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Topic: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2021, 01:26:49 AM »
I do find it funny that UT fans (online) were quick to buy-in to their new AD from UCF, but not the HC from the same place.  Weird.
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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2021, 09:07:04 AM »
I think fans think an AD is much less likely to provide wins and losses than the HC, so an AD can be almost anyone, in effect, with a bit of experience.

They want an Urban Meyer type for HC (I hear there aren't many of that ilk).  The AD?  Meh.


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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2021, 09:09:40 AM »
So, what does Heupel need to do to have longer term employment?

First thing is to keep players from bolting, good luck with that.  He should get a pass on 2021, normally, so anything between 5-7 and 7-6 would be excused.  Maybe the team will be exciting offensively.  But by 2022, he will have to show some progress, right?

9-4 or something, a decent bowl game?  Maybe 8-5 doesn't get him fired of course, even 7-6, but folks get antsy.

By 2025, I'd opine, the Vols need to beat the lesser teams and at least look competitive with the better teams.


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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2021, 11:38:20 AM »
Or put another way, if the Vols don't win the East in X years, he gets fired.

What is the value of X?

I'd say about 7.

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2021, 12:20:22 PM »
Have you guys paid attention to UT fans?  7 years?  They want it day 1.  They're irrational and actually believe their program is still where it was when Peyton was there.  
They don't understand that General Neyland himself isn't walking through that door.  Half of them still expected John Gruden to take the job.  It's madness.
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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2021, 12:44:44 PM »
The fans don't control hiring and firing obviously, aside from a few with large checkbooks.  I'm sure by Year 7, the fans will be clamoring, but I don't think before that he would get fired except for cause.

Dawg fans are clamoring for an NC but not many want Smart to be fired, yet.

Usually, a HC who shows improvement over 4 years is in OK shape and then he needs to win something.


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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2021, 09:21:34 AM »
A couple things. Tennessee fans are obviously delusional as they think it's 1950 and that Tennessee rates a John Gruden or a Jeff Fisher as a head coach. I am not sure they are any less delusional than other fan bases. Auburn fired Gus Malzahn who won roughly two thirds of his games, was 39-27 in the SEC and beat Nick Saban three times. Mark Richt won roughly three quarters of his games and was 83-37 in the SEC. Were Auburn and Georgia any different than Tennessee?

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2021, 11:02:28 AM »
A couple things. Tennessee fans are obviously delusional as they think it's 1950 and that Tennessee rates a John Gruden or a Jeff Fisher as a head coach. I am not sure they are any less delusional than other fan bases. Auburn fired Gus Malzahn who won roughly two thirds of his games, was 39-27 in the SEC and beat Nick Saban three times. Mark Richt won roughly three quarters of his games and was 83-37 in the SEC. Were Auburn and Georgia any different than Tennessee?
Georgia was better because they didn't wait until they were a dumpster fire before getting someone new.  
When you get rid of a guy on your time, you look at the landscape and hand-pick the replacement.  That's what UGA did and (I guess) what Auburn is trying to do. 
Tennessee waits until their team (still) stinks and they've had violations to change the HC.  They scramble and pick whoever is out there on short-notice.
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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2021, 11:55:02 AM »
Or maybe they got lucky. Maybe they didn't do either as Smart and Richt's records are statistically the same.

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2021, 01:43:36 PM »
Maybe.  But they were proactive instead of reactive.  And Smart has gotten them closer to a NC than Richt ever did.  That matters.
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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2021, 03:40:15 PM »
I think Dawg fans were tired of losing games they should win.  I think Smart has lost one game where they were heavy favorites (South Carolina in a 4 INT debacle by Fromm).  Smart's teams also beat Florida fairly often (and they lead Alabama at the half!).

You take a risk obviously firing a guy who averages nearly 10 wins a year.

I like the idea that you find the guy you want before you fire who you have.

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2021, 05:01:53 AM »

I like the idea that you find the guy you want before you fire who you have.
So few ADs do this, it hurts my brain.
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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2021, 06:40:04 AM »
It is a puzzlement to me, but ADs face pressures I probably don't understand from people who write checks.  And Presidents.

I know if you "fire for cause", you won't be prepared, but if you fire for nonperformance, there is time to scout.  Perhaps in asking around it gets leaked and then you are in a bind.  Maybe Michigan did this, quietly, they have someone in mind who isn't ready yet.

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Re: Rocky Top Dumpster Fire Rages On
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2021, 10:58:14 AM »
So, the Vols ... and their future, predictions?

2021 - A lot going on, let's guess 8-5.  They get Ole Miss and Pitt OOC.  Win a minor bowl game?  Optimistic, could be worse.

2022 - AT Pitt and AT LSU.  7-6 very possible, could be 9-3 with a break somewhere.

2023 - AT BYU and A&M in the West.  8-5 seems plausible to me.

2024 - Oklahoma and Miss State.  I think 9-3 is possible here, JH might be feeling some warmth.

2025 - Auburn, no OOC game set yet.

I don't see a lot of shot at some breakthrough season, but 9-3 could be upper limit generally, and they could of course lose some they expect to win, that might be key for JH.  Beat UK and Mizzou and USCe every year.

 

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