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Topic: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2017, 08:38:48 PM »
Urban & you have something in common
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2017, 09:00:15 PM »
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
Good Post I can handle a loss.Plugging in aQB who consistently shot puts the pigskin in front of/behind a receiver in full stride gets maddening.HE HAS 4 & 5* QB'S on the pine and no inclination to reach for relief.Attempt something....anything change it up.Baker played lights out in the 2nd half but this tired scenario of trotting out a half back under center gets irksome.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2017, 09:33:06 PM »
Urban & you have something in common
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2017, 08:29:18 AM »
Dinardo on BTN might have hit the nail on the head, if you are going to play JT,
then you have to accept that you are an option team. And if you are going to
accept that, then you have to actually call plays that are option attack in nature.

JT is good enough to beat an Oklahoma type team, but I'm convinced now he's not good enough to beat Oklahoma when he's got 5 wr sets with no RB in the backfield.

it's just mind boggling, how you get rid of your offensive coaches last year, get kevin Wilson and the offense looks exactly the same.

urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2017, 11:42:02 AM »
Dinardo on BTN might have hit the nail on the head, if you are going to play JT,
then you have to accept that you are an option team. And if you are going to
accept that, then you have to actually call plays that are option attack in nature.

JT is good enough to beat an Oklahoma type team, but I'm convinced now he's not good enough to beat Oklahoma when he's got 5 wr sets with no RB in the backfield.

it's just mind boggling, how you get rid of your offensive coaches last year, get kevin Wilson and the offense looks exactly the same.

urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.
That's an interesting case. It was weird in the opener when JT wasn't running early and folks asked why not. I think the five-wide stuff is a little overblown, because if one's a TE, you can either take advantage of an empty box with split zone or hitch the opposition to death. 
The scheme guys I like seem sort of split. Ross Fulton, who is on-point says a new arm might revitalize things. Chris Brown said he felt there was a run-pass game dissonance in Urby's system. Space Coyote, once of MGOBlog, maybe now a coach, said he thought JT wasn't getting set well because of OL trust issues, and any young QB who ran a lot in HS is probably more jumpy to take off. All kind of a murky spot. 
One thing that is notable is that the national title team was one of the most explosive offensively in the land. The next year's was less so, and last year's far less so. I'm not a big proponent of "player X made player Y," but in retrospect, having an oddity in Devin Smith (and Michael Thomas) allowed something very different to come together. 

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2017, 12:11:50 PM »
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
I think that is a BIG part of it.  Ohio State's offense had issues all year last year but:
  • They pulled out an OT win at Wisconsin, 
  • They pulled out an OT win over Michigan, and
  • The PSU loss just felt fluky.  I don't mean to diminish PSU's win, just that, as an OSU fan (and I imagine for the coaches also) it felt like if we had the last few minutes to play over again, we'd win.  
So Ohio State had offensive issues but they got to 11-1 with one loss that felt like it wouldn't have been but for a few unfortunate errors.  Bottom line, we had issues but we were still 11-1 and a damn good team.  Thus, it didn't feel like we needed to make big changes.  

I think you are right though.  In analyzing the team (and especially the coaching) you really can't give them much credit for beating:
  • BGSU (MAC team, finished 4-8)
  • Tulsa (AAC, 10-3)
  • Rutgers (2-10)
  • Indiana (6-7)
  • Northwestern (7-6)
  • Nebraska (9-4)
  • Maryland (6-7)
  • MSU (3-9)
So really last year they had a bunch of wins over teams without the talent to compete, two OT wins, a fluky loss, and one good win, Oklahoma.  In retrospect I think OSU beat Oklahoma last year largely because nobody knew yet that we couldn't throw the ball.  Oklahoma played honest D last year because they respected the pass and Ohio State crushed them.  Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, and then obviously Clemson didn't.  

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2017, 01:30:07 PM »
you can win a nat title or compete without being a juggernaut on offense or without a qb that just airs it out, you only need to look at bama and their qb hurts. he's running for 100 yards per game, passing for a 150 and could have very easily beaten Clemson last year. but they pound their running backs.

this year's ohio state team might need to turn into that. I know urban probably doesn't want to accept that, and JT might not want to accept that, but the fact of the matter is that's what we are. make the best of what you have for this year, revamp the offense when you have a better passer next season. JT's freshman year he was unreal, why? he ran for almost 1,000 yards. when he and your running back are both going for over 1,000 teams had to respect that, and in turn, it gave him some easier throws.

and I agree, devin smith and Michael Thomas were great, but you don't need those guys to run good routes and schemes. their's about 50 programs in the country that get guys open deep with less WR talent than we currently have. there's probably 25 teams that throw for 300 yards weekly with less WR talent than we currently have. im not sure Oklahoma has WR's that are much different than ours, they definitely have less experienced WR's but they cooked us left and right due to scheme. how many times did Mayfield hit a guy in the middle of the field, just 10-15 yards from the line of scrimmage wide open. totally easy throws, but we never hit anything close to that. we never run a screen, to a RB or TE. we throw dumb backwards passes, that if lucky, get 2-3 yards, which begs the question why not just give it to Dobbins, at worst he'll get 2-3 yards and maybe pop it.

it's frustrating to watch the same, vanilla gameplan for about 6 games in a row now dating back to last year. there's nothing new, same results over and over. the offense was amazing when urban got here and was fantastic for about 4-5 years, but now he's unable to figure it out, which I'm sure is driving him nuts as well. JT's a senior, he's not an NFL prospect, in the past I said you can't run your qb that much you'll get him killed, but now, I'm thinking if he runs it 15 times a game who cares, but it can't be at the expense of dobbins, weber if healthy etc. maybe they need a package with another qb, sort of like they did with JT and Cardale before. maybe JT needs to be a red zone QB, he killed it when he ran that with cardale between the 20s.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2017, 05:23:00 PM »
urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.
Pretty much sums it up.Between melting down,posters on 11 W had some decent,insightful points.Why not make a change now,JT's ship has sailed.Soft part of the schedule is here let the young lions get there reps.Rumblings are a lot of players are not happy.Put Haskins in and let him sling it.With Burrow out for at least a few more weeks.Haskins is in his 2nd season just like JT when he started.It doesn't appear UFM has turned the reigns over to Wilson.Maybe he's micro-managing like his FLA days when he ended up burning out(or whatever).Change something.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2017, 07:32:25 PM »
Fans of The Ohio State University:

Please accept some second-hand compliments on the gameday atmosphere in Columbus Saturday.  Every Sooner State journalist who has written on the subject has expressed extreme appreciation for Saturday's fans, activities, etc.

It was a good win for OU, but I don't think we saw TOSU hitting on all cylinders.  I was glad that we evened the series at 2-2, and that now we own scoreboard.  As Cousin Freddie said on page 1, I hope we see another iteration of this series in the future.

I can't apologize for, but I do regret, Baker Mayfield's post-game antics.  IMO, circling the inside of the stadium was OK--planting the flag was not.  He apologized today, likely under pressure from above.  NewsOK.com had an article on the subject, with some comments from non-Sooners (including one from 11 Warriors) that his apology wasn't necessary.  http://newsok.com/article/5563622

A couple of articles on gameday in Columbus.

http://newsok.com/columbus-travelblog-a-glorious-day-at-ohio-stadium/article/5563535

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/guerin-teed-it-was-quite-a-day-football-fixation-at/article_c3dde002-d2e8-572f-bd0c-29d0b3002ff1.html

And a story of the fans' experiences.  http://newsok.com/article/5563515

Good luck the rest of the season.
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2017, 07:33:55 PM »
it didn't like your links with a first post CWS... you're good now.. 

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2017, 07:38:29 PM »
sooners win a big game and they come out of the woodwork :cool2:
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2017, 08:30:17 PM »
CWS has been lurking good ta see ya
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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2017, 08:24:14 AM »
I was actually more ticked at Mayfield's apology then what he actually did. don't tell me that you weren't trying to offend anyone by planting the flag when that's what you were clearly trying to do. just own it and say you don't regret it, or just apologize and say it was a mistake. but to say you weren't trying to offend anyone is just be disingenuous.

but the actual planting of the flag? eh, if ohio state didn't want that to happen, then they should have played better.

I know Mayfield was upset about ohio state singing their "fight song" but I'm assuming that was Carmen Ohio the alma mater which the bucks sing every game, home or road, win or lose. now if other things happened after the OU game last year I haven't heard, but maybe some players did some stupid things, but I wasn't there so I don't really know.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2017, 08:31:20 AM »
the fight song... the center field flag.... these are things that will be chiseled in CFB lore, and in a generation we'll be crackling voices to 'yungins about 'vengeance' and grudges... hopefully we won't have to wait so long for this to come back around... i know you guys are injured now, but this could happen again this very season... I love it! 

 

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