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utee94

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1512 on: January 08, 2025, 10:01:13 AM »
If it wasn't a concept at the time, then the team didn't "earn it."

Lots of teams had undefeated seasons or very good seasons and were never recognized for it.  Just the way it is.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1513 on: January 08, 2025, 10:12:59 AM »
Yup, but there are clicks to be had ...

... I'm not sure some retro NC for 1913 is that much different from a 1950 AP NC.  Then you had splits between the AP and UPI at times, which was OK with me.  

I know 1980 UGA got both, but it looks pretty clear Pitt was a better team that year, they just had one L.  UGA dodged several Ls by teeth skin.  UGA claims 1942 as well, but no AP NC that year for them.  They did have a very good team.

I don't know if ANY method for setting the NC is all that valid.


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« Reply #1514 on: January 08, 2025, 10:33:51 AM »
I think a method that's mostly agreed upon and mostly recognized by most parties involved, is good enough.  For decades that was the AP and coaches' polls.  Then the BCS, then the CFP.  

None are perfect, but for the most part since the 1940s, folks have known what it takes to win one.  It might not have been overly fair or egalitarian, as the old quote goes, about how a team can win the national championship-- "First, Notre Dame has to lose."  But at least you knew what you were up against.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1515 on: January 08, 2025, 11:28:22 AM »
Speaking of Texas, if I may, I fear if the OSU QB is still throwing dimes, well, it doesn't look good.

Why is it called "throwing dimes" anyway?


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« Reply #1516 on: January 08, 2025, 11:33:39 AM »
I guess it's a derivative of "dropping it on a dime" which would imply dropping the pass into a very small space?  Just a guess.

Last year we had Penix play the game of his career against us, making impossible throws even under heavy pressure, and then a week later he crapped out against Michigan.  Here's hoping that THIS time, the previous games are the ones where the QB played out of his mind, and against us he regresses to the mean.

Anyway, Texas is very familiar with this QB, having beaten him 3 out of 3 times while he was at Kansas State.  It's true he didn't have the same surrounding cast, but if any defense can be ready for him, it'll be the Horns.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1517 on: January 08, 2025, 11:37:32 AM »
Sounds reasonable.  My kids went to OSU of course, but I rather favor the Horns, SEC and all that.

I don't really know how UGA beat Texas twice.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1518 on: January 08, 2025, 11:46:22 AM »
Bad matchup for Texas, good matchup for Georgia.  That's just the way it works out sometimes.

Last year I think if Texas gets matched against Alabama or Michigan in the first round of the CFP, and Michigan or Alabama gets matched up against Washington, then Washington loses in the first round, Texas wins both rounds, and wins the NC.  U-Dub's tremendous strength in its QB and receivers, just ended up being too much for Texas' biggest weakness in our terrible secondary.  But Michigan and Alabama didn't struggle as much in that area and I think would have beaten Washington. Michigan obviously DID beat Washington the next week.

And on our side, Texas obviously matched up just fine against Alabama, having beaten them already by double digits in their own stadium.  And I believe Texas matched up very well against Michigan too, and would have had an excellent chance at beating them.  The one team Texas DIDN'T match up well against, was Washington, and we saw how that turned out.



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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1520 on: January 08, 2025, 01:14:21 PM »
The NCAA doesn't actually "recognize" any D1-A/FBS football championships.  It just lists all of the various ones available-- including the rando "100 years after the fact computer algorithms"-- on its website.

They recognize major-for-the-time lists of champions, and that's more or less recognizing a champion while not awarding a championship yourself.  

Caspar Whitney was considered a major selector as early as 1905.  Wikipedia says so, so it has to be true.  If the NCAA recognizes selectors, they de facto recognize champions.  Just that nobody picked A&M that year.  

I'd have zero qualms about LSU claiming the 1908 NC, especially considering the dumbness with Auburn that screwed them out of the SIAA title.  They don't, and likely never will.  But it's listed on the NCAA's website, so that also has to be true :)

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« Reply #1521 on: January 08, 2025, 01:20:23 PM »
It's just a list.  But, feel free to claim whatever you like.  It never stopped the gumps that's for sure.

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« Reply #1522 on: January 08, 2025, 02:21:07 PM »
All anything is is lists, really.  

I don't really care for the Decades-After-The-Fact polls that retroactively look at who they would've awarded NCs to if they'd been around.  But if an organization in that time awarded a title and the NCAA recognizes it--because they don't recognize many such things--I don't see anything wrong or desperate about a school claiming a title. 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1523 on: January 08, 2025, 02:22:28 PM »
Why is it called "throwing dimes" anyway?

Or "dropping dimes."  I guess it's a shortened version of "dropping it on a dime."  Throwing it on a dime makes some sense.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1524 on: January 08, 2025, 03:15:53 PM »
The NCAA has no football championship for D1-A/FBS.  It never has.  It doesn't "recognize" anything.  It puts a list on a website of a variety of rando organizations/publications that claim to award national championships.  Feel free to claim or endorse whichever of those you like.  I'll continue to endorse the AP Poll, the Coaches' Poll, the BCS, and the CFP.

By the way, the AP could still theoretically select a different champion than the BCS or CFP tournament winner, and IMO it would be no more nor less valid than it ever has been. Because the CFP tournament itself already doesn't necessarily get the selection or seeding right, I don't view the outcome of that tournament as necessarily correct, to the exclusion of a differing AP Poll champion.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1525 on: January 08, 2025, 04:46:20 PM »
This is just word salad.  They have a list for a reason; it has to recognize something.  Otherwise there would be no list.  By putting a list on its website, it is implicitly, if not explicitly, recognizing that teams have been named champions by the organizations listed.  There is no other reason to put the organizations or teams on a list.  To say its list doesn't "recognize" anything is just meaningless.  Every list recognizes something, that's why they're lists. 

This in no way conflicts with your correct assertion that the NCAA has no football championship, nor have they ever awarded one.  If they did, they'd put themselves on their list.    

 

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