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Topic: 2018 Season Stream of Completely Off-Topic Unconsciousness

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #266 on: April 04, 2018, 02:51:32 PM »
This is, again, very disturbing.

We don't need more crises in this country.
When I was in school, I took a fascinating money and banking Econ class. Turned most of the curriculum on its head. 
But the professor kept emphasizing our savings rate nationally was about zero. That was in 2008 right before some stuff happened. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #267 on: April 04, 2018, 02:53:23 PM »
The past 2 years I've contributed the max allowed to my 401k ($18k I believe) and even before that I still contributed at least 6-10% of each payhpayc pre-tax to my 401k for years so I've already got a decent retirement fund going for a 34 year old. That plus Railroad Retirement which we pay into instead of Social Security (and is a hell of a lot better than Social Security) hopefully means I'll be set when I can retire at age 60.

As my dad, who himself saved the max allowed to his 401k for many many years prior to his retirement, warned me: the only thing worse than being old is being old and poor.
Very, very nice. 
I usually contribute up the the max match on 401k and put the rest into a mix of stock indexes and a Roth IRA. Granted, I might be on the verge of needing to go regular IRA. 

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #268 on: April 04, 2018, 03:05:21 PM »
The limits on Roth have pissed me off for a long time. MF'rs.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #269 on: April 04, 2018, 04:31:37 PM »
I'm in the process of moving as much as possible to Roth each year.  not much is possible
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #270 on: April 04, 2018, 04:34:59 PM »
 That was in 2008 right before some stuff happened.
and did that stuff change anything?
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #271 on: April 04, 2018, 04:46:01 PM »
My bud with the golf r is selling it.. Thing plants over 400 ponies to the ground.  He spoke of how fast it is, but also... He hates not driving it... Meaning: all the assistive crap on it takes all the fun out of driving... He said early entry late apex is almost impossible as it tries to correct your trajectory, as a for instance, but the next time around same turn it doesnt attempt the assist, making anticipating what its going to do impossible. 

Helluva car.  Dangerous for experienced drivers.  Go figure.  

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #272 on: April 04, 2018, 04:49:21 PM »
and did that stuff change anything?
Did for me. I'd already BE retired had the sub-prime bulljive never existed.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #273 on: April 04, 2018, 05:09:41 PM »
fortunately, I've been in the same 1,000 sq.ft house in small town Iowa since 1989.

If not for the Ex-wife I'd have only had to purchase it once and I'd be retired as well.

Or be living in a larger house much closer to the golf course and bemoaning the subprime mortgage crisis
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #275 on: April 04, 2018, 06:05:09 PM »
until i was around 40 i didn't give two damns about 'future'... up until around 34~35 'future' was enough to get me through the next R&R and a few more tales to tell if i was lucky.  

that changed when i got married and now have kids, and i'm behind the power curve.  i've put back a little over 150k in that amount of time (401 and other holdings), and have increased holdings in non-liquid assets (real estate-while also going into debt- on the property)... it isn't going to be enough.  The VA kicks a nice payment to me monthly, hardly worth what i lost to get it, but... it's there so long as the gov't is solvent.  so there is that... but... it isn't enough, either.  

maybe you guys can set me straight... 

my plan is instead of attempting to gain via saving, to gain via spending- getting independent businesses off the ground and turning a small profit on each of them else dumping them for the next opportunity.  I had a good business going when i first got out of the Marine Corps, and another following that (weekend merchandising, then a cigar shop) but got all patriotic and sentimental going back into the defense industry post 9/11..... and it payed(s) well enough to make a guy lazy and lose ambition......... which is something that has been rekindled since the kid.  hence why i jumped all over the opportunity to do this site- it's not made a penny yet, but, it is the opening for traffic and hopes to use it to gain access to other things (that will support this place and push it further into where we want it to go)... and.... that is pretty much the idea/plan. 

bad idea?  it's not like thought about this when i was younger- well... i did, but figured i'd be out of here a lot sooner so it was ridiculous to consider 'saving'.  

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #276 on: April 04, 2018, 07:32:46 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html


Read it.
Part of the problem, for sure. But there weren't enough low income and minority home buyers to cause the problem we had. The banks also dramatically eased the rules for everyone on mortgage credit, so when we went to buy our first house (2004), the banks were willing to lend us about 33% more than we thought we could pay back (we said no thanks). That's not the way it's supposed to work; the banks (who have all the actuarial tables and know the likelihood of default) should be telling us no, not the other way around. But there was a quick buck to be made to help the quarterly profits. And then they figured out they could slice and repackage these mortgages and sell them as securities, making another quick buck, but also risking huge amounts of credit in the event of a downturn in the real estate market.

So yes, the changes at Fannie were part of the problem, but a much bigger part of the problem was the conduct of the bankers/investors (PS, they became the same in the name of "deregulation" -- both parties get the blame) who focused on the quarterlies rather than the long-term prospects of these lending and investment practices.

And then, imagine that, the housing market turned, and when it did, the whole thing imploded. And people say, but "those people" shouldn't have borrowed that much! And they are right, they shouldn't have. Nor should the banks have loaned it. But when houses all around you go into foreclosure, driving down the value of your house--that you COULD afford under the traditional guidelines--and that puts you underwater, despite traditional, conservative decision making, and you are put in a massive whole.
And when investment cash dries up because of the massive market downturn, businesses start pulling way back and downsizing, leaving people with smaller salaries or just out of work--at the same time that their primary financial asset has lost its value.

LOTS of perfectly well meaning and conservative living people were hurt by this, and it wasn't just the result of Fannie's changes. Those changes contributed, yes, but they were far from the only, or even the most significant cause.

To be clear, I was largely insulated from this. My employer froze salaries for a while, but I live and work in a relatively strong economic area. My house lost value, but I sold it before it lost much, and bought another that was not in distress, but had lost significant value, allowing me to get in a place I probably otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford. My investments lost a lot of value, but I'm in the prime of my earning years and knew not to sell because I didn't have to.

People who needed that investment then, though were at much greater risk, and thus were much more likely to do desperate things.

Again, not just a case of people not planning well enough.
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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #277 on: April 04, 2018, 10:05:02 PM »
My bud with the golf r is selling it.. Thing plants over 400 ponies to the ground.  He spoke of how fast it is, but also... He hates not driving it... Meaning: all the assistive crap on it takes all the fun out of driving... He said early entry late apex is almost impossible as it tries to correct your trajectory, as a for instance, but the next time around same turn it doesnt attempt the assist, making anticipating what its going to do impossible.

Helluva car.  Dangerous for experienced drivers.  Go figure.  
I got to drive a Cadillac CTS-V on the track in Austin, COTA, a Formula 1 track.  The car was too much for me for the most part, driving something like that on a street struck me as absurd.  The wife and I are about to buy a VW GTI as our sole car, with a manual.  I think it will be "sufficient", to use an old Rolls term.
The condo purchase is perking along nicely I think.  The financials got a bit complicated but I think I have them sorted now.  Without the Feds biting too hard.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #278 on: April 04, 2018, 10:05:55 PM »
And the market for houses here in Cincy is incredibly tight, and we're about to be selling into that.

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Re: 2018 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #279 on: April 04, 2018, 10:57:32 PM »
Did for me. I'd already BE retired had the sub-prime bulljive never existed.
Out of curiosity (not to pry), does this mean if property had stayed near peak-bubble value you'd be retired, or that you had investments that went belly up at that point and didn't recover?

 

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