2018-2019 B1G Basketball Thread

[ELA]

Just saw the end of regulation of PSU-Purdue, which brought up what has been IMO a consistent problem with review.  They can only review who the ball went off of, but not a foul.  Seems like this happens at least once a week.  Yes, the ball went off PSU...only because the Purdue defender slapped 100% arm and got none of the ball.  But because they can't review for a foul, they just have to say PSU touched the ball last.  I think it's the biggest issue with using replay in that scenario, but I don't want officials to be able to call fouls on review, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

All in all, it may have been the highest scoring bad offensive game I've ever seen.  PSU kept dribbling into trouble and getting bailed out with fouls, and Purdue just kept jacking up awful threes that on that night were largely going in.  I like at one point the announcers talked about PSUs "adjustments" on Edwards, leading to him making just one three in the second half.  They did nothing different, just if you rely on shooting doible teamed threes from five feet behind the line, you probably aren't going to keep making them.

[betarhoalphadelta]

When I went to school, a high school buddy went there.
That Thanksgiving we joked I got the party school with sports, he got one with a beach (and more blondes)

As mentioned in another thread, she and I went to UCSB a few weekends ago and it was my first time seeing the campus. That was the day of the IU@Purdue game when I saw video on social media of fans trudging through a blizzard to get into the stadium. It was 70 and sunny in SB... A little different than West Lafayette!

[betarhoalphadelta]

Just saw the end of regulation of PSU-Purdue, which brought up what has been IMO a consistent problem with review.  They can only review who the ball went off of, but not a foul.  Seems like this happens at least once a week.  Yes, the ball went off PSU...only because the Purdue defender slapped 100% arm and got none of the ball.  But because they can't review for a foul, they just have to say PSU touched the ball last.  I think it's the biggest issue with using replay in that scenario, but I don't want officials to be able to call fouls on review, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

Yeah, a weird game from the refs. That's why I was offering the refs and the foul disparity as an observation, but not overly griping about the refs "favoring" PSU, even though the foul/FT disparity was LARGE. Purdue really got away with one there at the end that likely would have decided the game if it had been called. 
I think the refs were just terrible in this one in general. 

All in all, it may have been the highest scoring bad offensive game I've ever seen.  PSU kept dribbling into trouble and getting bailed out with fouls, and Purdue just kept jacking up awful threes that on that night were largely going in.  I like at one point the announcers talked about PSUs "adjustments" on Edwards, leading to him making just one three in the second half.  They did nothing different, just if you rely on shooting doible teamed threes from five feet behind the line, you probably aren't going to keep making them.

Honestly, Purdue relied too much on the 3 ball, but when you're shooting 55% from behind the arc, can you blame them? 
One of the issues, though, is that with Tre Williams in foul trouble so much, we didn't develop as much of a post game as we normally would. And beyond that, it seemed like we weren't getting a lot of foul calls on drives, so Carsen and Nojel didn't drive to the rim as much as usual. PSU was just driving consistently and WAS getting the foul calls, so it seemed like they saw that and kept doing it deliberately. 

[boilerbanger]

The whole second half it felt like a game we were going to lose because our offense seemed to be just jacking 3's and we couldn't get a stop and a rebound at the same time.  Evan B did not look good last night, we lose a lot of defensive rebounding with him in there and on the offensive end he doesn't really stretch the floor with an outside shot like I was hoping he could do.  Happy to get out with a win, but damn I am just still not sure how we did it.

[boilerbanger]

So I am interested it what others think about Michigan.  I am getting the sense that they may have peaked too early.  I have watched some of their recent games and just not blown me away.  The OSU game was a tough one and if OSU could hit a 3 or not do stupid things it would have been a lot closer.  They just don't seem as dominant as they were earlier.  Oddly enough, even though they stomped us earlier in the year, I would like to see them in the BTT before seeing Mich St again.  I Michigan caught us at a good time for them, but they don't scare me.

[boilerbanger]

He hosts a great college basketball podcast.  I would highly recommend it.

What is the name of the podcast?  I searched and couldn't find it.

[medinabuckeye1]

So I am interested it what others think about Michigan.  I am getting the sense that they may have peaked too early.  I have watched some of their recent games and just not blown me away.  The OSU game was a tough one and if OSU could hit a 3 or not do stupid things it would have been a lot closer.  They just don't seem as dominant as they were earlier.  Oddly enough, even though they stomped us earlier in the year, I would like to see them in the BTT before seeing Mich St again.  I Michigan caught us at a good time for them, but they don't scare me.

As an Ohio State fan that game was frustrating to watch.  Michigan's D has been lights out and in that game the Buckeyes shot only 36.5% including a dismal 23.8% from behind the arc but, watching the game, it seemed like the Buckeyes got plenty of open looks and just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.  I don't remember when it was during the game but the announcers at one point talked about Ohio State's misses and commented that the possession was good from Ohio State's perspective, they got the look they wanted, they just flat missed.  I didn't feel like Michigan's D was suffocating, I just felt like the Buckeyes couldn't shoot straight.  
Not that Ohio State necessarily would have won, but the game would have at least been competitive if they could have made a normal % of reasonably open looks from long range.  Ironically, our post guy was 2-2 behind the arc but the rest of the team went 3-19:

• 1-2 Andre Wesson
• 1-3 Muhammad
• 0-2 Jallow
• 0-1 Jackson
• 0-3 Ahrens
• 1-5 Washington Jr.
• 0-3 Woods

It probably wouldn't have mattered because the Buckeyes lost by 16 so they would have needed to make six more threes to win and 11-21 isn't very realistic.  That said, if they had made just two more they'd have been at a pretty reasonable 7-21 and lost by 10 or if they had made three or four more they would have been around 40% and been within 4-7 points.  

On the other part of what went wrong for Ohio State, the Buckeyes committed 19 turnovers.  Yikes!  You aren't going to win a lot of games doing that.  Some of that is obviously a credit to Michigan's defense but I also thought there were a lot of "stupid things" done by Ohio State.  A fair number of those turnovers were just stupid unforced errors that I can't explain.  

All-in-all, I view the Buckeyes as a borderline tournament team.  My guess is that when the season ends Ohio State is either going to be a 8-11 seed type "barely-made-it" team or a high seed in the NIT.  Going into the Michigan game, at their place no less, I thought of the Wolverines as a #1 or #2 seed type team and expected them to run the Buckeyes out of the gym.  Coming from that perspective I was not impressed with the Wolverines.  I felt like the Buckeyes had a terrible shooting night and made a bunch of dumb mistakes and otherwise could have won.  If you had told me before the game that Ohio State was going to have 19 turnovers and miss a slew of open three-pointers I would have guessed that the Wolverines would win by 30+.  

[ELA]

What is the name of the podcast?  I searched and couldn't find it.

One Shining Podcast

[Anonymous Coward]

(1) Welp

(2) Beilein's worst reputation with M fans is for the 2-foul autobench for the rest of the 1st half always and no matter what. I think tonight proves how that just isn't viable with Teske this year. The team truly requires him, probably on O but absolutely on D. And he averages 3 per game. Far be it for me to know better, but I think Beilein would do way better if he were riskier in this regard.

Unless there's something about his strategy he is hiding by being ultra conservative (that might be more likely figured out in deep foul trouble and impact future games -- which seems super far-fetched), his autobench tendency makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the same idea:


https://mobile.twitter.com/bauncechill/status/1091498802131947520

Beilein is smart but no one is infallible. He has also never given a good explanation for the autobench policy. My compound question is (a) does he have a reason for being more conservative in this specific way than any other coach in america [of course he does] and (b) is it a good reason that no one else understands or is he just wrong?

[847badgerfan]

^^^ Gard coaches much the same way. He learned from Bo. These guys are all cut from the same cloth.

[mcwterps1]

LOL

Okay.

I see where this is going.

Typical. Thought it might be a good game. 

If you're inside the arc under the basket, there is no charge. 

[mcwterps1]

Most missed layups of any team in the country. 

Never seen so many 2ft misses in my life.

2 BS calls on Fernando sealed this game, as well as abysmal FT shooting.  Don't care about the others called on the Terps, those against Fernando were the worst I've seen all year.

B1G refs just said, "here you go". This should level the field. 

[bayareabadger]

LOL

Okay.

I see where this is going.

Typical. Thought it might be a good game.

If you're inside the arc under the basket, there is no charge.

A point of clarification that I’m surprised tv guys don’t make more. All charges are offensive fouls, not all offensive fouls are charges. The shoulder dip and forearm push off are offensive fouls, while charges are about positioning. That was a shoulder dip, so not a charge, so the circle doesn’t factor. It was also a soft call. 
If I were you, I’d be mad. Maybe some at the refs, though  it was kind of the inverse of the free-throw disparity at your place in the eventual wash of swing-backs hours costs Wisconsin it’s fourth-best player.
 I would be more pissed at some combination of the coach and players.  Maryland l was playing awesome, but couldn’t quite build the lead up enough.  Wisconsin hung tough, even when it wasn’t playing that well, whethered a mess of missed free throws,  and finally it’s threes came.  That was winnable, and where I you, I would be pissed.
 That said, that was a game I was profoundly nervous about, and I am just pretty pleased to have a win.  If Wisconsin can get revenge on Minnesota in the barn, things would set up really nicely.