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Title: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Temp430 on September 06, 2017, 09:55:36 AM
I'll start this thread just to say Oklahoma is looking for payback after last year.  The Sooners have been feeling some major butt hurt over the last year due to the Buckeyes.  What goes around comes around.

Oklahoma    35
Ohio State  24

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Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MaximumSam on September 06, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Should be a fun game.  Hope to see some ferocious defense from the Bucks.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 06, 2017, 11:03:14 AM
The road team is undefeated in this series.

Oklahoma won the first game in 1977 by one point.

Ohio St beat Oklahoma by 10 in 1983.

Ohio St beat Oklahoma by 21 last year. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 06, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
The trial by fire should help the young corners, but how much?

Some say Oklahoma has the best offensive line in the country- that makes for a good match up with the Buckeye defensive line.  

If Mayfield gets both a running game, and time to throw, Oklahoma pulls it out. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 06, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
I have a feeling Oklahoma is just going to go air raid, and really not even try to run the ball. I would anyways, after watching the OSU/IU game. I would be shocked if Mayfield doesn't throw for 350, and honestly I think he throws for close to 450 in this game and OU should score 28-35 points.

What it comes down to in my opinion is, will Ohio State's offense finally start to be a unit that can win games? or is the offense just going to be the third wheel again and just try not to lose games?

I was so sick of the vanilla offense last year, but I think OU can be gashed with the run, will JK get a bunch of carries after his amazing opener? or is weber going to steal a bunch of those carries? if weber gets those carries can he be dynamic or the weber we saw at the end of last season? I don't think Ohio State's offense has to be great in this game, but it cant have 4 three and outs in like 5 series type of offense. Bucks will get a turnover or two in the shoe, but honestly I think this is a coin toss game. neither team is eliminated from playoff contention with a loss, assuming neither gets totally blown out anyways.

im probably foolish for doing this, but I think the bucks run for 200 yards, JT figured something out by hitting Campbell a few times in that 2nd half last week and I think that's his go to guy this week. Bucks defense gives up a ton of yards, but clamps down in the red zone holding OU to a couple of FGs instead of TDs. win a very tight game, 34-27
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 06, 2017, 02:17:24 PM
This game worries me in large part because of what Temp said.  For a year since the game in Norman Ohio State has been looking back at this game as an illustration of how great they were/are while Oklahoma has been looking at this as need to improve.  

TresselownsUM stated that "neither team is eliminated from playoff contention with a loss" and I agree but with two important caveats:
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2017, 02:45:51 PM
Recruiting rankings for OSU/OU by year:

2014: 3/14
2015: 7/15
2016: 4/19
2017: 2/8
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 07, 2017, 12:44:51 PM
I think Weber probably starts the first series in this game, anyone else think otherwise?

And when Dobbins rolls in the 2nd or 3rd series, the crowd goes nuts and now there's a ton of pressure every time weber carries the ball.

I just hope it doesn't cause Weber to get the boo birds, I remember when Pryor would come in for Boeckman, or Joe Germaine for Stanley etc. I think the cheers were fine, but it was always bad to hear the boo birds when the other guy came back in.

I'll admit though, I probably booed Stanley Jackson, that guy stunk, lol
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: grillrat on September 07, 2017, 02:50:41 PM
I heard an interesting stat on the radio yesterday and I have not confirmed it.  Maybe Ftbobs can make an appearance and confirm.

What is OSU's all time record against Top 5 non-conference teams coming to the Shoe?

0-6-1

If that's true, it surprises me greatly.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on September 07, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
OU's O is gonna come swinging for the fences, and they won't stop. OU's defense has been getting ragged on, and they will play with a huge chip on their shoulder. I think Mayfeild will be the best player on the field Saturday night.

All I think spells a tall order for the Buckeyes. OSU has the talent to win, the coaches, and home field. 

I think I would trust Baker with the ball down 1 score late in the game more than JT. I hope it does't come to that, OSU 42, OU 27.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on September 07, 2017, 03:13:52 PM
I heard an interesting stat on the radio yesterday and I have not confirmed it.  Maybe Ftbobs can make an appearance and confirm.

What is OSU's all time record against Top 5 non-conference teams coming to the Shoe?

0-6-1

If that's true, it surprises me greatly.
OHIO STATE SEARCHING FOR ELUSIVE PRIMETIME HOME VICTORY OVER NON-CONFERENCE POWER-5 OPPONENT (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/09/84979/ohio-state-searching-for-elusive-primetime-home-victory-over-power-5-opponent)
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 07, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
  I think that a theoretical 12-1 Oklahoma with a loss to Ohio State has a MUCH greater chance of missing the playoff than a theoretical 12-1 Ohio State with a loss to Oklahoma.  

I don't,lose this at home then all bets are off.Both teams are healthy coming out of the gate and don't play the same opponents.Only thing in common is Saturday Nite.If a team beats you at home you won't get sympathy.Lotta games left to play so that can change.Just win baby
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 08, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
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Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on September 09, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
I don't,lose this at home then all bets are off.Both teams are healthy coming out of the gate and don't play the same opponents.Only thing in common is Saturday Nite.If a team beats you at home you won't get sympathy.Lotta games left to play so that can change.Just win baby
Ask Penn State how they feel about this?
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 09, 2017, 01:27:16 PM
Ask Penn State how they feel about this?
Don't get it ??
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: CousinFreddie on September 09, 2017, 11:52:05 PM
Hi tOSU friends.  

Not here to gloat, but am just relieved my Sooners could make up for last year's game and keep our two great programs on an even keel against one another.

I hope we have another home and home in our lifetimes.  These are always great series.

Good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 10, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
Sermon played some big boy football tonight for OU.   
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MaximumSam on September 10, 2017, 08:10:35 AM
Really, similar offensive problems to last year.  The running backs played great but they didn't give them enough carries.  They didn't pay off the run enough and instead kept looking for short routes instead of going downfield.  It's the same theme every time they struggle on offense, which is frustrating.  Can't blame the oline - Barrett had all day to throw most of the time, but the receivers are pretty average and he looks like a shot fighter who can't pull the trigger.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 10, 2017, 08:27:13 AM
The road team is undefeated in this series.
It happened again. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 10, 2017, 09:16:34 AM
I thought urban said this wasn't going to happen again?

The offense is atrocious, your best player is a true fresh RB that gets fewer carries than the qb. 

Carlos Hyde vs sparty, zeke vs sparty, Weber vs Clemson, now dobbins vs Oklahoma. Don't give the ball to your stud RB in big games, makes sense.

Based on 2 games, this is a fringe top 20 team. 

I thought the D played alright, but it's not a championship type defense, it's good enough to win a title if it had any offensive help, but well, it doesn't 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 10, 2017, 10:06:33 AM
I thought urban said this wasn't going to happen again?

The offense is atrocious, your best player is a true fresh RB that gets fewer carries than the qb.

Carlos Hyde vs sparty, zeke vs sparty, Weber vs Clemson, now dobbins vs Oklahoma. Don't give the ball to your stud RB in big games, makes sense.
Now we see why Urban wears out his welcome.While he is looking up at the mountain he is falling into the ravine.Where is the innovative/winning/resourceful wizard? JT Barrett isn't the answer even Ronnie Milsap can see it.Urban has needed to try something different for quite sometime.JT is in his 5th year his ship has sailed.It was on display for all to see
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-0) vs. #5 Oklahoma (1-0) Postgame
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 10, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
On the bright side, the Buckeyes still stand alone atop the B1G East standings. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: utee94 on September 10, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
Now we see why Urban wears out his welcome.While he is looking up at the mountain he is falling into the ravine.Where is the innovative/winning/resourceful wizard? JT Barrett isn't the answer even Ronnie Milsap can see it.Urban has needed to try something different for quite sometime.JT is in his 5th year his ship has sailed.It was on display for all to see
Urban is still probably the second best coach in college football.  The Sooners are talented and experienced and played a great game, but the sky isn't falling in Columbus.  
Buckeyes can still win the conference, and could still make the playoff.  All goals remain ahead.
I'll be rooting for Michigan in The Game, of course, but Ohio State's got plenty of big wins left in them this year.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: TyphonInc on September 10, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Stay classy OU, Stay classy. (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20654266/baker-mayfield-plants-oklahoma-sooners-flag-midfield-beating-ohio-state-buckeyes)
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 10, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
corngrats to the Sooners

dern fine road win
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: ELA on September 10, 2017, 05:40:55 PM
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 10, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
Dantonio was the one that cracked the Urban Meyer Offense.
Bait JT into keeping the ball on the read option, then swarm. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: bayareabadger on September 10, 2017, 08:20:14 PM
Now we see why Urban wears out his welcome.While he is looking up at the mountain he is falling into the ravine.Where is the innovative/winning/resourceful wizard? JT Barrett isn't the answer even Ronnie Milsap can see it.Urban has needed to try something different for quite sometime.JT is in his 5th year his ship has sailed.It was on display for all to see
Is this still the way you feel? I had kind of a longer response, and didn't want to go down it if this was just anger in the moment. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 10, 2017, 08:38:48 PM
Urban & you have something in common
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 10, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
Good Post I can handle a loss.Plugging in aQB who consistently shot puts the pigskin in front of/behind a receiver in full stride gets maddening.HE HAS 4 & 5* QB'S on the pine and no inclination to reach for relief.Attempt something....anything change it up.Baker played lights out in the 2nd half but this tired scenario of trotting out a half back under center gets irksome.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: bayareabadger on September 10, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
Urban & you have something in common
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Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 11, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
Dinardo on BTN might have hit the nail on the head, if you are going to play JT,
then you have to accept that you are an option team. And if you are going to
accept that, then you have to actually call plays that are option attack in nature.

JT is good enough to beat an Oklahoma type team, but I'm convinced now he's not good enough to beat Oklahoma when he's got 5 wr sets with no RB in the backfield.

it's just mind boggling, how you get rid of your offensive coaches last year, get kevin Wilson and the offense looks exactly the same.

urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: bayareabadger on September 11, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Dinardo on BTN might have hit the nail on the head, if you are going to play JT,
then you have to accept that you are an option team. And if you are going to
accept that, then you have to actually call plays that are option attack in nature.

JT is good enough to beat an Oklahoma type team, but I'm convinced now he's not good enough to beat Oklahoma when he's got 5 wr sets with no RB in the backfield.

it's just mind boggling, how you get rid of your offensive coaches last year, get kevin Wilson and the offense looks exactly the same.

urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.
That's an interesting case. It was weird in the opener when JT wasn't running early and folks asked why not. I think the five-wide stuff is a little overblown, because if one's a TE, you can either take advantage of an empty box with split zone or hitch the opposition to death. 
The scheme guys I like seem sort of split. Ross Fulton, who is on-point says a new arm might revitalize things. Chris Brown said he felt there was a run-pass game dissonance in Urby's system. Space Coyote, once of MGOBlog, maybe now a coach, said he thought JT wasn't getting set well because of OL trust issues, and any young QB who ran a lot in HS is probably more jumpy to take off. All kind of a murky spot. 
One thing that is notable is that the national title team was one of the most explosive offensively in the land. The next year's was less so, and last year's far less so. I'm not a big proponent of "player X made player Y," but in retrospect, having an oddity in Devin Smith (and Michael Thomas) allowed something very different to come together. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 11, 2017, 12:11:50 PM
Dantonio mentioned realizing a lot of teams were playing aspects of MSUs defense, so teams were seeing it a lot and learning how to attack it, and he was slow to respond to that.

I feel the same about Meyer's offense, except he hasn't figured out the last part.  Possibly because unlike MSU, OSU is going to out talent everyone on their schedule, and grossly out talent probably 9 of their 12 opponents.  So maybe they are lulled into a false sense of security about their offense, when really they could roll out Woody's playbook and 9-3 is their floor.
I think that is a BIG part of it.  Ohio State's offense had issues all year last year but:
So Ohio State had offensive issues but they got to 11-1 with one loss that felt like it wouldn't have been but for a few unfortunate errors.  Bottom line, we had issues but we were still 11-1 and a damn good team.  Thus, it didn't feel like we needed to make big changes.  

I think you are right though.  In analyzing the team (and especially the coaching) you really can't give them much credit for beating:
So really last year they had a bunch of wins over teams without the talent to compete, two OT wins, a fluky loss, and one good win, Oklahoma.  In retrospect I think OSU beat Oklahoma last year largely because nobody knew yet that we couldn't throw the ball.  Oklahoma played honest D last year because they respected the pass and Ohio State crushed them.  Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, and then obviously Clemson didn't.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 11, 2017, 01:30:07 PM
you can win a nat title or compete without being a juggernaut on offense or without a qb that just airs it out, you only need to look at bama and their qb hurts. he's running for 100 yards per game, passing for a 150 and could have very easily beaten Clemson last year. but they pound their running backs.

this year's ohio state team might need to turn into that. I know urban probably doesn't want to accept that, and JT might not want to accept that, but the fact of the matter is that's what we are. make the best of what you have for this year, revamp the offense when you have a better passer next season. JT's freshman year he was unreal, why? he ran for almost 1,000 yards. when he and your running back are both going for over 1,000 teams had to respect that, and in turn, it gave him some easier throws.

and I agree, devin smith and Michael Thomas were great, but you don't need those guys to run good routes and schemes. their's about 50 programs in the country that get guys open deep with less WR talent than we currently have. there's probably 25 teams that throw for 300 yards weekly with less WR talent than we currently have. im not sure Oklahoma has WR's that are much different than ours, they definitely have less experienced WR's but they cooked us left and right due to scheme. how many times did Mayfield hit a guy in the middle of the field, just 10-15 yards from the line of scrimmage wide open. totally easy throws, but we never hit anything close to that. we never run a screen, to a RB or TE. we throw dumb backwards passes, that if lucky, get 2-3 yards, which begs the question why not just give it to Dobbins, at worst he'll get 2-3 yards and maybe pop it.

it's frustrating to watch the same, vanilla gameplan for about 6 games in a row now dating back to last year. there's nothing new, same results over and over. the offense was amazing when urban got here and was fantastic for about 4-5 years, but now he's unable to figure it out, which I'm sure is driving him nuts as well. JT's a senior, he's not an NFL prospect, in the past I said you can't run your qb that much you'll get him killed, but now, I'm thinking if he runs it 15 times a game who cares, but it can't be at the expense of dobbins, weber if healthy etc. maybe they need a package with another qb, sort of like they did with JT and Cardale before. maybe JT needs to be a red zone QB, he killed it when he ran that with cardale between the 20s.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2017, 05:23:00 PM
urban said when Wilson and day came in "this is still going to be ohio state's offense." maybe that's the problem, maybe we should be letting Wilson run Indiana's offense, it certainly can't be worse. it might be time for urban to realize he's gotta let go of what he think's is his bread and butter and evolve.

this season is on life support, and when we lose to penn state in a month it's over. I'm all for sticking with JT until that loss, at some point you gotta turn the page, and that would be the time in my opinion. if you aren't going to change the offense, then the only other option is to change the personnel.
Pretty much sums it up.Between melting down,posters on 11 W had some decent,insightful points.Why not make a change now,JT's ship has sailed.Soft part of the schedule is here let the young lions get there reps.Rumblings are a lot of players are not happy.Put Haskins in and let him sling it.With Burrow out for at least a few more weeks.Haskins is in his 2nd season just like JT when he started.It doesn't appear UFM has turned the reigns over to Wilson.Maybe he's micro-managing like his FLA days when he ended up burning out(or whatever).Change something.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: CWSooner on September 11, 2017, 07:32:25 PM
Fans of The Ohio State University:

Please accept some second-hand compliments on the gameday atmosphere in Columbus Saturday.  Every Sooner State journalist who has written on the subject has expressed extreme appreciation for Saturday's fans, activities, etc.

It was a good win for OU, but I don't think we saw TOSU hitting on all cylinders.  I was glad that we evened the series at 2-2, and that now we own scoreboard.  As Cousin Freddie said on page 1, I hope we see another iteration of this series in the future.

I can't apologize for, but I do regret, Baker Mayfield's post-game antics.  IMO, circling the inside of the stadium was OK--planting the flag was not.  He apologized today, likely under pressure from above.  NewsOK.com had an article on the subject, with some comments from non-Sooners (including one from 11 Warriors) that his apology wasn't necessary.  http://newsok.com/article/5563622 (http://newsok.com/article/5563622)

A couple of articles on gameday in Columbus.

http://newsok.com/columbus-travelblog-a-glorious-day-at-ohio-stadium/article/5563535 (http://newsok.com/columbus-travelblog-a-glorious-day-at-ohio-stadium/article/5563535)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/guerin-teed-it-was-quite-a-day-football-fixation-at/article_c3dde002-d2e8-572f-bd0c-29d0b3002ff1.html (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/guerin-teed-it-was-quite-a-day-football-fixation-at/article_c3dde002-d2e8-572f-bd0c-29d0b3002ff1.html)

And a story of the fans' experiences.  http://newsok.com/article/5563515 (http://newsok.com/article/5563515)

Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 11, 2017, 07:33:55 PM
it didn't like your links with a first post CWS... you're good now.. 

DAMN GOOD SEEING YOU!!!!!!
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 11, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
sooners win a big game and they come out of the woodwork :cool2:
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 11, 2017, 08:30:17 PM
CWS has been lurking good ta see ya
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: TresselownsUM on September 12, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
I was actually more ticked at Mayfield's apology then what he actually did. don't tell me that you weren't trying to offend anyone by planting the flag when that's what you were clearly trying to do. just own it and say you don't regret it, or just apologize and say it was a mistake. but to say you weren't trying to offend anyone is just be disingenuous.

but the actual planting of the flag? eh, if ohio state didn't want that to happen, then they should have played better.

I know Mayfield was upset about ohio state singing their "fight song" but I'm assuming that was Carmen Ohio the alma mater which the bucks sing every game, home or road, win or lose. now if other things happened after the OU game last year I haven't heard, but maybe some players did some stupid things, but I wasn't there so I don't really know.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 12, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
the fight song... the center field flag.... these are things that will be chiseled in CFB lore, and in a generation we'll be crackling voices to 'yungins about 'vengeance' and grudges... hopefully we won't have to wait so long for this to come back around... i know you guys are injured now, but this could happen again this very season... I love it! 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 12, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
the problem with society today is that we don't drink from the skulls of our enemies any longer
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: utee94 on September 12, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, but I'm okay with a little in-your-face behavior.  Passionate football is a good thing.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: grillrat on September 12, 2017, 12:01:44 PM
the problem with society today is that we don't drink from the skulls of our enemies any longer
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Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 12, 2017, 12:30:00 PM
Very happy to see CWS in the house.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 12, 2017, 02:10:41 PM
was Baker flagged for excessive celebration?
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 12, 2017, 02:52:31 PM
was Baker flagged for excessive celebration?
Pretty sure it was after the game was over.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 12, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
smart kid
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 13, 2017, 12:15:47 PM
I had a chance to watch some of the game and have a few thoughts after that and thinking about it for a bit:

First, sitting in the Stadium at halftime it felt like we were REALLY lucky to be tied 3-3.  Watching it confirmed that.  OU's first half drives:
Oklahoma was successful on every possession at moving the ball but due to various circumstances their five drives for 244 yards only got them three points.  

Ohio State technically also had five first half possessions but the final one was a single play with 0:01 remaining.  Not counting the end-of-half possession the Buckeyes had:

At halftime it felt like the Buckeyes were getting crushed because we were.  

That said, we have all watched enough football to remember games where one team looked horrible in the first half but kept it close and then came out in the second half and won.  As a Buckeye fan obviously I was hoping to see that and at the beginning of the third quarter it looked like I would.  

I think there were two series that ended up being the most important to the result.  

First was immediately after the Buckeyes completed their longest pass of the night (31 yards) to get a first and goal at the OU 7.  After sputtering through the first half the Buckeye offense had seemed to come alive in the third quarter with a crisp 44 yard TD drive.  After allowing a TD the Buckeyes got the ball at their own 25 and proceeded to drive 68 yards very efficiently (never faced 3rd down and the only 2nd down was 2nd and 2) to the OU 7 yard line.  OU's defensive stand there was very important:
This drive started with three straight J.K. Dobbins carries for 8, 13, and 16 yards.  Then there was a 31 yard pass.  Then, for some reason, the Buckeyes ran Barrett twice, threw and incomplete pass, and kicked a FG.  

Personally, I think the Buckeyes should have stuck with Dobbins but what happend on the next possession doesn't really bear that out.  In any case, I think this was a key series because at this point the Buckeye offense was looking good and a TD here would have made it a 7 point game for the second time in a row.  

The second series that I believe was most important to the result was after the FG and OU's ensuing possession.  On OU's ensuing possession they got the ball on the 22 but a chop block penalty and a sack moved it back to the 2 and they ended up punting.  

The second series that I thought was hugely important to the end result came when Ohio State got the ball back up 13-10 with 5:38 to go in the third quarter.  I thought this was huge because a TD here would have made it a two possession game heading into the fourth quarter.  Furthermore, on the two previous possessions Ohio State had gone 69 yards on 8 plays in 2:40 for a FG and 44 yards on 7 plays in 2:23 for a TD.  Ohio State accomplished nothing on this possession:

I thought maybe OU changed up their defense and stacked the box to stop the run but they really didn't.  At the snap on both the 1st and 2nd down plays the safeties were about 10-15 yards off the line.  It was just a simple matter of a few missed blocks and viola, Ohio State's opportunity to create a two possession lead turned into a punt and quickly a 17-13 deficit and Oklahoma never looked back.  

The first down play looks like it was supposed to be a quick inside running play.  Barrett takes the snap and hands the ball to Dobbins who is lined up next to him.  Ohio State's RG just flat whiffed on the DE and Dobbins got wrapped up a yard behind the LoS.  It was all Dobbins could do to fall forward and get back to the LoS.  I'm not sure where the play was supposed to go because there really wasn't a hole at all.  Even if you just deleted the DE from the picture Dobbins wouldn't have had much running room 

On the second down play Dobbins lines up the Barrett's right and the play is designed to be a sweep to the left (wide) side of the field.  The play breaks down almost from the snap:
Ohio State's LG released upfield and did a great job of blocking the OU LBer.  That would have been really nice if Dobbins had been able to get there but he never did because the DE that tOSU's LG completely ignored caught up with Dobbins in the backfield thus making the great block on the LBer irrelevant.  The problem wasn't the unblocked DE.  I think the play was designed to leave him unblocked on the assumption that Dobbins could outrun him to the corner.  The reason he couldn't was because the Ohio State TE missed his block.  When the TE's man got past him it forced Dobbins to turn upfield too early and the DE was there waiting for him.  

Unlike the first down play, the second down play looks like it could have been pretty successful because aside from the TE's guy, every OU defender on that side of the field was blocked so if the TE had held his block long enough for Dobbins to get around him he would have been running for a bit.  That isn't to say it would have been a 60 yard TD or even necessarily a first down but it looks like it would have been a successful play.  

After Barrett's 5 yard run on 3rd and 10 and the Punt the Sooners scored on their next three possessions to turn a 13-10 Ohio State lead into a 31-13 OU blowout.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 13, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
the problem with society today is that we don't drink from the skulls of our enemies any longer
What is best in life?  
To crush your enemies.  See them driven before you.  To hear the lamentations of their women.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 13, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, but I'm okay with a little in-your-face behavior.  Passionate football is a good thing.
I support it.  The barn came out and stomped on the eye of the tiger at midfield one time.  They haven't won in the Red Stick in nearly 20 years.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MarqHusker on September 13, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
Very happy to see CWS in the house.
Indeed.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MarqHusker on September 13, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
I support it.  The barn came out and stomped on the eye of the tiger at midfield one time.  They haven't won in the Red Stick in nearly 20 years.  
Have Road fans ever TP'd Toomer's Corner following a win at Auburn?   That would be something.
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 13, 2017, 01:44:37 PM
Not that I know of, but somebody did poison the trees after losing to them.  
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Entropy on September 13, 2017, 02:10:06 PM
this morning an OU friend texted me and told me to ask Siri who owns Ohio stadium.   I'm not a buckeye, so it was funny..  If I was a buckeye, I think it would depend upon my mood. 
Title: Re: #2 Ohio State (1-1) vs. #5 Oklahoma (2-0) Postgame
Post by: Entropy on September 13, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
since it appears to no longer work...  https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike/status/907939246253723648 (https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike/status/907939246253723648)

Who owns Ohio Stadium (https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike/status/907939246253723648)