so long as the girls don't mind sleeping on a couch. If not, there's the hotel in town.

It would be good to lawyer and doctor up the dock. Too many engineers for my liking.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2018, 09:56:22 PM
Tanqueray Ten.
And you can fly your butt up here too. Then you can take me out flying and let me take the controls.

Everyone is doing it. Bottle to throttle in 12.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2018, 11:35:26 PM
Badge,

I need to examine the kids schedule (camps, nanny, etc.) One week, I'm taking one to a camp 'up north' in Wisconsin, i'm pretty sure that's mid/late June.  I know we're coming up for a friend's wedding in Aug.  I'll email you if the dates add up.  I'm pretty sure I could do a solo run one of those days. (likely in mid/late June).  I'm staying up in MKE in the event my daughter and her friend 'freak out' up at camp (I highly doubt it).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2018, 06:56:26 AM
And you can fly your butt up here too. Then you can take me out flying and let me take the controls.

Everyone is doing it. Bottle to throttle in 12.
For not much money, you can get an instructor to take your flying and you will fly a lot more than you would with me (and I'm not current anyway).  They offer "intro flights" to get folks hooked (they hope).  Then it would run about $120 an hour? and $30 for the CFI.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
I've thought long and hard about getting a license. It's about $10K or so to get it, plus more if you want higher ratings. Then joining a club, etc. I'm not buying a plane.

With the boat habit and retirement in sight, I'm not sure it's worth it at this point in my life. It's so much fun though.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on April 25, 2018, 10:48:31 AM
Tanqueray is my brand of gin. Good stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 25, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
Same here.  I don't frequently go there, but if I do, that's where I go

#trademarkavoided
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2018, 08:36:57 AM
I am glad I got my license but never really used it for more than "joy riding".   
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 29, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
I noticed that garlic mustard has invaded the park across the street from us .  Vile weed!  Nasty stuff if you don't remove it all at the root and throw it away.   First time I've seen it here in Indy.   The bad thing is everybody needs to get rid of it or it will travel to your property soon enough.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
weeds need love too

besides, that one is edible

I have a crop of them in my backyard - I'm sure my neighbors love me
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 30, 2018, 10:47:09 AM
They are a great source of vitamin C.  It stinks, it's invasive and can choke out the native plants. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
I dislike the smell, especially when mowing
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-coaching-tiers-2018-from-future-hall-of-famers-to-questionable-futures/


Some glaring omissions in this thing.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2018, 05:22:11 PM
FORE!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
Moved in now.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Temp430 on May 08, 2018, 09:13:11 AM
I saw a Mississippi license plate today with Roll Tide and the Alabama "A" logo on it this morning.  Very sporting of the State of Mississippi to issue such vanity plates for rival schools in adjoining states.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 08, 2018, 09:39:58 AM
I saw a Mississippi license plate today with Roll Tide and the Alabama "A" logo on it this morning.  Very sporting of the State of Mississippi to issue such vanity plates for rival schools in adjoining states.

"Yes officer, the man was wearing a blue leisure suit. The plates were from Mississippi. He was a huge, beastly, bulging man and..."


(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lionheart-designs.com%2Finventory%2Fconfederatestates%2FLicense%2520Plates%2FRebel%2520Pride%2520License%2520Plate.JPG&hash=d2ee95aa8d0b81b2287333419909e329)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
I saw a Mississippi license plate today with Roll Tide and the Alabama "A" logo on it this morning.  Very sporting of the State of Mississippi to issue such vanity plates for rival schools in adjoining states.
it's ALL about the revenue!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2018, 10:33:41 AM
BTN’s Gerry DiNardo says Scott Frost has a plan while Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh seems to be “all over the map.”

http://journalstar.com/sports/columnists/sipple/steven-m-sipple-dinardo-says-harbaugh-all-over-map-while/article_f95b4287-4742-5604-ba3d-1de06b32c077.amp.html (http://journalstar.com/sports/columnists/sipple/steven-m-sipple-dinardo-says-harbaugh-all-over-map-while/article_f95b4287-4742-5604-ba3d-1de06b32c077.amp.html)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 11, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
Moved in now.
How's it going so far?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 11, 2018, 11:57:40 AM
BTN’s Gerry DiNardo says Scott Frost has a plan while Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh seems to be “all over the map.

http://journalstar.com/sports/columnists/sipple/steven-m-sipple-dinardo-says-harbaugh-all-over-map-while/article_f95b4287-4742-5604-ba3d-1de06b32c077.amp.html (http://journalstar.com/sports/columnists/sipple/steven-m-sipple-dinardo-says-harbaugh-all-over-map-while/article_f95b4287-4742-5604-ba3d-1de06b32c077.amp.html)
This is true.

Florida, Italy and France come to mind.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 11, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
This is true.

Florida, Italy and France come to mind.
Indianapolis?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 11, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
How's it going so far?
It is amazing how much "stuff" just goes wrong for "want of a shoe".  The wife wants to organize her office and we had a nice desk delivered for her yesterday only to find it was without any hardware so it can't be assembled.
I ordered a nice entertainment stand for the audio gear and it came with no assembly instructions, so it's a mess in the living room.  We somehow lost some cables in the move so my printer won't work and the cable I ordered for it doesn't work for reasons I cannot discern.  It gets frustrating.  
Overall, the important things are going well, we like the condo and the location a lot.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 11, 2018, 04:15:34 PM
Indianapolis?
That right there is funny.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 11, 2018, 04:29:16 PM
It is amazing how much "stuff" just goes wrong for "want of a shoe".  The wife wants to organize her office and we had a nice desk delivered for her yesterday only to find it was without any hardware so it can't be assembled.
I ordered a nice entertainment stand for the audio gear and it came with no assembly instructions, so it's a mess in the living room.  We somehow lost some cables in the move so my printer won't work and the cable I ordered for it doesn't work for reasons I cannot discern.  It gets frustrating.  
Overall, the important things are going well, we like the condo and the location a lot.

I'm glade you like the place and area. That's what is most important. I hope all the other stuff gets sorted out, but in the grand scheme, a few glasses of wine on the balcony will take care of most of that stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 12, 2018, 06:44:50 AM
Yeah, we keep reminding each other of that.  Our house in Cincy is on a tight timeline for getting our furniture out (we're selling it) and cleaned up and photographed.  It's supposed to hit the market before Memorial Day.  We're headed back up there for a ceremony in our village.  I didn't tell the mayor we had moved.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2018, 08:47:14 AM
maybe you've spoken about this previously, but any tax or other money advantages in Atlanta vs Cincy?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 12, 2018, 02:17:28 PM
Georgia has a $130,000 deduction on investment income for retirees, which is me, so that helps there.  GA state income tax is higher than that in Ohio overall, surprisingly, but I have no earned income any more.

Property taxes are lower but our property is considerably more expensive here, so the bill went up quite a bit.  We are eligible for some discounts on that apparently, that isn't clear.  Atlanta sales tax is higher than in Cincy.

"Stuff" in general costs about the same.  I've been to a Kroger and a Publix here and the wife has been shopping for stuff all over.  While I basically grew up here, it was out in the 'burbs and at that time midtown was largely not a place to find yourself.  It is pretty amazing today how it has changed, there are construction cranes everywhere with tall buildings going up.

We're right on the park so nothing taller than four stories can go in around us and nothing can obstruct our views here.

They just started on this place, which looks rather fancy:

http://opusplaceatlanta.com/

This is about 3 blocks up the street.

https://www.ajc.com/business/story-condo-tower-planned-midtown-atlanta/7epwzphCM3dCNZuv4O9fcK/

This is a block away:

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/9/22/16351902/dowling-midtown-atlanta-condo-for-sale-piedmont-park

Starting at $1.65 million for condos.  I figure that helps our property values.

NCR just moved into midtown from Dayton and is building a second office building also about 6 blocks away.

THis place really is going crazy, it smacks of the rush before the collapse in some respects.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 16, 2018, 01:23:41 PM
We need this thread.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 16, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on PEX  vs Copper?   (as far as water line/pipes).   I spent a decent chunk of time on the matter this week, spoke to a handle of friends in trades.  My builder (old school) conceded he has started to use PEX half the time now on his build sites.   I'm going with copper, based on the much longer track record of success over PEX, which still appears to be a solid choice for a variety of reasons.  The cost savings for PEX is wildly exaggerated in my view, at least based on the quotes I'm getting from the plumbers. 

This process more than solidifies the fact that one should never build your own custom home, no matter how much fun you have doing it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 16, 2018, 01:48:06 PM
PEX.... 

seriously... PEX.  

i've used both... maybe all materials over the years... the only thing i use copper for anymore is for making refreshments.  seriously.  

the advantages is tremendous in about any comparison... easier to repair, easier to route, less vulnerable to weather/temperature, doesn't become brittle with age, and doesn't lack consistency in wall thickness. once the cost of the tool is covered, it is a LOT cheaper than copper or pvc.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 16, 2018, 01:59:39 PM
Repairs alone make me want to not have copper. Copper cannot be spliced (at least according to this state's EPA) which means if there is a break, it's all coming out.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 16, 2018, 03:15:32 PM
You talk to 5 people you get five answers on this.     I recognize PEX has made improvements in the quality of its supplies and addressed some of the fittings issues.
The Pro-Copper guys:   PEX has had severe manufacturing problems, led to class action settlements (apparently that's all been fixed now) , and then the fittings have had their own problems from time to time.   A brother in law has had PEX problems (fitting issues leading to leaks), then another guy tells me of how mice ate through them and caused all kinds of water damage to a home he rehabbed. It can't be used outside and should not be exposed to any direct UV light.  I've also heard 'it doesn't look very good' compared to copper.

It seems to me the PEX is great if you're the plumber/installer because it is easier and much faster for you to install, not because it is necessarily a superior product to copper (which of course still has its own 'cons').   I no longer live in the arctic north, so I don't care about its edge vs Copper (from bursting in cold), that's also mitigated by having proper insulation.

Badge: funny you say that,  I read (may not be true now) Chicago prohibited PEX, unions didn't want to use it, was the stated reason.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2018, 03:32:27 PM
We had a leak in our main water line, which was copper.  A rock apparently had over time sliced a nick in it.  They did splice it.

They also managed to tear up the neighbors electrical line service but repaired it.  I think they lost money on that job.



Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 16, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
My ranch is 50 yrs old,I've been in it 24 yrs.I've had one leak in the copper pipe/connections in that time.Friend of mine had all sorts of problems with PEX -B back in the mid '90's.Corrosion in the connections,brittle tubing,even had some odor problems with it.Evidently a lot of that has been ironed out but I'd still stick with copper if price isn't too much of a factor
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 16, 2018, 04:00:48 PM
Badge: funny you say that,  I read (may not be true now) Chicago prohibited PEX, unions didn't want to use it, was the stated reason.
I'm pretty sure you still cannot use it. Unions don't like it because it takes less labor, and unions rule this state (the one I'm leaving).

I have PEX throughout my boat. Never had one problem.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
In other news, I may have mentioned this, I gave my Sonic to my daughter (who had a full sized truck).  I liked that car. 

Then we traded the Caddy in on a VW Golf GTI, which is a practical kind of car, especially for city driving.  Our underground parking lot is a bit tight in spots and the Golf size is easier to maneuver.  It also has 40 profile tires and a spare versus the 35 profile run flats on the Caddy that caused so much trouble.  They had a GTI Autobahn with a manual on the lot and I think I got a decent deal on it (but you never really know).

Some of the streets here are pretty well pot holed, a few really bad spots.  I was driving the wife around one of the ritzy residential areas so she could ooh and ah.  We're talking tens of millions for these places.  Obviously, some are owned by athletes, and some by upper level execs and entrepreneurs like Arthur Blank, whose checkbook isn't blank.

Cincy has a very nice area called Indian Hill but I never saw a house like some of these.

The midtown area is almost a forest of construction cranes right now.  It sort of smells a bit like a boom before the crash.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 16, 2018, 04:14:05 PM
See Sherman did a nice job leveling those crappy out dated plantations & structures.Not only a hell of a General a great civic planner
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2018, 04:49:34 PM

Some of the streets here are pretty well pot holed, a few really bad spots.  I was driving the wife around one of the ritzy residential areas so she could ooh and ah.  We're talking tens of millions for these places.  Obviously, some are owned by athletes, and some by upper level execs and entrepreneurs like Arthur Blank, whose checkbook isn't blank.

how do pot holes create themselves w/o freezing and thawing and salt and corrosion?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2018, 05:55:41 PM
how do pot holes create themselves w/o freezing and thawing and salt and corrosion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothole#Formation
Apparently freezing/thawing is only one possible way they form, not a necessary condition. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2018, 08:05:16 AM
It does freeze here of course, and fairly often in winter at night, but I think the streets just are a result of heavy traffic and little maintenance.  We basically can't drive anywhere from 4 PM to 7 PM, which is OK, though if I have to I can use some back streets.  The grocery is about a mile away.  

The Cincy freeways had some bad potholes while the freeways here are in good shape.  If you hit one at 70 mph with run flat 30 profile tires you can just go buy another $450 tire.  And there was only ONE tire maker that made a run flat in that size.  I didn't want the 19" rims, 18" is plenty.  Larger wheels weigh more than smaller wheels with larger profiles anyway and your cornering capabilities do not improve.  They are cosmetic and hurt performance in most cases.

We're headed back to Cincy over Memorial Day as the village is having a special celebration for my son because the state has named the local freeway for him, or however you call that.  I didn't tell the mayor we moved.  We're flying back and taking MARTA to the airport, which is obviously convenient, and then renting a car in Cincy.

I hear MARTA is going to become "The ATL", which kinda has a ring to it, and will be integrated with the transit systems of the surrounding counties that don't have hard rail.  There is talk about expanding MARTA a bit, but we'll see if there are any funds for that given the expense.  I like the concept of grade separated busways.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2018, 08:37:22 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothole#Formation
Apparently freezing/thawing is only one possible way they form, not a necessary condition.
90 percent of potholes are caused by water damage. See a crack? If not sealed and maintained, it will be a pothole.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2018, 08:44:42 AM
I'm pretty sure you still cannot use it. Unions don't like it because it takes less labor, and unions rule this state (the one I'm leaving).

I have PEX throughout my boat. Never had one problem.
PEX is really the best (and only) solution on the market for any application where it's not climate controlled at all times.  I ripped out all of the old copper tubing in my Airstream (much of it having burst over the years from improper winterization) and replaced every single foot of it with PEX.  I even got the fancy color-coded stuff, blue for cold water lines and red for hot water.  Not a single problem with that tubing in the ten years I've had the Airstream, I love that stuff.  
Even if you're  using the hard connects instead of the quick-connects at Ts, elbows, and unions, it's still a lot faster than soldering copper (and I've done plenty of both).
I believe it's legal here in Texico in some residential and commercial building applications, but not universally, and it's still not widely used.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2018, 07:42:38 AM
I noticed on a nearby road yesterday just poor street repairs of drainage gratings.  They are recessed enough to cause some potential tire and wheel damage.  I also noticed a small pothole that looked really deep, sharp edged.

There is a section between us and the grocery store that is in bad shape.  I'd say most of the roads are in OK shape consistent with the mild winters.  The road above widens out to six lanes north of us and still has the same concrete surface it had when I lived here in 1970.

This place of course is a LOT different than it was then overall, especially in the 'burbs, and midtown, which was not a nice place back then.  This building was built in 1988 and I kinda wonder what the area was like then.  Colony Square is coming up on a 50th birthday, which tells me I'm getting old as I recall when it was built.  They are doing a ground level major rehab to bring in more street level stores and whatnot, which makes sense versus the very sterile street presence it had originally.  

We had an IKEA order yesterday call and claim we were not home, which pisses me off because we were home and they never checked in at the front desk.  We continue to have issues with delivery folks not showing up and claiming we were not home.  This area is replete with high rise apts and condos and they all share the same scheme.

The wife drove the new car for the first time yesterday.  One thing it lacks is memory seats, which the Caddy had and was convenient.  The Caddy also had ventilated seats which I suspect will be missed in a month or so.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 18, 2018, 02:30:22 PM
The Cincy freeways had some bad potholes while the freeways here are in good shape.  If you hit one at 70 mph with run flat 30 profile tires you can just go buy another $450 tire.  And there was only ONE tire maker that made a run flat in that size.  I didn't want the 19" rims, 18" is plenty.  Larger wheels weigh more than smaller wheels with larger profiles anyway and your cornering capabilities do not improve.  They are cosmetic and hurt performance in most cases.
Question regarding run-flat tires. Can you patch/plug them if you pick up a nail/screw? What sort of places will do it?
The wife's BMW has run-flats and picked up a screw. It has a *very* slow leak (i.e. we put air in about once every 7-10 days). When she took it to the dealership for normal service, they said it was a screw and that since it was a run-flat, they won't repair it. The only option was a new tire. We said "we'll figure it out, thx."

I'd like to get it fixed. It's a lease and due back in Oct, and we're hoping to not have to replace any tires.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 18, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
I doubt any tire joint will fix it, unless you travel a bit North and find a place with a guy for a thing. 

Or you can try to plug it yourself.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2018, 02:52:19 PM
Repairing a Screw Puncture | EASY FIX! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjJEcwRFK0)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2018, 03:26:52 PM
Run flats should be much the same in the tread areas.  It's the sidewalls that are different.

Put in fixaflat.  But if you do, you can't plug it later.

BMW wants to sell you a tire.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 18, 2018, 03:47:59 PM
Getting tired of hearing about shootings in schools. 

There was one attempted earlier this week, not too far West of here in Illinois - Dixon. 

Cop shot the kid before the kid could do harm. Didn't shoot to kill, so the kid is alive. His mother said on the news that he's a good kid.

Umm.. No. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2018, 04:28:35 PM
could be a good kid with mental health issues
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 18, 2018, 05:01:47 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-tennessee-tech-de-one-10-arrested-teen-prostitution-sting-232225679.html

Hmm. You'd think a college football player, of all people, should understand that doing something for free is totally cool, but being paid for it is suddenly immoral. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2018, 05:12:42 PM
THIS DAY IN HISTORY  

The Bath School Bombing (1927)

Over the course of several months leading up to May 18, 1927, disgruntled school board member Andrew Kehoe hid hundreds of pounds of explosives inside the Bath Consolidated School in Bath Township, Michigan. That day, after destroying his farm—which was slated for foreclosure—he detonated the explosives inside the school and set off a bomb in his vehicle. The massacre is considered the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in US history.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 18, 2018, 05:25:36 PM
One of the craziest and most underknown stories in American history.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 08:48:37 AM
Maybe it's just me, but as the shooting in Texas was not effected with an assault rifle type weapon, coverage seems to have been muted, though there is some wedding happening.  My FB lit up with stuff after Parkland and I've seen only one post on this one, and it didn't go past 3-4 responses.

I realize FB is not an accurate window into how folks think, but it can afford a bit of a clue.  It seems to have evolved into a political discussion area, and not a very good one these days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2018, 08:58:24 AM
I'm pleased to know the wedding is over

had no idea what time today
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 09:07:52 AM
The wife turned on the interminable TV coverage when she got up, but it's upstairs and I can barely hear it which is fine.  I went up to get more coffee and she was going on about the castles and her dress and whatever else.

It seems to be a female kind of thing.  I asked her why there were American flags being draped in places and she informed me the gal is American.  Huh.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 19, 2018, 09:10:25 AM
I'd rather have news on my front page. I'm not a fan of weddings though. As in any of them.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 09:17:45 AM
Napoleon wasn't French, Hitler wasn't German, and Stalin wasn't Russian.  Napoleon and Hitler invaded Russia on the same day (June 22) after being thwarted by the British.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2018, 09:37:35 AM
I'd rather have news on my front page. I'm not a fan of weddings though. As in any of them.
I don't attend many wedding or funerals
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
This is one of my biggest beefs with modern society and no one can seem to provide a rational answer:  why does Great Britain still have royals and why in the holy hell does anybody care about them?!?  I don't know why it irks me so much, but WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Then I consider the people Americans worship and the only difference is ours come from numerous idiotic bloodlines and GB's comes from one.  Whether it's the Kardashians or Honey Boo Boo or whoever the hell else, they're random, godawful, and dwelled upon for no rational reason.  Same with the royal family.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2018, 10:16:19 AM
Here's what I actually came here to post about - I wasted some minutes on ESPN.com and the college football section is still gossiping about UCF's self-proclaimed NC and how Bama brustles at the idea.  So I'm sure ESPN, the sports gossip factory, will keep this going all off-season for clicks and giggles.

Hey, how about if they played?  Would Bama be a 10 point favorite?  12?  More?  The only thing UCF has is it beat the team that beat Bama.  But we all know if we went by that, then you could end up with Akron being the NC every year.

What was the last year news was news and not a swimsuit contest over the nation's oogling eyeballs?  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 10:17:16 AM
Different people find interest in different things, which is fine with me, in general.

I commented earlier about how many channels I see that are 100% advertising on my cable.  Some people watch, apparently.

Some people think watching football is a waste of time and don't understand it.

So I guess it isn't close to one of my biggest beefs.  I generally just eat beef and don't have them.  Having a beef is a waste of time unless it's on the hoof.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
Alabama would be a 2 TD favorite over UCF easily IMHO, and probably have beaten them 35-7 or so.

Auburn was not that great a team, despite their wins over UGA and Bama at home.  They had a good D and one good running back, but they were a better than average team that got beat by UCF, who also has a better than average team.

Now, if Alabama had been relegated to the Peach Bowl, they might have lost to UCF, but not if it mattered.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2018, 10:32:55 AM
we as knowledgeable college football fans can speculate what might have happened if UCF would have landed in the 4-team playoff

but unfortunately, we will never know for sure

we do know that the game vs Auburn in the Peach was impressive - I was surprised, I took Auburn and gave the points

Scott Frost is in favor of an 8-team playoff at the moment.  I'm not
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 10:35:36 AM
Upsets happen of course.  We're all speculating, but I feel strongly that UCF would not have fared well in the playoff against any of the teams included.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
Even allowing for a big UCF upset in a playoff - they'd have to play a 2nd consecutive big-boy team.  Tell me they wouldn't get curb-stomped.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Different people find interest in different things, which is fine with me, in general.

I commented earlier about how many channels I see that are 100% advertising on my cable.  Some people watch, apparently.

Some people think watching football is a waste of time and don't understand it.

So I guess it isn't close to one of my biggest beefs.  I generally just eat beef and don't have them.  Having a beef is a waste of time unless it's on the hoof.


I'm talking about these big, unavoidable obsessions, though.  Sure, plenty of people dislike football and the attention it receives, but you can avoid 3 certain channels on TV and avoid it altogether.  
This royal wedding is everywhere.  Plus, while football players were mostly born with innate help to become exclusive athletes, they had to work to get to the NFL.  They had to practice, go to school, eat right, etc.  They had to DO something.
Royals?  They had to do precisely one thing:  be born.  Done.  It's garbage.  What did Kim Kardashian do?  Have a fat ass and whine on TV.  Done.  Rake in the millions.  This isn't coming from a source of jealousy, but of criticism for the masses.  Those who fuel the dementia.  
The 'why' behind it - WHY do millions of Americans give 2 fux about who the 6th person in line to the powerless throne of GB marry?!?  It's too random to make sense!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
I personally had zero interest in the wedding, or the Royals, but others do, for whatever reasons.  When a lot of people have interest in a thing, it will obviously garner a lot of media attention.

I was waiting in the dentist's office a while back and picked up a copy of People magazine and leafed through it quickly.  A LOT of people apparently like what it covers, which to me and you is 99% garbage, rumor, and irrelevant tripe.

The lives of a lot of people (including me really) are boring, they look for some kind of vicarious "thrill" to brighten their days, I imagine.  And of course there is naught to be done about it so I just let it pass, as it will.

The rest of us can talk football or read a book or watch a movie or whatever else we do to pass the time.  Back in the day there wasn't much time to be passed with idle pursuits, but today there is.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2018, 03:23:27 PM
Yeah, life is going to get a lot more wacky once automation and AI/technology replace people altogether.  Having a job won't be a thing anymore.  

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2018, 05:39:28 PM
I read somewhere how autonomous trucks would put tens of millions out of work someday, perhaps soonish.  And of course the truck tractors will be much smaller, just engine and transmission and electronics etc., no cab for humans.

We could face the day when unskilled and semi-skilled jobs are a thing of the past.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2018, 06:59:49 PM
Upsets happen of course.  We're all speculating, but I feel strongly that UCF would not have fared well in the playoff against any of the teams included.


I felt strongly that Auburn would cover.  did you?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 19, 2018, 08:04:47 PM
The fact that humans still call balls and strikes makes me think we aren't as close as we think.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 19, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
The fact that humans still call balls and strikes makes me think we aren't as close as we think.
They'd still have to have a guy back there. The computer could glitch out and make hilariously bad calls. Or the pitcher could find a loophole, such as bouncing the ball through the strike zone. Not to mention close plays at the plate, and determining weather or not the ball grazed the batters sleeve, or if the batter checked his swing.
And who's gonna dust off the plate? The catcher? Let's not get crazy here. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2018, 10:07:15 PM
Let's not get crazy here.

like having computers drive cars full of humans at 70mph on crowded freeways
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 07:33:48 AM
I felt strongly that Auburn would cover.  did you?
No, I thought there was a very good chance of an upset for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 07:34:10 AM
I didn't know umpires determined the weather ...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 20, 2018, 07:51:43 AM
point them to the climate thread
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 20, 2018, 08:03:40 AM
The overblown Royal Wedding coverage was a welcome interruption from the usual nastiness of shootings, deficit showdowns, Trump's tweets, and someone's being offended. Plus it put a certain segment of the population in a good mood. A lot stood out from the photos/clips I saw on my twitter feed. First, has anyone ever seen a sunnier day in England? The weather was perfect. Second, how about that southern soul pastor lighting the place up? I was surprised how overtly Christian and Southern the wedding was. It was more like the kind I've attended in Alabama/Georgia with lengthy scriptural readings, a thorough sermon, and praises direct to God in the Vows. All of which I expected to be extinct, forgotten, and disallowed in the UK days. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 08:07:43 AM
IMHO, bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger.  The motivation simply is lacking in that case, in practice, in focus, in preparation, and the teams can "enjoy" the festivities because they are playing "Boise State" in effect, and beating them doesn't really matter, while winning does to BSU.

Auburn was one game from the playoff (and SEC championship) and missing that effectively ended their hopes and dreams, while a win over UCF would have been a meh, so what?

So, they didn't prepare as they would have and should have, and UCF had the speed to catch them off guard and they never recovered.  In bowl games, you also face a team with which you are usually very unfamiliar and you watch film of them versus opponents you don't know.  So, I thought Auburn was primed for an upset.  I sort of figured UCF would come out and build a nice lead and then hold on as Auburn finally got motivated.

Of course a lot of teams just missed the playoff by a small amount, but they usually were playing another name team in a bowl game, like OSU and USC, so both had an equal level of motivation.  But replace USC with "Boise State" and the equation shifts.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 08:09:28 AM
Coverage of an event reflects who "we" are collectively.  They don't cover things that don't get eyeballs, or try not to.

Two of my female FB friends were arguing on FB about the wedding dress and whether it was nice or too plain.

OK then.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 20, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Aside from the TLC shows that exploit children I have a hard time caring too much about what entertains masses.  Hell, if we debate alternate jerseys, I can't criticise people debating a dress.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 09:02:01 AM
Yup, different strokes, but a lot of eyeballs were on that wedding, and still are. 

Replays and all that.

A lot of folks watch the World Cup thing in football also.

We are an interesting species.

My grandma told me she and grandpa would stay up into the wees hours reading in winter as there was little to do around the farm then.  Granddad would find work in PA or WVU mining coal or building roads when he could after the harvest to get some money.  They had no electricity until about 1935 or so, so no internet or cell phones.

Back "in the day", you worked much of your waking time, went to church, ate dinner, slept, and made babies.  There was little need for leisure activities other than perhaps after church.  They didn't drink and rarely went into town, not that the town offered much to do either.

Today "we" fix dinner in 20 minutes and eat while looking at our cell phones and watch TV 8 hours a day, somehow, or type burfle on the computer.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 20, 2018, 09:20:58 AM
I'd rather have news on my front page. I'm not a fan of weddings though. As in any of them.
Well whoever got married was smart enough to avoid a fall wedding
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 20, 2018, 09:21:22 AM
Interesting point about drinking.  There's no room for debate that we have more free time, but I think as a culture we've reached a more uniform level of drinking.  I'd guess 80% of people I know drink moderately with occasional regrettable nights.  I think prior generations had far more people drinking both excessively and not at all.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
A lot of Georgia counties were dry when I was in college (not Clarke county where UGA was of course), maybe more than half.  My grandparents lived on a farm in east Tennessee that was in a dry county and was until fairly recently even though it includes tourist type towns.  Of course that meant shiners would have a market.

But my grandparents on both sides didn't drink alcohol because of religious convictions.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2018, 10:05:16 AM
Aside from the TLC shows that exploit children I have a hard time caring too much about what entertains masses.
What? The Duggers? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on May 20, 2018, 10:18:26 AM
IMHO, bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger.  The motivation simply is lacking in that case, in practice, in focus, in preparation, and the teams can "enjoy" the festivities because they are playing "Boise State" in effect, and beating them doesn't really matter, while winning does to BSU.

Auburn was one game from the playoff (and SEC championship) and missing that effectively ended their hopes and dreams, while a win over UCF would have been a meh, so what?

So, they didn't prepare as they would have and should have, and UCF had the speed to catch them off guard and they never recovered.  In bowl games, you also face a team with which you are usually very unfamiliar and you watch film of them versus opponents you don't know.  So, I thought Auburn was primed for an upset.  I sort of figured UCF would come out and build a nice lead and then hold on as Auburn finally got motivated.

Of course a lot of teams just missed the playoff by a small amount, but they usually were playing another name team in a bowl game, like OSU and USC, so both had an equal level of motivation.  But replace USC with "Boise State" and the equation shifts.
Doesn't this logic basically end up reinforcing our ideas about the structure of the sport. As you said, why can't I say, USC just wasn't up for it after being denied the playoff? What if I said, Brian Kelly's Cincinnati team just wasn't up for it after a grueling undefeated regular season, and that's why Urban's (clearly better) Florida team won?
Sports are weird. Bowls are more weird. And I think it's not bad to acknowledge that, but when the contours of that coalesce in a specific way that puts a thumb on the scale against the interesting stories, I don't think that's great. In short, if that coaching staff and players can't get up for one of only 14 times they'll play a football game in a whole year, and with a long break to rest up, sucks for them.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 20, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
What? The Duggers?
Jon and Kate Plus 8, Dance Moms, Teen Mom, the kids beauty pageant shows, Honey Boo Boo, etc.  I think that's all that channel airs is thinly veiled child porn.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on May 20, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
Here's what I actually came here to post about - I wasted some minutes on ESPN.com and the college football section is still gossiping about UCF's self-proclaimed NC and how Bama brustles at the idea.  So I'm sure ESPN, the sports gossip factory, will keep this going all off-season for clicks and giggles.

Hey, how about if they played?  Would Bama be a 10 point favorite?  12?  More?  The only thing UCF has is it beat the team that beat Bama.  But we all know if we went by that, then you could end up with Akron being the NC every year.

What was the last year news was news and not a swimsuit contest over the nation's oogling eyeballs?  
It's up there because Saban said something about it earlier this week, and anything that breaks up the monotony of "here are more offseason rankings," is probably good for them (also, it makes people weirdly mad and gets them talking). 
From the sites I've looked at, you're talking something like a 12-14 point line. I think one system had it a little closer, but this year, his numbers were quirky on mid-majors for some reason. It's interesting because we've made the national title important, while at the same point creating this uncanny valley of teams that are functionally ineligible save for an act of God. One was bound to act out. 
And people have been saying "that's not news" forever. The difference now is twofold. We consumer more and it's more immediate, meaning news we don't care about isn't limited to an hour at night or a part of the paper we don't read. We're also better at broadcasting that we don't think something is news, where in the past we complained to relatives and friends, most of whom were mostly half listening (It's remarkable the complaint disconnect online vs. in real life, at least in my experience).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
Jon and Kate Plus 8, Dance Moms, Teen Mom, the kids beauty pageant shows, Honey Boo Boo, etc.  I think that's all that channel airs is thinly veiled child porn.
Oh, I'd never noticed that. 
Usually when I scroll past that channel, it's just shows about unusual families. 20 and Counting, My 600 Pound Life, Little People Big World, or one of about a half a dozen polygamy shows. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
I think teams get "up" right before the game starts, but I also think at times they don't take preparation as seriously as they would in a game they consider to be important.  Focus, film, effort, all that.  Then they find themselves behind early and are kind of whooshed and can't recover.

I think UCF had a fine team, but probably around 10th best in the country, meaning if they played 1-9, they would win 4 times out of 10, then 3, then 2, then 1.  Maybe they beat Bama in a real game one time in ten.  Maybe.  

But with Auburn, it was probably more in the 4 times out of 10 area, and Auburn didn't prepare for it.  Credit to UCF for playing and preparing of course, but I personally don't think they had the talent Auburn had, and Auburn was not a great team.

I still figured UCF would likely beat Auburn in THAT game because of game preparation.  And if UCF wants to claim an NC fine with me, I don't care one bit.

Games for me fall to probabilities, and there was a slight probability that Stanford would beat USC as 42 point dogs way back, and it happened.  That was probably a 1 in 10,000 kind of event.

And teams that are 7 point dogs still win about 1 time in 3.  Doesn't mean they are better of course.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2018, 03:36:33 PM
I've never bought that teams don't get up for bowl games. Lots of kids are playing their last football game, as in ever. There's not that many games to play either. Each one is an event. They all matter to the kids playing and coaches coaching. It's their life.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 20, 2018, 03:59:08 PM
I've seen how "up" these kids get for pride for a drill in August.  There's no way they aren't up for a bowl game.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Okay, but based on what?  Besides you guys just saying so?  Each game IS an event, yes, but to expect 20 year olds to get 'UP' for 100% of them is foolish.  

A bowl game is a special thing to a 55 year old man.  Sure.  I get that.  But to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals.  

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 20, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
Okay, if you say so
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2018, 04:40:55 PM
The goal for every team is to win every game it plays, whether that game is the MNC final or a pre-conference (or tune up) game against Hawaii or ULaLa.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
I remember hearing from an Auburn friend of mine about how they didn't show up after Wisconsin kicked their ass in a bowl game some years back.

I also remember reading a quote from Tubs shortly after, saying something to the effect that it's a slap in the face for him and his team for anyone to say they didn't show up. It's also a slap in the face for the winning team.

It's a convenient saying (mostly for SEC fans) when their teams don't win bowl games against teams like Utah, UCF or a team from the "Big Slow" conference.

But if they do win, it's all SEC! SEC! SEC!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
Auburn was one game from the playoff (and SEC championship) and missing that effectively ended their hopes and dreams, while a win over UCF would have been a meh, so what?
Wisconsin was one game (6 points) away from the playoff (and B1G Championship), got shafted into playing a true road game against Miami, and what happened?
"Turnover Chain my f'ing ass!", said Paul Chryst.
Ohio State had an argument over Bama ("no clear separation") last year, got shafted into playing its Rose Bowl in Dallas, and what happened?
Hell, the season before last, UW was one game away from a B1G Championship and got shafted to play PJ Barnum's undefeated Rowboats from Western Michigan, in Dallas. 
PJ Barnum may never beat Wisconsin, I'm thinking, if he couldn't beat them in that game. But that's not the topic here.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
Badge, you gotta get off the SEC thing, jesus christ.  It has nothing to do with conference.  Take your blinders off.

Why do announcers....no, forget about that.....why are the phrases "looking ahead" and "letdown" a thing?  Because they exist.

Yes, the underdog who straight up beats a favored team without quirky turnovers or crazy events happening - when they earn their victory, that happens.  But there's a reason they were the underdog.  The better team doesn't always win.  And whether you label it one of those phrases or not, over time, people have noticed these upsets occurring in certain situations:
1 - the week before a big game
2 - the week after a big game
3 - bowl games in which season goals were lost the game before

The making goals thing isn't perfect.  Good coaches do it, of course, but it's not 100% perfect.  Once those goals are out of reach with a late-season loss, your motivation holster is empty.  

What I cannot understand is why some of you insist over and over that all of the above is BS.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on May 20, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
Okay, but based on what?  Besides you guys just saying so?  Each game IS an event, yes, but to expect 20 year olds to get 'UP' for 100% of them is foolish.  

A bowl game is a special thing to a 55 year old man.  Sure.  I get that.  But to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals.  


Meaning is different to different people. 
A coach wants to win a bowl game. They literally put it on their season goal lists everywhere. It's usually one of the more attainable ones actually. I assume most players want to win rather than lose. Most are competitive. Some let the noise and such around them distract them. Some aren't focused because they felt they deserved better or let failure compound itself.
Some teams just aren't up for it. Bowls should be taken with a grain of salt. But it also becomes a retroactive thing, playing the outcome. If a game goes one way, it means one team was better, the other, that team was still better, but didn't try. I'm plenty into saying, this outcome doesn't necessarily mean something black and white, but this brand of excuse-making is something that never quite sat right. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 20, 2018, 06:12:55 PM
And whether you label it one of those phrases or not, over time, people have noticed these upsets occurring in certain situations:
1 - the week before a big game
2 - the week after a big game
3 - bowl games in which season goals were lost the game before

What I cannot understand is why some of you insist over and over that all of the above is BS.  
I don't insist it's BS. However, I also don't think it's assured to be "a thing".
Humans see patterns where this are none; we like seeing patterns. It's called confirmation bias. When you see a team "caught looking ahead", you think it's because they're looking ahead. Maybe they just got beat.
What I want to see is actual statistical evidence either way.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
But what you call "just got beat" isn't different than "looking ahead".  It's a bell curve.  

The better team loses sometimes.  Some X-percent of the time.  I think we all agree on that.  
So let's look at 3 all-time insane upsets that just pop in my head, that I think everyone will know about:

1975 Kansas beats Oklahoma, 23-3.  Kansas was 5-3, OU was on a 28-game winning streak.
Is it unfair to say OU looked past KU?  The Sooners had 6 turnovers in the 2nd half, but KU forced at least some of them, didn't they?  The KU defense kept the rolling OU wishbone out of the end zone for 60 minutes.  OU was by far the better team, but got beat.  Do we just say KU played better and go on about our business?  Am I silly when I suggest that OU, facing hapless KU at home, sandwiched between road games vs ranked opponents, thought the Jayhawks would be another easy win, as they always had been, and might not have prepared their hardest?  Might not have played with their hair on fire, as they SHOULD every game?  

We can give KU it's due AND state the obvious - that the better team didn't play anywhere near its best, much of which had nothing to do with what KU did.  What's the crime in that?!?

1992 Iowa St beat Nebraska, 19-10.  ISU was 3-6, UNL was in the top 10.
There wasn't a big turnover disparity here.  ISU ran all over the Huskers and earned their win.  But what was the context?  UNL had just destroyed two top-15 teams the past 2 weeks and was trying to clinch the Big 8 title the following week vs OU.  Is someone going to tell me they weren't overlooking lowly ISU?!?  This is exhibit A of exactly what I'm saying happens - the better team having just dominated 2 large bumps in the road, with a major goal still ahead of them, and they poop the bed vs a lesser team.  Saying "upsets happen" isn't enough - why do they happen?  when?  Are there certain situations in which upsets are more likely?  All I'm saying is YES.  

2007 App St beat Michigan 34-32.  App St was I-AA, UM was #5 in the country.
This one was unique, wasn't it?  The season-opener.  App State was #1, but in FCS.  Vegas didn't put a line on it, because it was supposed to be an easy blowout.  UM had a lot of talent coming back - NFL types.  Home game.  Ranked 5th.  Probably paid ASU a lot of money, too.  No big statistical difference, no big turnover difference.  App State earned the win.
The flukiest things in the game were the last 2 events, really - UM getting into FG range in the last 25 seconds, then App State blocking the FG attempt as time expired.  The other 59 minutes and 30 seconds weren't fluky.  Was the eventual 13-2 ASU team better than 9-4 Michigan?  No.  But they won, and that's the goal. Great.  Did UM "show up"?  Did they play their best?  

If you want to debate playing your best every single game vs playing your baseline average, that'd be one thing.  But UM's best was better than ASU's best.  UM's average baseline was better than ASU's baseline.  Now badge and others like to say every team should always play their best at all times forever.  Sure they should.  BUT THEY DON'T.  NO ONE DOES.  NO ONE CAN.  What should be and what is, is vastly different.  Putting your head in the sand and pretending it's not true is silly.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 07:23:45 PM
Good coaches get their teams "up" as often as possible.  But no coach has his team play its best 100% of the time.  They're people.  They're coaching 20 year olds.  Your right guard may be having the game of his life, but the center might've been out drinking all night.  Doesn't make the coach a bad coach.

Look at the "losers" on the list - Switzer, Osbourn, Carr.  Bad coaches?  Bad motivators?  Of course not.  They did everything good coaches do year after year, game after game.  But 100% isn't a realistic goal.  

We don't have to shrug our shoulders when there is a major upset and chalk it up to "upsets happen".  They do, but we can look for reasons.  We can find tendencies and cite them.  Make note of them, don't pretend they're fictional.  They're not excuses, they're reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 20, 2018, 08:21:18 PM


Look at the "losers" on the list - Switzer, Osbourn, Carr.  Bad coaches?  Bad motivators?  Of course not.  They did everything good coaches do year after year, game after game.  But 100% isn't a realistic goal.  

and sometimes, the underdog justs plays a great game with a few good bounces
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2018, 08:44:49 PM

I think they always want to win and try their hardest, but agree that some games are going to get the adrenaline flowing more than others. Human nature. 

I remember a few years back Chris Spielman was calling a Mac game. He was notorious for calling out bad tackling form, and harping on it extensively. After the game the coach joked that he'd never seen such sound tackling out of his team. They didn't want to get torched on National TV. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 20, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Right, I haven't ever said it's consciously, but it's a real thing.  Hell, I'm not sure it even can be consciously.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 08:28:09 AM
Sometimes teams have bad games. It's not for a lack of trying.

Michigan was trying like hell in that game against Appy. They didn't want to be that team that lost to an FCS school.

Appy was just a little better (and more lucky) that day. The "ball" bounces funny sometimes.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on May 21, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
2007 App St beat Michigan 34-32.  App St was I-AA, UM was #5 in the country.
This one was unique, wasn't it?  The season-opener.  App State was #1, but in FCS.  Vegas didn't put a line on it, because it was supposed to be an easy blowout.  UM had a lot of talent coming back - NFL types.  Home game.  Ranked 5th.  Probably paid ASU a lot of money, too.  No big statistical difference, no big turnover difference.  App State earned the win.
The flukiest things in the game were the last 2 events, really - UM getting into FG range in the last 25 seconds, then App State blocking the FG attempt as time expired.  The other 59 minutes and 30 seconds weren't fluky.  Was the eventual 13-2 ASU team better than 9-4 Michigan?  No.  But they won, and that's the goal. Great.  Did UM "show up"?  Did they play their best?  

If you want to debate playing your best every single game vs playing your baseline average, that'd be one thing.  But UM's best was better than ASU's best.  UM's average baseline was better than ASU's baseline.  Now badge and others like to say every team should always play their best at all times forever.  Sure they should.  BUT THEY DON'T.  NO ONE DOES.  NO ONE CAN.  What should be and what is, is vastly different.  Putting your head in the sand and pretending it's not true is silly.


M*ch players came right out and said they played down for this game. They were smoking weed in the locker room and joking around in practice. 
I think what is getting challenged here is cincydawg's statement "bowl games end up in upsets more often than regular games, especially when some team thinks it missed out on something bigger." Then the examples given are all SEC not quite National title contenders. 
Upsets happen, motivation is a factor. I don't think anyone is arguing that (well maybe badge is.) I think what is getting challenged is if motivation is a larger factor during a bowl game than regular season. I don't know if we have data that backs this up, but what we do have is 3 weeks of build up, lazy announcers/reporters trying to find something to talk about during a bad game, and the whole offseason to reflect upon it.
The Ten Commandments for Betting the Bowls (http://www.thelogicalapproach.com/betting_the_bowls.htm) - three of the 10 commandments take into account for motivation. 
Switching sports I can tell if Cleveland is gonna win or lose by watching Kevin Love run or walk after the opposing team makes a bucket. (Love typically helps with the inbound, if he is hustling I think the Cavs will be fine, if his shoulders slump and his walks to the ball, open spot on court; I say "uh-oh" the Cavs are about to lose the game. motivation is thing. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 09:11:08 AM
Badge, you gotta get off the SEC thing, jesus christ.  It has nothing to do with conference.  
In my perception, fans of SEC teams are the ones who use the "didn't show up" excuse more than any others. It's the fans of teams that expect perfect seasons every year, because their team has the best players and best coaches. The only reason they could possibly lose is if they "didn't show up".
Fans of most of the big boys are like this. Here, not so much, but then again we are for sure debating it.
Ohio State "fans" want to fire Urbie after every (rare) loss. That's silly too. I don't think Glen Mason could handle another round of the OSU job being open. If you fire a guy like Urbie, you could end up with Bill Callahan or Derek Dooley or something.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 09:14:08 AM
M*ch players came right out and said they played down for this game. They were smoking weed in the locker room and joking around in practice.  
They may have "played down" in the beginning, but they were trying like crazy after getting punched in the mouth.
I thought those comments ended up being refuted?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2018, 09:16:21 AM
I think this is more about game prep than being up for the game, as I said earlier.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 21, 2018, 09:24:02 AM

That Michigan team certainly had some issues coming out of the gate. They got hammered (literally) by Oregon the next week. 

To their credit they turned it around and wound up having a pretty good season.

They didn't beat OSU of course, but they did beat the Tebow led Florida juggernaut in a Bowl Game.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 21, 2018, 09:34:20 AM
There were problems on that Michigan team that season... Chemistry, leadership, prima donnas getting preferential treatment, dont know I wasnt there, but they certainly were. 

Bama was exposed by a team that was built to expose them as they played wide open with nothing to lose, where bama thought they could give half effort and roll... That was arrogance, plain and simple.  

You cant look at games like those and not consider games that went like you think it should have gone prior.... Example boise vs uga early season and they got mopped. Broke their touted qb's heart and he gave up in the third.   

Urban Meyer said something and he needs the credit.  He said "99 out of 100 times the better prepared team wins".  The losses of giants to mortals is ALL on the coaching staff.  The better coaches learn from their mistakes, the arrogant ones shrug and move on. 

Auburn was beat the hell up last season.  Especially late
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 10:59:47 AM
I think this is more about game prep than being up for the game, as I said earlier.
so, when a not great Auburn team beat Bama and then upset Georgia, Auburn just prepared better the week of the game?
Bama just wasn't "up" for preparing for Auburn?
upsets happen, the better team doesn't always win, for many reasons.  Sometimes for lack of motivation.
fans are going to excuse away losses.  I just don't agree with the idea that Bama and Georgia would have rolled UCF if given the change in the playoff.
Obviously, Bama and Georgia were very fine teams and if they get on a roll they could beat any team by 3 or 4 TDs and that might have happened to UCF, but to think it was a certainty is reaching.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 11:25:33 AM
 

Auburn was beat the hell up last season.  Especially late
Apparently not beat up enough to beat Bama?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 12:33:20 PM
Bama was probably outscored 16-7 in the 2nd half of that game because the players all knew that Auburn was beat up and lost motivation to prepare properly the week before.

Saban even apologized for his team's performance:

Alabama coach Nick Saban said his team still deserves a playoff shot after playing for the national title the past two years and scarcely getting challenged this season.

"I don't think one game defines who you are," Saban said. "It certainly doesn't define this team for who they are. I'm sorry that I could not do a better job as a coach and as a leader."
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 21, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
Apparently not beat up enough to beat Bama?
bama and Georgia is how they got beat up so badly... much of Auburn's O was based around the impact and rumor of impact of their TB... which isn't attempt to take anything away from UCF- they were a fine team last year i don't think anyone can argue.   I think they would have played anyone in the top 5 tight- especially for a single game.  
and maybe that is the crux of this, and something we'll never know because these games aren't played in consecutive series- it's a one time shot at a team as they are currently built.  having players motivated knowing they've got to play at their best and leave it all on the field right dang now, and is their only chance of winning carries more weight than telling the team to 'saddle up and execute one more time', especially when the arrogance of 'league' or 'status' is involved... I don't think UCF beats Auburn 3 out of five, but i think it would have come down to the third game... I don't think Auburn beats Bama three out of five, though they'd have at least one... I don't think Auburn would have had even two against UGA last season (out of two they got one, with a healthy 'hell on wheels' TB)- though watching the first game would certainly have made you think otherwise.  Meanwhile, I think UCF could have beaten any of them, or anyone in the top ten, once... as long as it was the first game.  
all of that is conjecture and opinion and based on nothing other than my gut feeling after watching them play. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2018, 02:04:07 PM
I thought Auburn would be lucky to beat UCF for reasons I stated.

I was not surprised at all.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 21, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
i wasn't surprised at all either- but i also will freely say that auburn was not playing as i'd witnessed them play earlier in the year. 

this sport is about cohesion and concert- all parts contributing their role as a cog in the machine, that if not operating properly will throw the entire machine off kilter- and as that happens it makes the source of the issue hard to locate/isolate.  it's what draws me to it- team players and cohesion; one goal through separate acts... this feeds into the whole 'comfort zone' thing i've blabbed about for years. 

whatever the issue- maybe UCF removed Auburn from their comfort zone or maybe auburn removed themselves, they lost to a team that played like a team and wasn't intimidated or deterred.  the ability UCF showed in team unity/cohesion showed me they could play against anyone- especially the first encounter.  once a giant team (such as a Bama, tOSU, Wiscy, UGA, ect) realized what they were up against, they'd simply shift gears- meld into a team again, and go to work- winning a lot more often than losing after that warning shot across their bow

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2018, 02:52:38 PM
So why was 3-loss Auburn a 9.5 favorite vs undefeated UCF?  For fun?  

I'm dumbfounded that I have to keep harping on the (to me, obvious) idea that a team with its goals in front of it is going to be more intrinsically motivated than the one who just had their goals dashed the game before.

I'm not saying anyone mopes around or doesn't give their all in practice or that the coaches are buffoons.  I'm saying that inner fire - that carrot dangled in front of them all season - suddenly being removed matters.  Hell, if it didn't matter, then why dangle a carrot in front of the team in the first place?!?!?

If making goals is a good thing, then the failure to meet them is going to cause a negative reaction.  No, not always, but sometimes.  All I'm positing is that it happens more often than the normal percentage of upsets (whatever that is).  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 03:05:22 PM
I'm dumbfounded that I have to keep harping on the (to me, obvious) idea that a team with its goals in front of it is going to be more intrinsically motivated than the one who just had their goals dashed the game before.

"Turnover Chain my f'ing ass!"
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2018, 03:06:32 PM
Why do smart people keep acting like the plural of anecdote is data???

sigh.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 03:12:35 PM
So why was 3-loss Auburn a 9.5 favorite vs undefeated UCF?  For fun?  
to make money for the bookies
I gave the points and took Auburn - I assumed any team capable of beating Georgia by 23 and almighty Bama by 12 could cover the points vs an AAC team -  I was wrong
why can't others, such as many SEC coaches, players, and fans also admit they were or could have been wrong about UCF?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 21, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Why do smart people keep acting like the plural of anecdote is data???

sigh.
More than one highly rated team had its hopes dashed at or toward the end of last season. 
Only one of them embarrassed itself on the big stage that is a NYD 6 game.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
Given I figured UCF was likely to upset Auburn, I would say I was right about UCF.

They had a very good team, a lot of speed.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 03:28:42 PM
I figure you were right as well, Cincydawg

but, most Dawgs, and Tide fans give UCF no respect

even most Auburn fans simply say it was a fluke because of lack of motivation or some other reason contrived by bowl season

heck in the final AP and Coaches poll UCF moved up to 6th and 7th - the national voters even begrudgingly gave some respect with 4 first place votes in the AP
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2018, 06:06:41 PM
Are we now pretending fans of P5 programs looked down on UCF "just because"????  FFS

G5 teams are looked down upon for 2 reasons - talent and schedule.  Talent is a discussion we can have, and that's fine.  

Schedule is not.  UCF's schedule was crap.  UCF's schedule was so poor that if they actually were the best team in the country, no one would know it.  That's on them, fair or not.  We don't know if UCF is "that good" because we didn't see them play 3 tough games in a row during the season.  They didn't play a ranked opponent until the last 2 on their schedule, and while they won both, they gave up a combined 97 points in the process.

If anyone else had that same resume - OU, Bama, or whoever - they wouldn't get much respect, either.  The Knights had the 52nd-ranked scoring defense vs the 75th-ranked schedule.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 06:43:56 PM
I looked down on them because of their schedule and didn't think UCF talent could stand up to Auburn talent

things don't change much if they had played and won the 3 games that were cancelled vs Memphis, Georgia Tech and Maine

obviously that is going to happen because of the schedule - until they played #7 ranked Auburn

I'm not saying UCF has a claim as the #1 team in the nation or even a top 4 team in the playoff

just saying they should earn some respect after putting it on Auburn pretty good in the Peach.  Heck, with 4 losses Auburn finished #10

Auburn was held to 90 yards rushing on 44 carries.

More dominance: The Knights sacked Jarrett Stidham six times. Auburn had only one sack.

yes, any AAC team will be discounted because of their schedule.  Just give them a little credit if they beat a team like Auburn, especially if it doesn't look like a fluke

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 21, 2018, 07:40:08 PM
to make money for the bookies
And here I tried proving for quite some time it was to make money for Me,Bastages
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on May 21, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
They may have "played down" in the beginning, but they were trying like crazy after getting punched in the mouth.
I thought those comments ended up being refuted?
I'm not seeing an article refuting the claims.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2018, 09:12:01 PM
Idk about the UM-AppSt thing.  But a coach can do everything right - lay into his team about how they can't just show up and win, keep the action and effort high during practice, etc.  But a player can be gung-ho at practice and say and do all the right things, then go home and chill with his friends and tell them "we got this" - and not take the game seriously.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 09:47:43 PM
and sometimes the entire team takes the game seriously and simply gets their butts kicked

I suppose every time a team fails to perform up to their maximum, win or lose, there's a reason or an excuse

when the Huskers were run by 39 vs the Badgers in 2012 there had to be a reason

in 2014 when the Buckeyes went 59-0 over the Badgers there had to be a reason

2017 the Hawkeyes put 55 on the Buckeyes there had to be a reason
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 21, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
A lot of this can be attributed to momentum. 

If one team gets a few big TDs, it sucks the life out of the other team. You can see it in their body language on the sideline. 

Of course one pick 6 the other way will fire them up again, all of a sudden. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 09:55:16 PM
A lot of this can be attributed to momentum.
agreed, nothing to do with it bein a bowl game or championship game or game prep the week prior or lack of motivation because of the perception of the opponent or having year long goals taken away
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2018, 10:41:35 PM
and sometimes the entire team takes the game seriously and simply gets their butts kicked

I suppose every time a team fails to perform up to their maximum, win or lose, there's a reason or an excuse

when the Huskers were run by 39 vs the Badgers in 2012 there had to be a reason

in 2014 when the Buckeyes went 59-0 over the Badgers there had to be a reason

2017 the Hawkeyes put 55 on the Buckeyes there had to be a reason
As I've already said, upsets exist on a bell curve, but why would we study everything else and just shrug on this thing and chalk it up to "just because"??  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2018, 10:58:15 PM
study all the psychology you like

scoreboard simply states the better team won

were the Hawkeyes 31 points better than the Buckeyes last season?  yup

psychology, motivation, blocking, tackling, turnovers, preparation and many other things are all part of the game

UCF was better than Auburn - heck the pollsters even agreed in the final poll

I understand Auburn fans not wanting to swallow that pill.  They can sugar coat the pill if they want, but they swallowed it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2018, 12:55:22 AM
Auburn beats UCF 3 out of 4 times as a 9.5 point favorite:

http://www.bettingtalk.com/win-probability-percentage-point-spread-nfl-nba/

Kudos to Frost and company for pulling it out.  Good on them.  But it was an upset and they weren't better.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on May 22, 2018, 06:59:30 AM
Auburn beats UCF 3 out of 4 times as a 9.5 point favorite:

http://www.bettingtalk.com/win-probability-percentage-point-spread-nfl-nba/

Kudos to Frost and company for pulling it out.  Good on them.  But it was an upset and they weren't better.
S&P+ (which outperformed Vegas) has UCF as the better team
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
I think UCF had a very good team, as I said earlier.  It is not a shock when a very good team edges another very good team.  I also think bowl games more often yield upsets, in part because of poor prep.
Florida beat a very good OSU team back when in part due to preparation, or lack thereof.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 22, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
In case there was/is any doubt that football rules the roost in college athletics:



The Kansas President whacked his AD.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 22, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
In case there was/is any doubt that football rules the roost in college athletics:



The Kansas President whacked his AD.
Unless there's more coming with the Adidas-basketball payment issues
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 22, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
In that case, he should have whacked Self too. Right?

If KU football was cheating, they really sucked at it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
In that case, he should have whacked Self too. Right?
hah, the goose that lays golden eggs?  nope, blame the AD, slap the goose on the beak and keep winning conference championships
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 22, 2018, 12:37:35 PM
A firing in May makes me think it's something like that because if it was primarily based on poor football results, why not do it back in January?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on May 22, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
Why do smart people keep acting like the plural of anecdote is data???

sigh.
Because you are arguing a point of conjecture. 
And becuase the nature of arguing sports is rooted in anicdote. College football data is lumpy, and reality lumpier still, especially with so we outcomes and our inclination to find reasons to discard data points. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
A firing in May makes me think it's something like that because if it was primarily based on poor football results, why not do it back in January?
poor football recruiting results?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
Because you are arguing a point of conjecture.
And becuase the nature of arguing sports is rooted in anicdote. College football data is lumpy, and reality lumpier still, especially with so we outcomes and our inclination to find reasons to discard data points.
There's data out there, 'cept no one seems interested in it here.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on May 23, 2018, 12:54:40 AM
There's data out there, 'cept no one seems interested in it here.
I love me some good data. I even love when data tells me something that I don't necessarily agree with because it shows me the contours of the system we're using. (i.e. I think the high-loss teams that do well in S&P+ are oddly fascinating because I know why they are where they are)
But this:
"to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals."
This is not data. This is conjecture. Our friends at UCF claiming a title is also silly. But that's the nature of the sport. Some take it as a chance to poke the power structure in the eye. But it only gets traction if some folks out there feel the need to feel poked in the eye (and by God they do).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 07:39:54 AM
My point is probably conjecture too. 

The point being that kids play and prepare for every game as hard as they can, because there are so few games.

Plus, with bowl games.. Who the hell wants to lose their last game? Possibly their last game, ever, or at a minimum, last game for 9 months?

I'll never be convinced otherwise. Kids play to win. Coaches coach to win. It's what they do.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 10:19:07 AM
agreed

some kids/coaches may lose conviction midway through a blowout, but at the moment of kickoff, they are invested in playing well and winning the contest
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
The problem is that Badge says he'll never be convinced. So it would have to take incontrovertible data to even broach the subject.

OAM says he's already convinced and there's data to prove it, but has only provided anecdotal data, which is easy to do if you cherry-pick the most egregious samples. But it's not a full data set.

I'm on the fence. I'm willing to be swayed either way, but to do that, we'd actually need real data. As far as I know, nobody has ever compiled this in a methodical way.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
 nobody has ever compiled this in a methodical way.
Nobody ever will. It's not possible.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2018, 01:49:14 PM
obviously the big underdog is many times more highly motivated than the big favorite

obviously bowl season is something a bit different that the reg season, pre-season, or playoff season

and on top of those things, there's the variable of nearly (100) 18-22 year old kids on both rosters and half crazy coaching staffs

tough to compile things methodically 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:50:44 PM


I'll never be convinced otherwise. 
If this is true, then you are not part of the conversation.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Nobody ever will. It's not possible.
Boy, you're on a roll.  Just because it hasn't been done means it can't be.  Sheeesh.  Give me $1,000 and a month, and I'll do a deep dive and come up with a valid answer.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2018, 09:54:04 PM
I love me some good data. I even love when data tells me something that I don't necessarily agree with because it shows me the contours of the system we're using. (i.e. I think the high-loss teams that do well in S&P+ are oddly fascinating because I know why they are where they are)
But this:
"to a 20 year old who's season didn't turn out the way it was supposed to, the bowl game = free stuff, a bunch of events he may or may not enjoy, and then one more game to play which is meaningless in terms of season goals."
This is not data. This is conjecture. Our friends at UCF claiming a title is also silly. But that's the nature of the sport. Some take it as a chance to poke the power structure in the eye. But it only gets traction if some folks out there feel the need to feel poked in the eye (and by God they do).
You're right, I'm trying to have a dialogue about the "why" behind what I'm suggesting is a thing and others are poo-pooing.  I find it odd that I say the data is out there while having my conjecture cited.
But to find something in the data, mustn't we first have a hypothesis?!?

It may be conjecture now, but why assume that will always be the case?!?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
Boy, you're on a roll.  Just because it hasn't been done means it can't be.  Sheeesh.  Give me $1,000 and a month, and I'll do a deep dive and come up with a valid answer.
I'm not a boy, but we can talk about $1K per month for sure.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2018, 09:39:13 AM
The ATL is packed.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
100 days out! 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 24, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
100 days out!
Don't wish away summer. It's short enough already, and it just started today.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 24, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
Man, summer started a couple months ago. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 11:14:19 AM
Don't wish away summer. It's short enough already, and it just started today.
I'm not wishing away my summer. I am glad that it's finally here. 
I do find that "looking forward" to something makes the time go by a little bit slower. Like a kid waiting for Christmas. 
So in essence, I am actually extending my summer. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 11:22:51 AM
Although this is indeed a humorous role reversal of the first couple of posts in this thread. 

O0
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 24, 2018, 12:51:35 PM
As an aside the Smithsonian Natl African American museum is an impressive experience.   We had our gala there last night which made the experience pretty intimate.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 24, 2018, 02:06:09 PM
I love the off season.

Not the winter months so much, but I always kind of dread game 1 because it means that my summer is essentially over.
Heh.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 02:09:57 PM

I was mainly trying to trigger ELA's annual Jersey Countdown thread to start on time. :d030:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 24, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
I'm sure he's on it. He's on everything around here. I wonder what he gets paid.

Anyway, the offseason is very long up until right about when summer weather comes, which, at least here, has been seemingly coming later and later every year. If we get the rain this weekend, which is highly possible, this will go down as the wettest May on record, on top of being on of the coldest on record. It's already the 3rd-wettest. 

The only thing that gets me through are the trips we take. The old bones don't like the cold anymore so they have to travel.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 24, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
May has been awesome here. 

March and April were total BS. But no complaints about May. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2018, 05:04:16 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/K2FWooyziPBVjAZYZOf4enU16ZH6_JmW-3_OfJ2d9k-9v54H7C8wil6RoVh6qo9KqD6E2g=s158)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 25, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
RIP Bill Mallory
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 26, 2018, 09:35:05 AM
Nice spot ELA.I really wanted the Buckeyes to bring him aboard as HC when they let Earle Bruce go.IMO he had the right stuff but needed the horses around him.Of course they grabbed John Cooper who never did quite get it.

This from SI pretty well sums it up:

Bill Mallory went 69-77-3 and took Indiana to six bowls from 1984-96. Indiana has only played in 11 bowl games in its history. Mallory's blunt assessments and earthy phrases made him a favorite around Bloomington, Indiana, where he was perfect complement to basketball coach Bob Knight.

RIP Coach
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
also took Colorado to the Orange Bowl
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2018, 06:07:15 PM
I girded my loins and went to the DMV with the wife this morning to get my DL.

It was amazing, in and out in 30 minutes.  Ohio could learn something.

We continue with our disasters trying to get furniture delivered here.  It is funny at this point.  The last delivery had two items, neither even close to being correct.

The condo and area are very nice though.  Like it.

Bought a new car, down to one now, a GTI with a stick.

Better around town.

Still exploring restaurants.

Just paid first HOA fee.

DirecTV has been reliable and I get the SEC Network, and B1G.  Have my 70" TV wall mounted in living room, waiting on entertainment center still, see above.  No, it is not a coffee table.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Roaddawg on June 01, 2018, 05:07:02 PM
Headed to the B10 Lucheon on July 24th in Chicago.  Looking forward to the event, as it is a first for me; going to make it a few days stay in Chicago, and enjoy some summer fun. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
Did anybody else know the Lombardi Award is now given to any position?!?  I missed that completely.  It used to be for OL, DL, and LB.  But they changed it, are no longer affiliated with the Houston Rotary Club, and the RB from Stanford won it this past year.

Odd.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2018, 11:15:14 AM
very
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2018, 11:31:21 AM
Headed to the B10 Lucheon on July 24th in Chicago.  Looking forward to the event, as it is a first for me; going to make it a few days stay in Chicago, and enjoy some summer fun.  
Be sure to look me up.
How do you go about getting tickets for that thing, BTW?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 03, 2018, 12:24:46 AM
Worn down after a fun day tubing, and teaching oldest to water ski.  She's getting the hang of it.    Funny moment, the kids (and their cousins) were retrieving the stray inflatable rafts and such before lunch, and my niece starts walking along the shore to reach a raft and a 3 1/2 ft water snake surfaces from the grass/ground shrubs and startles the daylights out of her.   Moments later we see a huge ugly snapper passing through.    I'm surprised they got back in the lake after that today.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2018, 08:43:08 AM
probably wouldn't get them to go noodling in Oklahoma
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 03, 2018, 02:06:30 PM
I remember a segment from "Dirty Jobs" with Mike Rowe.He went noodling in Okla. - the good old boys had some fun with him.As soon as he got his hand under a rock or log they'd warn him about giant snapping turtle's or water snakes biting in the ass.The look was priceless
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
2019 College Football Hall of Fame ballot.

http://footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/News/2019-college-football-hall-of-fame-ballot-released (http://footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/News/2019-college-football-hall-of-fame-ballot-released)

Larry Jacobson, Nebraska’s first Outland Trophy winner, joins Eric Crouch and Zach Wiegert on the 2019 College Football Hall of Fame ballot.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
A LOOK AT 2017 STADIUM ARRESTS, EJECTIONS AND INCIDENTS FROM BIG TEN FANBASES


https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/06/93509/a-look-at-2017-stadium-ejections-arrests-and-incidents-from-big-ten-fanbases (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/06/93509/a-look-at-2017-stadium-ejections-arrests-and-incidents-from-big-ten-fanbases)

The annual rivalry game against Ohio State was the busiest game day of police activity last season at the Big House, as there were 48 ejections and five arrests during the Buckeyes' 31-20 win. Most of those ejections, along with the 71 ejections made across the Wolverines' other five home games, were made for disorderly conduct, alcohol inside the stadium, possession of another's identification or passing identification to another.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
2019 College Football Hall of Fame ballot.

http://footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/News/2019-college-football-hall-of-fame-ballot-released (http://footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/News/2019-college-football-hall-of-fame-ballot-released)

Larry Jacobson, Nebraska’s first Outland Trophy winner, joins Eric Crouch and Zach Wiegert on the 2019 College Football Hall of Fame ballot.
Wow, they put so many guys on the list you could pick 20 at random and they'd all be deserving.  
I always found it funny, Crouch winning the Davey O'Brien award.  I just view that as a big-passing thing and he had like 7 TD and 10 INT.  Give him the Heisman, fine, but the O'Brien?  Odd.  
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2018, 02:39:42 PM
How about Tommie Frazier winning the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award in 95?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
Well, looking at the Unitas, there's 2 things:
1 - it's seniors only, so that limits things
2 - Tony Rice won it with 2 TD and 9 INT in 1989

Frazier was a very efficient passer in '95.  Only about 60 fewer attempts than the previous year's winner.  

I just viewed the O'Brien as more of a high-volume passing award, but that was wrong as well.  The Sammy Baugh award seems to be that - lots of BYU, Texas Tech, Houston guys winning it.  It seems like it's for the biggest video game-like numbers for a QB award.  

I still say if Grossman was a JR, he'd have won in a landslide for the Heisman and all of the others he was eligible for.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2018, 03:09:22 PM

2 - Tony Rice won it with 2 TD and 9 INT in 1989


curse of the Irish
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
I'm part of a baseball forum, and am known for my criticism of award voters there.  Same with college football awards, especially the Heisman.

In both sports, awards a player has won are used as support to induct them into the Hall of Fame.  That'd be great....if the voters didn't suck so bad.  We can land a remote-control car on Mars and it can send pictures back to us, but we can't give the Heisman to a lineman.  It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
either give the trophy to the  "most outstanding player"

or change the verbage to most popular player
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2018, 03:41:22 PM
Exactly!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
In both sports, awards a player has won are used as support to induct them into the Hall of Fame.  That'd be great....if the voters didn't suck so bad.  We can land a remote-control car on Mars and it can send pictures back to us, but we can't give the Heisman to a lineman.  It's embarrassing.
Well maybe linemen should be throwing more touchdown passes if they want to win it. :96:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 04, 2018, 08:18:03 PM

Pac-12 passes rule requiring 6 wins for bowl eligibility

The Pac-12 will require its teams to win at least six regular-season games to play in a bowl, eliminating the opportunity for a 5-7 squad to earn a postseason spot when there are not enough six-win teams nationally to fill the bowls.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2018/06/04/pac-12-passes-rule-requiring-6-wins-for-bowl-eligibility/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2018, 11:07:18 PM
Good for them. Hope the B1G follows suit. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 05, 2018, 02:03:31 AM
Well maybe linemen should be throwing more touchdown passes if they want to win it. :96:
How about they go on strike and just stay in their stances when the ball is snapped?  lol
Gonna be hard to score.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 10, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
slowly coming together... finally had a grad party for the kid, which was mostly for the mom as it turns out... lots of people, bar and cook pit was christened.  

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34984203_10156704207398755_9011322543604236288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=08919f2413485c758829a8cc46d26ab2&oe=5BB2976D)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34882948_10156704281433755_8133854763616829440_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a55fc509846ac54501dc5136b01327f9&oe=5B7CF7B1)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34892205_10156704282003755_3181908108716802048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6595d17b1e7c743e512b42995232cc01&oe=5BBD50E2)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34687473_10156704282143755_6368771428577181696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4d1a6219c13a0288d66de9cede274f74&oe=5BA7515F)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35079070_10156704282243755_7130655728754229248_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=859bc954676a83fd14e28b568410cabc&oe=5B76863D)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34888004_10156704282433755_3806776333606846464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=30d70587925592a1eadd981be6fa6214&oe=5BBB42A4)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34872822_10156704282548755_2229692062234574848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=2f77c02870d62d9a832b9b0ae3c86387&oe=5B7B0834)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35049201_10156704282643755_5285374101483945984_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=101501b445bc9d367f7730a2b3648618&oe=5BAB5EC1)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35050963_10156704282758755_3268840883897761792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3c32eb4c51a3facb553428b8d3263869&oe=5BA8733A)

of course it isn't done.... but it's functional... which will have a direct impact on the timeline of its actual completion... 

that last pic is the gal who graduated, my youngest, and the Cane Corso 'Vito' at about ten months at the time... he was jumping from pallet of grass to pallet of grass having a blast while we (meaning they) were planting those things... I think there was 19 pallets of burmuda in the back, and i put down seven of centipede in the front (because i really don't care about the front all that much)... lots of work, y'all.... 

we went through a keg of Woodchuck cider over the last three days..... I like my cider.  apparently everyone else does too. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 10, 2018, 12:42:37 PM
sweet setup

great work

I'd rarely leave the back yard
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 10, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
That is a real nice set up right there!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 10, 2018, 01:50:00 PM
Well done, Drew!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2018, 03:05:31 PM
Really looking forward to the day I can have something like that. Color me impressed.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 10, 2018, 03:26:50 PM
I mean, I kind of interpreted the fact that he posted in progress pictures as advertising his services.  :103:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 10, 2018, 09:09:59 PM
there ya go

I agree
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2018, 04:42:51 AM
Kickass
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 11, 2018, 09:55:14 AM
Nothing beats an inviting backyard set up for a little R&R.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 11, 2018, 10:51:27 AM
this was the first round through the ecoque... 

it's a rib eye roast... took it up to 120* internal over about a five hour period- before pulling it, foiling it, wrapping it in a towel and putting it in a cooler to slowly cool- and that is where i think i went wrong.  I should have just covered it and let it stand on the serving bar.  it was almost well done on the ends, and somewhere between medium rare and medium in the heart.  

lesson learned, notes made... won't happen again. 

the pizza oven, on the other hand, did extremely well cooking rolls used for shaved rib eye sandwiches... 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2018, 11:38:07 AM
About time they added 3 more bowl games!

https://www.landof10.com/big-ten/ncaa-new-bowl-games-2020-college-football-wrigley-field-chicago
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2018, 01:46:32 PM
FFS.  This is 'Murica...more more more of something already excessive.  We can promote a game that 12 people will attend and still make a little money?  Let's do it!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2018, 01:51:08 PM
bowl game in Wrigley doesn't interest me - I've been there for a baseball game

I do have friends in Chicago, so I won't say it would never happen if the Huskers played in that bowl

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina on the other hand has open golf courses during bowl season and I have a friend 2 1/2 hrs south near Charleston.

Does Myrtle Beach have a baseball diamond that could seat 15,000?

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 11, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
Yeah, where's the game gonna be at Myrtle Beach  (which to me is not much of a destination)?  The Cubs have an affiliate in Myrtle Beach.  No way is that place bigger than 7,000.  Myrtle Beach felt like a very dated Wisconsin Dells when I passed through not too long ago.   Yes, there are plenty of places to golf, both north and south of Myrtle Beach.    Myrtle Beach has got nothing on Charleston or Hilton Head as far as a place to be in SC.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
He's probably right, but damn. He shouldn't denigrate his entire team like that. He's also 3 recruiting classes in, right? So...

Bronco Mendenhall says Virginia has '27 ACC-caliber football players on our roster'


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bronco-mendenhall-says-virginia-has-27-acc-caliber-football-players-on-our-roster/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 11, 2018, 03:17:30 PM
27 more than his Cougar teams had, and they used to take down Texas with regularity. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2018, 03:24:05 PM
He's probably right, but damn. He shouldn't denigrate his entire team like that. He's also 3 recruiting classes in, right? So...

Bronco Mendenhall says Virginia has '27 ACC-caliber football players on our roster'


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bronco-mendenhall-says-virginia-has-27-acc-caliber-football-players-on-our-roster/

I like that it means he physically counted them.  If he had just said "two dozen" or "thirty" you could write it off to hyperbole.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
so he's only handed out 27 ships since taking the reins? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2018, 02:42:43 PM
The “Marty Smith’s America” segment with Scott Frost in the Grand Canyon airs Thursday at 7 p.m. CDT on ESPN.

“In this episode of Marty Smith’s America we pushed ourselves to show these coaches in a different manner than what we see Saturday afternoons on sidelines all across this nation. We went from Omaha Beach in Normandy to the mouth of the Colorado River deep within the Grand Canyon to take you inside the minds and lives of the biggest names in the game,” said Smith.

The episode will feature four different coaches segments including:

Touring France with Jim Harbaugh

Smith joins Michigan football coach Jim Harbaugh and the Wolverines on their trip to France to see the sites and to pay homage to the troops that lost their lives at Normandy Beach. 
 Pickup Basketball with Nick Saban

Smith goes one-on-one in a game of hoops with Alabama football coach Nick Saban.
Hiking the Grand Canyon with Scott Frost

Smith embarks on a 20-mile hike through the Grand Canyon with Nebraska’s new football coach Scott Frost.
Roping Cattle with Jimbo Fisher

Texas A&M football coach Jimbo Fisher discusses his new stop at College Station while working some cattle.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 12, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
bowl game in Wrigley doesn't interest me - I've been there for a baseball game

I do have friends in Chicago, so I won't say it would never happen if the Huskers played in that bowl

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina on the other hand has open golf courses during bowl season and I have a friend 2 1/2 hrs south near Charleston.

Does Myrtle Beach have a baseball diamond that could seat 15,000?


There's 3 options.
They have a 5,000 seat soccer/mulipurpose stadium in Myrtle Beach.  
They have a 9,000 seat motor speedway, so it could be like that Tennessee/VA Tech game inside the oval.
OR most likely
Coastal Carolina (5 miles inland) has a 9,200 seat football stadium with teal fieldturf.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2018, 04:21:26 PM
:91:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris61 on June 12, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
He's probably right, but damn. He shouldn't denigrate his entire team like that. He's also 3 recruiting classes in, right? So...

Bronco Mendenhall says Virginia has '27 ACC-caliber football players on our roster'


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bronco-mendenhall-says-virginia-has-27-acc-caliber-football-players-on-our-roster/

I think it’s pretty messed up Mendenhall said something like that publicly.  I’d love for a player to respond by saying that he’s not sure Mendenhall is an ACC caliber coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 12, 2018, 11:26:52 PM
When has Virginia ever been good?  Welsh was lauded for having many consecutive 7-win seasons.  WHOA!!!  7 wins!!!

Even as I researched the best single-season teams of every P5 school the past 40 years, Virginia's finished 8-4.  They were ranked #1 at some point during that season, but 8-4 as the best season of the last 40 is awful.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 13, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
When has Virginia ever been good?  Welsh was lauded for having many consecutive 7-win seasons.  WHOA!!!  7 wins!!!

Even as I researched the best single-season teams of every P5 school the past 40 years, Virginia's finished 8-4.  They were ranked #1 at some point during that season, but 8-4 as the best season of the last 40 is awful.

They went 10-3 in 1989. They won nine games five times between 1994 and 2007.
Welsh had 16 winning seasons in 19 years, though nine were 7-4 or 7-5. Groh won 8 or 9 games four times in nine years, but had three 5-7 teams. 
In short, they’re a mid-tier program. Their ceiling hasn’t been high, their floor occasionally low. They’ve been oddly consistent at being competitive, at least until the London mess (which oddly did hurt their rivals)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2018, 05:40:59 PM
I think it’s pretty messed up Mendenhall said something like that publicly.  I’d love for a player to respond by saying that he’s not sure Mendenhall is an ACC caliber coach.
That would be amazing if something like that came out, but I doubt anyone is going to stoop that low.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on June 13, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
Jordan McNair, Maryland OL, dead at 19.

Very sad.  Kid was only listed as a 3 star, but played like a high 4 once on campus.  He had a future in the NFL, no doubt.

Sad for the family.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
I was just going to post that. Terrible news to hear. Seemed like a great kid.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on June 14, 2018, 11:29:02 AM
Virginia is awful. And still touted a a top get for the B1G. That's all we need is yet another Rutgers. *Shakes Head*
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on June 14, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
Jordan McNair, Maryland OL, dead at 19.

Very sad.  Kid was only listed as a 3 star, but played like a high 4 once on campus.  He had a future in the NFL, no doubt.

Sad for the family.
Yikes. RIP. Any details?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2018, 03:43:56 PM
I can post on my iPad but not my desktop, cannot login.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2018, 04:05:39 PM
check your credentials and call tech support

I'm on a desktop presently
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
My credentials are first rate.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on June 14, 2018, 07:02:03 PM
Yikes. RIP. Any details?
https://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Maryland-Football-Announces-Review-Circumstances-of-Jordan-McNairs-Death-119053339
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 18, 2018, 02:22:03 PM
Anyone catching the awful Kellen Winslow II meltdown? In court all week answering to multiple counts of targeting elderly women (60s, 70s, & 80s) for kidnapping, rape and burglary, yeeesh. Watched plenty of Winslow II over the years and he never failed to reveal himself as unnecessarily angry and vengeful, which on the field gets excused as part of his aggressiveness and competitiveness. Can’t say I expected anything like this from him.

https://people.com/crime/kellen-winslow-charged-alleged-rape-elderly-women-pled-not-guilty/?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=peoplemagazine (https://people.com/crime/kellen-winslow-charged-alleged-rape-elderly-women-pled-not-guilty/?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=peoplemagazine)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 21, 2018, 09:20:51 AM
the bar/cook pit is really coming together... 

i decided to re-purpose an electric smoker i received as a gift, and will be using it as a food warmer, or possibly as a side cooker (sans smoke)... I found a stainless sink on amazon that tied it in nicely!

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 21, 2018, 11:57:04 AM
the bar/cook pit is really coming together...

i decided to re-purpose an electric smoker i received as a gift, and will be using it as a food warmer, or possibly as a side cooker (sans smoke)... I found a stainless sink on amazon that tied it in nicely!
(https://i.imgflip.com/2cmz5r.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 21, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
I picked up my 9 yr old (and her friend) at a camp in the woods of WI, sure enough they were taught how to start a fire, tie a variety of knots and how to make shelter.    Next summer I'm gonna have them intern with Badger
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 21, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
I enjoy this thread
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 21, 2018, 04:45:26 PM
I picked up my 9 yr old (and her friend) at a camp in the woods of WI, sure enough they were taught how to start a fire, tie a variety of knots and how to make shelter.    Next summer I'm gonna have them intern with Badger
You do that and they will never be the same.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2018, 08:37:37 AM
So with Land of Ten shutting down, I took notice that Jesse Temple has moved on to The Athletic.

I subscribed and so far I'm pretty pleased with the content.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 22, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
So with Land of Ten shutting down, I took notice that Jesse Temple has moved on to The Athletic.

I subscribed and so far I'm pretty pleased with the content.
The content there is pretty solid, but IMO it's heavy on opinions and lighter on the type of news that Land of 10 would have.  The writing is very good though.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on June 22, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
Not sure where the Maryland thread is, but it's nice to see some beef on the DL with some athleticism. 

https://twitter.com/bgaddy97/status/1009863519272079360?s=19
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 03:51:02 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgFhTFRXkAElYPZ.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 26, 2018, 04:02:43 PM
My 6yr old loves em.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Blech.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 05:45:23 PM
My 6yr old loves em.
How could that be? 
They've been discontinued for almost a decade, and the relaunch isn't until July 1st. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
regards,

Mister Peanut
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 11:42:55 PM
Was on the campus of Michigan State for a wedding this past weekend. Will have thoughts later, it's been a busy couple of days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2018, 12:07:56 AM
whoops, she loves cheese puffs, which naturally means, she will love these Mr. Peanut versions.

However, Utz has been/still been making cheese balls forever, and we eat them.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 27, 2018, 06:18:30 AM
Wow, I remember that canister.  Ate a ton of those when I was little.

Came across a pretty amazing stat today:  in the last calendar year, of Florida's 21 sports participated in, 12 of them finished in the top 5 nationally.

That's a healthy athletic department.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 27, 2018, 07:23:07 AM
Not bad, for a school that only participates in 21 sports.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 27, 2018, 12:08:23 PM
Can I just say how dumb having Independence Day on a Wednesday is?

They agreed to it on July 2 anyway, ratified on the 4th IIRC.  Just call it Independence Day, make it the first Monday or Friday of July and call it a day
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 27, 2018, 12:33:03 PM
Really nice walk down memory lane here, and why I think ABC/ESPN going away from theme songs for their college football coverage is a mistake

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/6/26/17504264/college-football-theme-music-cbs-espn-abc-fox
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
The FSN theme has such a defined time period for me (mid/late 90s  exclusively XII/Pac 10 games).  they took over the old regional Phillips66 supported Big 8/XII telecasts and some of the Prime sports Pac 10 games. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 27, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Those era Big XII games were my white whale.  The big ABC Noon/3:30 one was always lost to the Big Ten regional split, and then the prime time FSN game was almost always preempted by an early regular season Red Wings or Pistons game, with the local FSN affiliate having the rights to both, and the chances of neither one playing a Saturday evening game were slim to none.  Generally it would jump back in time for the 10:00 Pac 10 game, which was rarely anything marquee.  I think that game was Washington at Arizona State roughly 95% of the time.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2018, 03:20:11 PM
Yeah, that (preemption) was a big problem in Milwaukee too (Bucks, or College Hockey always trumped those games).  I'd have to spend every Saturday night moving to a sports bar to catch those XII/Pac games.  The Nebraska alumni WI chapter took over Luke's Sports spectacular all the time.  Which was funny, as 'late night' that place was a dance club.  

The owner tried to make it work, when he knew there was a Nebraska night game, he had this partition set up, to try and corral the Nebraska fans to one side of the place, while the DJ/night club part of the place was setting up and getting started.   Quite a mixed bag of patrons by 10:30.  It was probably the one bar (in downtown MKE) that properly gave college football games the focus and respect they deserved.  So many places are all Packers/NFL focus all the time, even Badgers games were at times conspicuously neglected at some establishments during those times.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 27, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
Those 3 ABC songs from the early 90s into the 2000s are all the same, imo.  Love 'em.  The CBS one is a classic - as it's been the #1 SEC game of the week for so long.  

The first one is all disco-y and absurd.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 27, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Yeah those ABCs are my favorite, but they also marked the big Big Ten game of the week for my entire childhood, so I know the nostalgia factor there is high.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 27, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
If i'm a network, I give John Williams some cash and get something legendary.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 29, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 30, 2018, 08:23:14 AM
At what point do these "buy" games stop making sense?  Mid majors are able to ask for more and more, as the money shifts more and more to TV, where there is no demand for these games?

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/29/michigans-price-tag-for-their-2018-non-conference-slate-rings-up-to-4-6-million/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 30, 2018, 09:38:49 AM
Bill Moos:  “We always will have seven home games. I like to play one series with a Power 5 opponent that gets exposure in other conferences and then quality opponents that are FBS-caliber that we will most probably play at home and that will be a pay-out game,” he said. “Hopefully it gives us an opportunity to develop our younger players and entertain our fans.”

If the 7th home game is worth 5 million to UNL they will be prepared to pay Akron 2 million.  It's an easy doubling of your money.  and doesn't take into account all the other advantages to recruiting, the local economy, the high percentage victory in the win column, and so on.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 01, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
At what point do these "buy" games stop making sense?  Mid majors are able to ask for more and more, as the money shifts more and more to TV, where there is no demand for these games?

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/29/michigans-price-tag-for-their-2018-non-conference-slate-rings-up-to-4-6-million/
Arky got more than either of the other two - for NOT playing. M should have kept that game on the schedule. SMU might be better than Arky.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 01, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
Watts is a hid UW started to recruit, and then stopped. Now we know why.



Willie Canty (https://247sports.com/Player/Willie-Canty-46039989) is not in Lincoln yet. The offensive lineman still has to finish up a test score, allowing him to qualify. Canty is an important member of the class as he's the only tackle the Huskers elected to take.

Dominick Watt (https://247sports.com/Player/Dominick-Watt-89730) had hoped to be in Lincoln by June 8, but he also has to finish up a test score before he can qualify and enroll. Watt is one of several receivers the Huskers brought in as part of the 2018 class. Confidence is pretty high both Canty and Watt will be in Lincoln by the time camp starts.

Troy Walters (https://247sports.com/Coach/Troy-Walters-1318) addressed Maurice Washington at a stop in Geneva. He said things are still progressing for the running back and Nebraska remains positive about getting him as part of the team. Walters said Nebraska knows it can put the right community around Washington and help him grow as a person and a player.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 01, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Ive got two things to say today. 

1. Eye of round beef smoked to 125*, rested for half an hour to an hour, and then shaved with slicer as thin as you can get it makes a superb Philly cheese steak... Especially with peppers from my own garden.  Had to but the onion, though. 

2.  I've discovered womens college beach volleyball.    

Bonus: I'm a fairly happy and content man right now.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2018, 09:49:35 AM
It is cooler here this week than in the Midwest, though it is not that cool of course.  Yesterday was fine in the shade though, nice breeze.  We walked quite a bit.  

Spell check can be annoying.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 02, 2018, 10:13:16 AM

Bonus: I'm a fairly happy and content man right now.  
that is the golden bonus
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 02, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
The Big Ten is asking the NCAA to consider developing an NFL-like injury reporting system to protect the integrity of college football as legalized sports gambling expands.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/a-national-college-football-injury-report-may-be-coming-soon-if-big-ten-ads-get-their-way/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/a-national-college-football-injury-report-may-be-coming-soon-if-big-ten-ads-get-their-way/)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 02, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Maybe it's why I'm a litigator in my real life, but I guess I'm competitive enough that I don't need a wager to decide which team I want to win in a given contest, or to make that contest interesting to me. One of the reasons I've largely detached from sports media (outside of actually watching games) is because it is so thoroughly dominated by information intended for gambling/gamblers. I was naive enough for a long time not to see it, but now that I do, I find it extremely distasteful. And it is such a huge part of the money in sports--and with the new gambling law fixing to get a lot bigger--that it has far too much potential to wreck the product on the field.

So GET OFF MY LAWN!!! Or something.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 02, 2018, 04:46:41 PM
I don't need, and it's never done much for me, but it never bothers me either.

Like you, I laugh at how long it took me (I think it was probably until people started complaining about the Patriots gaming it) to realize the NFL injury report was for gamblers, and not just people like me who simply wanted to know.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2018, 05:35:04 PM
Those injury reports are key for fantasy football as well...

Which isn't "gambling" in the traditional sense. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 02, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
That's gambling, too. A different version, but gambling nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Well,
gambling = more money/attention
fantasy = more money/attention

The combination of the two, just deemed legal anywhere, is just more money on top of more money.  If I had dollars to invest in something, it's only a matter of time before there's sports betting kiosks or something in every shopping mall.  Yes, I'm aware everything is going/already digital and an app on a phone, but the biggest gamblers are the poor, and they lag behind when it comes to expensive tech stuff.  The people who still go to malls would be spending money at a convenient, physical place to gamble freely.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 03, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Had a nice ride up to Milwaukee yesterday. Gonna hit Summerfest today and probably return to Kenosha tomorrow.

The Lake is flat all week, and has also provided a lot of relief from recent heat wave days. Light easterly breezes will do that (on this side anyway).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Enjoy the lake

I have a 1:15 tee time this afternoon, 1:15 on the 4th, 1:15 Saturday and Sunday
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 03, 2018, 11:55:20 AM
Fireworks night in Milwaukee is July 3rd.  Should be good night for it from the boat Badge

Pretty decent music lineup today/tonight at Summerfest, though I wouldn't know a thing about the acts at the Marcus Ampitheater (J Cole and Trippie Redd).   Good alt rock options on a few of the stages,  Steven Tyler solo?,  Trace Adkins.

I played my 18 holes late yesterday.  It was sure steamy.   It was nice to not play a scramble, and play my own ball.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on July 03, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
Not the sports I'd like to see, but an interesting read nonetheless...

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23866176/which-schools-produce-most-draft-talent
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 03, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
Not the sports I'd like to see, but an interesting read nonetheless...

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23866176/which-schools-produce-most-draft-talent
Still something to be happy about with your school... Especially since Maryland is not exactly at the top of the B1G as far as number of varsity sports they sponsor... That suggests that you produce some pretty solid draft talent in the sports you do participate in.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 04, 2018, 09:23:08 AM
According to Sporting News, FOX and BTN are making a push for Finebaum when his contract expires.  I don't really understand that marriage.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 04, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
Fireworks night in Milwaukee is July 3rd.  Should be good night for it from the boat Badge

Pretty decent music lineup today/tonight at Summerfest, though I wouldn't know a thing about the acts at the Marcus Ampitheater (J Cole and Trippie Redd).   Good alt rock options on a few of the stages,  Steven Tyler solo?,  Trace Adkins.

I played my 18 holes late yesterday.  It was sure steamy.   It was nice to not play a scramble, and play my own ball.
Great night it was. MKE does a really nice job with the fireworks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
Happy 4th everyone

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 04, 2018, 02:05:56 PM
I filled up the kiddie pool and sat outside for an hour.  I need to regroup with AC and beer to go back outside and grill in 4 hours.  I was dripping sweat just sitting in a lawn chair in the shade.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 04, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
We hit the neighborhood pool early, a few claps of thunder shut it down at 2pm.  Now carmelizing onions for later.  Brats w real brat buns!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 04, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
We hit the neighborhood pool early, a few claps of thunder shut it down at 2pm.  Now carmelizing onions for later.  Brats w real brat buns!
Yeah they were calling for off and on thunderstorms all morning, and packing up a 5 and 2 year old for that is more trouble than it's worth.  Naturally no storms came through.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 04, 2018, 03:23:58 PM
It hasn't rained a drop here on the Northside but clouds barreling through pretty regularly . I did witness a 2ish yr old lose it when the lifeguards blew the whistle on the thunder.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 04, 2018, 03:44:35 PM
Happy Independence Day!

(https://i.imgflip.com/2dewui.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 04, 2018, 04:40:17 PM
Just pulled ribe eye roast off smoker... Letting it stand for at least an hour os the hardest part!!! Also have some country ribs smokin up now... They're a few hours out.   
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 04, 2018, 04:57:23 PM
Just pulled ribe eye roast off smoker... Letting it stand for at least an hour os the hardest part!!! Also have some country ribs smokin up now... They're a few hours out.  
I enjoy being in charge of the grill, but I also enjoy being the guest.  Heading to the neighbor's in about an hour.  Brisket has been in the smoker since last night, ribs since this morning, and the smoke has been taunting me.  My 5 year needed confirmation there would be hot dogs too
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 04, 2018, 07:26:23 PM
My dainty 9 yr old likes hot dogs but....in the microwave and then cut into circles like rolos.

Getting ready for firework bonanza next door.  This is the week where dog owners complain the most.  Very liberal firework usage laws in our county and muni.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
watching NAthan's dog eatin contest
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 05, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
SFIrish and I celebrated Independence with a leisurely bike ride on the California Coast, including road and off road portions.
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36627096_10213946275824924_4158498747438858240_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5f8166ae5f79181310ab605131ccb7c7&oe=5BE740AF)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36679892_10213946274704896_2080332345428148224_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5342e1f8c98bcdc618a0d76fcfa8fe90&oe=5BAC7CDE)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36684062_10213946276064930_4699496908261949440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4913dd090f78727e9f336e391049696e&oe=5BDC863A)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 05, 2018, 04:45:18 PM
seems dangerous

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 05, 2018, 05:17:59 PM
Judgement was questionable for the photographer who took the last one...  :)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on July 05, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
GF and I biked around the Minneapolis Grand Rounds yesterday morning. Great urban biking. Waited out some big thunderstorms at Sea Salt near Minnehaha Falls. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 11:39:45 PM
Flew out to GA to see family.  Been filling up on BBQ.  Will go down to FL next week, then back to AZ.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on July 06, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
According to Sporting News, FOX and BTN are making a push for Finebaum when his contract expires.  I don't really understand that marriage.
no... please no
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 06, 2018, 11:40:02 AM
So.. Kansas hired Jeff Long as AD, which could be interesting. 

Also interesting is a clause in his contract that should the program be placed on probation (shoe scandal), his contract is automatically lengthened by the same amount of years as the probation.

Seems like someone knows something is coming. Hmmm..
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 06, 2018, 11:48:55 AM
Diamond Stone. Heh.


https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Announces-FBI-Inquiry--119615151/


The University of Maryland on Friday released two separate FBI subpoenas it received related to the bureau's investigation into corruption in college basketball recruiting, one related for former Maryland center Diamond Stone and the other to one-time Terps prospect Silvio De Sousa.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 06, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
So it comes out that the FBI contacted Wisconsin about Stone's recruitment and came away with nothing. Seems that UW dropped out of the recruitment after Maryland got involved. Thank goodness.


This is looking like it's not gonna end well in College Park. Turgeon "didn't know"... haha. 


Good luck with that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
Bret Bielema to Kansas makes sense
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2018, 08:13:45 PM
College football's greatest teams: The best season from every Big Ten program

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-footballs-greatest-teams-the-best-season-from-every-big-ten-program/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-footballs-greatest-teams-the-best-season-from-every-big-ten-program/)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 06, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
Bret Bielema to Kansas makes sense
But, he coached under Wild Bill at KSU. How could he cross that line?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2018, 10:13:50 PM
KSU, Iowa, and Illinois are also listed as possibilities

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/bret-bielema-coaching-rumors-kansas-jayhawks-jeff-long-ksu-wildcats-iowa-illinois-colorado/1mdz5ie24pgss1dqlenib44k3v (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/bret-bielema-coaching-rumors-kansas-jayhawks-jeff-long-ksu-wildcats-iowa-illinois-colorado/1mdz5ie24pgss1dqlenib44k3v)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 06, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
He coached and played at Iowa too. Dood has the tiger hawk tat on his calf.

I don't think Hawk fans would have him, though I still believe he left UW with the ultimate plan to coach at his alma mater.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: fezzador on July 07, 2018, 05:01:53 PM
Yeah, I’ll pass.

I would love to have Bobby Stoops return as AD though.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 08, 2018, 10:34:08 AM
If I were a Hawkeye...  I'd bring Bobby out of retirement to coach
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 08, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
But, he coached under Wild Bill at KSU. How could he cross that line?
If they're grilling in the parking lot he's crossing the line
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 08, 2018, 07:47:12 PM
He's a good coach. Needs the right situation (strong AD, good facilities, good fans, good financial support) to win - like what he had at UW.

He'll get a good job somewhere, but I'm not sure he'll ever get a better one than what he walked away from in 2012. UW is a better job than many realize, including him, but he probably realizes it now. Greener grass and stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
He's a good coach. Needs the right situation (strong AD, good facilities, good fans, good financial support) to win - like what he had at UW.

He'll get a good job somewhere, but I'm not sure he'll ever get a better one than what he walked away from in 2012. UW is a better job than many realize, including him, but he probably realizes it now. Greener grass and stuff.
Agree with everything you said. His greatest sin at UW was not being Barry Alvarez, and it's hard to blame the guy for wanting to try something different. He is one of the more successful unloved coaches. After not being Barry, his next greatest sin is not trying very hard to play nicely in the sandbox. Made himself a lot of enemies that way--in the Big Ten and in the SEC...and including among his own teams' fan bases.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 09, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Agree with everything you said. His greatest sin at UW was not being Barry Alvarez, and it's hard to blame the guy for wanting to try something different. He is one of the more successful unloved coaches. After not being Barry, his next greatest sin is not trying very hard to play nicely in the sandbox with the people who needed to play nice with, and playing too nice with the people he probably shouldn't have been playing with at all. Made himself a lot of enemies that way--in the Big Ten and in the SEC...and including among his own teams' fan bases.
FIFY
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Nice. That got a laugh.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 09, 2018, 04:12:06 PM
Seems like everytime - everytime he started raking another coach,player or conference it blew up in his face then circled around and bit him in the ass.He took unwarranted shots at UW and the Big Ten that both provided a strong financial springboard to launch his career.For instance badmouthing The SEC when he was BIG,then goes SEC & badmouths the BIG.Or 2 years ago he raked tOSU about a week schedule - 3 days later Arkansas loses to a depleted Toledo team @ Home.TOSU has never lost to Toledo(knock on wood),watching him eat his words while getting panned across the SEC was priceless.He also made some idiotic statement to Bama/St Nick.At least 1-2 times a season he ate crow & humble pie.We're not talking about a young fella here he should have known better.Not really wishing him any future success either.Be nice to fail like that and be set for life
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 09, 2018, 04:21:27 PM
Seems like everytime - everytime he started raking another coach,player or conference it blew up in his face then circled around and bit him in the ass.He took unwarranted shots at UW and the Big Ten that both provided a strong financial springboard to launch his career.For instance badmouthing The SEC when he was BIG,then goes SEC & badmouths the BIG.Or 2 years ago he raked tOSU about a week schedule - 3 days later Arkansas loses to a depleted Toledo team @ Home.TOSU has never lost to Toledo(knock on wood),watching him eat his words while getting panned across the SEC was priceless.He also made some idiotic statement to Bama/St Nick.At least 1-2 times a season he ate crow & humble pie.We're not talking about a young fella here he should have known better.Not really wishing him any future success either.Be nice to fail like that and be set for life
Man, that Toledo game is super weird in retrospect. 
It was a pretty awesome MAC team, going 10-2 and getting Campbell the Iowa State job. 
I’d forgotten how they were depleted, but looking back, it appears neither of their top backs played. 
Toledo ended up being a good offensive team and top-25 defense when adjusted for schedule. 
Arkansas ended up being awesome at offense, mediocre on D and somehow lost a slug fest?
That turned out to be Bert’s best team there probably. If they escape with that win, a nine-win season perhaps earns him a hint more equity. Very odd. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 09, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Agree with everything you said. His greatest sin at UW was not being Barry Alvarez, and it's hard to blame the guy for wanting to try something different. He is one of the more successful unloved coaches. After not being Barry, his next greatest sin is not trying very hard to play nicely in the sandbox. Made himself a lot of enemies that way--in the Big Ten and in the SEC...and including among his own teams' fan bases.
I don’t think it’s quite about not being Barry. 
Bert stepped into a stable situation. He didn’t “take the program to the next level,” which many dreamt of. He also didn’t drop the baton. And that matters a lot. 
I think he’s a pretty solid coach in a world where being that can leave you out of a job. It’s a sport of big eyes and Big swings. 
(I thought he was often a jerk in his time at UW. But he was a jerk who won my requisite number of games and didn’t mess up the program. Barry was a similar sort of jerk, though he always carried it better).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 09, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
being a jerk or a nice guy doesn't matter in the game of wins and losses

so, be yourself and win every possible game
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 09, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
For all the praise heaped on BB for his defenses, it's kind of odd that his defenses cost him wins in 2010, 2011 and at Arky.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 05:41:14 PM

I'm not a fan, but I think he doesn't really get his due from the Badger fans--mostly because we were mad at him for wanting to go somewhere else. 

Alvarez was 118-73-4 at Wisconsin during his 16 years as the head coach. That's a win percentage of .605. Take out his first three seasons (so starting with the '93 Rose Bowl team), and he was 106-52-4, or .654. He had three conference championships, two one-loss regular seasons, and went 8-3 in bowl games, including going 3-0 in the Rose Bowl. After '93 Alvarez had two more losing seasons ('95 and '01). His '93, '98, and '99 teams were among the best in Wisconsin history.

Bielema was 68-24 at Wisconsin, or .739, in seven seasons as the Wisconsin head coach. He had two conference titles, two one-loss regular seasons, but went 2-4 in bowl games (Alvarez coached the Rose Bowl in the last/seventh season--a loss that I don't include above because he wasn't the head coach). His worst season was the 7-6 '08 campaign. The 2010 and 2011 teams were among the best in Wisconsin history (and played better teams in the Rose Bowl than the '93 and '99 squads).

Arguably he was more than just a caretaker. The Badgers were more consistently at the top of the Big 10 under him. And even if he didn't improve the team, he maintained (with a substantially higher winning percentage) the program at the best level it had ever reached.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 09, 2018, 05:47:43 PM
I agree with all of that. Lots of people seem to also forget about King Barry's attempts to recruit nationally after winning those two Rose Bowls. Lots of swings and almost all misses. Lots of plan C kids. That showed big in 2001, 2002 and 2003.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 06:27:53 PM
Now, if I were arguing the other side of it, I would point out that Michigan went through deep down years during Bielema's time in Madison, whereas during the Alvarez years, Ohio State had a year or two that were down, but the Big 2 were mostly their usual selves throughout.

Then I would counter, and say that Penn State went through some down years during the early part of the 2000s (when Alvarez was around), and MSU had some great teams during Michigan's struggles of the Bielema era.

Also, that 2008 loss to a bad Michigan team is in my pantheon of worst losses.

Whatever, now I'm just streaming babble...or you might say unconsciousness.

See what I did there? Yeah, maybe I need to get more sleep tonight. :-)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2018, 08:00:19 AM
Good points 96 wonder how many times UW played M or tOSU when they both coached.Seems in recent years Ohio St doesn't play UW nearly enough.Dump a non-conf. and make it an annual this is always a great contest to watch
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2018, 08:55:05 AM
Seems like everytime - everytime he started raking another coach,player or conference it blew up in his face then circled around and bit him in the ass.He took unwarranted shots at UW and the Big Ten that both provided a strong financial springboard to launch his career.For instance badmouthing The SEC when he was BIG,then goes SEC & badmouths the BIG.Or 2 years ago he raked tOSU about a week schedule - 3 days later Arkansas loses to a depleted Toledo team @ Home.TOSU has never lost to Toledo(knock on wood),watching him eat his words while getting panned across the SEC was priceless.He also made some idiotic statement to Bama/St Nick.At least 1-2 times a season he ate crow & humble pie.We're not talking about a young fella here he should have known better.Not really wishing him any future success either.Be nice to fail like that and be set for life
Fail like what?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
For all the praise heaped on BB for his defenses, it's kind of odd that his defenses cost him wins in 2010, 2011 and at Arky.
He seemed to rise very quickly from "Defensive head coach" to "CEO" head coach
2006 defense was very good
2007 was really not and got a DC fired
2008 was not as bad as I remember
2009 was great against the run, bad against the pass
2010 was maybe good enough, maybe not
2011 was not good enough
2012 was actually very good
Oddly when he was DC, his first defense was awesome and his second was really not good, though it played a lot of good offenses. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2018, 09:37:10 AM
Fail like what?

Arkansas finished 29-34 from 2013-17 under Bielema
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2018, 10:07:01 AM
Arkansas finished 29-34 from 2013-17 under Bielema
Exactly.
This sport is a very sub-zero-sum game. The "failure" rate of head coaches is what? 70 percent overall, maybe 80 in the power 5?
Was Bert's tenure there a failure? Sure. Was it one he could've helped all that much? Possibly, but maybe not that much. He was in a division where his program's natural state was being at best the No. 5 team, with the No. 6 team pretty close behind. He took over a tire fire. He goes .500ish after the rebuild year, granted his teams had so many close-game struggles. For three years he kept his head above water, sank for one season, and in that job, that's that. 
Is that failure? Oh yes. Does that mean he failed like THAT? I'd argue no, unless I'm misreading the tone. (Plus, the payout he's getting now is really about his UW tenure as much as anything)
(Also worth wondering, do we think Chad Morris wins 10 games more than once with Arkansas? Do we think he gets to nine wins, once every 3-4 years? That's only a few steps better than Burt. And it seems very, very far off)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 10, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Yeah, you can fail badly as CEO of a large corporation or as head coach of a P5 football team, and you know what they call you?

A multi-millionaire.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 10, 2018, 12:55:42 PM
Ain't that the truth!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2018, 04:28:54 PM
Fail like what?

If most of us conducted our professional obligations & duties with the equivalent results we'd be out on our keisters with out the financial windfall.So ya I'd like to fail that way
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
If most of us conducted our professional obligations & duties with the equivalent results we'd be out on our keisters with out the financial windfall.So ya I'd like to fail that way
See here's the thing, what does that mean?
What is the equivalent of a strong 8-5 for an engineer? What's the difference between a lawyer's 7-6 year and 4-8 year? Is there a profession any of us work in that involves the sheer number of firings because of failing to meet expectations that will never wholly be in line with what can be done? 
Let's look at another angle. Chad Morris is a 14–22 head coach. He had one winning season. He seems to have failed at Bert level. He was given $3.5 million a year for six year with incentives that match a good annual salary and if they can him, $2.45 million a year through the run of the deal.

I too want a boatload of money (here we agree). I would not at all like to be a college coach (on this we might agree). I would like my firing to elicit such a windfall, though I suppose I would've had to work really, really hard  and be very, very good to be in position where my failure earned that.

What I'm saying its, our kinds of results cannot be made equivalent to those of a college coach. They just can't. None of use is in a profession where the standard of failure was that wide ranging or the dynamics that cut throat. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 10, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
I can say with certainty that some trial lawyers who have a spotless record for a client get fired the first time they lose one and that some corporate lawyers who have a spotless record with a client get fired the first time a deal doesn't go the way a client wished for.

I would bet that's true in any consulting-type business--frankly, it's true for any vendor.

And few people make what these guys make. Very few.

And still I wouldn't trade with any of them. There's just a heck of a lot more to life than money. And for all their money, Bret and Gary both had spouses who didn't want to be in Madison, and other issues that on a day-to-day basis all that money wouldn't fix.

I'd take the money if it was offered, but wouldn't take the life. Which isn't to say that some (many?) of them probably love what they do. There's a lot of diversity in the human gene pool.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 10, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
Back in Cincy for closing on our house, ate at Blue Ash Chili, seem to be paying for it now.

Saw some friends.  Close tomorrow at 1300, took 13 days to sell house.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 11, 2018, 05:51:27 AM
The Toledo upset over the Hawgs was pretty sweet.

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottkanephotography.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-3%2Fp2046763143-3.jpg&hash=e9b168727eafb1a9641793910124ec0f)

King Barry fared a lot better against the Buckets than Bert did.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 11, 2018, 05:57:24 AM
Back in Cincy for closing on our house, ate at Blue Ash Chili, seem to be paying for it now.

Saw some friends.  Close tomorrow at 1300, took 13 days to sell house.
(https://i0.wp.com/blueashchili.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/BAC-NFW-1.jpg?fit=334%2C500)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 11, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 11, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
What I'm saying its, our kinds of results cannot be made equivalent to those of a college coach. They just can't. None of use is in a profession where the standard of failure was that wide ranging or the dynamics that cut throat.
You'll have to trust me I had a better year performance wise
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 11, 2018, 01:40:57 PM
I watched a YouTube vid of a guy doing the Blue Ash chilli challenge. The waitress was watching him like a hawk. She must have thought that he'd be stuffing jalapenos in his socks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 11, 2018, 02:03:07 PM
You'll have to trust me I had a better year performance wise
I’ll say I went 10-3, not sure if that’s with a bowl win.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 11, 2018, 02:59:36 PM
I had a mediocre year.  By Husker standards, that's a Pelini type 9-3 or 9-4 record
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 12, 2018, 12:38:28 AM
I had a mediocre year.  By Husker standards, that's a Pelini type 9-3 or 9-4 record
A Pelini type 9-3 or 9-4 means you cussed out the mail man and at least two cashiers/wait staff folks
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2018, 07:42:08 AM
2016/2017 was a 7-5 year for me, I'll admit.  I was stagnating in my role, disinterested, and looking to make a change.

In November of 2017 I did make a move within the company.  My new role is more interesting, more challenging, higher profile, more directly related to the success of the company, and just by good fortune it also pays better.  So far I'm on about a 10-2 trajectory to finish out 2018, which feels great, but it could end up even better than that.  Things are really great right now.

So, I didn't get fired at that 7-5 level, but if I turned in three or four years worth of that type of performance, I'd likely be shuffled off the team or out of the company via layoffs.  At least in my field, the "real world" isn't that different from coaching, and I'm not making $2M-$8M per year for my efforts.  Just sayin...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 12, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
2016/2017 was a 7-5 year for me, I'll admit.  I was stagnating in my role, disinterested, and looking to make a change.

In November of 2017 I did make a move within the company.  My new role is more interesting, more challenging, higher profile, more directly related to the success of the company, and just by good fortune it also pays better.  So far I'm on about a 10-2 trajectory to finish out 2018, which feels great, but it could end up even better than that.  Things are really great right now.

So, I didn't get fired at that 7-5 level, but if I turned in three or four years worth of that type of performance, I'd likely be shuffled off the team or out of the company via layoffs.  At least in my field, the "real world" isn't that different from coaching, and I'm not making $2M-$8M per year for my efforts.  Just sayin...
Heh. Still not exactly. If it was, you'd be going to a new job where in most cases, you'd be expected to go somewhere in 3-9 to 7-5. Then you'd build up. It's also not quite as zero-sum (your stagnation didn't directly, tangibly boost up everyone around you for the most part). And of course in the real world, we neither make big money, nor do we have leverage to work long-term concessions from employers. 
What we're talking about here is the feeling that a record engenders. Which is something interesting and powerful in its own right. There's some universal elements, as we can acknowledge 8-4 or 9-3 get us past certain bars of competence in most spots, but of course 10-3 to an OSU fan gets you fired, and 7-5 in Illinois will hold you for a few years.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 12, 2018, 08:31:44 AM
The Toledo upset over the Hawgs was pretty sweet.

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottkanephotography.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-3%2Fp2046763143-3.jpg&hash=e9b168727eafb1a9641793910124ec0f)

King Barry fared a lot better against the Buckets than Bert did.
Barry did. If y'all could please trade Urbs for Cooper, that could start up again. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2018, 11:17:36 AM
how many times did Bert face Urbs?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 12, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
So, I didn't get fired at that 7-5 level, but if I turned in three or four years worth of that type of performance, I'd likely be shuffled off the team or out of the company via layoffs.
Yeah, but with a big-time buyout, if you were a coach... 
Great way to say goodbye. "Sorry for the years of 7-5 performance, but you still owe me the next four years salary."
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 12, 2018, 12:55:19 PM
how many times did Bert face Urbs?
0-1
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2018, 12:58:29 PM
not much of a factor  

as I expected
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 12, 2018, 01:27:43 PM
Cooper was the only OSU coach he beat. 1-3.

0-1 against Fickell, with one of his best teams.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2018, 02:18:59 PM
so 1-5 vs the Bucks?

not good, but about as well as most
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 12, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Cooper was the only OSU coach he beat. 1-3.

0-1 against Fickell, with one of his best teams.
You mean Tress, not Cooper. 
Barry was 1-4-1 vs. Cooper, 3-1 vs Tress. He caught Tress’ two worst teams, once with one of his worst teams.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 12, 2018, 04:02:29 PM
Correct. Old Man Brain Fart.

BB never coached against Coop.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 12, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
You mean Tress, not Cooper.
Barry was 1-4-1 vs. Cooper, 3-1 vs Tress. He caught Tress’ two worst teams, once with one of his worst teams.
I was there for the win and the tie vs. Cooper. The win was with Herbstreit under center ('92). The tie ('93)...Ohio State blocked the field goal attempt as time expired. Sigh. What a game, though.

I was at the 2009 game, though it took me a while to confirm it because I remember it as a close game, but the final was 31-13. Two pick-6s and a kick off return for a touchdown made a blowout out of a game that numbers-wise Wisconsin looked pretty good in (Ohio State had 184 yards of total offense and eight first downs; Wisconsin was at 368/22, and had the ball for more than 42 minutes). Bielema's call for a fake field goal was brilliant (in the first half, when the game was still close--on a day that the kicker missed two other field goal attempts).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 12, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
Nobody ever said BB ever had good special teams play. That day was evident of this.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 13, 2018, 10:29:53 AM
Nobody ever said BB ever had good special teams play. That day was evident of this.
Dangit Badge, now I fell down a rabbit hole of advanced stats to see how good it was. 
The answer was, it was strange.
UW's specialists have been, by and large, pretty good. You've got Gilreath, Mehlhaff, Debauche, Welch, Nortman, Abbrederis, White (it got a little hairy in 12). 
I don't recall the coverage being consistently bad, and the comprehensive advanced stat that kind of tracks it shows UW was usually average and occasionally top-20. Net field position was usually solid. 
But man, when stuff went wrong, it had a habit of blowing up sideways all at once. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 13, 2018, 01:23:09 PM
There were consistent problems on special teams--particularly on coverage. I don't argue that the numbers were consistently above average, but--as with other big plays against top tier teams--the mistakes always seemed to cost the Badger big games.

The consistency with which the Badgers have lost games against helmet schools on those big plays after playing otherwise solid games is sometimes too much to bear.

Speaking of rabbit holes...

Just against Ohio State:
In the 25 seasons since I started my freshman year, Wisconsin is 6-14-1 against the Buckeyes. And this is how the misery plays out...

1993: Wisconsin is up 14-7 late in the fourth quarter--Ohio State's offense has done nothing. Then...Ohio State goes 99 yards on four passing plays to tie it, then blocks Wisconsin's 22-yard FG attempt in the waning seconds. Game ends in a 14-14 tie.
1996: down 14-10 in the 4th quarter, OSU scores the winning TD on a 48-yard passing TD (final score: 17-14).
2002: OSU wins 19-14. Scores on a 47-yard TD pass, sets up a field goal with a 48-yard pass, scores another FG after recovering a Wisconsin fumble at the WIS-32, and completes a 45-yard pass on its only other scoring drive.
2007: Game is 17-17 going into the 4th quarter; OSU scores 21 unanswered in the 4th. In the 4th, OSU has a 30-TD yard run, Wisconsin fumbles twice inside its own 30, and fails on a fake punt.  
2008: down 17-13 with 5 minutes to play, OSU's drive includes passes of 19 and 27 yards--and recovering its own fumble--to score the winning touchdown with 1:08 to play.
2009: as noted, two pick-6s and a kickoff return for a touchdown on a day the Badger defense played brilliantly.
2011: Braxton Miller runs around the pocket for a while then heaves a bomb downfield. Beats the best offensive team Wisconsin has ever had (this was the same year Michigan State beat the Badgers on the prayer chucked downfield).
2012: Ohio State scores on a 68-yard punt return; has 236 total yard of offense to the Badgers' 360. OSU wins in OT.
2013: in this one Wisconsin's comeback bid came up short, but...OSU threw for three touchdowns of over 25 yards or more (25, 26, 40). OSU by 7.
2016: down 23-20 in the waning minutes of the 4th quarter, Barrett completes a 43-yard pass to put OSU in field goal range. OSU wins in OT.
2017 BTCG: OSU scores on 57- and 84-yard touchdown passes, and a 77-yard run set up a third (1st down from the 1); a 53-yard run sets up a field goal. Ohio State's only sustained drive without a play of over 50 yards that resulted in points got the Buckeyes a field goal. And Wisconsin threw a pick (on first down) at the OSU 4. OSU wins by 6.

Nonetheless, the fake FG worked at a time when it was needed in that 2009 game. And yeah, there was the Gilreath return that started that 2010 win--the last one.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 13, 2018, 02:07:49 PM
Barry did. If y'all could please trade Urbs for Cooper, that could start up again.
King Barry fared a lot better vs Jim Tressel than Bert did.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 13, 2018, 02:33:31 PM
WTF Rutgers?

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2018/07/rutgers_players_under_investigation.html

More good news from the State University of New Jersey.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 13, 2018, 03:20:53 PM
There were consistent problems on special teams--particularly on coverage. I don't argue that the numbers were consistently above average, but--as with other big plays against top tier teams--the mistakes always seemed to cost the Badger big games.

The consistency with which the Badgers have lost games against helmet schools on those big plays after playing otherwise solid games is sometimes too much to bear.

Speaking of rabbit holes...

Just against Ohio State:
In the 25 seasons since I started my freshman year, Wisconsin is 6-14-1 against the Buckeyes. And this is how the misery plays out...

1993: Wisconsin is up 14-7 late in the fourth quarter--Ohio State's offense has done nothing. Then...Ohio State goes 99 yards on four passing plays to tie it, then blocks Wisconsin's 22-yard FG attempt in the waning seconds. Game ends in a 14-14 tie.
1996: down 14-10 in the 4th quarter, OSU scores the winning TD on a 48-yard passing TD (final score: 17-14).
2002: OSU wins 19-14. Scores on a 47-yard TD pass, sets up a field goal with a 48-yard pass, scores another FG after recovering a Wisconsin fumble at the WIS-32, and completes a 45-yard pass on its only other scoring drive.
2007: Game is 17-17 going into the 4th quarter; OSU scores 21 unanswered in the 4th. In the 4th, OSU has a 30-TD yard run, Wisconsin fumbles twice inside its own 30, and fails on a fake punt.  
2008: down 17-13 with 5 minutes to play, OSU's drive includes passes of 19 and 27 yards--and recovering its own fumble--to score the winning touchdown with 1:08 to play.
2009: as noted, two pick-6s and a kickoff return for a touchdown on a day the Badger defense played brilliantly.
2011: Braxton Miller runs around the pocket for a while then heaves a bomb downfield. Beats the best offensive team Wisconsin has ever had (this was the same year Michigan State beat the Badgers on the prayer chucked downfield).
2012: Ohio State scores on a 68-yard punt return; has 236 total yard of offense to the Badgers' 360. OSU wins in OT.
2013: in this one Wisconsin's comeback bid came up short, but...OSU threw for three touchdowns of over 25 yards or more (25, 26, 40). OSU by 7.
2016: down 23-20 in the waning minutes of the 4th quarter, Barrett completes a 43-yard pass to put OSU in field goal range. OSU wins in OT.
2017 BTCG: OSU scores on 57- and 84-yard touchdown passes, and a 77-yard run set up a third (1st down from the 1); a 53-yard run sets up a field goal. Ohio State's only sustained drive without a play of over 50 yards that resulted in points got the Buckeyes a field goal. And Wisconsin threw a pick (on first down) at the OSU 4. OSU wins by 6.

Nonetheless, the fake FG worked at a time when it was needed in that 2009 game. And yeah, there was the Gilreath return that started that 2010 win--the last one.
The 2011 and 2012 games were two of the dumbest games I’ve watched. I rewatched them a bit ago, and just wow. (2011 OSU and MSU also fits that discription. 
At some point I’ll rally together the overall ST numbers. They seem to be sort of noisy, but I guess that’s expected. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 13, 2018, 03:54:51 PM
1993: Wisconsin is up 14-7 late in the fourth quarter--Ohio State's offense has done nothing. Then...Ohio State goes 99 yards on four passing plays to tie it, then blocks Wisconsin's 22-yard FG attempt in the waning seconds. Game ends in a 14-14 tie.

My memory of this game was that Barry botched some clock management during that final drive, which ultimately led to the blocked FGA.   I'd like to see that final drive sequence.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 13, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
Perhaps this belongs in the I hate it thread on XII, but why are people exiting a car wash while riding the brakes?  The extra two seconds near the drying vaccuum isn't worth it if I hit your car.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 13, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
Nobody ever said BB ever had good special teams play. That day was evident of this.
Plenty of people said that when he outfoxed JoePa.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 14, 2018, 01:23:51 AM
1993: Wisconsin is up 14-7 late in the fourth quarter--Ohio State's offense has done nothing. Then...Ohio State goes 99 yards on four passing plays to tie it, then blocks Wisconsin's 22-yard FG attempt in the waning seconds. Game ends in a 14-14 tie.

My memory of this game was that Barry botched some clock management during that final drive, which ultimately led to the blocked FGA.   I'd like to see that final drive sequence.

The game is on YouTube thanks to the FSU guy who has done the grunt work.  I was right.   UW has 3 timeouts, and after a 3rd and 10 conversion by Brent Moss to inside 30 yard line, with 40 some seconds  Alvarez lets the clock run, they run the fullback to the 15 yd line and then use only 1 timeout with seven seconds.  32 yd fga is blocked from an outside gunner.  The walk on hockey player was hardly some lock from any distance.  I felt UW could've done better than that.  Ohio st. Also had 3 time outs.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 14, 2018, 09:07:04 AM
The game is on YouTube thanks to the FSU guy who has done the grunt work.  I was right.   UW has 3 timeouts, and after a 3rd and 10 conversion by Brent Moss to inside 30 yard line, with 40 some seconds  Alvarez lets the clock run, they run the fullback to the 15 yd line and then use only 1 timeout with seven seconds.  32 yd fga is blocked from an outside gunner.  The walk on hockey player was hardly some lock from any distance.  I felt UW could've done better than that.  Ohio st. Also had 3 time outs.
Not sure if it’s bad clock management or Barry being Barry. He was conservative even by coaching standards. 
The drive before was interesting, Galloway catches three of four passes. He’s matched up against a CB whose name I couldn’t quickly find and kills him twice. (The first pass looks like just a tight window shot) Granted, at least three of the passes are pretty perfect.  It sure what UW’s safeties got caught in on the TD. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 17, 2018, 11:43:22 AM
College football's 10 potential upsets in September

https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/College-footballs-10-potential-upsets-in-September-119862790/#119862790_1 (https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/College-footballs-10-potential-upsets-in-September-119862790/#119862790_1)


5) NEBRASKA AT MICHIGAN, SEPT. 22

4) WISCONSIN AT IOWA, SEPT 22

2) TCU VS. OHIO STATE, SEPT. 15
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hoss on July 17, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
There is no way on earth that we are going into Ann Arbor with our shitty OL and a quarterback reeking of new-car-smell, and beating Michigan. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 17, 2018, 02:00:41 PM
agreed, wholeheartedly
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on July 17, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
I approve the motion... 

no way UNL wins in AA
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 17, 2018, 02:47:33 PM
sure hope the knowledgeable Husker fans are WRONG
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 17, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
If you think that's far fetched, you haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in AA the last dozen years.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 17, 2018, 03:37:26 PM
well, a few of these writers haven't been paying attention to the O-line play in Lincoln
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 19, 2018, 04:53:45 PM
ESPN sets their announcing pairings for this season, including the fortunate return of Sean McDonough, and the also fortunate departure of Joe Tessitore

Game/NetworkCommentators
ABC Saturday Night FootballChris Fowler, Kirk Herbstreit, Maria Taylor
ESPN Saturday Night PrimetimeSean McDonough, Todd Blackledge, Holly Rowe
ESPN or ABC SaturdaySteve Levy, Brian Griese, Todd McShay
ESPN or ABC SaturdayDave Pasch, Greg McElroy, Tom Luginbill
ESPN or ABC SaturdayBob Wischusen, Brock Huard, Allison Williams
ESPN or ABC SaturdayAdam Amin, Rod Gilmore, Quint Kessenich
ESPN or ABC SaturdayMark Jones, Dusty Dvoracek, Molly McGrath
ESPN or ABC SaturdayBeth Mowins, Anthony Becht, Rocky Boiman
ESPN ThursdayDave Flemming, TBD, Laura Rutledge
ESPN or ESPN2 FridayJason Benetti, Kelly Stouffer, Olivia Harlan
ESPN or ESPN2 Friday/SaturdayClay Matvick, Dan Orlovsky, Paul Carcaterra
ESPN or ESPN2 SaturdayAnish Shroff, Ahmad Brooks, Roddy Jones
ESPNU SaturdayKevin Brown, Andre Ware
ESPNU SaturdayMike Corey, Rene Ingoglia
ESPNU SaturdayMike Couzens, Kirk Morrison
ESPNU SaturdayRoy Philpott, Tom Ramsey
ESPNU Thursday – HBCUTiffany Greene, Jay Walker
All NetworksMark Neely, Ray Bentley
All NetworksDave Lamont, John Congemi
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 19, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
Beth Mowins. Ugh.

I'm glad UW hasn't had to play at her level lately.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 19, 2018, 05:35:50 PM
Beth Mowins. Ugh.

I'm glad UW hasn't had to play at her level lately.
She's all over the place now.  Really she can do any ABC/ESPN 3:30 game, so Wisconsin isn't "above" her anymore.  The days of her getting the NOON espn2 game (which was always the #4 pick under the old ABC/ESPN deal) are over. She's actually doing the early half of the season opening MNF doubleheader with Griese.  Lions-Jets.  Should be GREAT!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 19, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
WTF are they thinking. Bad water in Bristol or what?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 19, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
Went out to Stone Mountain today.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 19, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
Elaborate please. Stone Mountain where? They are all stone.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 19, 2018, 08:50:19 PM
The Confederate Mt Rushmore?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 19, 2018, 09:41:44 PM
THE Stone Mountain.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 19, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 19, 2018, 10:02:19 PM
I remember seeing a light show at Stone Mountain as a kid.   Was pretty cool.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 19, 2018, 11:37:45 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Stone_Mountain_Carving_2.jpg/1280px-Stone_Mountain_Carving_2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2018, 03:31:57 AM
I went to Stone Mtn not knowing about the carving monument, I just thought it was a giant, one-stone 'mountain'.  It felt icky, seeing it.  I know that's the snowflake response, but I was in my late teens, and that was my genuine reaction to it.  

The news bitches over such impermanent things like rebel flags and minor statues...and yet the massive, permanence of the leaders of the confederacy on Stone Mtn never gets a mention.  Odd.

I predict if my family was black, that might not be a spot we'd visit.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2018, 03:46:17 AM
I love when Sean McDonough's voice breaks during a big play, lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 20, 2018, 07:56:52 AM
isn't most of the "stone" underground? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2018, 08:15:54 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain

I cannot believe this is the first I've ever heard of this!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 20, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
(https://www.accessatlanta.com/rf/image_lowres/Pub/p7/AccessAtlanta/2016/11/17/Images/photos.medleyphoto.12183100.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 20, 2018, 11:29:25 AM
I've never heard of Stone Mountain either.  Had no idea. Not sure I'd feel "icky" if i saw it, but it's highly unlikely I'd ever go to visit it.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 20, 2018, 11:38:01 AM
I've no problem with Stone Mountain or the confederate flag.

But, I don't see either of them as a symbol of slavery.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 20, 2018, 11:53:33 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/10/9b/d8/109bd8c6c3060a5199fa5acbe0edc16d--georgia-usa-atlanta-georgia.jpg)

(https://media.fox5atlanta.com/media.fox5atlanta.com/photo/2015/10/13/Stone_Mountain_MLK_Memorial_0_352880_ver1.0_640_360.jpg)

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slipperyrockgazette.net%2Fimage%2F09_2012_images%2Ffeat-1.jpg&hash=8f7ac0d79e11ce669b2fba03bcb8fdba)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on July 20, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
(https://i.redd.it/klr2041prxa11.jpg)

Took this pic at work the other day, thought it was pretty neat.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 20, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
that's more than neat... that's pure bad ass.. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2018, 12:50:14 PM
Yeah, where is that taken?

Also DF - I'm curious. Is there some sort of national certification for being in the foul zone or on tracks? My surveyors could use that if available.

I'm certified by one RR company in Washington State, but that's it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on July 20, 2018, 01:03:54 PM
Pic was taken pretty much middle of nowhere in West/central Arizona. 

And Badge as far as I know there isn't, but if your surveyors need to foul some railroad tracks to do their job I'd suggest contacting the RR at least a week in advance, letting them know exactly where/when/why you need to foul, and they can possibly arrange a window for you to allow your surveyors access without rail traffic or limiting it. 

I know sometimes when utility companies need to work on power lines over RR tracks they can get these windows, same with the city/state/county when they need to do maintenance/construction on a bridge/overpass over the tracks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
There were a lot of black folks at the park.  The NAACP protests the carving at times.  It is a large carving.

There is a nice golf course in the park and a nice view from the top, but it was hazy yesterday.  There was a group of Japanese in suits out there headed up the mountain on the tram thing.  Sky lift?

Parts of the Olympics were held out there.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2018, 04:29:15 PM
Pic was taken pretty much middle of nowhere in West/central Arizona.

And Badge as far as I know there isn't, but if your surveyors need to foul some railroad tracks to do their job I'd suggest contacting the RR at least a week in advance, letting them know exactly where/when/why you need to foul, and they can possibly arrange a window for you to allow your surveyors access without rail traffic or limiting it.

I know sometimes when utility companies need to work on power lines over RR tracks they can get these windows, same with the city/state/county when they need to do maintenance/construction on a bridge/overpass over the tracks.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 20, 2018, 10:01:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/klr2041prxa11.jpg)

Took this pic at work the other day, thought it was pretty neat.
do you know the purpose of the steel fence post?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 21, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
Mileage sign?  No left turn sign?  Signal ahead?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 21, 2018, 03:05:35 PM
"road narrows" 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on July 21, 2018, 03:13:23 PM
do you know the purpose of the steel fence post?
I'll double check next time I take a train by that location but I'm pretty sure it's opposite a mile post. Sometimes they'll put a mile post on one side of the tracks and a bare post on the opposite side.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 21, 2018, 08:17:41 PM
sounds reasonable, did see any signage on it and it looks a bit close to the track
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 21, 2018, 08:40:20 PM
I've no problem with Stone Mountain or the confederate flag.

But, I don't see either of them as a symbol of slavery.
I can't helo but find the whole building up of those folks odd.
Just some participation trophies for folks that wanted to destroy the US. (The actual reason for their existence is more complex, obviously)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 21, 2018, 11:09:13 PM
I certainly don't know nearly as much as some regarding the confederacy, but I didn't think it was about destroying the United States
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2018, 05:26:24 PM
It was meant to change it drastically of course.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
I certainly don't know nearly as much as some regarding the confederacy, but I didn't think it was about destroying the United States
If the confederacy had won, we'd still have slaves today.  How bout that?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 07:43:31 PM
I've no problem with Stone Mountain or the confederate flag.

But, I don't see either of them as a symbol of slavery.
From the link:
 "In 1941 segregationist Governor Eugene Talmadge (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Talmadge) formed the Stone Mountain Memorial Association (SMMA) to continue work on the memorial, but the project was delayed once again by the U.S. entry into World War II (1941–45).[14] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain#cite_note-Encycl-14)
In response to Brown v. Board of Education (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education) of 1954, and the birth of the Civil Rights Movement (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Movement), in 1958, at the urging of segregationist Governor Marvin Griffin (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Griffin),[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain#cite_note-McKinney-5):21 the Georgia legislature approved a measure to purchase Stone Mountain at a price of $1,125,000. In 1963, Walker Hancock (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Hancock) was selected to complete the carving, and work began in 1964."

I'm sure they just happened to be segregationists, and that had nothing to do with it, right?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 07:46:21 PM
On a lighter note, the wiki says Stonewall Jackson's horse was named "Lil Sorrel."  Now stay with me here - also in the carving was the Confederacy president, Jefferson Davis.  On the TV show "Dukes of Hazzard", the scheming villain is named J.D. Hogg - Jefferson Davis Hogg.  And he was played by actor Sorrell Booke.  Sorrel - Sorrell !!!  Reruns of the Dukes of Hazzard are mostly gone now due to the prominent rebel flag painted on its roof.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
maybe correct, we will never know for sure

I'm sure there's been ample speculation of how the the world would have evolved if the South would have won.

I haven't dug deeply, but there doesn't seem to be much of an opinion that the 7 states that succeeded were motivated to destroy the United States.  More of simply secession to avoid the abolishment of slavery.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 07:55:38 PM


I'm sure they just happened to be segregationists, and that had nothing to do with it, right?
segregation and slavery obviously can be linked, but they are different things
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 08:00:31 PM
so, if the confederate flag is a symbol of slavery

what single thing does the stars and stripes symbolize?

I'd guess different things for different folks

I watched cousins Bo and Luke Duke drive the General Lee almost every week, mostly looking for Daisy Duke (Catherine Bach)

I don't remember many references to slavery, but I was young and the world was a very different place in 1979.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
The sunset on slavery was already implemented and joining Bigfoot and Hoffa... And it was adopted by the southern states, not the federal government.  

There is always a cry by governments to emotionally incite, and in effort to justify their wants... It was slavery in this regard.  The strife was about taxation of ports, which the south had in an abundance at the time but fallimg on one primary industry, and an industry that relied on human trafficking to support the owners bottom line.... 

In one sense southerners are right... The war was absolutely about states rights over a centralized federal government filling their selfish needs... It was also about slavery and breaking up what amounted to a caste system in the south.  It was always, no matter how you slice it, about greed from the core players on all sides.  

Its baffling to believe people owned people in this country or anywhere, actually... Its hard to believe the systematic and well worn, passed down from generation to next mental gymnastics employed to believe one race is superior to another... Its just dumbfounding to consider such a thing, no?   Greed is a disease.  

Ignoring the past is a damn good way to replay.  The nature of man doesnt change.  These monuments and these symbols we encounter are a reminder and should never budge imHo.. Revisionist history needs to stop. Our past aint pretty.  The only way to make our future better is to remember mistakes bygone .

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 22, 2018, 08:03:02 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l4GlztVGlJs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
My great uncle, who lived most his life in piedmont of nc, passed in 87 at 102 years old. 

He knew former slaves.  He worked on farms and in mill industry with direct descendants of slaves.  I wish id have listened to him more.  

He spoke that segregation was far more economic than racial.  That whites and blacks didnt mix much in social settings, but there was little animosity between them from his perspective.  However, across the tracks where the upper class lived there was great hate for the poor, and especially the black poor.  It makes you think the entire segregation thing, being told by a person who was actually there and/or knew people who were still alive after fighting in that war and the fallout afterward, has been totlally misrepresented by people who stand to profit off pf it... In 87 he said racism was worse than he'd ever seen it.  I wonder what he'd think now?  I know he'd be sad.

Point is... It seems so very long ago these things happened.  Its really not.  Ypur grandparents or great grandparents stand a hige chance, if you're from the South for that far back, of having similar experiences.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
segregation and slavery obviously can be linked, but they are different things
Of course they're different things, but those last hangers-on in favor of segregation were wrong, just as slave-owners were wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
so, if the confederate flag is a symbol of slavery

what single thing does the stars and stripes symbolize?

I'd guess different things for different folks

I watched cousins Bo and Luke Duke drive the General Lee almost every week, mostly looking for Daisy Duke (Catherine Bach)

I don't remember many references to slavery, but I was young and the world was a very different place in 1979.
I loved the Dukes of Hazzard, and the whole thing about the rebel flag on the car is dumb.  It's the left going too far, as they've been guilty of a lot lately.  The show was campy and harmless.  If two young southerners named their car the General Lee, what the hell flag are they supposed to have on it??  
But a fictional, campy show is one thing.  A carved-into-stone permanent, public celebration of the leaders of the confederacy is very different.  I didn't plan to feel icky when I saw it.  I didn't know about it, so I had a sudden, honest reaction from within, and it was very negative.  However, while my parents grew up very southern, I am not.  I grew up in various urban areas of Florida.  No accent, no pride for "the south".  
I liked the show because the car in it could jump over anything - not because it was 'southern' or anything like that.  Looking back, they would occasionally have some 'pride of 'the south" moments in it, but it was always light and passing.  There wasn't anything deep, because that's not what the show was.  
Stone Mountain is a unique place to visit just based on the geology - like the Grand Canyon or the caverns in NM or whatever.  But pro-'the south' segregationists decided to carve 3 people into the side of the mountain - 3 guys who were technically traitors and attacked the U.S.  Just by that angle, it's odd.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 09:26:53 PM

Stone Mountain is a unique place to visit just based on the geology - like the Grand Canyon or the caverns in NM or whatever.  But pro-'the south' segregationists decided to carve 3 people into the side of the mountain - 3 guys who were technically traitors and attacked the U.S.  Just by that angle, it's odd.  
similar to the Crazy Horse Memorial?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 09:47:10 PM
Sure, that's completely parallel.  Please tell me you're messing with me.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
not completely, but a sovereign nation that attacked the US

and I've been told some American Indians also had slaves

why not  use the symbol of a peaceful chief? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 22, 2018, 10:11:08 PM
Funny that the SEC guy is the only one that's railing on the old south. On a Big Ten Board, no less. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 22, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
Paging CWS....
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 10:56:51 PM
not completely, but a sovereign nation that attacked the US
1- you're ignoring the "why" behind the south and Crazy Horse's attacks
and I've been told some American Indians also had slaves
2 - "I've been told" isn't a valid source
why not  use the symbol of a peaceful chief?
3 - feaux respect for one of the victimized population that took what was forced upon them
Let's count the FoxNews tactics...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2018, 10:56:56 PM
The person who owned the most slaves in my current area, and it was more than twice that of the second place prick, was.... Wait for it... A black dude. 

He lived up around new been nc.  Wiki that guy.  If aliens consult our written history, its no wonder we havent met any. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 10:58:01 PM
Funny that the SEC guy is the only one that's railing on the old south. On a Big Ten Board, no less.
When it comes to stuff like this, age has as much to do with opinions as where you grew up.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 10:58:57 PM
The person who owned the most slaves in my current area, and it was more than twice that of the second place prick, was.... Wait for it... A black dude.

He lived up around new been nc.  Wiki that guy.  If aliens consult our written history, its no wonder we havent met any.
4 - cite individual anecdotal exceptions, while ignoring the vast majority 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2018, 11:05:31 PM
Sorry @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , facts are facts whether you like them or not.... Deflecting to character on a completely different subject is the most common logical fallacy... 

Best I can tell this line of discussion is civil thus far.... Thats good.. Id hate to see it moved to area 51... You really REALLY dont want to get those guys spun up on this subject... Ive seen threads on the old site go hundreds of posts before disappearing.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
you're ignoring the "why" behind the south and Crazy Horse's attacks.........


Crazy Horse took up arms against the United States federal government to fight against encroachment by white American settlers on Indian territory and to preserve the traditional way of life of the Lakota people.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 11:18:02 PM
And what would happen with his inaction?  What would the outcome be if he did nothing?

vs

What would happen with the south's inaction?  What would the outcome be if they didn't secede or go to war?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 11:19:12 PM
Sorry @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , facts are facts whether you like them or not.... Deflecting to character on a completely different subject is the most common logical fallacy...

Best I can tell this line of discussion is civil thus far.... Thats good.. Id hate to see it moved to area 51... You really REALLY dont want to get those guys spun up on this subject... Ive seen threads on the old site go hundreds of posts before disappearing.  
Yes, facts are facts.  I didn't suggest otherwise.  But when you cite the 1 example that is counter to the next 99 examples, you're being dishonest in the conversation.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
the traditional way of life would have been altered
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2018, 11:20:44 PM
Yes, facts are facts.  I didn't suggest otherwise.  But when you cite the 1 example that is counter to the next 99 examples, you're being dishonest in the conversation.  
perhaps he's simply making a comment or statement, not arguing otherwise
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 11:21:13 PM
the traditional way of life would have been altered
C'mon, you can do it.  Let's be more honest.  I guess death can be described as altered life.....but put down your word salad and just come out and say it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2018, 11:33:23 PM
I guess the point I'm flirting with without saying is the south was "officially" motivated by population base of north pushing them around via federal rulings targeting them, while the north offically struck sentiment with abolishing slavery... Both were dishonest.  

The south had already passed laws to sunset slavery.  The north was only impacting the rich folks in the south.  

If you compare, if you can, to the European front of the second world war,  and consider the German aggression that spawned it, you've got to figure that there was something that incited the German people... Some "call to arms" that is based on emotion but is wildly dishonest to tje actual catalysts.  Something motivated millions of people, who by simple odds cant all be bad, to kill each other.

Its like a massive on a scale unimaginable bar fight.  One side wants to explain to the authorities in the aftermath how "right" they were and how terrible their opponent is, when quite simply both sides are wrong.  Or when one side thinks theyre just SO Damn right it justifies horrific acts on the other to justify getting even quicker or something.  

It aint black and white near as much as you or me or anyone wants it to be...

Those people in Wyoming lost a lot, whether they were right wrong or indifferent... Same for folks in the south and in the north a decade prior to American Indian wars.  

And its all about greed more often than it isn't.  

I like to live in my comfortable view, but.... If a person honestly takes a while to write in opposition to their views and in support of their opposition, that person can start to see their position.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 22, 2018, 11:52:27 PM
On FearlessF:
Comparing southern leaders not wanting to continue to be pushed around with the near certainty of the imprisonment, death, or even extinction of his people of Crazy Horse is absurd.  We all know it is.  And yet the pairing is made, either ignorantly or dishonestly, here.  


It's things like this which makes conversations about such things dive straight into the gutter.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 07:40:20 AM
The Chicago to Mac race was (still going actually) held this past weekend. 


Strong North winds don't do sailboat operators many favors when they are trying to go.. North. There were pretty high and tight waves too - 6-8 feet.


One boater is missing. He went to change up a sail and was swept off the boat when one of those high waves hit. His life jacket was designed to inflate upon hitting water, but it did not.


Rescuers are still looking, calling it a rescue mission even still. He went over at about 3PM Saturday and the waves have not let up. Not sure how much longer this will be called a rescue.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2018, 07:49:05 AM
That's tough, hoping the best for him.

Mother Nature has her way of putting us in our place. no doubt.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 23, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
I certainly don't know nearly as much as some regarding the confederacy, but I didn't think it was about destroying the United States
I don’t mean they wanted to conquer the whole thing, but I’m saying destroy it as the continuous unified country it was and is. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 09:09:06 AM
That's tough, hoping the best for him.

Mother Nature has her way of putting us in our place. no doubt.  
There are a whole lot of people out there that simply do not understand that Lake Michigan is the BOSS.
You don't mess with it, yet people do it all the time.
That Lake has the most non-war time wrecks of any water body in the world.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 23, 2018, 09:11:57 AM
There are a whole lot of people out there that simply do not understand that Lake Michigan is the BOSS.
You don't mess with it, yet people do it all the time.
That Lake has the most non-war time wrecks of any water body in the world.
They see "Lake" and don't give it the respect it deserves.  You don't have to get as far out as you'd think in those things for it to get nasty in a hurry.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 09:18:30 AM
I consider it (and the rest of them) to be an unsalted inland sea.

Another thing people don't understand about fresh water is that it's much less buoyant than salt water can be. It's also cold. Rarely does the temperature get above 75 on the West side, along shore even.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 23, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
the maker of my boat has a forum i frequent, and the majority of the owners are great lake boaters.  i rarely leave the sound, but have gone offshore a few times on nice days.. i once took my jetskiis 15 miles offshore.... jetskiis can handle big seas, though.  helluva workout is all... 

i thought i'd seen some rough water... then, a few of the guys were taking pics of and filming rough waters on the big lakes from the vantage of their docks and with reference of points and markers, and i was flabbergasted... it isn't the height of the waves- though they easily rival the seas i've seen... it's the frequency of the waves.. 12~15' swells is one thing when they're 100' apart... they're something else entirely when they're 30' apart... y'all can keep those lakes... 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 09:32:23 AM
Good supply of drinking water.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on July 23, 2018, 10:42:06 AM
the maker of my boat has a forum i frequent, and the majority of the owners are great lake boaters.  i rarely leave the sound, but have gone offshore a few times on nice days.. i once took my jetskiis 15 miles offshore.... jetskiis can handle big seas, though.  helluva workout is all...

i thought i'd seen some rough water... then, a few of the guys were taking pics of and filming rough waters on the big lakes from the vantage of their docks and with reference of points and markers, and i was flabbergasted... it isn't the height of the waves- though they easily rival the seas i've seen... it's the frequency of the waves.. 12~15' swells is one thing when they're 100' apart... they're something else entirely when they're 30' apart... y'all can keep those lakes...
Lake Erie is so relatively shallow that when a storm comes up it is amazing how fast and high the waves come. I remember having a 25' boat out off the bass islands fishing and didn't notice a storm coming in off the Canadian shelf. When we finally noticed we pulled up anchor and hightailed it back to put-in-bay. Let me tell you, it got quite scary. We were broadsided a couple of time by some big waves, not fun. Was quite happy when we got to the dock.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 23, 2018, 10:46:08 AM
We were up in Glen Arbor once, and they had to close the beach because of how big the waves were there, and that's a little more sheltered there on the bay.  Our waitress at the restaurant that night said she had lived in the area 50+ years and had never seen waves like that.  I was probably 11 or 12, and in retrospect, I'm not sure how my parents let the 4 of us keep playing in that up until it closed.  Trying to keep an eye on four kids between the ages of 3-12 in that mess would give me heart palpitations.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
I've been in 20's off the West coast of Kauai for fishing.

I'd much rather have that than 6's on Lake Michigan, and it's not close.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 02:16:21 PM
The person who owned the most slaves in my current area, and it was more than twice that of the second place prick, was.... Wait for it... A black dude.

He lived up around new been nc.  Wiki that guy.  If aliens consult our written history, its no wonder we havent met any.
How many white slaves did he own?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 02:35:29 PM

How many times has fro tried to derail this thread with politics? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 03:00:05 PM
How many times has fro tried to derail this thread with politics?
Your first two posts on Stone Mountain, before OAM had responded at all:

The Confederate Mt Rushmore?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Stone_Mountain_Carving_2.jpg/1280px-Stone_Mountain_Carving_2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 03:03:56 PM
Getting close to a lock here, methinks. ELA or Drew make that call.

That would be a shame, if true.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 03:05:23 PM
Your first two posts on Stone Mountain, before OAM had responded at all:

Those posts weren't political, at least in my view. However, the discussion seems to have gone too far and should probably end.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 23, 2018, 03:11:44 PM
Yeah, I feel like we can all move on without resorting to a lock...hopefully?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 23, 2018, 03:13:13 PM


How many white slaves did he own?

if you're expecting me to even attempt to justify any person who thinks enough of themselves to own another, no matter what color, nationality, religion, or football team they support you're off track.  the entire prospect is disgusting.  

Getting close to a lock here, methinks. ELA or Drew make that call.

That would be a shame, if true.
i like to think this particular corner of the site is reasonable people and this may be genuine curiosity rather than conflict, and is why i appreciate you guys as much as i do... 

it's not like any of us have or had a dog in the fight.  

as far as statues or monuments are concerned, it has to be said that people lost their loved ones on all sides of every armed conflict, and how they remember them- so long as it doesn't perpetuate the resentment- is kinda up to them.  i'm guessing the prior sentence to be true. I hope that is what it is.  

we're beyond that, i hope, and here is a chance to prove it... 

for those reading what i've contributed in quiet protest: please realize i respect and regard each of you no matter if our opinion differs- we're a close group of fans, insofar as interwebz can create such a thing.  i got y'alls back no matter what (insofar as this place is concerned)... 

I think we should continue, but likely alter the subject? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
Those posts weren't political, at least in my view. However, the discussion seems to have gone too far and should probably end.
I'm done

I was merely pointing out that there are other examples of monuments

wasn't defending the past or taking a side
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 03:49:44 PM
if you're expecting me to even attempt to justify any person who thinks enough of themselves to own another, no matter what color, nationality, religion, or football team they support you're off track.  the entire prospect is disgusting. 
No, not expecting you to justify it. 
But I think your story was somewhat of a deflection due to the fact that slavery was not ONLY a white phenomenon. There was a symmetry whereas rich people of all races could own slaves, and there were deplorable people of all races who would choose to do so. 
However, there's also an asymmetry. While both whites and blacks could OWN slaves, there was no disagreement over who those slaves would be... And it wasn't whites. While I'm sure there were plenty of deplorable southern whites [and blacks] who would have owned white slaves if it had been possible, that never even seemed to come up. 
Whites aren't excused from being slaveowners just because blacks did it to. And the fact that black slaveowners existed doesn't reduce the level of damage--lingering generations down the road--that slavery and segregation did to those slaves and their descendents. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 03:51:29 PM
i like to think this particular corner of the site is reasonable people and this may be genuine curiosity rather than conflict, and is why i appreciate you guys as much as i do...
Agreed.
We've successfully stayed on the right side of the line when discussing "political" topics like global warming in the, maintaining respect and civility. This isn't Area 51.
I don't see any reason to think we can't continue to be as respectful and civil as we always have done.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 03:55:36 PM
Your first two posts on Stone Mountain, before OAM had responded at all:

How are those political? 
It is indeed the Confederate Mt Rushmore. It was even carved by the same guy, iirc. And one of those posts, the second one for those who are counting, was a mere visual aide.
I have a sister in law that lives in Atlanta GA. She is even farther to the left politically than Kathy Griffin. She will enthusiastically boycott any business that even looks at an African American funny. Yet even she takes her kids, one of which was adopted directly from Ethiopia, to Stone Mountain. 
It's a kids' paradise. They love all the rides and the laser show. 

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Getting close to a lock here, methinks. ELA or Drew make that call.

That would be a shame, if true.
Wouldn't it be easier to simply ban the guy that refuses to adhere to the rule prohibiting politics on the Big Ten board, instead of locking every thread that he craps upon? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 04:21:21 PM
I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing?

I just think the sub-topic has gone too far, and I can tell you that it is in no way something I envisioned popping up when I created the thread back in January.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 04:29:15 PM
There are still a crapload of boats on the water, trying to make it to Mackinac. 

Screw that noise. Gimme my twin screws and 700 HP any time over that sailing bulljive.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
Fair enough. 

From my view in the cheap seats, it seems like it's always the same poster that is constantly inserting unprovoked references to "Fox News" or whatever, seemingly for no purpose beyond stirring up a little politically themed board drama for his own amusement.

But then again, what do I know. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2018, 04:47:44 PM
So, today we visited the sales office of a new condo building about to be built near us called no. 2 Opus.  There is no No. 1.  The units run about half a mil for an efficiency to, well, many mil.  She said some units were a grand a square foot.  I wish ours was, ha.  The place looks nice, 53 floors.

The we had lunch and visited the Federal Reserve Building museum, which is pretty well done, and they give you money when you leave.

It is a nice day today.  We spent a couple hours at the pool, not too hot, had lunch outside at a place called Bulla Gastropub.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2018, 04:49:13 PM
http://opusplaceatlanta.com

In case anyone is interested.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
I look at all the construction going on and begin to worry if this is a bubble.  Nah.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 05:09:27 PM
Right next to my office there is a luxury high-rise condo development that just makes no sense (http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/condo-mania-irvine-beware-mello-roos-amassive-hoa-fees-in-irvine-does-an-840-monthly-hoa-due-seem-high-for-a-2-bedroom-condo/) for Irvine. In fact, during the housing bust, things got so bad that they were known as the North Korea towers---because there were no lights on at night. 

And as that link points out, the luxury condo living lifestyle seems cool until you get your HOA bill. 

I think there are people who think that these waves of millenials will just be ACHING to live in high-rise towers with everyone else, just like in NYC! And then they put them places where it makes no sense whatsoever...

Which isn't to say that Atlanta is that case, but I wonder if they're somewhat going too far. I'm not sure even Midtown is dense enough to justify this. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 05:09:52 PM
http://opusplaceatlanta.com

In case anyone is interested.
Trump's going to have to do much better for my 401K to peak my interest
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 05:20:18 PM
Fair enough.

From my view in the cheap seats, it seems like it's always the same poster that is constantly inserting unprovoked references to "Fox News" or whatever, seemingly for no purpose beyond stirring up a little politically themed board drama for his own amusement.

But then again, what do I know.
I did note the Fox reference. None of the media outlets are any good these days. CNN is the worst by far though. It's pretty hard to find anything these days that is just plain news, without the editorialization. It's bullshit.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
I don't watch the national news any longer

rarely watch the local news

never thought I would as a kid, then was interested as an adult, can't stomach the crap any longer

I'll just stick my head in the sand and hope for the best - less stress
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
I look at all the construction going on and begin to worry if this is a bubble.  Nah.
I wouldn't worry if I were you. Me, on the other hand, I do worry.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 05:51:32 PM
Yeah, I don't care if he likes this news or that news. Each to their own.

But we have an off topic board and a non-moderated board where such discussion not only belongs, but is encouraged. 

Instead, he is constantly trying to steer the Big Ten board into some sorta political direction, for some mystifying reason. 

A temporary banishment to the political/SEC boards would probably send the message that the Big Ten board is not the appropriate place to air out your political views.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Yeah, I don't care if he likes this news or that news. Each to their own.

But we have an off topic board and a non-moderated board where such discussion not only belongs, but is encouraged.

Instead, he is constantly trying to steer the Big Ten board into some sorta political direction, for some mystifying reason.

A temporary banishment to the political/SEC boards would probably send the message that the Big Ten board is not the appropriate place to air out your political views.
You want me banned, we get it.  
What you're doing, though, is inventing fictional motives behind my posts.  I don't appreciate that.  It's invalid as well.  You've done zero probing or searching for evidence behind your accusations.  
I'm just sharing honest thoughts on a specifically OT thread.  Things that aren't football-related, but that I deem worthwhile to share, period.  It's never some type of narrative I'm trying to steer or any other projection you're putting on me.
Thanks for moving on.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
btw, I use the term "FoxNews" today as many people used the word "gay" back in the 80s/90s.  If I called something 'gay' when I was younger, it meant lame.  It had nothing to do with homosexuality or was an attempt to offend gay people.  However, looking back, my use of it was offensive.

Most people who aren't in the FoxNews bubble recognize that it's cited in order to describe a deeply slanted, absurd idea (perhaps while insisting moderation).  That's all.  Maybe it's offensive, maybe not, but it's used to convey an idea, of which I believe everyone on this board understands.  
*if you're not in that bubble


**I also scrolled back over all the posts...I didn't involve anything political.  Nothing.  So I don't know where that is coming from.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
I have to head back to work tomorrow - summer vacation over.  All sad.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
There are still a crapload of boats on the water, trying to make it to Mackinac.

Screw that noise. Gimme my twin screws and 700 HP any time over that sailing bulljive.
There is a romanticism to sailing.....but if there's weather and it's 2018....yeah, it's dumb.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2018, 06:13:54 PM
For news, I try and check as many sources on line as possible, even CNN and Fox.  I find NPR and the CBSNews website to be usually just news and not spin, the Economist is good and the WSJ can be fine, though their editorials are a blend of conservatism and neverTrump.

I try and pay attention because I manage my own retirement now.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 23, 2018, 06:20:01 PM
People often focus on things that divide.  At points we're gonna stumble across those.  There is no sense in it and usually there is gain intended by doing so... I fear we're all conditioned to conflict.  What happened here, I think, is a stumbling across something that was found to have different views. Here, as opposed to other places simplu seeking confirmation, I think there is and was curiosity... I think the only offense was and is to be blamed on our conditioning. 

Aint nobody from this guard being banned... Banished... Barred... We're hella better than that. End of that.  

 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:22:26 PM
What if news channels and network news programs weren't reliant on commercials and ratings?  What if every news outlet plainly reported the same news like they did a century ago instead of trying to appeal to the widest audience or promote its own narratives.  

It could happen tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 06:24:44 PM
Well it is no wonder that Fro behaves as though the rules don't apply to him. 

He has never once been held accountable for his constant transgressions with regards to belching out his divisive political views on the Big Ten board.

Nor will he ever be held accountable for it. But he sure might succeed in getting a lot of otherwise compliant threads locked. Yay. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
What political views?  I was commenting on Crazy Horse's attacks vs the U.S. being very different than the Confederacy's.  How is that political?  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 07:15:13 PM

Sorry pal. You aren't going to bait me into a political debate on the Big Ten board. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
can't stomach the crap any longer

I'll just stick my head in the sand and hope for the best - less stress
Honestly, this is about where I've gotten. 
For a while, I thought humanity had the chance, with the internet, to elevate ourselves as a species. That the ability to communicate with people from all over the globe, to be exposed to ideas and concepts that were beyond what we had in our insular communities and upbringings, would start to shepherd in a future of true tolerance.
Nope. We use the amazing wealth of information on the internet to surround ourselves with only people and ideas with which we already agree, hardening ourselves in our positions while losing touch with the humanity of those who don't agree with us. 
It's easy to get whipped up in a frenzy of hate, greed, and jealousy. It's a lot harder to sell love, compassion, and tolerance. 
I've imagined the future of what humanity could become, but humanity is increasingly proving they don't deserve it.
So I find myself looking up to the heavens... Not for something spiritual; just wondering when the asteroid will appear and put this experiment to rest. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
Sorry pal. You aren't going to bait me into a political debate on the Big Ten board.
I'm asking you to support your claim and you're refusing.  I think that's all anyone needs to see.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 09:33:50 PM
So I find myself looking up to the heavens... Not for something spiritual; just wondering when the asteroid will appear and put this experiment to rest.

perhaps the asteroid will simply knock us back to the stone age, where humanity will have another chance to flourish
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 23, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
I'm asking you to support your claim and you're refusing.  I think that's all anyone needs to see.  Thanks.
Ooo, catty. 

Rreowrr. (with Spanish rolling rr pronunciations
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 23, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
Brisket.. I have a 13# one waiting. I also have two 12#ish eye of rounds which make great chipped (thinly sliced) roast beef for sammich, and a 17# ribe eye roast... 

Ive also got something going on that should conclude this week, and if it goes my way I'll smoke all of them in one hellacious party... If it doesn't, I'll have to settle for a pbr and a bowl of soup for a while .
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 10:31:25 PM
I tried the new PBR ale on tap this evening

not bad
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 23, 2018, 11:37:53 PM
perhaps the asteroid will simply knock us back to the stone age, where humanity will have another chance to flourish
That would be ... very bad. 
The great secret is that as we become more and more aware of what makes us unhappy, we end up in better and better times. These are literally the best times humanity had had. That’s not the highest bar, mind you, but those simpler times were, by and large worse for most everyone. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 23, 2018, 11:38:19 PM
I tried the new PBR ale on tap this evening

not bad
They’re milking that blue ribbon for all it is worth. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 23, 2018, 11:46:07 PM
I have an opinion question about logos (not political!).  I know Michigan's "official" logo is the big block yellow M, but I've been using a blue one with the yellow banner across it.  Which would be better, visually, for my game???
(https://sportslogohistory-tvgu1jdkm2wvqi.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/michigan_wolverines_1996-2011.png) or (https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fbschedules.com%2Fimages%2Flogos%2Ffbs%2Fmichigan-wolverines.png&hash=7e3d93210ea261ef8452f848b60a580b)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2018, 11:52:29 PM
 with the yellow banner 
the name of that color is Maize
derived from corn
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 12:06:06 AM
maize must be spanish for yellow....isn't corn from iowa?  oh ffs
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 12:06:51 AM
I guess my question is one of them literally says Michigan, but does the yellow block M say Michigan enough?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 07:34:21 AM
Might go to the Atlanta History Center today.  Is it OK if we see the restoration of the Cyclorama?  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 08:00:23 AM
I guess my question is one of them literally says Michigan, but does the yellow block M say Michigan enough?
Block M only.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
I like the contrast in color of the logo with both maize and blue, but the maize block M is pretty classic.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 08:42:35 AM
Might go to the Atlanta History Center today.  Is it OK if we see the restoration of the Cyclorama?  
It's fine but you'll have to come back and explain what it is, for those of us who are unaware. :smiley_confused1:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 24, 2018, 09:03:50 AM
I have an opinion question about logos (not political!).  I know Michigan's "official" logo is the big block yellow M, but I've been using a blue one with the yellow banner across it.  Which would be better, visually, for my game???

I saw the one with the banner more growing up, but one of (the only?) thing Dave Brandon did that UM fans like was to streamline to logo for brand purposes.  They only use the plain block M now of officially licensed gear I believe.  They also fixed the scoreboards on the stadium accordingly (see below).  If the university can control it, the banner is gone...
OLD vs. NEW
(https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/IMG_1486.JPG)  vs.  (https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.annarbor.com%2Fassets_c%2F2013%2F08%2F083013_SPT_NOODLE_PR-thumb-646x430-150445.jpeg&hash=5bd4a4d98fb34543a92ef8a8b6a6d2e3)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 24, 2018, 09:53:49 AM

The Mac media picks are in. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di3N2tKU4AAiHqy.jpg)

Quite different from Pete Fiutek's prognostication: https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/06/preview-2018-mac-team-rankings
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 12:08:49 PM
https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2017/02/08/cyclorama-moves-thursday-to-atlanta-history-center.html


http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/cyclorama

The painting is 42 feet high and 358 feet in length.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 12:35:00 PM
interesting, hadn't known about this
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 12:58:52 PM
That would be ... very bad.
The great secret is that as we become more and more aware of what makes us unhappy, we end up in better and better times. These are literally the best times humanity had had. That’s not the highest bar, mind you, but those simpler times were, by and large worse for most everyone.
Yeah. Everything's amazing but everybody's angry all the time... Progress?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBtKNzoKZ4
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
people aren't anymore intelligent today than they were centuries ago

and unfortunately, they are still motivated by the same old things
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 01:57:09 PM
people aren't anymore intelligent today than they were centuries ago

and unfortunately, they are still motivated by the same old things
Yeah. Staying ahead of [rather than keeping up with] the Joneses. It's been well established that people often consider their well-being on a "relative" rather than "absolute" scale. 
But when there are 7 billion Joneses and the internet points out their exploits on a daily basis, you can't stay ahead of them all. 
So despite the fact that everything's getting better, everyone's less happy. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 03:04:42 PM
I'm more happy then I've ever been.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 03:21:02 PM
I'm hoping to be in 3 1/2 years
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
I'm more happy then I've ever been.
IIRC, you don't do Facebook, right Badge? 
I'm convinced that's part of the problem for most people... 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 03:26:47 PM
IIRC, you don't do Facebook, right Badge?
I'm convinced that's part of the problem for most people...
Very little. 
All people do on there is talk about how great everything is in their life, even if it isn't...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 03:37:16 PM
I rarely open facebook, usually only for Birthday wishes
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 03:43:04 PM
do the box stores such as Best Buy usually discount large TVs at the start of football season?

I'm thinking about upgrading from my 50" plasma.

I know they do around thanksgiving for Xmas sales and then for the Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 03:53:31 PM
Amazon is your friend.

Go for a Samsung - the biggest you can afford.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Very little.
All people do on there is talk about how great everything is in their life, even if it isn't...
Yeah, which causes a lot of that "keep up with the Joneses" mentality... In fact, a lot of studies recently have been linking Facebook use to depression. 
I just stopped a few weeks ago. I couldn't take it. 
For me it wasn't the people bragging about their lives, though. I'm actually legitimately happy for all the people showing off their fun. 
It was the politics. It was watching people get caustic and angry with their friends and family members over politics, watching people basically use political memes like they're actual political points, etc. People who just saw the latest outrage and hit "share", when what they were sharing was usually the most blatant misrepresentation of whatever topic it addressed that could possibly have been created. I just found myself consumed by anger at all of these people every day, and having to resist the urge to point out their idiocy, which just left pent up aggression.
I really feel like we're reaching a point where the internet has amplified all of the most dangerous parts of humanity but seems to ignore all the best we have to offer. 
For me it was brought to a head with the Bourdain suicide. It seemed like what he was showing, through his TV programs, was our shared humanity. That no matter who we are, what country we're from, what political or social problems we're dealing with, that everyone at the end of the day was just trying to take care of their families, to create communities, and to make a little more sunshine in whatever corner of the world they inhabit. I feel like perhaps that message was futile, and maybe one night he realized the futility during a moment of despair. 
Again, I really have trouble finding optimism these days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 04:00:58 PM
TVs at Costco have insane prices, to me.

I got a Vizio 1k for my birthday 3 years back, 70", and it has been fine, but if you can find a 4K signal source ....

Smart TVs are great.

I just retired my speakers with cable pins, no idea why I waited so long to do that.  Habit.

Much better connections.  I have Monitor Audio speakers but the wife keeps telling me to turn it down.  We only share one wall with one neighbor and we never hear him.

Concrete construction.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
It works best around here if we have no clue about the politics of another poster.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 04:04:24 PM
Amazon is your friend.

Go for a Samsung - the biggest you can afford.
my limit for a TV is $1,000
I want to go to at least a 60"
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
I had a really nice lunch with our local IL state representative today. We talked about how our nation is more divided now than it's been since probably 1860, and how cable news and social media can be blamed for it. I also made note that there are a lot of stupid people out there, who believe everything they are fed. And they vote.

CDawg had it right, upthread. NPR and non-partisan think tanks are the way to go.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 04:08:29 PM
my limit for a TV is $1,000
I want to go to at least a 60"
https://www.amazon.com/s/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_85_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A1266092011%2Cn%3A172659%2Ck%3Asamsung+tv%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A1232883011&sort=price-asc-rank&keywords=samsung+tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1532462926
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 04:14:12 PM
many nice options there I could be very happy with

I'm not a fan of the curved models
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
I'm not a fan of the curved models
Yeah, to me a curved TV is a complete and total fad.
A curved computer monitor? That makes sense. It's made for one person who usually sits at a fixed distance from the screen, so one person can fit perfectly in the "optimal" viewing spot for the monitor.
But a big-screen TV? No. There will be basically only one optimal viewing point in a room, and unless you have a chair at that exact location AND everyone's sitting on each other's laps--NTTAWWT--only one person gets the right viewing experience. 
Now, I do think the biggest advantage that you should be considering is not only 4K, but 4K HDR. You'll get increased color depth with those extra 2 bits of color information. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 04:42:33 PM

Now, I do think the biggest advantage that you should be considering is not only 4K, but 4K HDR. You'll get increased color depth with those extra 2 bits of color information.
agreed, I will probably opt for the HDR, but since I'm color blind it might not be noticeable to me
more for my guests during Husker watch parties
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
Say no to the curve.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 04:59:28 PM
agreed, I will probably opt for the HDR, but since I'm color blind it might not be noticeable to me
more for my guests during Husker watch parties
I'm color blind as well. It can certainly still be noticeable. I think one of the areas it helps is better contrast. The brights should be brighter and the darks darker than you can get otherwise. And color reproduction will improve.
Of course, broadcast TV isn't HDR. So the actual signal coming in of the Husker game won't be 4K HDR. But I understand if the TV has a good upscaling feature, it can sometimes get some of the benefits even if the source signal doesn't have it. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 05:16:18 PM
not sure why 4K content hasn't taken off like HD, probably because most folks think HD is plenty good enough
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
Amazon is your friend.

Go for a Samsung - the biggest you can afford.
my previous TV was Samsung, liked it until the lightning strike
Heard nothing but good things about Samsung since, but my last purchase was LG.
Nothing wrong with it either.
Was told Samsung, LG, and Sony are all solid
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 24, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
not sure why 4K content hasn't taken off like HD, probably because most folks think HD is plenty good enough
It took HD a while.  I remember CBS doing a special broadcast of a basketball game between MSU and OSU in like 2000.  I hated it because we didn't have it, nobody I knew had it, and going widescreen with the black lines on the top and bottom was really irritating.
Flash forward 4 years to my parents actually getting an HD TV in 2004 when I was in college, there was still very limited programming.  I remember there was a station just called HD, just pretty much showed landscapes, but we'd watch it and just marvel at it.  They'd show replays of Olympic events (that was the 2004 Summer Olympics), but the HD programming wasn't live.  I don't think every NFL game was in HD until 2007.  It took a while, and that was a MUCH bigger leap.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2018, 05:26:51 PM
I just got a new 34" curved monitor at work.  It's pretty ridiculous.  I don't have any particular need for it, but since my latest job is in Displays Marketing, and we have lots of demos and x-rev samples lying around, it would be silly not to take it.  I also have two 27" flat monitors but I'll likely only keep one of them.

As far as curved TVs, though, I agree.  No need for them.



Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 05:36:18 PM
since I'm a bachelor, neither daughter is around much and don't usually watch TV with me, I could get by with a curved TV 99% of the time.  I've checked them and really don't care for them.  I could probably get used to watching one and might really enjoy it.

but, those times when 4 or 5 Husker fans are over to watch the game it wouldn't do a tall
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2018, 05:54:42 PM
not sure why 4K content hasn't taken off like HD, probably because most folks think HD is plenty good enough
Again, I work in close proximity to this industry, so there are a lot of reasons:
1) Lack of content - until there is enough of a pull for broadcasters to not only record, but also do all their post-processing and everything else for UHD, the content is truly limited.
2) Lack of equipment - cable/satellite providers like to keep equipment in the field as LONG as humanly possible. They paid for it, they make money renting it to you, and if they have to replace it with new-fangled models it cuts into their bottom line. Until they have enough content to justify charging you more for cable, they're not going to have a lot of 4K. Right now most of the 4K content you can get is video on demand through them, and only if you have their newest boxes. 
3) Lack of bandwidth. Cable and satellite are very bandwidth-limited, because they are true broadcast. And remember, when they broadcast a channel, they have to broadcast it to the lowest common denominator. The signal that comes in your coax from the cable company or to your satellite dish contains EVERY show on EVERY channel, in EVERY encoding scheme they support. Remember, they want to keep old equipment in the field forever. So even though UHD takes advantage of HEVC [high efficiency video encoding], any older boxes don't have HEVC decode capability. The new-ish boxes have AVC / MPEG-4. Older boxes are MPEG-2. That means if they want to provide a program in 4K, it requires additive bandwidth to ALL the stuff they're currently providing. So if they're providing "CBS", they need to provide CBS in UHD with HEVC, in HD with AVC, and in SD with MPEG-2 encoding. Right now it's just the latter two. Otherwise to send you a bunch of 4K channels means they have to go replace your Grandma's set top box that she's been paying $7/month over the last decade if they want to get rid of all their old MPEG-2 signals. And everyone else's grandma too.
3a) This is actually why the streaming services are beating cable to 4K. Netflix and Amazon already have it. Why? Because they're IP services as opposed to broadcast services. Their bandwidth is point-to-point, not broadcast. They send you ONLY the show you want to watch, in real-time. This was also the way that AT&T UVerse and Verizon FIOS work, but those services didn't take off all that well. It's also why you get 4K content over VOD rather than broadcast, since VOD is an IP service.
4) Lack of consumer demand. A report a month ago (https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/2018/screen-size-and-picture-quality-drive-replacement-tv-purchases/) said that ~90% of the TVs in the US are not 4K/UHD. Now, while it's true that this is a bit of a weaker point, as a lot of the main living room TVs are being replaced by 4K, it's still not overwhelming. Why put all that content out there when most homes can't even watch it in 4K? 
I do think it might take off a little more quickly this time. I think the streaming services will force the cable/satellite guys to push a little harder to avoid losing more to cord cutters, and we should start to see OTA rollout in 2019. When you can get your OTA channels and your streaming services in UHD but the cable/satellite guys don't offer it, they're going to have to catch up. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:27:40 PM
A grand will buy an incredible TV.  I used to have. 13" color CRT.  OK, a while ago.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:28:07 PM
Listening to Eat a Peach.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 06:35:25 PM
Again, I work in close proximity to this industry, so there are a lot of reasons:

4) Lack of consumer demand. A report a month ago (https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/2018/screen-size-and-picture-quality-drive-replacement-tv-purchases/) said that ~90% of the TVs in the US are not 4K/UHD. Now, while it's true that this is a bit of a weaker point, as a lot of the main living room TVs are being replaced by 4K, it's still not overwhelming. Why put all that content out there when most homes can't even watch it in 4K?

I also work close to the industry.
the conversion to HD had all the same issues.  I assume they were more quickly over come because of consumer demand.
HD content came along much more quickly enough though most homes didn't have HD TVs at the time.
Perhaps the manufacturers of the HD TVs pushed harder back at that time to make that revenue? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:36:47 PM
HD was WAY better.  4K is some better.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Anybody up for a GaTech game this year?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 06:41:41 PM
 are the yellow jackets playing in Lincoln?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
In the ATL.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 06:59:10 PM
Steltzner Martini Clone Cab.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
Trayvon Walker, boom.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
What did HDTV beat out?  There were 2 potentials, but HD won.  I forget the one that lost.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2017/02/08/cyclorama-moves-thursday-to-atlanta-history-center.html


http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/cyclorama

The painting is 42 feet high and 358 feet in length.

OMG, why are you getting political???  :57:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 07:23:36 PM
people aren't anymore intelligent today than they were centuries ago

and unfortunately, they are still motivated by the same old things
But we know so much more.  Your average 10 year old knows more about how everything works than Plato or Capernicus, or Newton.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
I saw the one with the banner more growing up, but one of (the only?) thing Dave Brandon did that UM fans like was to streamline to logo for brand purposes.  They only use the plain block M now of officially licensed gear I believe.  They also fixed the scoreboards on the stadium accordingly (see below).  If the university can control it, the banner is gone...
OLD vs. NEW
(https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/IMG_1486.JPG)  vs.  (https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.annarbor.com%2Fassets_c%2F2013%2F08%2F083013_SPT_NOODLE_PR-thumb-646x430-150445.jpeg&hash=5bd4a4d98fb34543a92ef8a8b6a6d2e3)
This just makes me want to put a macaroni on each Michigan card.  I sent out the '97 Wolverines team set out for playtesting already, but I'll stick to the yellow M going forward.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 24, 2018, 07:32:20 PM
What did HDTV beat out?  There were 2 potentials, but HD won.  I forget the one that lost.
Are you thinking of the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray battle that Blu Ray won?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 07:33:30 PM
Are you thinking of the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray battle that Blu Ray won?
Maybe...just after I posted I realized I may have been thinking about mini discs losing out to DVDs?  Who knows.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
Listening to Eat a Peach.


Love it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 07:48:58 PM
Trayvon Walker, boom.
We gots a thread for that sh.. stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 24, 2018, 09:08:27 PM
I enjoyed GTs stadiette.   I think it is the oldest in use, no?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 10:24:18 PM
But we know so much more.  Your average 10 year old knows more about how everything works than Plato or Capernicus, or Newton.  
true, but my point is the average 10 year old with all the advances in civilization isn't nearly as intelligent as any of the 3 mentioned
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
What use is intelligence if surpassed by another's knowledge?  

You're probably mostly right, but over time, with more and more people living longer with high-calorie diets, our intelligence level is likely, very slowly, inching up.  And if not the average, then certainly the highest levels.  The smartest person out of 7 billion is probably very much smarter than the smartest of 1 billion.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 24, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
... Except those 1B were alive for a reason, and where likely 6.5B of 7B of us couldn't live then if somehow transplanted.. Taking interest in intelligence being directly related to environment, those 1B were survivors of the fittest where we live lavishly and stroll to the markets after sitting in conditioned air and drinking exotic coffees calling it work... 

Things are relative, man .
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2018, 10:54:47 PM
 The smartest person out of 7 billion is probably very much smarter than the smartest of 1 billion.
probably
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 24, 2018, 11:29:49 PM
What use is intelligence if surpassed by another's knowledge?  

You're probably mostly right, but over time, with more and more people living longer with high-calorie diets, our intelligence level is likely, very slowly, inching up.  And if not the average, then certainly the highest levels.  The smartest person out of 7 billion is probably very much smarter than the smartest of 1 billion.
I think intelligence is about the capacity to process ideas originally. It's separate from knowledge. School does a good job of inputting knowledge. No doubt, we are far more knowledgeable than the Greeks. But because modern education is still designed to reward rote rule following above all else, I'm not convinced it furthers intelligence more than a smidge - and maybe not even that.
Wisdom, a very separate third thing, is in simplest terms the ability to be maximally correct. But this kind isn't about being a know-it-all but about being the opposite - for one to be humble enough to admit literally **everything** he doesn't know, which depending on the conversation could happen - maybe - always. (Making wisdom one of the rarest commodities around - the only classic example I can even think of are the Platonic dialogues...whose words were Socrates's? Eh it's not clear to me.)
In all, I'd say that all of us are just superchimpanzees. Just as we've been throughout the last 200,000+ years of hominid evolution. We're always consumed by the noise, anxious about death; self-absorbed; we grab our junk and that's a life. It's my belief that ever so rarely, an Aristotle, Kant or Bohr arrives with the gift to dampen his noise to realize that our representation of reality is not reality itself - that what we perceive through our eyes or hands are just useful hallucinations or shadows of what the universe's objects actually are. It's seems like a small thing. But to become and stay that self-aware. So daunting.
It's super fruitful though. Those guys' intelligence ultimately fuels our revolutions in knowledge. But being born after Einstein and reading his papers enables very-very-very few to stand on his shoulders. Because reading special relativity isn't 1-for-1 with understanding it like Alfred did. Even today, some physicists argue that fewer than five of their colleagues worldwide understand it instinctively.
A great question to any of the 6 billion alive today (and their innumerable ancestors) is this: So we got those aforementioned guys and Tesla and Hume and Emerson and Rumi and however many dozens of names you care to add to your list. Each, orders of magnitude more clear-headed than a superchimpanzee. (...) Why so few?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 25, 2018, 12:24:51 AM
Well not to get political....

there's been far more "geniuses" than have been identified.  X% were born into 3rd-world country life, on the edge of life and death.  X% were aborted.  X% had to raise their siblings and got menial work in the system, living paycheck to paycheck without the luxury of downtime to wonder.  X% found the allure of $$$ on Wall St. and were content with fancy cars and trophy wives.

For someone with the predisposition of advancing the rest of us with an idea, and that person avoiding the obstacles and roadblocks our cultures and civilizations have created, I doubt we'll ever find ourselves with a major cluster of these special minds.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 25, 2018, 01:09:43 AM
I agree with that post (that there have been countless anonymous special talents...and that large concentrations of Einsteins may be impossible), but I think it's a separate point. My main point was that although great intelligence drives knowledge revolutions, when the knowledge is passed to others, the intelligence that created isn't transferred too. 
I.E.: Humanity keeps inheriting better books to read with the same class of brain.
Also: "Genius" is probably an overused (or at least poorly defined) term. He'd probably have been fine with it, but I think stopping at genius is an insult to a guy like Boltzmann, Darwin, or Feynman. In that school, the threshold for Mensa is kindergarten at best.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 25, 2018, 01:24:31 AM
Eh. I kind of crapped on the word Genius there. That's still not my main point, but just on that word, maybe you're using it perfectly. 

Maybe legendary minds are about what you call genius plus opportunity. But not just that socioeconomic or lived-long-enough opportunity, but the kind of opportunity that is the difference between Lincoln or Churchill being wartime legends versus average leaders through peacetime because their hidden gifts for rising to the occasion never received a full work-out (I.E.: the opportunity of being born with the right mind for precisely the right time).

I think you might be seeing this as sad. I think it could be a beautifully positive idea. Who knows? Maybe every healthy human is born with the potential to be an Einstein Of That Thing They Love Most if only they got the right fertilizer in the right community and are lucky enough to have been born into the specific era that forces their type of brain to max out.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 25, 2018, 10:31:20 AM
Well not to get political....

there's been far more "geniuses" than have been identified.  X% were born into 3rd-world country life, on the edge of life and death.  X% were aborted.  X% had to raise their siblings and got menial work in the system, living paycheck to paycheck without the luxury of downtime to wonder.  X% found the allure of $$$ on Wall St. and were content with fancy cars and trophy wives.

Unfortunately I can't find it, but I read an article showing how there was a correlation between the wealth of a country and what percentage of their International Math Olympiad medal winners went on to a career in mathematics. Predictably, the higher-income countries had a higher percentage of their medalists go on to math careers than the others.
I don't think the article took the next step to predict how much mathematics knowledge the world was foregoing without these folks from low-income countries. And they were clear that they weren't sure where those students ended up--they very well could have gone on to other sciences, engineering, information technology, etc. So it doesn't mean they were kept out of contributing to society because their nation was poor.
But mathematics is a highly-specialized field, where the difference between "genius" and "really really smart" is the difference whether you're on the forefront of expanding our knowledge or not. And those IMO medalists are pretty much riding on that edge, so the more of them that go into math, the more we as a human race progress. 
So yeah, there are a lot more geniuses in the world than have been identified. It's getting better, but there are most certainly some that fall through the cracks for a lot of reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 25, 2018, 10:38:43 AM
Maybe legendary minds are about what you call genius plus opportunity. But not just that socioeconomic or lived-long-enough opportunity, but the kind of opportunity that is the difference between Lincoln or Churchill being wartime legends versus average leaders through peacetime because their hidden gifts for rising to the occasion never received a full work-out (I.E.: the opportunity of being born with the right mind for precisely the right time).
What's really interesting is the degree to which major advances seem to be made in parallel, but separately.
The biggest example is calculus. Newton and Liebniz basically invented the calculus at the same time but completely independently. And although I'd have to do a lot of googling for other examples, this is a common phenomenon. Major breakthroughs often come in pairs by people or teams who are working completely independently.
I think perhaps "opportunity" is more powerful than we give credit. That when the general knowledge advances to a certain point, the "clues" of the next step are laying there for the right people to notice and pick up to make the next advance. One or two get the credit for it, but in how many cases are there 5-10 more who were probably 90% of the way there before the winners of the race announced that they'd solved it?
It almost makes you think that some of the way we herald these geniuses for being the first is giving them a glory that far outstrips what is "right". How many of these geniuses were 6 months, or 3 years, ahead of the next ten geniuses who would have picked up the same clues and made the same advances?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2018, 12:44:51 PM
good offseason read: the Wishbone

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24175747/texas-iconic-wishbone-offense-50-influential-college-football (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24175747/texas-iconic-wishbone-offense-50-influential-college-football)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 25, 2018, 01:05:47 PM
Fiutek put together a list of programs over the last 5 years, ranking the teams by the elite wins they have

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/07/2018-cfn-five-year-program-analysis-fbs-elite-wins-rankings-no-1-130/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Big Ten highlights...

1. Ohio State
4t. Michigan State
13t. Penn State
19t. Iowa
22t. Wisconsin
26t. Indiana
42t. Nebraska
42t. Northwestern

None: Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 25, 2018, 03:37:50 PM
Sounds right to me. For now Michigan is at least happy it climbed to the place where being beaten can give the opponent an elite win. I didn't click to see how the term is defined but obviously 2016 had to count.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on July 25, 2018, 03:59:27 PM
Unfortunately I can't find it, but I read an article showing how there was a correlation between the wealth of a country and what percentage of their International Math Olympiad medal winners went on to a career in mathematics. Predictably, the higher-income countries had a higher percentage of their medalists go on to math careers than the others.
I don't think the article took the next step to predict how much mathematics knowledge the world was foregoing without these folks from low-income countries. And they were clear that they weren't sure where those students ended up--they very well could have gone on to other sciences, engineering, information technology, etc. So it doesn't mean they were kept out of contributing to society because their nation was poor.
But mathematics is a highly-specialized field, where the difference between "genius" and "really really smart" is the difference whether you're on the forefront of expanding our knowledge or not. And those IMO medalists are pretty much riding on that edge, so the more of them that go into math, the more we as a human race progress.
So yeah, there are a lot more geniuses in the world than have been identified. It's getting better, but there are most certainly some that fall through the cracks for a lot of reasons.
The problem with the field of mathematics is if you have made a significant contribution by the time you are 30 or so they odds are you are washed up and not going to make a real contribution. This about how most if not all the major breakthroughs (particular math and physics) have come when the "genius" was relatively young. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 25, 2018, 08:19:15 PM
Fiutek put together a list of programs over the last 5 years, ranking the teams by the elite wins they have

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/07/2018-cfn-five-year-program-analysis-fbs-elite-wins-rankings-no-1-130/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Big Ten highlights...

1. Ohio State
4t. Michigan State
13t. Penn State
19t. Iowa
22t. Wisconsin
26t. Indiana
42t. Nebraska
42t. Northwestern

None: Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers
These are fun, but when a win against App St or Memphis is valued the equal of Alabama in the playoff, no thanks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 25, 2018, 10:05:18 PM
A good measure of program health that OAM and medina have mentioned that I like is whether a team is still in contention for the conference championship and CoFoPO in the final week of the regular season. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
A good measure of program health that OAM and medina have mentioned that I like is whether a team is still in contention for the conference championship and CoFoPO in the final week of the regular season.
I don't think this is a measure of anything other than what it claims to be a measure of.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 26, 2018, 07:59:32 AM
A good measure of program health that OAM and medina have mentioned that I like is whether a team is still in contention for the conference championship and CoFoPO in the final week of the regular season.
Hmmm, this seems like it would be applicable to a small number of school. And would be very schedule based. 
It seems like an interesting measure of fan feelings when a team is right at the top. I remember the “in contention for” bit was used when Nebraska fired Solich. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2018, 08:07:45 AM
I don't think this is a measure of anything other than what it claims to be a measure of.
I think it is another of many measures of relevance. And, analogous to what you were saying in the Poll for Big Ten safeties (about how, in a system with only a first and second team, would-be third teamers are forgotten as if the same as would-be fiftieth teamers), it's more forgiving than, for example, a more traditional measure (also legitimate) that counts the CG participants and treats the remainders as the same. And not unfoundedly. Being in the race for the BTCG and CoFoPO in the last weekend of November is a Top 5 or Top 10 characteristic.
I also doubt that measure would place Wisconsin fifth, and in the company of Indiana and Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2018, 08:10:45 AM
I never took this as a measure of relevance.  I took it as exactly what it says it is, a measure of big wins.  You could have been horrible for the last 5 years, but if you pulled one massive upset you'd elevate yourself.  I wouldn't think that would elevate your status as a program.  If people are taking it as a measure of anything more than that, that's on them.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
Hmmm, this seems like it would be applicable to a small number of school. And would be very schedule based.
It seems like an interesting measure of fan feelings when a team is right at the top. I remember the “in contention for” bit was used when Nebraska fired Solich.
To correct for weak conference schedules, I emphasized the CoFoPO contention bit. Also: if a team were perennially Top 5/Top 10 as a perennial final week contender would be, only with uncommon misfortune would that team not also win their fair share.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2018, 08:15:52 AM
I never took this as a measure of relevance.  I took it as exactly what it says it is, a measure of big wins.  You could have been horrible for the last 5 years, but if you pulled one massive upset you'd elevate yourself.  I wouldn't think that would elevate your status as a program.  If people are taking it as a measure of anything more than that, that's on them.
I was calling a measure of final week contention another measure of relevance.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2018, 08:22:29 AM
I was calling a measure of final week contention another measure of relevance.
Yeah, there are plenty of better measures of relevance than elite wins.  Which is why this claims to be nothing more than what it plainly says it is, a measure of the number of elite wins.

What is more interesting to me, is not what the rankings are, but where teams differ from what we'd expect.  Why are Wisconsin and Michigan not higher?  Because they haven't won a ton of big games, but they haven't suffered any bad losses either.  Harbaugh hasn't won a big game yet.  But what's his worst loss?  A road night game at Iowa?  In a sport as crazy as college football, that says something too.  Wisconsin's last loss to a team that finished the season with more than 3 losses was 4 years ago at Northwestern.  Why is Michigan State #4?  Because while they have piles of big wins in the last 5 years, they also have 5 losses in the last 3 years to teams that finished .500 or worse.

And the "in it" thing is also dependent on a number of other factors.  MSU was "in it" last year in the final week of the season, but weren't in 2014, in the identical situation vis a vis, OSU, simply because of the presence of a third team in the tiebreaking scenarios, being PSU.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2018, 08:27:35 AM
Michigan's 2016 win over UW was probably their best of The Madman era.


BTW.. What happened to The Madman? Someone stole him.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2018, 09:22:42 AM
(https://thumb.ibb.co/bXF1oo/Jon_Hamm_Jon_Hamm_Set_Mad_Men_SY8_z_PVca_YPl.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bXF1oo)


Who is the Madman?  This guy?



Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2018, 09:22:58 AM
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/patriots-hire-former-badgers-coach-bret-bielema-as-consultant/article_9965983d-890b-524e-a219-c960fbbacc3f.html




Looks like he landed. I'm certain BB The Man won't put up with bb's mouth or antics. He better fly straight.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2018, 09:24:46 AM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn-jpg.si.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fsi_photo_tile_image_marquee%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fjim-harbaugh-awkward-interview-colin-cowherd-dear-andy.jpg%3Fitok%3D9nv3Lwg5&hash=e64884c7e43b68b2e536592597056b75)


Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2018, 09:27:24 AM
Someone stole him?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2018, 11:01:14 AM
Michigan's 2016 win over UW was probably their best of The Madman era.


BTW.. What happened to The Madman? Someone stole him.
Honestly, I think that nickname is better than Comeback Kid.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 26, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
MOUNT UNION PICKED AT OAC FOOTBALL PREVIEW AS PRESEASON FAVORITE (http://oac.org/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/2018footballpoll.pdf)

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Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
In 1979, UGA lost 4 non conference games and played Auburn late in the year for the SEC title and Sugar Bowl berth.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/schedules/1979-georgia-season/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 26, 2018, 07:46:10 PM
Yeah, being "in it" into November may be all it takes to matter.  Lose in Sept and then again Oct 6, that's only like 5 weeks of focus on your team (for a helmet, at least).  The rest of the season is just a bitch-fest.  


Start out 9-0, then drop 2 of your last 3, you'll end up ranked lower than the scenario above, but you'd have supplied your fan base with twice the length of excitement.  

Trust me, you want the excitement to last as long as you can make it...ask any woman.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 31, 2018, 09:58:04 PM
so, I'm in the market for a new Husker flag to fly in the backyard on gamedays - yes, gotta have a new flag to honor the new coach

different flag for Solich, Callahan, Pelini, and Riley

hopefully Frost will stay long enough to see this one worn and tattered

the shopping on this site went to Amazon?

Why Badger suggested purchasing the new Samsung on Amazon???
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2018, 07:34:14 AM
Just click on the Amazon link on this site (any of them) and we will get credit for routing you there.

I'm pretty sure this is what @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) instructed us to do. I'll let him confirm.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
My Longhorn flag is pretty tattered.  It's gone into its third coach now, might be time for a new flag.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 01, 2018, 08:46:40 AM
Just click on the Amazon link on this site (any of them) and we will get credit for routing you there.

I'm pretty sure this is what @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) instructed us to do. I'll let him confirm.
yup!!! and the site get's referral payment which is as much as .05% of purchase, depending on the item... small, yeah- but it adds up at some point and they send you a deposit (hasn't happened yet, but i track it's gain daily)... 
the hope is to generate enough revenue to self support the site.  i'm thinking it will ultimately happen.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2018, 10:11:36 AM
great, thanks for the confirmation

I'll put together an order sometime before Husker kickoff in 
31 DAYS 9 HRS 49 MINS 10 SECS
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2018, 10:51:44 AM
yup!!! and the site get's referral payment which is as much as .05% of purchase, depending on the item... small, yeah- but it adds up at some point and they send you a deposit (hasn't happened yet, but i track it's gain daily)...
the hope is to generate enough revenue to self support the site.  i'm thinking it will ultimately happen.  
I still get $0.60/month from Amazon for Kindle subscriptions to a blog that hasn't been regularly updated in years. I wonder each month who is still subscribed. Are they alive? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2018, 10:53:35 AM
So the day after I turned 40 (last Weds), my wife looks at my chest and says "what is that"? Looked like some spider had chosen to attack me in the middle of the night. GRRREATTT...

So it seemed to be just kinda hanging there until yesterday, when the area around it started turning red. And I found a similar area in my armpit. And it was off to urgent care. 

So now I either have an infected bug bite, or I have shingles. Yay!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
getting old is hell

those things don't happen until you hit 40
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on August 01, 2018, 02:27:34 PM
My Longhorn flag is pretty tattered.  It's gone into its third coach now, might be time for a new flag.
that's not that long for ut nowadays. :57: (i know the feeling)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2018, 05:09:47 PM
Sad but true.  We're there now, and have been there before too.  Mack Brown's tenure, and Saint Darrell's several coaches before him, were unusually long compared to the norm.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2018, 07:45:17 PM
TV out again, still get the music channels.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 03, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Pretty interesting story here regarding Baltimore HS football

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/24263583/the-football-team-won-league-lost-opponents

I genuinely believe that what he is doing is very good for the kids, and very bad for football in the region, and I don't know how to reconcile that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 03, 2018, 10:57:58 PM
Johnny Manziel made his CFL debut tonight, threw four first half picks in falling behind 38-3 in the second quarter, and somehow Montreal still has more pressing needs of improvement

https://twitter.com/TelcoAg/status/1025535930747236352?s=19
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2018, 11:30:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXhkKC4kdwE
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2018, 11:30:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igmVV7ol4S8
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
Pretty interesting story here regarding Baltimore HS football

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/24263583/the-football-team-won-league-lost-opponents

I genuinely believe that what he is doing is very good for the kids, and very bad for football in the region, and I don't know how to reconcile that.
great story
maybe he should play the Freshman when they get up by 28 points in the 2nd half
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 04, 2018, 12:29:44 AM
Johnny Manziel made his CFL debut tonight, threw four first half picks in falling behind 38-3 in the second quarter, and somehow Montreal still has more pressing needs of improvement

https://twitter.com/TelcoAg/status/1025535930747236352?s=19
Got his He-Man shirt going on!!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 05, 2018, 08:44:53 AM
So, I moved away from Atlanta (suburbs) in the early 1970s, and it was a lot different then of course.  I ended up in Cincy for 38 years starting in 1980.  I wasn't too enamored with Cincy initially, everything seemed old to me, and sort of run down in many places, and the cars all had rust.  But I came to like it and learned how to enjoy what it had to offer, which is a good thing wherever you live.  We can't all live exactly where we think we might like to live.

So, we've been here now 3 months.  We have a new car, down to one, driver's licenses, sold our house up there, so we're here now.  Some things really are different.

1.  This place has a lot of trees.  Just about everywhere has old large trees and it's nice.
2.  This place has a lot of traffic.  Duh.  We really have to plan when we try and go certain places.
3.  The driving style is a bit more aggressive, but not overly so.  This results from the traffic I think and having to make that left turn signal etc.
4.  A lot of the secondary roads have a lot of patches in them around where we live.  It looks like they put in underground whatever or patched water pipes and did a poor job resurfacing.
5.  Having the park right across the street is nice.
6.  The humidity in general is not nearly as bad.  It can be 91°F here and still be OK.  Being in the sun versus shade really matters, but we have trees here.
7.  A lot of stuff is new.  There is a building boom going on downtown and in Buckhead, not to mention the suburbs.  A lot of what used to be slums now looks nice.
8.  The nightly local news features a lot of crimes relative to Cincinnati.  Of course we have nearly 3 times as many people also.
9.  There are a lot of independent restaurants around, Cincinnati seemed to be mostly chains that were often boring.  Of course, we're 3 miles north of downtown, so the comparison to living in the 'burbs in Cincy is not really accurate.
10.  The freeways here can clog up at any time and there is no major construction happening inside the loop right now.  See item 2.
11.  Cars in general look new, but they did in Cincy as well once the rust problem was largely fixed.  A lot of SUVs here of course.
12.  This place has more smaller choppy hills around that can be fairly steep.  Cincy had large hills, much larger than here in general, and the valley and river.
13.  Some of the neighborhoods near us with single homes are quite nice and have interesting tiny "downtowns".  They remind me of Wyoming in Cincinnati.  Or Glendale or Hyde Park.
14.  There is a lot of gentrification going on here, ranging from rehabs to tearing down the old and building the new.  That is in addition to all the high rises going up in the business districts.  Cincinnati didn't have any high rise construction when we left, not a single building.

The wife likes it here, she says.  It feels a lot different to me than 1970, but I'm different also and we're in a very different environment here.

We went to the Fox Theater on Thursday to see the movie "Funny Girl".  The wife had never been there and I had not been in 40 odd years.  It's an interesting venue.  I had never seen that movie before.  It was long.  We took the subway down and decided to walk back as the rain had "stopped" and of course midway back the rain started.  It's about 13 blocks or so.  

The Tech campus and stadium are across the freeway from the Fox etc. and I might take in a game this fall.  I hear tickets are easy to get.  I probably won't wear red and black though.  I was there in 1971 for a UGA game won in the last seconds by UGA.  The game this year is in Athens where they have been prone to upsetting us, and me.

With all the new high rises being built around us, I'm not sure how traffic is going to get anything but worse.  The secondary streets are usually OK outside rush hour, but there are so many new residential buildings going up 30-55 floors than this is going to change I fear.







Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 05, 2018, 09:37:22 AM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2018/5/21/17376420/midtown-atlanta-home-for-sale-million-dollar-bungalow

This place sold for $40 K back in the 1980s.  Now asking nearly a mil, albeit with a lot of renno.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/maps/atlanta-midtown-development-map-2018

That map is what I was referencing in thinking about RE "bubbles" ...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 05, 2018, 10:21:10 AM
I’ve only been there once, but allow me to suggest the Nook on Piedmont. Enjoyed the burger, intrigued by the Tot-chos. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 05, 2018, 11:18:08 AM
Heh, we live right next door to the Nook and go there fairly often.

I can spit on it from our decks.

It is pretty decent.  We've found many pretty solid places near us, perhaps my favorite is called Lure.  The Optimist is really good but we have to drive there, it's across the freeway.

Had the best Indian food I've had ever at a place called Blue India.

And of course there is the Varsity, which we have not yet tried since we moved.  I'm sure it's the same.

Mary Mac's Tea Room is solid also, haven't been back there yet.  I was just looking for a new place for brunch later today.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: grillrat on August 06, 2018, 10:14:07 AM
For our Wisconsin friends.....

(https://pics.me.me/do-you-suffer-from-anxiety-attacks-are-they-often-caused-32896796.png)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 06, 2018, 08:25:09 PM
Over the last 5 years, Texas Tech has lost 19 times when scoring over 30 points, no other team has lost more than 12.

Flip side, MSU and Wisconsin have won 20 games scoring under 30 in that time, most in the P5, followed by Iowa with 19.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 06, 2018, 09:22:30 PM
big difference between the Big 12 and the Big 10
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 07:40:25 AM
Does anyone have the average score in P5 (or D1) football games over a season?

Maybe the median score would be better, as you have some 77-0 types.

Over the last 5 years, Texas Tech has lost 19 times when scoring over 30 points, no other team has lost more than 12.

Flip side, MSU and Wisconsin have won 20 games scorosc under 30 in that time, most in the P5, followed by Iowa with 19.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 08:25:23 AM
CFB as a business:

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/uga-raises-record-million-toward-athletics/VgULhHrj3L1dUUeCBMr1QI/

Of course, these are voluntary donations, I'm sure Big Donors get something in return of course.  I'm just musing about how much attention "we" devote to sports, and how much allocation of resources.  The new dome here was $1.5 billion in expense.  That would build a lot of new schools or mass transit or something, but we have a stadium.

I'm not complaining here, just noticing (as we all have) the emphasis we place on sports in our lives, including spending most of the Saturdays in the Fall glued to the TV.    The Romans did the same of course back in the day.

Competition seems to be a very human trait, probably shared by other animals of course, and better exemplified this way than in armed conflict.

Europe has almost no collegiate sports, other than rowing and some club sports, certainly nothing like this.  They have pro soccer of course that dwarfs anything else.  I think basketball (pro) might be second, or close to it, but a distant second.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2018, 09:14:32 AM
CFB as a business:

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/uga-raises-record-million-toward-athletics/VgULhHrj3L1dUUeCBMr1QI/

Of course, these are voluntary donations, I'm sure Big Donors get something in return of course.  I
The Detroit Free Press has been running a series of articles on this.  Their focus is on UM, but I'm sure it goes on everywhere.
Here is one on how they typically invest endowment money into funds run by donors.  The donors contribute a couple hundred thousand, a couple million goes into their fund.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/22/university-michigan-donor-endowment-broker/656708002/
They have invested $102 million into funds run by the son of the donor who paid for the $800 thousand trip to Rome for the football team.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/08/03/harbaugh-michigan-football-donor-trip/656874002/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 09:34:52 AM
I don't have that kind of money to throw around, but if I did, I might look into doing something more oriented to education etc.

We already sponsor a scholarship at my kids' HS for college.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
The Detroit Free Press has been running a series of articles on this.  Their focus is on UM, but I'm sure it goes on everywhere.
Here is one on how they typically invest endowment money into funds run by donors.  The donors contribute a couple hundred thousand, a couple million goes into their fund.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/22/university-michigan-donor-endowment-broker/656708002/
They have invested $102 million into funds run by the son of the donor who paid for the $800 thousand trip to Rome for the football team.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/08/03/harbaugh-michigan-football-donor-trip/656874002/
I've seen this developing over the last year. And unless these investment choices prove short-sighted and start negatively impacting the endowment (clearly that isn't happening), I'm still not sure why I should care. If the government is going to let every A.D. get off as non-profit, then this isn't simply inevitable; it's also a form of best management.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2018, 11:16:02 AM
I've seen this developing over the last year. And unless these investment choices prove short-sighted and start negatively impacting the endowment (clearly that isn't happening), I'm still not sure why I should care. If the government is going to let every A.D. get off as non-profit, then this isn't simply inevitable; it's also a form of best management.

Yeah, he just said he's sure donors get something back.  My point was yes, kickbacks and tax shelters
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2017/07/17/billionaire-stephen-ross-and-the-ten-for-one-charitable-deduction/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
I knew that was your purpose. At the same time, there are some other message boards that continue to call it a high scandal, and that - not you - is the origin of my flippancy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 07, 2018, 12:31:17 PM
I knew that was your purpose. At the same time, there are some other message boards that continue to call it a high scandal, and that - not you - is the origin of my flippancy.
I think there are two standards here.

In general, organizations would have clear guidelines about conflict of interest over things like this. For example, I work for a large HDD maker. Given that it's a bit of an incestuous industry, a lot of people jump back and forth between multiple competitors over the course of their careers. In those jumps, personal relationships are formed. For example, I know one woman who came over to our company from a competitor; her husband works for the competitor. They met while working together, and they're not exactly going to get divorced just because they work for competitors now. I know another whose brother works for a competitor. [Obviously they didn't become brothers due to working together; I presume one referred another to a job, but then one or the other changed companies.] They are required to disclose these potential conflicts of interest to the company. Usually there's no issue there; there certainly wasn't in either of these cases. But it allows the company to identify where problematic relationships might occur; such as where a personal relationship with a supplier could cause unfair decisions to be made relative to buying from that supplier. 

I would have assumed that UM would have clear guidelines regarding conflict of interest, quid pro quo, etc. In general, companies normally want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. It doesn't really appear that they're self-policing on this. Perhaps that is deliberate, in the case that they believe self-policing will reduce contributions from donors. It's possible that it's all on the up-and-up and these donors will contribute regardless of any kickbacks.

But it certainly raises some questions.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:42:34 PM
But unless "secret investment deals" with donors are either (1) illegal or (2) harming the university or its constituents (e.g., by prioritizing poor investments that harm the endowment), I disagree that this rubs an ethical line.
Since it isn't illegal, the only way I can imagine it being unethical is if these endowment investments in donor Funds were either actively dumb decisions or at the very least less smart than investing in some other Fund. And none of the reporting has gone in that direction. I suppose if there were insider trading that would also be unethical, but again, the reporting hasn't indicated anything like that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 07, 2018, 12:50:47 PM
The endowment is controlled by Fiduciaries, no?  They sure know what that means from a liability perspective.  I see nothing wrong with it.  Further, private equity investments have long been a substantial allocation of large pensions and endowments.  

As noted above, they can't exactly conceal this.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 07, 2018, 12:54:53 PM
But unless "secret investment deals" with donors are either (1) illegal or (2) harming the university or its constituents (e.g., by prioritizing poor investments that harm the endowment), I disagree that this rubs an ethical line.
Since it isn't illegal, the only way I can imagine it being unethical is if these endowment investments in donor Funds were either actively dumb decisions or at the very least less smart than investing in some other Fund. And none of the reporting has gone in that direction. I suppose if there were insider trading that would also be unethical, but again, the reporting hasn't indicated anything like that.
Understood. 
However the reason that there are usually conflict of interest guidelines here is because it's really hard to determine whether these investments are good or bad relative to others. And they don't have to be "bad", they might just be "sub-optimal". That's really hard to figure out.
In companies, you are often taught that you can't really determine the quality of decisions by outcome. Because there are a lot of things, such as unknown variables, changing conditions, etc, that can make the outcome of a GREAT decision turn out badly. 
So you judge yourself on the decision-making process. And any decision-making process that doesn't account for conflicts of interest is generally considered to be a worse decision-making process than one that does. 
It doesn't mean that you CAN'T invest with a donor. It means that you have a higher level of scrutiny on a decision-making process when there are known conflicts of interest involved. 
So I'm not saying anything wrong occurred here. It's possible they evaluated these investment decisions with full knowledge of the conflict of interest and still arrived at the decision to make this investment.
I'm just saying I hope they included it in their decision-making process. Failure to do so is a bad process. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:59:04 PM
All of that lands with me.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
The Ross thing is a horse of a different color.

As for the amount of investments directed towards donors, the investigation turned up the only one raising a red flag being not with a donor but with a former contact of the UM employee in charge of making those decisions.  I believe he had already been banned from managing funds by the SEC, and was doing so anyway, resulting in even greater punishments.  So while I believe that one smelled bad, it wasn't from the university standpoint as much as the individual making the decisions.  The only negative commentary on that I read was from a couple of ethics professors who wondered how one person was allowed to have that much authority over that much money with no real oversight, that he would have been even able to do that.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
Yeah that one's fishy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
Speaking of unconsciousness, I went to the poll yesterday and went swimming with my wallet in my pocket.  It got wet.

No disaster really, everything dried out pretty quickly.  I felt a bit foolish, but was remarking on how everything (nearly) is plastic these days.  Better that than the cell phone.  I also noticed my concealed carry license expired last month, which was good to know.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 07, 2018, 02:34:19 PM
concealed carry license transferred from Ohio to Georgia?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
concealed carry license transferred from Ohio to Georgia?
The states had reciprocity, so I guess so, I couldn't find anything about it on line.  GA just has what to do to get a new one, or renew an old one.  I guess I have to just reapply for one here.
I only got one to be fully legal taking something to the range, if I went to the range.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Huskerfan_12 on August 08, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
Went to Lake Mozingo in Missouri this past weekend. Nice lake and one beautiful golf course. (except hole 7, green might as well been a volcano)  Fishing was absolutely brutal. One 2lb bass between 2 guys for 2 days. Felt a little better when I talked to some guys in a Tournament that said the lake was dead all weekend. Anyone else have bad fishing this year? 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 09, 2018, 12:06:57 AM
Heh, I hate golf holes that are volcanoes.   I can think of a couple in Wisconsin like that.  I also hate blind deep soup bowl Par 3s with a 10 foot high flagstick.  Not to mention holes with a  green like a horse's back.

RE: fishing. Normally I head to Canada for a week in the summer, but with our house build ongoing, I can't get away for that long, so many decisions to make.   I've done a little bit here and there on some local lakes, and neighborhood ponds and its been pretty lean.  Always good for panfish here and there, which the kids love, but we've had some clumsy management of the lake at the in laws place that's screwed up the bass fishing.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2018, 08:55:13 AM
The fishing in Lake Michigan has been pretty solid this year, although most of what we do is technically not fishing (trolling). Lots of Coho, which is the best salmon (that's relative) to eat. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2018, 02:11:30 AM
Fewest YPP Allowed in CFP Era

1. Alabama - 4.3
2. Clemson - 4.5
2. Michigan - 4.5
4. Ohio St - 4.6
5. Penn St - 4.7
5. Wisconsin - 4.7
7. BC - 4.9
7. Florida - 4.9
7. Georgia - 4.9
7. SD State - 4.9
7. Washington - 4.9

https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/1027292928027361281
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 10, 2018, 08:18:05 AM
https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/1027626995897847809
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on August 10, 2018, 09:49:53 AM
https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/1027626995897847809
I'm really not surprised by this list
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 10, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
defense wins championships
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 10, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
I'm really not surprised by this list
SEC SEC SEC
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 10, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
SEC SEC SEC
You rang? :86:
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 10, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
usually, the conferences with the best defenses also contain the most mundane offenses
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 10, 2018, 10:25:30 PM
I just came across perhaps the most amazing stat - it's dated, but I had never heard it until today.  I'm researching some teams from the past for the game I made, and I see this:

In the 80s, Miami played the #1 team seven times and went 7-0.  That's nuts.  Is that something any of you remember or recall?  

I know almost no one wins even half their games vs #1 teams over any stretch, but to go 7-0 in a decade?  Insane.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 10, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
extremely impressive regardless, but how many of those 7 wins were on their home field?

again, not trying to diminish the accomplishment, but how many times was Miami ranked in the top 5 or top 3?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 11, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
Many at home, I'm sure.  Also, probably always also ranked in the top 5, but that's the thing - even with those caveats, teams do no better than `~50% and they went 7-0.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 11, 2018, 11:17:07 AM
'83:  vs 1-Nebraska (Orange Bowl)...Miami ranked 5th
'84:  vs 1-Auburn (East Rutherford)...Miami ranked 10th
'86:  vs 1-Oklahoma (home game)...Miami ranked 2nd
'87:  vs 1-Oklahoma (Orange Bowl)...Miami ranked 2nd
'88:  vs 1-FSU (home game)...Miami ranked 6th
'89:  vs 1-Notre Dame (home game)...Miami ranked 7th
'91:  vs 1-FSU (Tallahassee)...Miami ranked 2nd



5 games were at home
Miami was #2 in three of the seven



I believe this is a stat that somehow missed me because it's so much of an outlier.  Teams don't beat a top-ranked team 2 or 3 times in a row, much less SEVEN.  Imagine being a SR in '89...the confidence going into a game vs #1....having gone 3-0 in your three previous "big games vs #1".  It's just astonishing to me.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 11, 2018, 11:20:04 AM
I do remember those late 80's teams having a great record vs #1

Sooners and Seminoles were the victims
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 11, 2018, 12:45:09 PM
Pretty cool British Car Show in the burbs today.  Seeing RRs from the 20s, some super cool Austin Healeys and Bentleys.  The MGs and Jags become forgotten.  Poor Triumph, and Mini.  Sparse gathering for them .
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 12, 2018, 09:58:31 AM
https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/1027626995897847809
That's great, Haha, I get it, but.....what's the incentive to play OOC road games?  It's fun to rib us SECers about it, but what exactly is the rub?  Are we guilty of avoiding potential losses?  Is that the crime being committed?  Is that it?
I'm not being defensive, I'd like to have a conversation.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
 Are we guilty of avoiding potential losses?  Is that the crime being committed?  Is that it?
Yes, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 13, 2018, 12:28:59 PM
Ole Miss transfer WR Van Jefferson granted immediate eligibility at Florida.  Plus he can keep the money already paid by Ole Miss, and whatever Florida is paying him!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on August 13, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
I just came across perhaps the most amazing stat - it's dated, but I had never heard it until today.  I'm researching some teams from the past for the game I made, and I see this:

In the 80s, Miami played the #1 team seven times and went 7-0.  That's nuts.  Is that something any of you remember or recall?  

I know almost no one wins even half their games vs #1 teams over any stretch, but to go 7-0 in a decade?  Insane.
Miami was insane back then... but probably 6 of those was Free shoes University and the men of corn.   Both struggled with Miami during the 80's
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on August 13, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
I guess I should have read the additional posts.... answers given or beliefs corrected. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
We are in Truckee, CA for two days.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 13, 2018, 09:30:54 PM
Ole Miss transfer WR Van Jefferson granted immediate eligibility at Florida.  Plus he can keep the money already paid by Ole Miss, and whatever Florida is paying him!
Having him and OSU transfer Grimes eligible will really help the passing game from play one.  The offense might actually be functional this year!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 13, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
We are in Truckee, CA for two days.
Nice. Why are you there?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 15, 2018, 09:00:19 PM
(https://j.gifs.com/KZDQ6l.gif)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2018, 09:41:36 PM
Nice. Why are you there?
Came to see step son who lives in SF.  In Napa right now.  Scored at Regusci today.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 15, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
My knowledge of Truckee consists of it often being the nation's cold spot during the summer months.  Never been.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 16, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
TCU DT Ross Blacklock, the defending Big XII Defensive Freshman of the Year, is out for the season.  They play OSU in JerryWorld early on
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2018, 02:31:46 PM
A nine-win Husker season is among Athlon’s outrageous predictions for the Big Ten in 2018.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/outrageous-college-football-predictions-big-ten-2018 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/outrageous-college-football-predictions-big-ten-2018)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
*Remember, "outrageous" can be defined as “wildly exaggerated or improbable,” and “very bold, unusual, and startling.” These are "outrageous" predictions and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on August 17, 2018, 03:11:59 PM
UNL doesn't have the OL or QB right now to win 9 games
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2018, 03:28:13 PM
Athlon knows this

so does Scott Frost

Many Husker fans do not know this
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2018, 04:49:21 PM
My knowledge of Truckee consists of it often being the nation's cold spot during the summer months.  Never been.
No particular reason to go, I was a bit disappointed in the town itself, but it is convenient to Tahoe, and cheaper.
Outrageous predictions sell magazines and get notice and clicks.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 20, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
Yeah, Donner Lake is nice, the drive to (north) Lake Tahoe is relatively short, there are some decent lodges nearby, and good outdoorsy stuff, but Truckee itself is underwhelming. Kind of a refueling stop between Reno and Sacramento.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 20, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
Wisconsin is ranked really high and I dislike it a lot. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2018, 01:18:20 PM
I'd like to know which guy voted them #1...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2018, 01:28:09 PM
I know our OWH buddy (Sam) voted them #3.   I read his ballot last night, I think he has tOSU 9, PSU 6 and Michigan in there somewhere too.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
#3 is about right ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on August 20, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
4 of ASU's first 8 opponents are ranked in the top 15, nice. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
Do you folks buy into the notion that if your team is ranked high it portends disaster?  Or greatness?  Or anything?

I know some think the players get it in their heads that they no longer have to really try hard.  I don't think that is likely in the main.

Maybe they think they will have an easy time with Austin Peay.

Yuck.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2018, 03:50:24 PM
all teams are different and use the high ranking differently

even teams in the same program with the same coaching staff such as Nebraska through the 80's and 90's with nearly the same coaching staff performed differently with high rankings

so, maybe it doesn't mean anything

I do think some teams can lose their edge and become a bit complacent.

IMO, I'd rather have my team ranked in the top 5.  The bulls-eye gets pretty big at #1, but it's usually earned.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 20, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
Do you folks buy into the notion that if your team is ranked high it portends disaster?  Or greatness?  Or anything?

I don't think there's a "there" there. 
I think a lot of football fans do this to manage expectations and emotions. It's really fun when your team comes into a season not expected to do all that much and then proves everyone wrong. It's not fun when your team has high expectations from everyone--and then proves everyone wrong.
So I don't think fans really believe that high rankings cause their team to underperform--but when you're ranked really high, anything but living up to those rankings is a disappointment. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
This is how I see it.


1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Penn State
6. Washington
7. Oklahoma
8. Wisconsin
9. Auburn
10. Miami
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 04:14:01 PM
I have learned not to stress about it, at all, and I'm sure most here don't care that much other than it's a thing to discuss.

My schtick is to try and find some team ranked 15-40 that may do better than expected, like ending up 10-3.

I had NC State last year.  I lean to Florida State this year.  10-3 is often good enough to finish ranked 10th, if you win the bowl game anyway.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 04:14:34 PM
I'd note our off season stream of C is changing here of late.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 04:25:02 PM
UGA's all world freshman RB nicknamed Zeus tore the ACL in his other knee and is out.  Maybe this was mentioned.

Tough for the young man who apparently is a solid youngster in other respects.  It was a noncontact injury on special teams coverage.  Their junior RB Hollyfield of famous lineage apparently has impressed in camp.  Their started will be a fellow named Swift, apparently, which he is.  Dalvin Cook's little brother is also impressing people apparently at RB and perhaps split end.  The Dawgs appear to be loaded on offense like I've never seen from them before.  They may have problems getting some players enough touches, especially at QB, which could get interesting.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2018, 05:10:35 PM
I'd note our off season stream of C is changing here of late.
It's quickly going to be obsolete. I'm sure there will be a stream on the first Thursday, given that Purdue and NU open that night with a conference game against each other. Minnie plays too, against NM State.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 11:19:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr1dPUoLqMM

I like both Purdue and NW.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2018, 11:20:00 PM
Obviously the greatest rock music album in history right there.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2018, 11:27:27 PM
oh, just might be

I don't know
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2018, 11:54:24 PM
Obviously the greatest rock music album in history right there.
this sounds like it should have its own thread for debunking and proper insults and name calling.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 21, 2018, 08:21:43 AM
I don't think there's a "there" there.
I think a lot of football fans do this to manage expectations and emotions. It's really fun when your team comes into a season not expected to do all that much and then proves everyone wrong. It's not fun when your team has high expectations from everyone--and then proves everyone wrong.
So I don't think fans really believe that high rankings cause their team to underperform--but when you're ranked really high, anything but living up to those rankings is a disappointment.
This.
When I was in school, the first team I watched had modest expectations and exceeded them. There was a good start followed by some slips, a rise that was a bit of a mirage, and then a bowl upset win. The next year's team again had humble beginnings and did well against a soft schedule with a young team. 
The next year was supposed to be THE year. A few seniors were gone, but only one was being replaced by someone who wasn't more capital T talented. That was the year the program would take a step forward, contend for the conference again, make a big run. The rankings were high. But then the start was slow it took a while to get the first loss, but it was one that stung. It turned out, the senior experience mattered a lot more than I understood. By the end, a perfectly reasonable season had been fraught. I can't watch certain players from the team without some disappointment, and that's not really fair.
The next year was similar. Expectations were a little less, but the group was very veteran. The next great savior was coming at QB (this is where I learned about transfer expectations). The backfield was loaded, the best pass catcher back. But the start was similar to the year before and then the bottom fell out. The team was a titanic disappointment. 
And then the next year, the expectations were modest again. The team lost to the two best teams on the schedule, slipped up against a solid foe on the road, pulled an upset in the bowl. And I was reminded how pleasing it is to not get out over one's skis and have to talk it back all season.
I think less about rankings and expectations now than I did. Even as two of UW's best pass catchers are embroiled in something both terrible and probably stupid on their parts, I'm not too worked up. But I think back to that and always like starting a little lower, just so I don't have to talk about what's going wrong early on. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 21, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
this sounds like it should have its own thread for debunking and proper insults and name calling.
Sounds like an OT tourney
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2018, 08:46:54 AM
This.
When I was in school, the first team I watched had modest expectations and exceeded them. There was a good start followed by some slips, a rise that was a bit of a mirage, and then a bowl upset win. The next year's team again had humble beginnings and did well against a soft schedule with a young team.
The next year was supposed to be THE year. A few seniors were gone, but only one was being replaced by someone who wasn't more capital T talented. That was the year the program would take a step forward, contend for the conference again, make a big run. The rankings were high. But then the start was slow it took a while to get the first loss, but it was one that stung. It turned out, the senior experience mattered a lot more than I understood. By the end, a perfectly reasonable season had been fraught. I can't watch certain players from the team without some disappointment, and that's not really fair.
The next year was similar. Expectations were a little less, but the group was very veteran. The next great savior was coming at QB (this is where I learned about transfer expectations). The backfield was loaded, the best pass catcher back. But the start was similar to the year before and then the bottom fell out. The team was a titanic disappointment.
And then the next year, the expectations were modest again. The team lost to the two best teams on the schedule, slipped up against a solid foe on the road, pulled an upset in the bowl. And I was reminded how pleasing it is to not get out over one's skis and have to talk it back all season.
I think less about rankings and expectations now than I did. Even as two of UW's best pass catchers are embroiled in something both terrible and probably stupid on their parts, I'm not too worked up. But I think back to that and always like starting a little lower, just so I don't have to talk about what's going wrong early on.
Great post. I was long gone (as a student) for those seasons but I know which ones they are. Completely agree with you.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 21, 2018, 09:02:23 AM
Obviously the greatest rock music album in history right there.
If that's from "At the Fillmore East" then I'd have to agree
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 09:49:37 AM
It's just about fruit I think.

Obviously some top ten teams swoon (FSU) each year, and perhaps their fans think the team at times took a few games for granted and didn't prepare.  I think it's just that some highly ranked teams don't pan out each year, usually at least one in the top ten, and a few others do better than expected.

I can't imagine playing football in college and "calling it in" other than in some meaningless contest against "Austin Peay" where perhaps you look for individual numbers instead of playing as a team.

I also think the intensity prior to a Big Game is gone after one or two plays for the most part.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 10:37:59 AM

I can't imagine playing football in college and "calling it in" other than in some meaningless contest against "Austin Peay" where perhaps you look for individual numbers instead of playing as a team.

I also think the intensity prior to a Big Game is gone after one or two plays for the most part.
I can imagine the majority of losing teams, teams that will finish well below .500 on the season. Calling it in and playing for individual success.  Possibly even early in the season.
Intensity and pressure in big games is a factor.  Especially in the 4th quarter or the final couple possessions.  Players handle this pressure and intensity differently.
Scott Frost has preached about a mentality of "No Fear of Failure"  just go out and make plays.
I think that is the type of attitude that allowed Switzer's great Oklahoma teams to play well and wins close games vs the Huskers in the 70's and 80's.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 02:08:23 PM
UGA said to be in talks with Texas about a series.  Have a neutral site game with Oregon in a few years now.

Their OOC slate this year is pathetic, but they appear to be trying for two P5 opponents in most years.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 21, 2018, 03:30:31 PM
bayareabadger, so 2005-2008?

My recollection of the 2007 season bowl game against Tennessee is, "yup, these are two slightly above average BigTen and SEC teams playing exactly that level of football in a slightly above average bowl that happens to be on New Year's Day."

My memory of the 2008 team is, "what they heck is wrong with these guys." And then, looking at those same players in the NFL, "how did they underperform so badly?"
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 03:35:36 PM
UGA said to be in talks with Texas about a series.  Have a neutral site game with Oregon in a few years now.

Their OOC slate this year is pathetic, but they appear to be trying for two P5 opponents in most years.
good work
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 04:04:58 PM
They have a game with ND in Athens next year.
2020 is UVA (neutral site).
2022 Oregon (NS)
2025-6 UCLA H&A series.

Texas would be a great addition.  Oklahoma was the last major P5 team UGA had never faced.  OSU would be a great addition as would Wisconsin of course.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Wisconsin?!?!?!

hah!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
My off stated rule is that every P5 team has to schedule ten P5 level teams each year.

They get two pastries if they choose.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 21, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
My off stated rule is that every P5 team has to schedule ten P5 level teams each year.

They get two pastries if they choose.


Agreed, but the cupcakes should at least be FBS.  10 P5 teams, and 2 Go5 teams, I'm good with.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 05:26:38 PM
I'd like the cupcakes to be FBS, but I fear that would deprive FCS teams of needed revenue.  We'd have even more Georgia States trying to get to FBS to get revenue for beatdowns.

Maybe you could schedule an FCS once every other year.

In reality, a top team is going to demolish an FCS team slightly more than a bad FBS team, if that.

I can't keep count of how many teams in Georgia now are FBS.  It was two forever.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 21, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
I'd like the cupcakes to be FBS, but I fear that would deprive FCS teams of needed revenue.  We'd have even more Georgia States trying to get to FBS to get revenue for beatdowns.

Maybe you could schedule an FCS once every other year.

In reality, a top team is going to demolish an FCS team slightly more than a bad FBS team, if that.

I can't keep count of how many teams in Georgia now are FBS.  It was two forever.


I think the scholarship limitations make it a player safety issue, particularly the growing trend of those Week 12 games once rosters are already worn down.  Week 1, I agree, the difference might be minimal.  Week 12, it's a huge issue.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 05:44:01 PM
A top team, other than perhaps Michigan, would beat Akron just as easily as Appy State (when they were FCS), beginning, end, middle.

If they don't, they aren't a top team.

UGA struggled a couple years ago with somebody, they almost lost in fact, at home.  I saw that offensive line and realized they would have a tough year and they did.  Whether that team was FBS or FCS made no difference other than being 51-10 versus 55-6 or something.  Good teams won't struggle with lower third FBS teams any more than FCS teams.

Nichols State it was, horrible showing.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 21, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
A top team, other than perhaps Michigan, would beat Akron just as easily as Appy State (when they were FCS), beginning, end, middle.

If they don't, they aren't a top team.

UGA struggled a couple years ago with somebody, they almost lost in fact, at home.  I saw that offensive line and realized they would have a tough year and they did.  Whether that team was FBS or FCS made no difference other than being 51-10 versus 55-6 or something.  Good teams won't struggle with lower third FBS teams any more than FCS teams.

Nichols State it was, horrible showing.
It's not a matter of how easy the opponent is, I agree, that matters less, it's a matter of player safety when you have 20 fewer scholarship players, and you are meeting in late November after normal attrition.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 06:50:01 PM
Who cares about player safety when the school can get a million bucks?

I was just talking scheduling difficulty.

I admire those FCS kids out there playing football, while thinking they are perhaps not making a good choice in life.

Imagine playing for Georgia State, and they are Sun Belt I think.

I might go to a game and see how it is if I can figure out where they play.

Wow, they play in Turner Field where the Braves used to play.  A perfectly decent stadium built in 1997 in effect, and already abandoned by their team.  The Georgia Dome of course is no more, not even 30 years old and whoosh, replaced by a $1.5 billion with a B stadium with a leaky roof.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 06:55:43 PM
There's an aTm kid who is using allegations against Jimbo and Co. to try tio get a transfer waiver to Arizona (to be with Sumlin). The allegations are about mandatory workouts during the summer, some being monitored by coaches. Not earth shattering, but against the rules.

The most interesting thing IMO is the potential here for a dramatic new precedent: players spilling the beans on their program to get their way with the NCAA. 

It's kind of an ugly idea, and I don't like the pettiness (or the difficulty to corroborate the players' accounts), but I always love the separate ideas of (a) giving the players more power and (b) weeding out as much rule-breaking as possible. I have no clue what a reasonable balance there is. I'm just doubting that we are there already.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
A version of plea bargaining and extortion combined?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 21, 2018, 07:30:15 PM
Who cares about player safety when the school can get a million bucks?
I admire those FCS kids out there playing football, while thinking they are perhaps not making a good choice in life.

Exactly,echoes my sentiments.Big payout for the school/admn's kid ends up feeling like a gaggle of Gladiators just had their way with him.Not sure admire is the word - respect perhaps

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Texas-AM-football-Player-alleges-NCAA-violations-by-new-staff-120900619

That sounds serious if half true.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2018, 07:42:25 PM
My mother would not let me play football, which I wanted to do because the football players had all the hot chicks in HS, or so it seemed to me.  Her reasoning was head and spine injury potential.  My senior year the FB coach asked me if I would play tight end for them.  I was 6'4" and about 180 pounds, maybe.  I demurred.  The team as I recall went 0-10-1 that year.

I played baseball and basketball and had limb related injuries as a result and they cause me some issues today, but the brain is, well, as functional as it ever was, which is a low bar.

Looking back I'd say my mom was right.  And yes, I respect those FCS players out there, and Div. III players who at least don't play FBS teams anyway.

I coached a kid in soccer and baseball who went to Yale on a basketball scholarship.  Smart kid, very athletic, but not great in baseball oddly enough.  He played select basketball so I didn't coach him but one year when he was about 8.

I still play baseball at the Fantasy Camp thing each January and I really enjoy that but it tears me up now physically.  I do reasonably well considering I'm about 2nd or 3rd oldest camper out of 65 or so.  I can still hit for some reason.

My HS football program today is a state power in Georgia and often plays in the playoff and championship game as they did last year at the top level, which is something like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

I digress.  Again.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 21, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
I'm gonna say my son ain't playing football. Period.

And I love me some Badgers football. There's hypocrisy in that.

Fortunately for me, my son has exactly zero interest in playing football, so this won't ever be an issue. If he wanted to play hockey, that might be a tougher conversation (and a tougher decision for me), but I'm not real worried about that, either.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 08:20:43 PM
I played football in HS, late 70's

I don't have a son, but I'd encourage him to play football if I did.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
There's an aTm kid who is using allegations against Jimbo and Co. to try tio get a transfer waiver to Arizona (to be with Sumlin). The allegations are about mandatory workouts during the summer, some being monitored by coaches. Not earth shattering, but against the rules.

 lack of institutional control

The most interesting thing IMO is the potential here for a dramatic new precedent: players spilling the beans on their program to get their way with the NCAA.

Can't possibly be the first time for this.  I'm not coming up with an example, but there's gotta be more than a few in the 100 year history

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2018, 09:15:50 PM
Wisconsin?!?!?!

hah!
THE B1G Red, until proven on the field.
Hah!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
no argument
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 21, 2018, 10:21:18 PM
If he wanted to play hockey, that might be a tougher conversation (and a tougher decision for me), but I'm not real worried about that, either.
Hockey has the exact same hits-to-the-head problem that football has, except with only a fraction of the publicity.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 10:32:30 PM
CTE and dementia have been connected to many sports by now, including soccer. Though my sense is that the prevalence is much less outside of american football. 
I don't have kids yet, but I will. Maybe this'll change, but I expect to be enthusiastic about their playing hockey.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
I was very enthusiastic about any sport either of my daughters wanted to play

but, probably not boxing or cage fighting
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
My eyes just have no tolerance for cage fighting. Good for other people that they like it. Not judging; I just don't "get" it. And feel no urge to expand that horizon.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 22, 2018, 12:21:45 AM
That's why i enjoy coaching my kids vball.  Wonderful game and the worst im gonna see is an ACL tear, if they get that far competitively. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 07:43:56 AM
I suspect all of us see an upside to participation in competitive sports.

Parenting often is about balance, perhaps always.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 22, 2018, 08:51:11 AM
I think it's important, but at this point the cons outweight the pros to me when it comes to football and hockey, so my kids will be playing neither.  The 5 year old already plays baseball and soccer.  He has nonstop energy, so I figured baseball would take some prodding, and he'd love soccer, but it's been the total opposite.  He asked on Saturday to go to the park and have me pitch balls to him just for fun.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 09:13:47 AM
My girls were pretty good at soccer but one (a striker) tore her ACL and had a meniscus tear in the her other knee.  I'm told this is not unusual among girls around 15 or so who are fast, too much strain.  She played a little after that but was never the same at all.  She had been a goal machine before that happened.

The other played in goal and only quit as a senior in HS because the coach insulted her for missing time to attend a funeral.  Two other girls walked off the field when the coach made those comments.  I didn't hear about it until months later.

The boy got into diving of all things and hit the diving board with his mouth once which was not good.

Everything has risk.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
I read some discussion about the running back for UGA who tore his second ACL (noncontact punt coverage practice) and whether some men are more prone to that injury than others.  Today the knees are repaired with greater success, even the one Chubb had.

Frankly I don't know how ANY running back survives college ball if he plays much.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 22, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
If my son takes after me physically, he might have the size to play football [I graduate HS at 6'4" and 225#, lean, just from martial arts and not doing any serious weight training]. 

It's not even an option for him. I expect he's going to make his living [as I do] with what's in his head, not by hitting it against other people at high speed. Might as well protect it. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 22, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
Another day in the Big Ten East

https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/1032389652743839744?s=19
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 22, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
I was worried when that potential shoes scandal popped up for Michigan. Glad to see it didn't involve active players and that we were able to skip the recent episodes of As The Big East Turns.

Tangent time: Holy crap, why are some shoes worth thousands of dollars? Obviously because of supply and demand. I guess I'm not actually asking. Just shocked. Also that Jordan gives Michigan players so many for free. I feel like if you come to Michigan and choose to only save your leisure sneakers in the box, never use them, when you graduate, you can legitimately sell the accumulated stack of boxes for $10-30K.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on August 23, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Texas-AM-football-Player-alleges-NCAA-violations-by-new-staff-120900619

That sounds serious if half true.
I haven't seen more on this...   does it have legs or just off season noise?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 23, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
Jimbo says it's not true at all.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 23, 2018, 01:28:55 PM
Even if true: Is it serious? I mean it breaks rules. So I guess. And the accusation (that coaches were there through the summer and that voluntary sessions were called mandatory) was worse than what Michigan got dinged for under Rodriguez ("20 too many minutes of stretching per week"), but I still find it difficult to care.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 23, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
Going to be in Nashville, got free tickets to Vandy-Nevada, 11 AM kickoff. I'll be the judge of just how good this "SEC atmosphere" is
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 23, 2018, 03:11:25 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Even if true: Is it serious? I mean it breaks rules. So I guess. And the accusation (that coaches were there through the summer and that voluntary sessions were called mandatory) was worse than what Michigan got dinged for under Rodriguez ("20 too many minutes of stretching per week"), but I still find it difficult to care.
If the part about giving players money to entertain recruits is true, well, that one will be a little more serious than a few extra hours of practice.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2018, 03:17:06 PM
Going to be in Nashville, got free tickets to Vandy-Nevada, 11 AM kickoff. I'll be the judge of just how good this "SEC atmosphere" is
The only SEC atmosphere I noticed in Nashville for our board meeting there were the many SEC guys/gals actually at the board meeting.
That and this one screaming banshee Bama chick in the bar we hung out in. I think @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) was ready to kill her, had we not all been looking at him.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 23, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
If the part about giving players money to entertain recruits is true, well, that one will be a little more serious than a few extra hours of practice.
I hadn't heard that allegation. Yeah, those ones tend to matter more. Even then, how often do such allegations evolve into sanctions? 1-in-10?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 23, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
slap on the wrist if that
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 23, 2018, 04:31:57 PM
Going to be in Nashville, got free tickets to Vandy-Nevada, 11 AM kickoff. I'll be the judge of just how good this "SEC atmosphere" is
I was in Nashviille on a game day (was there for a wedding).  The atmosphere was pretty sedate, a handful of tailgates near the stadium and some frat parties going on.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 23, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
The wife and I took a fairly long walk south along Peachtree today.  We had not gone that far before except one night walking back from the Fox.  It was pretty interesting, a LOT of people on these scooter that scoot.

A lot of folks out walking and not much traffic relatively speaking.  It was a nice day, low humidity and about 85°F.

We had lunch at a place called "Chick-Fil-A", pretty good samwich.  They have a lot of them down heah.

The tallest building in the ATL is in midtown, not downtown, and we walked by it, fairly impressive lower structures.

We walked near the Varsity but not to it, I've taken the wife there a few years back, she was amused.  The food isn't really that good but they just had their 90th birthday celebration.  What'll you have?

Have your order in mind and your money in hand.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 23, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
The only SEC atmosphere I noticed in Nashville for our board meeting there were the many SEC guys/gals actually at the board meeting.
That and this one screaming banshee Bama chick in the bar we hung out in. I think @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) was ready to kill her, had we not all been looking at him.
That was an elite sports bar.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2018, 09:12:30 PM
That was an elite sports bar.  
Best one I've ever been too. Of course, I'm sure the company helped.
Probably the largest bar tab I've ever paid. Like, Ever.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 23, 2018, 10:39:32 PM
and I didn't get in on that tab

regrettable and only myself to blame
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 23, 2018, 11:34:40 PM
The only SEC atmosphere I noticed in Nashville for our board meeting there were the many SEC guys/gals actually at the board meeting.
That and this one screaming banshee Bama chick in the bar we hung out in. I think @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) was ready to kill her, had we not all been looking at him.
I was in Nashville last December. GF did her masters at Vandy, so we took a long weekend there to let her take a trip down Memory Ln, as well as partake in some fun stuff in town. 
Sadly, I couldn't find the bar where all of our drinking and debauchery took place at. It wouldn't surprise me if the building had been sold and redeveloped, as there was a lot of new construction in the area. Google Maps has a Sam's Place in the vicinity, but it is on the wrong side of the street and doesn't have the big overhead door in front.
On an aside, has it really been TEN YEARS since that meeting? Good grief.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 24, 2018, 01:04:07 AM
GR, I think you are right that it isn't there anymore, but I think you are off on the locale.  I recall it being very close to the Pancake Pantry  on 21st ave. (one of those places that's always crowded because everyone thinks its great (it's not that special).  I remember we were cracking wise about people waiting hours for pancakes (and ok grits).   I think I see the block it was on, and yes, it looks like it has been redeveloped.   

Their TV management was how every place that aims to be a sports bar needs to be.  Sets were marked for what they were going to air, and even had a TV or two that said 'Need a different game, just ask?' . I remember in the main bar area away from the section we took over, they had a big chalkboard with all the games and the station they were on so the staff didn't have to ask (ESPN U, what station is that?) The staff was awesome.

I think of that place everytime I'm in that position at a bar.  I worked my ass off and bribed the bartender @ USC bar in LA last fall to get Big Ten games on, including navigating N v NW, OSU v iowa, with the delays at the Penn St. game blowing up the guide.  The worst places, 15 TVs or whatever, and 12 of them are on one game.  Or, neglect ensues, and some game ends, and they tolerate local news, or Access Hollywood to stay on indefinitely.

Nashville is a fun place.  Music City Bowl was another fun trip I had there.  It is definitely the most un-SEC atmosphere in the conference, and I've been to 10 of the campuses for games.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 24, 2018, 05:13:24 AM
Ten out of 14 is really a good sampling.  I've been to four.

Well, five counting Vandy as I was on campus during game day.  Bring on Bama.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 24, 2018, 07:00:57 AM
Yeah, MH has the locale correct. I thought I found the place when I was last there - it was a bit different looking though.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 24, 2018, 07:47:38 AM
Another very nice day here, high in the mid80s, low in the 60s.  The wife is going to think summers are always like this around here.

They are not.

We have family coming to visit early September, one lady from Brazil included.  It will be a bit hectic.  The wife wanted to go to Brazil in November and the tickets were $1700 each.  Yuck.  I reminded her that was football season.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 24, 2018, 10:11:59 AM
Was watching an old UW-MSU game. 

Man, Jerel Worthy was a beast. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 24, 2018, 10:18:25 AM
Was watching an old UW-MSU game.

Man, Jerel Worthy was a beast.
Was actually just talking about him the other day, because he signed with an NFL team, and I was surprised he was still bouncing around the league.  He was actually on the Bills active roster from mid-2015 until they cut him mid-2017, which surprised me.  Thought he'd be a better pro.
But that led us to another discussion, about how the discussion is always that Michigan gets better recruits, but Dantonio is a better developer of talent; and in basketball how Izzo gets better recruits, but Beilein is a better developer of talent.  I think if Dantonio and Beilein were great developers of talent, you'd see them producing better pros.  But none of Beileins unheralded recruits have done jack in the NBA, and of all of Dantonio's 2* guys, the only ones who have produced in the NFL are Bell and Cousins.  Granted those two are producing at a very high level, but on the whole, I think the point stands.
What I think that means is that Dantonio and Beilein are great talent maximizers.  They can get the most out of underrecruited kids, and win big with less talent than comparable programs.  But I'm not sure the "developer" tag is accurate, because in that case I think you'd see their players produce more at the next level.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 24, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
I think intelligence of the player is a large factor here for most positions.  The smarter kid is going to benefit more from coaching and likely be more motivated.  My guess is the over achievers by and large have been smarter kids, versus talented but less smart kids who don't believe they won't make the League on talent alone.

Even at RB, the ability to pass block is important in CFB and the NFL.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 24, 2018, 01:36:41 PM
What I think that means is that Dantonio and Beilein are great talent maximizers.  They can get the most out of underrecruited kids, and win big with less talent than comparable programs.  But I'm not sure the "developer" tag is accurate, because in that case I think you'd see their players produce more at the next level.
Well, yes and no. To maximize the talent, you have to develop it. Very few of these 2* players are coming in ready to dominate the B1G. It requires improving their skills, improving their understanding of their role in a scheme, and improving their bodies.
Only issue is that once you've done that, they're *still* at a severe talent differential compared to the players that stick in the NFL or NBA. If you take those players, with their talent, and give them the same skills & understanding level of the Dantonio/Beilein lesser talent players, they're still going to have an edge.
There are ~60 P5 teams, with 85 scholarship players each. Given 1/4 turnover each year, that's 1275 players available each year, not counting G5 or FCS. 
Only 224 players each year are drafted, and often those in the later rounds don't even stick as they're headed to a league of 32 teams with only 53 man rosters. 
Similar issue with basketball, but probably worse due to players from overseas, and that there's more competition with Big East and other mid-major leagues that don't have as much talent dropoff as the difference between P5 and G5 in football.
Dantonio or Beilein [or Painter, who I think is in the same "do more with less" category] should be lauded for winning with what they have. But you shouldn't knock them for not having players who do more at the next level.
Talent still dominates, when you get into the rarefied air of the next level. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 24, 2018, 03:14:12 PM
developing players is critical

but, as one wise old coach said, "ya can't make horses outta horse shit"

gotta have some talent to start with
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 24, 2018, 03:51:33 PM
Well, yes and no. To maximize the talent, you have to develop it. Very few of these 2* players are coming in ready to dominate the B1G. It requires improving their skills, improving their understanding of their role in a scheme, and improving their bodies.
Only issue is that once you've done that, they're *still* at a severe talent differential compared to the players that stick in the NFL or NBA. If you take those players, with their talent, and give them the same skills & understanding level of the Dantonio/Beilein lesser talent players, they're still going to have an edge.
There are ~60 P5 teams, with 85 scholarship players each. Given 1/4 turnover each year, that's 1275 players available each year, not counting G5 or FCS.
Only 224 players each year are drafted, and often those in the later rounds don't even stick as they're headed to a league of 32 teams with only 53 man rosters.
Similar issue with basketball, but probably worse due to players from overseas, and that there's more competition with Big East and other mid-major leagues that don't have as much talent dropoff as the difference between P5 and G5 in football.
Dantonio or Beilein [or Painter, who I think is in the same "do more with less" category] should be lauded for winning with what they have. But you shouldn't knock them for not having players who do more at the next level.
Talent still dominates, when you get into the rarefied air of the next level.
I'm not talking about overall draft numbers.  But seemingly both MSU football and UM basketball have a higher than normal bust rate simply based on where they were drafted, among those 2* and 3* recruits.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 24, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
We went to a Vietnamese restaurant for lunch and I had some kind of fake soup.

I don't know what the original would be like, but this one was pretty good.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MikeDeTiger on August 24, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
The only SEC atmosphere I noticed in Nashville for our board meeting there were the many SEC guys/gals actually at the board meeting.
That and this one screaming banshee Bama chick in the bar we hung out in. I think @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) was ready to kill her, had we not all been looking at him.
Tell the truth....you ALL wanted to kill her.  Everybody in that joint did.  
That lady probably has kids.  Just let that sink in.  
If her husband hasn't murdered her by now, for auditory crimes against humanity.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 24, 2018, 08:58:54 PM
We went to a Vietnamese restaurant for lunch and I had some kind of fake soup.

I don't know what the original would be like, but this one was pretty good.


Pho?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 24, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
Between one of the best programs in PA losing 42-0 to IMG and the third top MI basketball recruit transferring to the same Ohio prep school I think the time to split public and private high schools in competition is past.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 25, 2018, 01:07:26 AM
Between one of the best programs in PA losing 42-0 to IMG and the third top MI basketball recruit transferring to the same Ohio prep school I think the time to split public and private high schools in competition is past.
Who transferred where?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 25, 2018, 05:38:26 AM
Aren't publics and privates typically separated on the football field anyway? Not by rule but just by scheduling tradition?
Doing it by rule may be more complicated than expected, though. IMG (and perhaps this basketball prep school in Ohio) is a very unusual place. It seems unfair to just design a rule to surgically impact those places. And if the rule were to more globally split publics and privates, the outcome could be even worse. I have experience with the metro Detroit catholic leagues. Most of those teams, including ours, were terrrrrrrrrrrrrible. Unsurprising given how few of them have graduating class sizes larger than 250 (ours was 46).
Maybe I'm misunderstanding ELA's wish, but if there were an all-star prep school in the area, I'm not sure it benefits anyone for that school to be disallowed to play larger publics and forced to play more D class rinky dink private high schools. And I don't think there are enough top schools to fill out a full schedule without crossover.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 06:27:29 AM
In Cincy, the publics and privates are in difference conferences, but they play each other in the state playoffs.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2018, 07:15:35 AM
The prep school thing is becoming a larger problem in basketball for sure, but I posted the article earlier about Biff Poggis program basically taking all the best kids from Baltimore and running roughshod over the state.

I'm not sure what the answer is, because you are right there are lots of small, lousy private schools.  But there are a handful of elite (athletically) private schools that might as well be college teams.

That La Lumiere school in Indiana brought in so many transfers the other year that they ran out a starting lineup of 5 kids from 5 different states, each of whom had been the highest rated recruit in their state the year prior.  It was like Jaren Jackson from IN, Brian Bowen from MI, Jordan Poole from WI, Tyger Campbell from TN, and I forget the 5th.

Pennsylvania put in a rule this year to address it.  Basically if you take on a certain number of transfers you enter a program where you accumulate points based on on field/court performance.  If you reach a certain threshold of points, they move you up a class.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 07:58:37 AM
Decades ago, Valdosta, a public HS, had a major football program.  They would scout junior high kids all over south Georgia.  If they liked one, his father would get a lucrative offer in his line of work in Valdosta.  And move.

We lived in Augusta and I can recall Richmond Academy, the major power there, going 9-0 often as not and looking great and then losing 63-0 to Valdosta year after year.  I think they still have the most HS football wins in the country all time.

It was a neat scheme.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 08:00:59 AM
I finally caught the film Friday Night Lights on NF the other night.  I enjoyed it, but I liked the series better I think.

I got a bit addicted to the series soap opera about football.  I had not realized they used some of the same actors.

Grady HS is near me and has a large stadium and I am musing taking in a game or three for no reason.

I wonder if they are any good.  My old HS is usually state power now but they got hammered in game one.  Their game tonight is on ESPN something apparently.  HS football on cable ESPN.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 08:03:11 AM
This season’s football showdown between Grayson and Tucker will be part of the GEICO ESPN High School Football Kickoff.
It will be the third of four ESPN broadcasts Saturday, Aug. 25 with a 6 p.m. kickoff at Grayson. The game’s broadcast will be on ESPNU.
ESPN’s other high school broadcasts that day include Pinson Valley (Ala.) at Hoover (Ala.) at noon, followed by Cedar Grove vs. Hewitt-Trussville (Ala.) from Hoover at 3:30 p.m. Both of those games are on ESPN.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2018, 09:17:38 AM
I finally caught the film Friday Night Lights on NF the other night.  I enjoyed it, but I liked the series better I think.

I got a bit addicted to the series soap opera about football.  I had not realized they used some of the same actors.

Grady HS is near me and has a large stadium and I am musing taking in a game or three for no reason.

I wonder if they are any good.  My old HS is usually state power now but they got hammered in game one.  Their game tonight is on ESPN something apparently.  HS football on cable ESPN.
The series might be my all time favorite television series.  Much better than the movie IMO.
And the story above reminded me of something Buddy would do.  IIRC there was a plot line involving a vacant lot with a mailbox that they used as an address to get kids into the district, that Coach Taylor used against them when he came back to the crosstown rival.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 25, 2018, 10:55:26 AM
The prep school thing is becoming a larger problem in basketball for sure, but I posted the article earlier about Biff Poggis program basically taking all the best kids from Baltimore and running roughshod over the state.

I'm not sure what the answer is, because you are right there are lots of small, lousy private schools.  But there are a handful of elite (athletically) private schools that might as well be college teams.

That La Lumiere school in Indiana brought in so many transfers the other year that they ran out a starting lineup of 5 kids from 5 different states, each of whom had been the highest rated recruit in their state the year prior.  It was like Jaren Jackson from IN, Brian Bowen from MI, Jordan Poole from WI, Tyger Campbell from TN, and I forget the 5th.

Pennsylvania put in a rule this year to address it.  Basically if you take on a certain number of transfers you enter a program where you accumulate points based on on field/court performance.  If you reach a certain threshold of points, they move you up a class.
I love discussing this because it's a fascination question of one size fits all-ism.
So you mention La Lumiere. They're in a totally different world than say Cathedral, a Indianapolis power a few hours away that routinely recruits monster teams. La Lumiere doesn't even compete in a sanctioned league. They just play other weird private schools and national events. So they're not denying a public school anything. Cathedral plays monster schedules, and then rips off ridiculous playoff runs against worse competition (they won three consecutive state titles with five-loss teams), or did til their bump-up rule caught up with them.

There's also the fascinating state dynamics. In Indiana, private school football dominance is a real issue. In Georgia it was so bad on the small school level, they had a split, but the bigger ones haven't been a thing. One state over, South Carolina has a private school league because all but 3-4 teams couldn't come close to competing with public schools. In California, private schools dominate the top rungs of the sport, there's plenty of awesome public schools competing. It looks like IMG likewise doesn't play for anything other than just the games it plays, so if someone wants to face them, I guess have at. 

I've often thought about what a split would mean, and I guess I come to the conclusion a lot of the country don't have the density of those powerhouses to be feasible. Like in California, De La Salle for a long time just crushed everyone. And if it only played private schools in its section, it would be double the size of the next closest school and just be murdering even smaller schools. I don't know if that outcome if better (ironically, a section over, there is a parochial league, though it's still in the same playoff). I like different places trying out different approaches to it. 

(That's to say nothing of non-football/basketball dominance. A friend told me about the biggest private school in South Carolina, which has like a million state titles. I think three are in big sports. But with folks with money, you can do damage in country club sports/sports with a big club element, plus you have the support for a hyper organized track team)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 25, 2018, 12:59:10 PM
In Cincy, the publics and privates are in difference conferences, but they play each other in the state playoffs.
Is that true? I thought they created separate divisions? I could very well be wrong as I’ve been able to follow high school very little the last couple years. I thought there was an uproar that the privates had an unfair competitive advantage, therefore a division was made
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
 I recall Princeton and Colerain playing Xavier and Moeller other Catholic schools in the playoffs.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2014/12/06/glory-days-princeton-football/20013037/

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 25, 2018, 01:42:04 PM
The prep school thing is becoming a larger problem in basketball for sure, but I posted the article earlier about Biff Poggis program basically taking all the best kids from Baltimore and running roughshod over the state.

I'm not sure what the answer is, because you are right there are lots of small, lousy private schools.  But there are a handful of elite (athletically) private schools that might as well be college teams.

That La Lumiere school in Indiana brought in so many transfers the other year that they ran out a starting lineup of 5 kids from 5 different states, each of whom had been the highest rated recruit in their state the year prior.  It was like Jaren Jackson from IN, Brian Bowen from MI, Jordan Poole from WI, Tyger Campbell from TN, and I forget the 5th.

Pennsylvania put in a rule this year to address it.  Basically if you take on a certain number of transfers you enter a program where you accumulate points based on on field/court performance.  If you reach a certain threshold of points, they move you up a class.
Chris Partridge was doing something similar in NJ before leaving for Michigan. And I guess Poggi was too, weirdly coincidentally(?) before leaving for Michigan, though I think he's created more of a HS super power since going back.
I like PA's solution. I had no idea, but that's super fair and it doesn't screw the competition or dissolve the practice (which doesn't seem like such a disease to me yet that we should respond to it anti-competitively).
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2018, 01:53:29 PM
Poggi took over a legendary program, like 20 years ago, when he left Michigan, he took the worst program in Baltimore and recruited the hell out of it to the point that I think they've won three straight state championships.  I posted an article in this thread a couple weeks ago, and how I'm torn on it.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 25, 2018, 01:59:13 PM
I recall Princeton and Colerain playing Xavier and Moeller other Catholic schools in the playoffs.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2014/12/06/glory-days-princeton-football/20013037/
This is interesting and talks about some of the competitive balance changes. I think cliff notes version is private schools moved up divisions because their students count as a higher multiple for a student compared to a public school. Interesting to read the dynamics of it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/1052683001 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/1052683001)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 25, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
Looks like Florida redistricts every couple of years now.  Schools can petition to be in a certain district, but in terms of history and rivalries, that's all toast.  When I played, it only went up to 6A, now it goes up to 8A.  The private schools are mostly grouped into the smaller division districts, but there is some mixing there.

But there's also independents, like IMG.  



Why does everything have to be put on blast, full-bore?  Why can't we leave HS athletics alone?  Why does there need to be artificial juggernauts recruiting kids from across the country to beat up on other 16 year olds?  Everything gets so bastardized.  


In my HS's current district, none of those schools were on our schedule when I played in the late 90s.  That's lame.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 25, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
Why does everything have to be put on blast, full-bore?  Why can't we leave HS athletics alone?  Why does there need to be artificial juggernauts recruiting kids from across the country to beat up on other 16 year olds?  Everything gets so bastardized.  
I'm not convinced it's a sickness. Especially since IMG (for example) can't, by virtue of being an independent, steal anyone's conference trophy. And absent some serious sickness or rule-breaking, I tend to always fall in favor of competitive spirit, especially when creative, no matter how cutthroat.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
I was just watching a bit of HS football on ESPN upstairs.  My impression is the kids are very slow and many seem clueless about what is happening.  I wonder if the college teams from say 1925 were similar, the good ones had 2-3 great athletes surrounded by just regular Joes.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 25, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
I'm not convinced it's a sickness. Especially since IMG (for example) can't, by virtue of being an independent, steal anyone's conference trophy. And absent some serious sickness or rule-breaking, I tend to always fall in favor of competitive spirit, especially when creative, no matter how cutthroat.
But why do it younger and younger?  Kids aren't kids anymore.
Big-time college football recruiting is already cutthroat.  Then actually playing and being successful.  Then the NFL draft is another step up.  Then trying to carve out a 10-year NFL career.
What do the kids at IMG get out of it?  Destroying 'regular' HS teams?  Being on TV?  The only actual, positive plus they get is competing against talented players in practice.  That's it.  The rest is unnecessary BS.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2018, 05:31:45 PM
That's my issue.  It's only going in one direction, and once we are fully saturated with a handful.of high school super teams, what's the next step?  I'm the parent of a 5 year old, who is already ostracized from soccer because he plays baseball and soccer, and prefers basevall, so when they conflict, he picks baseball.  Tryouts for travel sports when I was young was 12, which I'm sure my parents found young.  Now it's 8.   This is all unequivocally awful.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 25, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
#7 Florida goes on the road to defeat #2 Nebraska 3-1 in women's volleyball.  That's big-time!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 25, 2018, 11:53:22 PM
yup, great match

watched all of it
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 26, 2018, 12:45:58 AM
It was exciting though an expected hot mess w so many new faces on both sides.   Thayer Hall of UF is well deserving of her top incoming Fr. billing.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2018, 09:36:37 AM
a bit sloppy as can be expected, but very competitive and entertaining
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 26, 2018, 06:23:54 PM
The wife and I went back to Stone Mountain today and walked up it.  I'd say half the folks there were African American, or close to it.  There were quite a few Asians and Hispanics also.  Everyone was very friendly.  Nobody seemed upset at all the Confederate stuff around, including a display of Confederate flags just at the base of the walk up.  Most people are sensible I think.

The weather was a touch warm in the sun but not bad.  Nice breeze on top.  It's about 800 feet above the surrounding areas.

We had brunch at a German place in Stone Mountain Village, which is a kind of semi-run down small town there.  The wife really liked it, and I thought it was better than expected.  She's not usually much for German things for various reasons dating back to her Dad's experience in the war, which was bad.

I was rewatching part of the Miss State Alabama game from last year.  MSU blew that one.  Bama seems to get breaks when they need one.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 26, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
The wife and I went back to Stone Mountain today and walked up it.  I'd say half the folks there were African American, or close to it.  There were quite a few Asians and Hispanics also.  Everyone was very friendly.  Nobody seemed upset at all the Confederate stuff around, including a display of Confederate flags just at the base of the walk up.  Most people are sensible I think.

lol, this makes me think you don't get it.
Who was suggesting there were minorities stomping around, 24/7 fuming at the confederate stuff at Stone Mtn?  


I simply shared what I did previously because unlike probably 99.9% of people who visit it, I had no idea about the sculpture into the rock or the celebration of "the South" the park has.  I thought it was a geological destination, like the Grand Canyon.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 26, 2018, 07:07:54 PM
But why do it younger and younger?  Kids aren't kids anymore.
Big-time college football recruiting is already cutthroat.  Then actually playing and being successful.  Then the NFL draft is another step up.  Then trying to carve out a 10-year NFL career.
What do the kids at IMG get out of it?  Destroying 'regular' HS teams?  Being on TV?  The only actual, positive plus they get is competing against talented players in practice.  That's it.  The rest is unnecessary BS.
What do the kids at IMG get out of it?
You mean besides highest level exposure, highest level HS development, and tens of thousands in free HS tuition?
Those are nearly fungible commodities - tradeable for a higher chance at college scholarship and, for perhaps all of IMG's football transfers, a better HS education. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 26, 2018, 07:45:15 PM

CFL standings halfway through the season, heading into the Labour Day Classics. (Rivalry week!)

https://www.cfl.ca/standings/
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 26, 2018, 08:09:28 PM
What do the kids at IMG get out of it?
You mean besides highest level exposure, highest level HS development, and tens of thousands in free HS tuition?
A - if you're good, you'll get recruited, wherever you play
B - their development comes during practice, not waxing the other kids in games
C - the phrase "HS tuition" is nuts itself  
Suburbs = tuition for high school = white flight
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 26, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
A - if you're good, you'll get recruited, wherever you play
B - their development comes during practice, not waxing the other kids in games
C - the phrase "HS tuition" is nuts itself  
Suburbs = tuition for high school = white flight
A: that is becoming more and more true, but not absolutely so. 
There's no reason to say that, if there are 2,000 scholarship spots available each year that they *absolutely* go to the kids who were (irrespective of published rankings) objectively numbers 1 through 2,000. Kids get hidden - often in rural areas, and the northeast. That's far less likely to happen at IMG. 
And even for the ones who get a scholarship, it would be strange for us to conclude that 100% of them get discovered by the level of school corresponding to their talent. Again, less of an issue at IMG. (And, given the talent at IMG, it's clear this is the issue that's most relevant)
B: That's my point too. That these IMGers develop more facing off against other IMGers than the kids at St. Arbitrary of Lakes develop by competing with themselves.
C: Whether it's "nuts" has no bearing on whether it has value. And dollars aside, most of the transfers to IMG are coming from poorer districts. I'd estimate that IMG's boarding school/academy will deliver a superior education to the majority and perhaps all of those football transfers.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
I have a lot of fond memories at the Jacksonville Landing over the years, where the shootings were today.  
But I'm sure it's not a guns problem, right?
The president is silent, which means the shooter was white.
A man with "severe psychiatric problems" fatally stabbed his mother and sister and seriously wounded another woman west of Paris on Thursday, the French interior minister said.  The attacker was shot dead by police.                

France's Gerard Collomb said prosecutors are not treating the attack as terrorism. He said the attacker had serious mental health issues, although he had also been flagged for glorifying terrorism.

Collomb said the man killed his mother at home and stabbed the others outside in Trappes, a suburb in western Paris.

The Islamic State (ISIS) claimed responsibility for the attack on its Aamaq news agency. The terrorist group has a history of opportunistically claiming attacks. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
A man with "severe psychiatric problems" fatally stabbed his mother and sister and seriously wounded another woman west of Paris on Thursday, the French interior minister said.  The attacker was shot dead by police.                

France's Gerard Collomb said prosecutors are not treating the attack as terrorism. He said the attacker had serious mental health issues, although he had also been flagged for glorifying terrorism.

Collomb said the man killed his mother at home and stabbed the others outside in Trappes, a suburb in western Paris.

The Islamic State (ISIS) claimed responsibility for the attack on its Aamaq news agency. The terrorist group has a history of opportunistically claiming attacks.
Shocking. No, really. Shocking.
Loaded another cartridge this morning. I'm sure that is shocking too. Hah.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 09:58:04 AM
Another nice day in the works here, certainly warm but not humid.

82°F in Cincy at the moment and 78°F here.  The wife was talking about how much she loves the weather here as she enjoys heat, and I warned her this summer has been unusually "not hot", not even a 95°F high that I can recall.

Predicted high today is 90°F and we're a month past the usual high temperature.

France has really been suffering with very high heat and many have no AC.  A "typical" house there, or apartment, has very thick walls as they don't use wood in construction much.  The close the shutters and deal with residual coolness.

That works OK up to about 90°F or so.  My wife's very close friend is visiting next month and does not like nor have AC in her houses.  Welcome to Hotlantah.   We use AC copiously and like a lot of ice in our Cokes.

This place would be an incidental backwater without AC.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 27, 2018, 10:15:13 AM
A - if you're good, you'll get recruited, wherever you play
B - their development comes during practice, not waxing the other kids in games
C - the phrase "HS tuition" is nuts itself  
Suburbs = tuition for high school = white flight
A lot of these kids lack the funds for flight to the burbs. 
They get access to top of the line training, possibly better education. We can argue the larger point of the function and social elements, but there’s a good case everyone involved leaves the transaction better. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 27, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
Shocking. No, really. Shocking.
Loaded another cartridge this morning. I'm sure that is shocking too. Hah.
I’m trying to place the meaning of the term “cartridge” here. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 11:32:23 AM
This season’s football showdown between Grayson and Tucker will be part of the GEICO ESPN High School Football Kickoff.
It will be the third of four ESPN broadcasts Saturday, Aug. 25 with a 6 p.m. kickoff at Grayson. The game’s broadcast will be on ESPNU.
ESPN’s other high school broadcasts that day include Pinson Valley (Ala.) at Hoover (Ala.) at noon, followed by Cedar Grove vs. Hewitt-Trussville (Ala.) from Hoover at 3:30 p.m. Both of those games are on ESPN.
Apparently, Husker RB Recruit Ronald Tompkins II of Grayson injured his knee in this game
hopefully, nothing serious
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 11:40:42 AM
that seems a bit harsh  

a wee bit
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
The best thing for this place and politics is for no one to have any idea whether another poster is liberal or conservative or whatever.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
whatever is a good term
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 27, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
Why do I always get a notification whenever someone posts in the Nebraska thread?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 02:48:01 PM
because you're obsessed 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 27, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
Seriously though.

I didn't start the thread. Nor am I getting my posts quoted. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 02:59:19 PM
whatever is a good term
Whatever.
When my wife says it, it's usually not a "good term" at all.  It is similar to "Fine" and "Do what you want." and
"I don't care." and phrases of similar ilk.
Most of us know how to interpret what women say, usually.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 27, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Whatever.
When my wife says it, it's usually not a "good term" at all.  It is similar to "Fine" and "Do what you want." and
"I don't care." and phrases of similar ilk.
Most of us know how to interpret what women say, usually.

Yeah, all of those phrases suck for me too.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 27, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
Why do I always get a notification whenever someone posts in the Nebraska thread?
Would you rather we post to the 'welcome Nebraska to the Big10' thread. I thin FF managed to keep that on the 1st page for four years 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 04:30:25 PM
On another topic, I thought I'd share my one week experience renting a new Mustang convertible in LA.  The interesting feature was that it was the 4 cylinder engine of course, the V6 has been dropped by Ford, and the 10 speed transmission, which was codeveloped with GM and used in a number of applications.  The engine was uninspired in my book, adequate, but not enthusiastic, and of course it could not make V-8 noises.  The noise it did make was boring.  The transmission was fine for normal driving but it was pretty easy to confuse and had hesitant shifts in the mountains.  Even the paddle shifting was slow at times.  I did not at first realize it was the 10 speed driving out of SF in stop and go traffic.  So, for normal driving it was OK, but an 8 speed or even 6 speed would have been OK also I think.

The drop top is nice to have in CA  We drove across the GG Bridge with top down and that was pretty neat.  We drove around Lake Tahoe that way and it is nice.  I had rented something else but Enterprise didn't have any so she was offering me an upgrade like a minivan, and I said "How about the Mustang over there?" and she bit for a modest upcharge.

I didn't want a minivan for me and the wife.

Renting is a LOT cheaper in LV.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Well if you were in LA you're tied up in traffic so the 6 or 8 banger wouldn't help anyway
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 04:44:56 PM
The V8 sounds a lot better of course, and this was in SF, on a Friday, and we were headed northeast across the bay.

Gas prices were lower than I expected on the whole.  We found a Costco in Fairfield that was $3.40 I think for regular.

I saw $3.20 here in midtown at a Shell, but just filled up at Costco for $2.95 for premium.

We always walk out of that store with more than we figured.  Fortunately, I bought stock in COST a while back.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
Most of us know how to interpret what women say, usually.

Speak for yourself you must be the Board Babe whisperer
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 27, 2018, 04:48:22 PM
It's not really that hard.  Assume they mean the worst and you'll be close.

Worry if they say it smiling.

Worry more if they aren't.

Of course the wife just brought me two nice samiches in my Man Cave so I should shut up.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 27, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
The V8 sounds a lot better of course, and this was in SF, on a Friday, and we were headed northeast across the bay.

Gas prices were lower than I expected on the whole.  We found a Costco in Fairfield that was $3.40 I think for regular.

I saw $3.20 here in midtown at a Shell, but just filled up at Costco for $2.95 for premium.

We always walk out of that store with more than we figured.  Fortunately, I bought stock in COST a while back.
Costco is worth the membership for gas alone. Shell premium was $3.65 and Costco was at $2.85 this weekend. Directly across the street from each other. I always figure Costco saves me $.50/gallon on premium so each fill up save me about $10.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2018, 04:54:11 PM
It's not really that hard.  Assume they mean the worst and you'll be close.

Worry if they say it smiling.

Worry more if they aren't.
Thank You Obe Wan

Of course the wife just brought me two nice samiches in my Man Cave so I should shut up.
ya zip it!Zip it good
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 06:43:27 PM
Would you rather we post to the 'welcome Nebraska to the Big10' thread. I thin FF managed to keep that on the 1st page for four years
I could dredge it up
might take a while
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
It's not really that hard.  Assume they mean the worst and you'll be close.

Worry if they say it smiling.

Worry more if they aren't.

Of course the wife just brought me two nice samiches in my Man Cave so I should shut up.
shutting up works best for me
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2018, 07:09:14 PM
Would you rather we post to the 'welcome Nebraska to the Big10' thread. I thin FF managed to keep that on the 1st page for four years
Ain't that the truth talk about beating a dead horse or milking it for all its worth.It reminded me of politicians  hogging the floor of congress and go on one of those long winded diatribes to block the opposition from speaking
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
I could dredge it up
might take a while
The Horror
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 27, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
The drop top is nice to have in CA  We drove across the GG Bridge with top down and that was pretty neat.  We drove around Lake Tahoe that way and it is nice.  I had rented something else but Enterprise didn't have any so she was offering me an upgrade like a minivan, and I said "How about the Mustang over there?" and she bit for a modest upcharge.

The drop top can be a problem here in CA... It's hard to avoid sunburn! I've got a Jeep Wrangler and the wife and I were out a bit this weekend, and I got a little charred. 

Well if you were in LA you're tied up in traffic so the 6 or 8 banger wouldn't help anyway

I had to go to LA to see a customer today [60 miles, aka a 2 hour drive]. I need to swap pads and rotors on the front in my Ford Flex, so I was in the Jeep... I put the top up. 

Only issue, of course, was that it's a manual. So there was a LOT of clutch as I fought through traffic...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
The Horror
after the comparison to "politicians  hogging the floor of congress" I'm motivated
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
new redshirt rules went into effect. The new rule, allowing players to participate in up to four games while still maintaining their redshirt status, also means the travel roster is getting a bump. Announced Monday that the Big Ten will officially go from a 70- to 74-man travel roster this season to compensate for extra players that might play.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 27, 2018, 11:04:46 PM
I don't thnk l can enjoy driving nearly any 4 banger.   The high pitch wheeze, generally feeble torque, some exceptions .  Car rentals suck for this reason.  I remember when i test drove my car in a 4 cyl 2.0 vs the 6 3.0, I didn't leave the dealer property before returning the 4cyl. I do a fair amount of interstate driving at 70+, I'd hate it.  Of course I also hate the giant V8 SUV my wife drives though for different reasons.  Having said that, I'm roughing in an electric car charger in our house we are building.   Seems inevitable.

Wsj had a somber piece on the death of the sedan last weekend.  I'm not a gearhead but I do secretly want to buy a modest classic muscle car.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 11:31:27 PM
I've been thinking about buying a Corvette.  Always wanted one, haven't had one.  I gotta do it soon or I'll be too old to get in and out.

If I buy something it's going to be a daily driver and the Vette just isn't very practical for loading and unloading golf clubs.

I'd like to test drive one for a week to see if I could make it work.  No one wants to loan a guy nicknamed Fearless with my past record a car like that.

Not even my dentist - and his mostly sits in storage.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 27, 2018, 11:33:39 PM
I'm selling my 95 Jeep GC for $750.  Any takers??  I like my new little hatchback.  Makes a lot more sense in the city.  It even has air conditioning!
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 27, 2018, 11:41:46 PM
4-wheel drive?

I'd take it if it runs and drives decent

too bad it's a bit too far to transport
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 27, 2018, 11:50:17 PM
all-time 4wd, you can drive it anywhere.  Never had a problem with the engine...just everything else, lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 12:04:30 AM
I've been thinking about buying a Corvette.  Always wanted one, haven't had one.  I gotta do it soon or I'll be too old to get in and out.

If I buy something it's going to be a daily driver and the Vette just isn't very practical for loading and unloading golf clubs.

I'd like to test drive one for a week to see if I could make it work.  No one wants to loan a guy nicknamed Fearless with my past record a car like that.

Not even my dentist - and his mostly sits in storage.
Do it!!! When my wife went back to school, I downsized my car payment and hated my Ford Fusion. Really went the opposite direction after she graduated and driving to and from the office is changes my mood at work and I get home. Worth every penny. You only live once.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 06:29:12 AM
I'm used to 4 cylinder turbos.  The wife's Caddy had one with 295 ft-lbs of torque and I thought it drove better than the V6 in that application.  The current car is a GTI with a 4 banger, also 2.0 L, and it goes pretty well, doesn't sound great either.  The Mustang was "OK", I suppose I expected more from that engine.  The V-8 is worth it for the engine noise in a Mustang.

The good thing about turbo 4s is their torque which usually is better than an analogous V6 and flatter on the dyno.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
The 944 Turbo I had back in the day had a mean 4 banger.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 07:43:53 AM
The Mustang 2.3 L T "ecoboost" is rated at 310 hp and 350 ft-lbs, which is impressive, it just doesn't run like that.

The Porsche 944 S 3.0 L T had around 220 horsepower, and was considerably lighter than the Mustang.  For its time, it was fast and powerful.

Obviously, some cars are enjoyable to drive regardless of power and some are not.  This 'stang was not, for me.  It was "OK", too much like driving a Camry for example, "OK".

Our GTI 2.0 L T has 220 hp but runs well in part because it's a manual.  But even in 6th gear on the freeway, you can accelerate when needed without downshifting unless you really need to punch it.

Modern engines are amazing to me.

Our parking spaces are tight, and though we have two, they are 11 and 14, not side by side.  Folks with SUVs really cause issues especially if they are side by side.  I want to rent our extra space but the wife says no.  They go for $60 a month.



Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 28, 2018, 07:46:00 AM
Oh gawd, we’ve descended into car talk, a world I know nothing about. 

I have a Camry. It gets me places. It will be driven to its death, then likely replaced by another used Camry.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 07:54:31 AM
The Porsche 944 S 3.0 L T had around 220 horsepower, and was considerably lighter than the Mustang.  For its time, it was fast and powerful.
For its time, I had that sucker at 160 between Janesville and Madison. :)
Mine had a 2.5 L.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 08:16:06 AM
Yeah, there seem to be folks interested, infatuated with cars, and those who see them solely as something to get you from A to B reliably and in some level of comfort.

The latter group is probably a lot more sensible and spends less on "toys".

I survived the "Corvette phase", barely.  Our experiences with 19" wheels and 35 profile tires on the Cadillac partially cured me of that disease.  The Corvette also is a large car to be navigating city streets and parking, and you can't drive it much of anywhere to a fraction of its potential, even the base model.

I can punch the GTI a bit for a minor thrill without being extremely extra legal in 4 seconds, and it handles well for a FWD car.  I had a "bias" for RWD cars because of handling issues which seem to be fairly well solved for many FWD cars.

Kid 2 has a Chevy Cruze Diesel that gets over 60 mpg highway.  It has a manual, and Kid 1 has my old Sonic that has a manual, so all three cars here are manuals.  The daughter in France has a Polo Diesel with a manual of course.  Nobody else has a car.  We are a clutch family.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 28, 2018, 08:48:50 AM
my new toy (other than the site, here) is a 89 f150... it has the 'mazda' 5speed, and it isn't happy with what I've done to the engine which is firmly twice the torque rating of that transmission... so... a ZF top load 5speed will go in there when i get the time, fortunately it's a simple bolt on with the only 'problem' being a new driveshaft will be required for both the front and rear axle.  the ZF tailshaft is a bit longer.  

speaking of the site, here:

all y'all hold your shift key and hit either the refresh button or f5.  the site is 100% on the 'new' server now, and not relying in any way on the 'old' server- which goes dark later today for the final time.  for a bit there last week the site was going down and i couldn't understand why- it was because a bunch of IP's and URL's were still resolving to the 'old' server... i caught that by luck alone... it's a biyatch when the same domain name takes you to one of two servers with mucho different IP's, which have similar enough structure that once on 'one', it pretty much stays there.  so.  i fixed it and fixed a few files i haven't visited in a long time... the site should be less clumsy now with strange error's (such as forbidden errors... you were authenticated on one server but not the other was the primary reason for those- this tact is great while using stacks of servers to spread the load, but is hella insecure.  i like secure.  the new way is better).  

^just in time for the season, huh?

i will ask for your help, though... i've somewhat overhauled the mobile site.  can y'all give it a look and tell me what else needs to be done?  I've got about 85~90% of it done, but i only have four devices to check it on.  
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 28, 2018, 09:03:36 AM
I have a Camry. It gets me places. It will be driven to its death, then likely replaced by another used Camry.
Pretty much my M.O.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 28, 2018, 10:20:29 AM
I'm currently looking at buying a pickup, and the one I like most right now is the Ford F150 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo Ecoboost.  Its performance without a load is really impressive.  

It can also tow up to 11,500, which is a good thing because my new RV trailer is just about maxing out my old Tahoe.

(Yes, FF, I'm about to abandon the SUV and join the world of trucks, but only because they've stopped making 3/4 ton SUVs)

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 28, 2018, 12:04:01 PM
Yeah, there seem to be folks interested, infatuated with cars, and those who see them solely as something to get you from A to B reliably and in some level of comfort.

The latter group is probably a lot more sensible and spends less on "toys".
Oddly enough, I'm in a middle area here... I really like cars, but not so much that they're a priority for me. I like driving fast--and I avoid buying fast cars because I know that. 
I always wanted a Jeep Wrangler, so I bought one a few years ago after I retired the Ford Ranger I'd owned for 10 years. When I got divorced, though, I needed something other than the Jeep to haul the kids around. Now I have the Jeep as my "toy" and my Flex as the family hauler. Sadly, the Jeep spends too much time in the garage to the point where I sometimes wonder if I should sell it... But it's still cheap to own, so I am hanging on.

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Kid 2 has a Chevy Cruze Diesel that gets over 60 mpg highway.  It has a manual, and Kid 1 has my old Sonic that has a manual, so all three cars here are manuals.  The daughter in France has a Polo Diesel with a manual of course.  Nobody else has a car.  We are a clutch family.
They're a dying breed, and that's sad. My Jeep is a 6 speed manual. But when I had to get a family hauler, it was basically impossible to find anything with 3rd row seating and a manual. It's nearly impossible to find a sedan in all but the base-model trim with a manual. 
I worry that the Jeep might be the last manual I ever own...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
You can get a top of the line Caddy ATS-V with a manual still.  I think.  They are a dying breed.  I was interested in a BMW 240i with a manual, nice car, but not as practical, duh, and pricier.  The 2013 CTS-V station wagon had manuals as a possible option.  That car made no sense of course.

The hypercars today are all automatics.  The cars like the Corvettes are faster with the auto than a manual.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 01:02:45 PM
my new toy (other than the site, here) is a 89 f150... it has the 'mazda' 5speed, and it isn't happy with what I've done to the engine which is firmly twice the torque rating of that transmission... so... a ZF top load 5speed will go in there when i get the time, fortunately it's a simple bolt on with the only 'problem' being a new driveshaft will be required for both the front and rear axle.  the ZF tailshaft is a bit longer.  

speaking of the site, here:

all y'all hold your shift key and hit either the refresh button or f5.  the site is 100% on the 'new' server now, and not relying in any way on the 'old' server- which goes dark later today for the final time.  for a bit there last week the site was going down and i couldn't understand why- it was because a bunch of IP's and URL's were still resolving to the 'old' server... i caught that by luck alone... it's a biyatch when the same domain name takes you to one of two servers with mucho different IP's, which have similar enough structure that once on 'one', it pretty much stays there.  so.  i fixed it and fixed a few files i haven't visited in a long time... the site should be less clumsy now with strange error's (such as forbidden errors... you were authenticated on one server but not the other was the primary reason for those- this tact is great while using stacks of servers to spread the load, but is hella insecure.  i like secure.  the new way is better).  

^just in time for the season, huh?

i will ask for your help, though... i've somewhat overhauled the mobile site.  can y'all give it a look and tell me what else needs to be done?  I've got about 85~90% of it done, but i only have four devices to check it on.  
Seems to look OK, but I'm not a big mobile user for much of anything.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on August 28, 2018, 02:59:39 PM
my new toy (other than the site, here) is a 89 f150... it has the 'mazda' 5speed, and it isn't happy with what I've done to the engine which is firmly twice the torque rating of that transmission... so... a ZF top load 5speed will go in there when i get the time, fortunately it's a simple bolt on with the only 'problem' being a new driveshaft will be required for both the front and rear axle.  the ZF tailshaft is a bit longer.  

speaking of the site, here:

all y'all hold your shift key and hit either the refresh button or f5.  the site is 100% on the 'new' server now, and not relying in any way on the 'old' server- which goes dark later today for the final time.  for a bit there last week the site was going down and i couldn't understand why- it was because a bunch of IP's and URL's were still resolving to the 'old' server... i caught that by luck alone... it's a biyatch when the same domain name takes you to one of two servers with mucho different IP's, which have similar enough structure that once on 'one', it pretty much stays there.  so.  i fixed it and fixed a few files i haven't visited in a long time... the site should be less clumsy now with strange error's (such as forbidden errors... you were authenticated on one server but not the other was the primary reason for those- this tact is great while using stacks of servers to spread the load, but is hella insecure.  i like secure.  the new way is better).  

^just in time for the season, huh?

i will ask for your help, though... i've somewhat overhauled the mobile site.  can y'all give it a look and tell me what else needs to be done?  I've got about 85~90% of it done, but i only have four devices to check it on.  
Thread listings overflow beyond 100% width for me (galaxy S5),  otherwise no issues.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
For its time, I had that sucker at 160 between Janesville and Madison. :)
Mine had a 2.5 L.
Speed is overrated :0 My daily driver is a Panamera. It's quite heavy, but it feels like I'm floating on air and it has enough getty up in Sport Plus mode to get around annoying traffic. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 03:31:58 PM
(Yes, FF, I'm about to abandon the SUV and join the world of trucks, but only because they've stopped making 3/4 ton SUVs)


I hope and pray you will be very satisfied.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Speed is overrated :0 My daily driver is a Panamera. It's quite heavy, but it feels like I'm floating on air and it has enough getty up in Sport Plus mode to get around annoying traffic.
I could never drive that 944 today. I like the cushion now.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
You can get a top of the line Caddy ATS-V with a manual still.  I think.  They are a dying breed.  I was interested in a BMW 240i with a manual, nice car, but not as practical, duh, and pricier.  The 2013 CTS-V station wagon had manuals as a possible option.  That car made no sense of course.

The hypercars today are all automatics.  The cars like the Corvettes are faster with the auto than a manual.
I grew up driving "sticks" and enjoy them today when I have the opportunity to drive one, but when pursuing sites for a Vette I pass over the manuals and the convertibles. 
I'm getting lazy in my old age and don't need the shifting.  The Convertibles lack storage room for the golf clubs.
I have also looked at the CTS-V with the 6.2, but the selection is small in this part of the high plains
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 04:36:12 PM
Speed is overrated :0 My daily driver is a Panamera. It's quite heavy, but it feels like I'm floating on air and it has enough getty up in Sport Plus mode to get around annoying traffic.
was looking at a used Panamera, but the hatch just didn't look right to me.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 28, 2018, 05:26:13 PM
Going from the offseason to the regular season with a nice little upgrade to my title at work--and a commensurate upgrade to the paycheck.

(https://i.imgur.com/nZwxflC.png)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 06:00:39 PM
I spent a day driving a CTS-V and ATS-V on a track.  Great fun, but the CTS-V on a normal street would be a waste IMHO.

A lot of higher end cars today are that way, too much for the street.  You tap maybe 30% of their capability.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 06:26:19 PM

That is one of the reasons I didn't spring for an AMG version of my car. Silly.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
was looking at a used Panamera, but the hatch just didn't look right to me.
Drive it once and your entire mindset will change. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 28, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Going from the offseason to the regular season with a nice little upgrade to my title at work--and a commensurate upgrade to the paycheck.

(https://i.imgur.com/nZwxflC.png)
That's awesome, congrats!
Last year when I took a new role at my same company, it was supposed to be a lateral move, but it ended up having a REALLY nice bump in pay even in the same job grade.  Probably means they've been underpaying me for a couple of years, but whatever, I'll take it! :)
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 07:22:17 PM
Drive it once and your entire mindset will change.
I drove one when I was looking into a new car. I couldn't justify the expense so I went M-B for less money. Better maintenance plan (free 4 years with the certified used). My commute is 6 blocks.
The Porsche is super nice though. Please tell me you know the correct way to say it, since you own one.
I also had a 928S after the 944T. Not nearly as impressed with that car as I was with the 944T, and it was a lot more money. Risky Business and all that...
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 28, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
I tested a Macan and liked it but then thought this isn't a Porsche.  Plus I'd be the only dood driving one. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 28, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Oddly enough, I'm in a middle area here... I really like cars, but not so much that they're a priority for me. I like driving fast--and I avoid buying fast cars because I know that.
I always wanted a Jeep Wrangler, so I bought one a few years ago after I retired the Ford Ranger I'd owned for 10 years. When I got divorced, though, I needed something other than the Jeep to haul the kids around. Now I have the Jeep as my "toy" and my Flex as the family hauler. Sadly, the Jeep spends too much time in the garage to the point where I sometimes wonder if I should sell it... 
It was about 10 years ago now, that I moved out to the Navajo Reservation with a tiny '02 Saturn SL1.  Three tires later, from the rutted, washboard 20-mile dirt roads, I realized I needed something else.
I end up getting the Jeep I'm now selling - 1995 Grand Cherokee 5.2 all-time 4wd.  It's nothing special really, but it was way more oomph than I had never had before.  Bought it in the Flagstaff Mall parking lot for $2300.  Figured I'd have it a couple years.
That thing was a beast, turns out.  Either it was stubborn and tough or I was dumb enough to keep spending money on it.  But it could go anywhere.  I refuse to believe a Wranger could go anywhere I couldn't.  I'd been in inches-deep mud, vertical mountainsides well over 45 degrees, and all other kind of hellacious weather and road conditions, and it plunged right through it all.  I'd venture to say I couldn't get it stuck if I tried.  
SDF would probably know this to be true, but when you fall down off the crown of a muddy-ass dirt road on the Rez, you're basically done for.  But I could shift it down to 4-Lo and just climb back up onto the road.  It was a marvel.
But I move down to Phx last year.  No AC in the Jeep got real old, real fast.  I love it now, I really do.  But I finally bought something made this century and no reason to put another dollar into my Jeep.  When I bought it, I knew nothing about cars, but now, mainly due to being potentially stranded muliple times, I'm comfortable doing major surgery on a vehicle laying on the side of the interstate.  Made easier by having so much ground clearance, I could comfortably lay under it.  
Anyhow, it's at 250,000 miles and still no issues with the engine, so might as well let someone else fall in love with it, while kicking it, yelling and screaming.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2018, 08:16:35 PM
I tested a Macan and liked it but then thought this isn't a Porsche.  Plus I'd be the only dood driving one.
I rode in one of those. May as well buy a VW of the same ilk if you can't take advantage of the performance. And then, yeah, soccer mom car. Albeit a rich soccer mom. Heh.
Mrs. 847 is driving a (new to her) 2015 GLK 350. I traded the 2013 for this one just a month ago. 8,200 miles on it and she loves it. M-B doesn't make that model anymore and the POS they replaced it with it is, well, a POS.
I'm souring on M-B. It's no longer what it once was. I wouldn't ever consider getting one of those GLA cars, much less the new A series they are coming at us with. They are going the BMW road - cheapening their brand. X1? Shit, drive one of those things and let me know what you think. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 09:36:56 PM
I drove one when I was looking into a new car. I couldn't justify the expense so I went M-B for less money. Better maintenance plan (free 4 years with the certified used). My commute is 6 blocks.
The Porsche is super nice though. Please tell me you know the correct way to say it, since you own one.
I also had a 928S after the 944T. Not nearly as impressed with that car as I was with the 944T, and it was a lot more money. Risky Business and all that...
Of course it’s “porsh a” 
I test drive one in late 2016 when they were about to change the model, but I couldn’t justify the expense. I told the guy that have took a turn-in with low miles from someone upgrading to the new model to call me. A month later he called. Someone turned in a 2014 with 4400 miles. Guy leased it for 3 years and put 4400 miles on it. I gladly let him take the depreciation on the chin.

I like a lot of M-B’s but this was the dream car so I couldn’t pass. Was able to put my wife into hers. She drives a QX-80. Thing is a beast. Space is necessary with two kids.

Buddy of mine picked up the ultimate yesterday, Riviera Blue GT3. It’s stunning. I would not survive driving that. Too much car.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Drive it once and your entire mindset will change.
I don't doubt this
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
I snooped around in our garage here before deciding to buy (the wife had already decided).  I wanted to make sure the cars were "up to snuff".  They were.

Somebody has a mint Crosley convertible that he drives a lot, in yellow.  No Vettes, but a lot of Jags and Mercs and Bimmers and Porsches and of course SUVs of various and sundry makes.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 28, 2018, 09:55:36 PM
I've been quite pleased w the A6, 3.0.  It's fast, very quiet on the highway on long rides and the interface is by far my favorite thing.  Fits my tall frame well.   32mpg on freeway .

The headroom in these crossovers is insufferable to me, add a moon roof and they suck for anybody over 6 ft. F ing CAFE standards squeezing headroom.

That Flex is a good exception, though not really a cross over.  I'd rent that again in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 09:59:35 PM
when I pretty much talked myself out of the not so practical Vette, I started looking at BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Cadillac, and Audi

just need a change of pace from the truck.  nothing wrong with the truck, rides great, practical, gets over 20mpg on the open road.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on August 28, 2018, 10:06:13 PM
Speed is overrated :0 My daily driver is a Panamera. It's quite heavy, but it feels like I'm floating on air and it has enough getty up in Sport Plus mode to get around annoying traffic.
Lol what? The Panamera is ridiculously fast. I hit 177 in a 4S. Allegedly.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 10:10:12 PM
when I pretty much talked myself out of the not so practical Vette, I started looking at BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Cadillac, and Audi

just need a change of pace from the truck.  nothing wrong with the truck, rides great, practical, gets over 20mpg on the open road.
What’s your daily drive? Mostly highway, city? How long are you in the car?
I’ve always thought a car was a dumb expense, then I built a house a ways from my office and I realized things change.
Out of your group, Audi, Mercedes & Porsche would be at the top of my list. I don’t like the A4 and lower, but the A6 are nice and ride very well. Take your pick with Porsche and MB.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 28, 2018, 10:47:55 PM

That Flex is a good exception, though not really a cross over.  I'd rent that again in a heartbeat.
It's comfortable. I'm 6'5" and fit great. It's like a La-Z-Boy on the road. 12 hour road trip? No problem. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SuperMario on August 28, 2018, 11:03:59 PM
Lol what? The Panamera is ridiculously fast. I hit 177 in a 4S. Allegedly.
In my younger days I would have pulled that nonsense. With tiny humans at home, there’s no reason to mess around. Although, I’ll say it’s way to easy to blink and accidentally be doing 90. The car feels the same at 90 as it does at 40. It’s so smooth.  Top end speed could be considered fast, but it’s way too heavy to be quick. Buddy of mine has an S4 with all kinds of nonsense and computer chips that bring it to 600 hp. It’s terrifyingly quick. I rode in it once and never again.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 28, 2018, 11:14:24 PM
What’s your daily drive? Mostly highway, city? How long are you in the car?
I’ve always thought a car was a dumb expense, then I built a house a ways from my office and I realized things change.
Out of your group, Audi, Mercedes & Porsche would be at the top of my list. I don’t like the A4 and lower, but the A6 are nice and ride very well. Take your pick with Porsche and MB.
7 mile commute one-way, 2-lane blacktop, 2 stop signs, no traffic lights.  10-minutes on average
15 minute drive to the grocery store or the bar/restaurant or the golf course - rural highway, can't call any of it city.  a few stop lights.
I'd like the car for trips to - Lincoln, 2 hours, interstate - Minneapolis, 4 hours, interstate, - Austin, 13 hours, interstate.  Out of town golf courses 1, 2, 3 hours away.
I'm a German car guy if I'm not looking at a Chevy or Caddy.  Almost pulled the trigger on a 2009 Audi S8 v10 awd Sedan a couple years ago.
What's the knock on Bimmers?
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 29, 2018, 07:35:03 AM
I hope and pray you will be very satisfied.
So far so good, I love the way it drives.
I'll tell you more after i've towed upgrade, but I don't expect it to have any problems.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 29, 2018, 07:43:35 AM
Almost every car made today is safe, reliable, comfortable, quick, etc.  I was unsure how the GTI would be on the road but we drove it to Cincy and back with no issues.  The CTS had a fairly hard ride and you felt bumps a lot, it had 19" wheels when they were not getting bent.  The GTI works well around town obviously and has decent room in the back.

Smaller diameter rims are almost always better, less weight, better ride, equal handling.

Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2018, 07:51:18 AM

What's the knock on Bimmers?
Not going to speak for everyone, but from my experience, test driving them (small SUV's) and M-B (small SUV's), they were night and day. One felt like a tin can and the other felt like a very comfortable tank. We went with the tank. 
When it came time for me to start looking, I didn't bother with BMW. Looked at M-B, Porsche and Audi.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 29, 2018, 08:02:24 AM
My Bimmer neighbor friend likes the 'driving machine' quality of it,   you feel the road he says.    Yeah,  I don't want to feel the road.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2018, 08:13:08 AM
I didn't like feeling the parking lot.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 29, 2018, 08:24:44 AM
Speed is NOT overrated!   Just traded in my Hellcat Charger. ( talk about sick fast)
For this:

https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs3/2018/build.html?pr=default-rs3limo-2018-8V (https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs3/2018/build.html?pr=default-rs3limo-2018-8V)

Love it. Comes with 400 HP ( it’s now over 500 he he ) all wheel drive and a virtual cockpit. Great car.   They only sod them in Europe until last fall.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 29, 2018, 08:36:11 AM
Mrs. 847 is driving a (new to her) 2015 GLK 350. I traded the 2013 for this one just a month ago. 8,200 miles on it and she loves it. 
Without meaning an ounce of disrespect, this is so antithetical to the way I was raised, thinking about doing it makes my skin crawl. (The trading and car newness, not your wife getting something nice).
Not that I’m right in any particular way, but it’s interesting the influence family weilds on our outlook. 
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 29, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
BMWs today are largely living on reputation of being a "driver's machine" kind of thing.  They softened them up a lot in the last redesign to appeal to more people.  They lost the edge.  The redesigned 530i appears to have gone back to their roots.

HOWEVER, it is a rare driver who can both tell a difference and make that difference amount to anything on the street.  Most Bimmer owners drive them the same way Accord owners drive Accords.  

When I rode my bicycle a lot, I would pass other students going up hills easily because they were plodding along in the wrong dang gear.  I yell "down shift!" as I went by and they appeared to have no idea the bike had "gears" for some reason.  They had expensive bikes and no clue how to use them.

Cars are the same way.  A Honda Accord is a very nice car, plenty fast with the turbo, and handles well for a FWD car.  Don't pay $15 K extra for a Bimmer unless you know how to drive it and appreciate that aspect of it.  It likely doesn't accelerate any faster if you bought the 330i versus the Accord 2.0 T.  Both have the same size engines and the FWD drive train is more efficient.

I like to go out into the country on occasions or up in the mountains and push the car a bit, but not that much.  A deer could be around the next curve.  I'll save my fast driving for the track, which I have done twice in my life.

Why get a 460 hp Corvette when you can only really use 200 hp?  Heaven forbid you shell out for the ZR1 Corvette.

Some cars today are crazy.
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on August 29, 2018, 09:07:22 AM
What's the knock on Bimmers?
I'd assert the biggest knock on a BMW, is the mindset of the person driving it. 
https://jalopnik.com/science-confirms-that-bmw-and-prius-drivers-are-the-wor-1120783177
Title: Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
Without meaning an ounce of disrespect, this is so antithetical to the way I was raised, thinking