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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 10, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
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Woke up to it being COLD. The dog's water was frozen, the faucet was frozen, and the space heater was chugging along. The dogs themselves seem completely impervious to any change in temperature and zoomed around like mad as always. Maybe they will calm down.
Fellas, it's a great day for some chili. May have to hit up the store to find the odds and ends to put in said chili. We'll see if the beans are marked down.
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Schedule
Noon
OSU at MSU, FOX
Wisconsin at PSU, ABC
Illinois at Nebraska, BTN
Maryland at Indiana, BTN
3:30
Michigan at Rutgers, BTN
Northwestern at Iowa, FOX
Purdue at Minnesota, ESPN2
Others
TCU at WVU, Noon, FS1
Miss. St. at Alabama, 3:30, CBS
Oklahoma St. at Oklahoma,3:30, ABC
Washington St. at Colorado, 3:30, ESPN
Auburn at Georgia, 7, ESPN
FSU at ND, 7:30, NBC
Clemson at BC, 8, ABC
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Lots of everything on the line today.
OSU, Michigan, still in playoff mix and East division mix. OSU must win to still have chance at both.
Maryland is 5-4 and plays Hoosier today. But they finish with OSU and PSU, so a win today is their best shot for a bowl.
Indiana is 4-5 but finish with Michigan and Purdue. They need two wins and today is their best shot.
Northwestern is in the driver's seat for the West. Iowa must win today to have a shot. Wisconsin and Purdue also have a chance and needs wins.
Illinois and Minnesota are both 4-5. Minny has Purdue, Northwestern, Wiscy. Illinois has Nebraska, Iowa, NW.
Plus all those game I listed outside the conference can impact the playoffs.
Heck of a fun day for it to be cold outside and all warm and footbally inside.
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A whopping 14 degrees here in Omaha this morning. Heading to Lincoln shortly. Glad we have seats in the club level. I can tell the ladies in our group will head for cover inside.
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Man, it's cold here, almost down to freezing. Bright blue skies though. Friends down from Cincy visiting, he's a Big Buckeye fan.
We'll be walking around trying not to die of exposure.
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Going to reach 78 here today, but today is the rescheduled trip up to the apple orchards at 4000 ft, so at least we'll get a little taste of the cold. By which I mean "under 60" lol
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It's a balmy 10 degrees here in the Twin Cities. Pulling the pork shoulder we put in the slow cooker last night, then going to throw some buckets.
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14 degrees in NW Iowa with white stuff on the ground
funeral today - will be chilly at the grave site
recording the game - will watch later with my brother, he's up from Texas
better check to see what I have for food this evening
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76 here in the Canary Islands. Not sure if the internet is strong enough to stream games, but we shall see.
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Going to reach 78 here today, but today is the rescheduled trip up to the apple orchards at 4000 ft, so at least we'll get a little taste of the cold. By which I mean "under 60" lol
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In grand rapids Michigan today visiting my parents. 28° and very Highwinds plus lots of snow on the ground. As I said back in September a team that can pass but can’t run is not going to do well in November
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Chili is on, hope it cooks well into the OSU game. Today's chili is brought to you by Aldi's, specifically aldi's country beef ribs. I'm pretty sure they ain't ribs, but not entirely sure what they are. I threw some sausage in the pot, too, because I cooked it for the girl's this morning and had a few links left over. Other ingredients - tomato paste, crushed tomatoes, soy sauce, fish sauce, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, garlic, onions, jalapenos, chili powder, and cumin. Sadly no beans, but hopefully the tomatoes will piss off the chili purists.
Also god damn figured out I had a small cut on my finger while dicing up the jalapenos. Youch.
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Chili is on, hope it cooks well into the OSU game. Today's chili is brought to you by Aldi's, specifically aldi's country beef ribs. I'm pretty sure they ain't ribs, but not entirely sure what they are. I threw some sausage in the pot, too, because I cooked it for the girl's this morning and had a few links left over. Other ingredients - tomato paste, crushed tomatoes, soy sauce, fish sauce, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, garlic, onions, jalapenos, chili powder, and cumin. Sadly no beans, but hopefully the tomatoes will piss off the chili purists.
Also god damn figured out I had a small cut on my finger while dicing up the jalapenos. Youch.
Serves ya right for putting all that nonsense in your "chili", and for even considering beans. Next time you'll know better.
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Awake 3 hours ago, still another hour before kickoffs. Counting the days until I move back West and can roll out of bed to Big Ten and SEC games already on.
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Hot apple cider and Hot 100 is a great combination
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Snow flurries here. Got a hunk of beef I needed to use in the smoker. Wife is making cheesy potatoes. May not leave the house today.
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If I didn’t know better and someone told me Josh Heupel was a high level Division I athlete 20 years ago there is no way I’d believe it. Dude has let himself go.
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Awake 3 hours ago, still another hour before kickoffs. Counting the days until I move back West and can roll out of bed to Big Ten and SEC games already on.
Man, not jealous of stagnant autumns, but very jealous of 9 am kicks. I remember some years Notre Dame had their game in Ireland that kicked around 9, and it was awesome. Plus I'm more or less checked out by the night unless OSU is playing.
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Serves ya right for putting all that nonsense in your "chili", and for even considering beans. Next time you'll know better.
Hey the man is actually watching football in real football weather let him enjoy his creation.At least he's not sashaying around in the tropics wondering what sun block to wear and what umbrella Drink to consume with the pinkie up.
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Refs with a real slow whistle there. Not sure of the wisdom of MSU taking a timeout.
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Hey the man is actually watching football in real football weather let him enjoy his creation.At least he's not sashaying around in the tropics wondering what sun block to wear and what umbrella Drink to consume with the pinkie up.
Live look at Badge
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14 degrees in NW Iowa with white stuff on the ground
funeral today - will be chilly at the grave site
Condolences
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Defense looks spry for OSU, let's see how the defense looks.
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Live look at Badge
I can't unsee that but at least it appears he's enjoying himself
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Awake 3 hours ago, still another hour before kickoffs. Counting the days until I move back West and can roll out of bed to Big Ten and SEC games already on.
Or you could be like me and sleep fitfully from 3 AM onward and be fully awake before 6.
Still awake >3 hours before that 9 AM kick.
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Yersh, three and out, followed by a shanked punt.
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A lot of empty swaths in State College and East Lansing.
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Or you could be like me and sleep fitfully from 3 AM onward and be fully awake before 6.
Still awake >3 hours before that 9 AM kick.
Unclear. Are you saying you sleep for ~3 hours, by choice ... even on weekend nights?
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Live look at Badge
False. Needs more earring.
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Gators playing with their sleepy heads still in the pillow.
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False. Needs more earring.
Salt water could be corrosive,prolly swimming with the dolphins
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Unclear. Are you saying you sleep for ~3 hours, by choice ... even on weekend nights?
I'm saying about 3 AM just about every morning I wake up, laying there trying to sleep ,zoning in and out for a few hours until my body just says "sun's up, Brad's up".
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Gators playing with their sleepy heads still in the pillow.
So is WVU. 3-0 TCU
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It's all slog in East Lansing.
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I will chuckle an amount if, at half time, instead of M00N, this one is M00O.
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Willikes wrecking people
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It's 21-14 Nebraska over Illinois after the first quarter. Which is something.
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Gators playing with their sleepy heads still in the pillow.
No, we're just not that good.
Florida needs to run the ball 8 out of every 10 plays to have a chance at winning.
A messed up thing that has occurred for the second time in 3 years - the HC goes with the backup QB who then immediately gets hurt for the year.
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Ugh, Buckeyes extremely unimaginative on offense. They finally get a good run, then they try to run the same play, then a slant. No fakes, no misdirection, everything so easy to defend.
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Luckily, I have a direct line into Mullen's ear. Run-run-run-run-run-run-TD. Tie game.
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Now there's something, though Haskins missed it. But no reason to not fake runs on nearly every play.
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Ugh, Buckeyes extremely unimaginative on offense. They finally get a good run, then they try to run the same play, then a slant. No fakes, no misdirection, everything so easy to defend.
Painful to watch,nice bubble screen there
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Wonder who Lewerke has photos of? MSU giving this one away keeping him in there
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Damn give haskins a little time and he can bring it
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Oh, it's like 72 degrees and I'm eating tacos all day long.
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WR's for Indiana taking acrobatic acting classes to draw flags.
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I will chuckle an amount if, at half time, instead of M00N, this one is M00O.
It's preserved
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Moooooooo!
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Or would it be O00M?
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Or could it be MOOOS
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That play with Martell is what I've been not wanting Meyer to experiment with. They *need* that.
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I'm amazingly confused by this
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No MOOO, OOOM, or MOOOS. But I don't get why you put Martell in at the five, then take him out at the 1.
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I insta-reject Paul Chryst's clock management. It's objectively bad.
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TCU goes all Bad News Bears on a kickoff into the wind. Ball bounces all over the field and WVU finally recovers. Cashes in from there. 17-3 WVU.
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Oh no Rocky
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No MOOO, OOOM, or MOOOS. But I don't get why you put Martell in at the five, then take him out at the 1.
It's more significant that he came in than that he came out. OSU is desperate for that wrinkle in the red zone. But it doesn't have to be a permanent feature to be effective. And there are so many ways to play that formation versus Michigan when it matters.
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Could have made a beer run and not missed a play.Don't think I've ever seen 4 straight T.O.'s called in a row
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Wonder who Lewerke has photos of? MSU giving this one away keeping him in there
Whattaya know, right down the field with Lombardi
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Whattaya know, right down the field with Lombardi
I think Mark is just underestimating the injury. And/or trusting what BL says or "the look in his eye" before the game. Because if it isn't something touchy-feely like that, I'm not sure how the mistake was made.
Healhy Lewerke > Lombardi >>>>> Today's injured Lewerke.
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I thought Lewerke looked fine at the beginning but seemed to fade on his throws by the end. Lombardi has a gun, and runs like Tebow, so Bucks will have to get after him a bit in the second half.
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False. Needs more earring.
Correct. Again.
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Not seeing any games at all, just scores.
WTF is going on with Taylor having a million yards and UW is still losing?
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Not seeing any games at all, just scores.
WTF is going on with Taylor having a million yards and UW is still losing?
I didn't see where on the field the turnovers occurred, but losing 2-0 in that category is painful on the road.
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This is where I want OSU running against Michigan - to the outside.
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B1G stepping in vs the best INT group in the B1G by calling a parade of pass interferences.
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Welp, I'm guessing that's his window to go back to Lewerke. This staff historically loves juggling QBs trying to find the hot hand.
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B1G stepping in vs the best INT group in the B1G by calling a parade of pass interferences.
They've always been big supporters of Indiana football in the Chicago offices.
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They've always been big supporters of Indiana football in the Chicago offices.
It's not about who they like, and you know that.
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Jim Tressel is touching himself
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Thanks for that play call Bucks.
Still MSU needs to pick up at least a couple first downs, or eventually the defense will crack.
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It's not about who they like, and you know that.
Is it your position that the Big Ten offices *don't* like Maryland?
Delany's entire legacy requires that the Maryland addition work out.
I just don't think the conspiracy theory works here.
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Jim Tressel is touching himself
Ew
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Lombardi was doing this against Purdue. He's got a cannon, but on those deep balls he needs to learn to put a little air under there.
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Lombardi dragging Sparty offense into 21st century
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Lombardi runs like Tebow
Sure looking like that now
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Is it your position that the Big Ten offices *don't* like Maryland?
Delany's entire legacy requires that the Maryland addition work out.
I just don't think the conspiracy theory works here.
Yes.
It doesn't have to "work out" for anything but giving the B1G a bigger footprint and revenue stream.
Plus, you don't have to negotiate more deals outside of the Big Ten for games.
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As soon as he threw that I figured there was no way dudes weren't down field.
Would be nice if they also called it on RPOs, but we know they don't.
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Apparently Damon Arnette punched a guy and nobody saw it.
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I mean, read option?
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Apparently Damon Arnette punched a guy and nobody saw it.
If you punch a guy and nobody sees it, did it really happen?
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Yes.
It doesn't have to "work out" for anything but giving the B1G a bigger footprint and revenue stream.
Plus, you don't have to negotiate more deals outside of the Big Ten for games.
What's the motive then ... other than to further destroy Delany's legacy once "a la carte" TV programming ends standard cable contracts and the revenue benefit of Maryland drops to zero or less?
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If you punch a guy and nobody with the abilty to penalize sees it, did it really happen?
FIFY
Apparently plenty of people on Twitter, OSU fans as well, saw it
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Haskins doing his best Lewerke there. Firing it unnecessarily hard over the head of an open receiver.
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Ever since that first duff, this OSU punter has been their MVP
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He really beefed that first one though.
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Ever since that first duff, this OSU punter has been their MVP
I keep getting about to type an angry screed on punting in those situations then erasing it when he drops another one at the five.
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Considering this is shared duty between our 4th and 5th string punters, they've been surprisingly ok after having two punts of <12 yards last week
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I think, pre penalty, that's still the right call to go for it. But the way this game is going, and the way OSU in punting it, I wouldn't hate the punt call there as an OSU fan
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Especially not with that punt
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The downing rules I can never keep straight. Not sure why
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They are not running any of the slants he was having success with against Purdue. These outside throws are clearly not working for him
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Dropped passes and critical penalties. Can’t win that way.
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It's all slog in East Lansing.
These 7-6 clumsy charms are the types of game older Big Ten fans get nostalgia about.
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That looked intentional
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That looked intentional
Sure did.
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I don't think that was about the Block-for-TD risk. I think it was the cumulative risk of that Block-TD + large punt return (w/ or w/o TD) + TD on short field. In that sense, I think it was the right call. MSU always needed more than a FG (not mathematically but realistically) to fin no matter what.
Plus, now there's a CHANCE to reset the field position game.
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In a 9-6 game getting trounced this bad in special teams is how you lose
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This team just continues to shoot itself.
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I don't think that was about the Block-for-TD risk. I think it was the cumulative risk of that Block-TD + large punt return (w/ or w/o TD) + TD on short field. In that sense, I think it was the right call. MSU always needed more than a FG (not mathematically but realistically) to fin no matter what.
Plus, now there's a CHANCE to reset the field position game.
Unless you give them the ball at the 50 anyway
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This team just continues to shoot itself.
Like kicking the ball out of bounds to hand OSU the ball at the 50 after handing them 2 points in an attempt to reset field position?
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That's right. It's only a *proven* correct decision if OSU doesn't score another TD this game. But it could be the right game theory decision even if it fails that. Just based on given MSU the better chance to keep OSU under 14.
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Dantonio has always been a guy thinking about big plays and the emotion of his team, and that decision looked more about not giving up a big play than the simple nuts and bolts of the call.
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Kansas is beating K State.
USCe is beating Florida.
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Let's hope that's a groin kick and not a core injury.
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Well that's not an injury we can afford to sustain. Big loss just for this third down play alone. He's been MSUs best defender today
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One of these has to go into the end zone right?
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For the sake of the defense's endurance (as well as scoring/field position), the MSU offense *has* to take this 30-50 yards.
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One of these has to go into the end zone right?
Nope.
Story of the game is this OSU punter. He has no joke been the MVP. In a defensive struggle putting three straight inside the 2 is unreal.
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!!!!
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One of these has to go into the end zone right?
Honestly: It was a major mistake to not fair catch many of them.
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Best offensive play of the game for the Bucks
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Like kicking the ball out of bounds to hand OSU the ball at the 50 after handing them 2 points in an attempt to reset field position?
This defense should just quit. Their offense just continuously screws them over
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That's *probably* the game. Let's see what MSU does starting at their 25 before closing the book, though.
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MSU has started their second half drives at the 6, the 1, the 5, the 3 and the 2.
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Kansas is beating K State.
USCe is beating Florida.
Gators up now, erasing 17 pt deficit.
And Dantonio de-pantsing himself in front of 75,000.
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That's *probably* the game. Let's see what MSU does starting at their 25 before closing the book, though.
Run for 6, called back for holding, then three incomplete passes
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Well a strange game and at least special teams showed up.Did I hear that right 6 punts inside the 10
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This defense should just quit. Their offense just continuously screws them over
Yes.
They should.
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Cooper trying to be Bosa there
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Run for 6, called back for holding, then three incomplete passes
Nope, worse.
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Good idea to grease the ball.
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Rocky Lombardi is terrible.
I can see why Mark D would rather play Lewerke with half a shoulder over Rocky.
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BTW, while it is helping my team, I am appalled that MSU just doesn't run the read option with Rocky. He's a hammer running it, and it would create a lot more problems for the Buckeyes (and obviously improve the run game).
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MSU dominating presnap discipline
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That’s just beating yourself. It’s frigid out and the ball is a rock and they’re running pitch plays
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Gators up now, erasing 17 pt deficit.
And Dantonio de-pantsing himself in front of 75,000.
Maybe I should coach a major college program. Can't pass? Way behind? Stop passing. Lo and behold: a lead!
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This defense should just quit. Their offense just continuously screws them over
this MSU team kinda reminds me of Michigan last year.
Defensive effort week in week out is heroic considering how awful the offense is. Feel bad for the players on defense who are playing their asses off.
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No, we're just not that good.
Florida needs to run the ball 8 out of every 10 plays to have a chance at winning.
Just glad he listened to me.
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BTW, while it is helping my team, I am appalled that MSU just doesn't run the read option with Rocky. He's a hammer running it, and it would create a lot more problems for the Buckeyes (and obviously improve the run game).
My thought exactly. Everytime Lombardi reads to run, I think about how off-balance OSU would be if Shea were doing that in between plays to Higdon or a more functional pass game.
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Holy hell did a linebacker just make a play
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That wasn't wrong read, both the back and the keeper we're covered. Stellar
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I don't think returning to Lewerke made sense. I think you have to ride out Lombardi. Both are broken. But Lombardi at least has a winnable ceiling. Lewerke only has a less soul-crushing basement. That's no way to win.
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Luckily for MSU the Buckeye center only knows the snap count on every other play
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Lombardi lacks any touch, but at least he looks like there's a chance. Lewerke isn't even close. And early, when OSU was being honest against the run, Lewerke was missing a lot of open guys. Lombardi was throwing into much tougher coverage, against a DL with it's ears pinned back.
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Ya Lewerke's arm is cold and sore.Lombardi gotta sack up and have at it
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This is like the "screw this" drive the defense had at the end of the UM game, when you can only be on the field, in your own territory, for so long.
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Tater staying in there
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In retrospect, worst thing for MSU may have been that false start on 4th and 1 that forced OSU to punt.
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Think we'll see Tate vs both UM's
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Ick.
Announcers at the end of the Florida 35-31 win:
"Franks (QB) lead his team to a double-digit comeback. He played really well. Blah blah"
Uhhhh, no. His OC stopped calling passing plays and Franks handed the ball off to the tune of 300+ rushing yards. I can handle incompetence, but there's no need for outright lies.
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Jesus christ
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Fumble is no matter. Scoop and score was our only prayer.
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Jesus christ
Would be interested to see the centers PFF rating.
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Jesus christ
It was the only thing that could keep MSU alive.
That kind of thing (miscommunication at the snap when Martell comes in) will be ironed out well before Michigan goes to Columbus, though.
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Fumble is no matter. Scoop and score was our only prayer.
Probably, but ...
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ELA have a little faith......just not too much
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Ugh, still Lewerke
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Nevermind. Lewerke is back in. EOG.
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It was the only thing that could keep MSU alive.
That kind of thing (miscommunication at the snap when Martell comes in) will be ironed out well before Michigan goes to Columbus, though.
Damn straight :017:
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That probably isn't an INT if Austin White doesn't stop his route and ignore the game.
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Lewerke has more tackles than touchdowns in his last three games, so that's something.
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Think we'll see Tate vs both UM's
He looks like he’s 5 ft 8 max.
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Lewerke has more tackles than touchdowns in his last three games, so that's something.
LMAO - well played
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He looks like he’s 5 ft 8 max.
Nobody ever called Dennard stretch
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Nobody ever called Dennard stretch
Denard was definitely bigger than him. And a lot faster.
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Mike Weber with a heck of a game really
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Denard was definitely bigger than him. And a lot faster.
True, but neither Martell's nor Denard's teams could run without them. Their heights aren't relevant to that.
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If nothing else, it was nice to see a physical toughness from the Buckeyes that’s been missing. Doesn’t change anything, but nice to see.
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Denard was definitely bigger than him. And a lot faster.
Next thing you'll tell me he was a better thrower :character0029:
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Next thing you'll tell me he was a better thrower :character0029:
Throwing wasn’t Denard’s strong suite.
I’d love to have seen Denard play RB here.
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Turnovers did us in, but those 5 PI calls in crucial situations helped Indiana tremendously.
Season is over.
Play all the backups, take the remaining 2 losses, and a watch the transfers hit the Oregon Trail.
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Throwing wasn’t Denard’s strong suite.
I’d love to have seen Denard play RB here.
Ya that'd give your boys an interesting option
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Denard was definitely bigger than him. And a lot faster.
I still don’t think I have seen a player with a better “0-60” then Dennard. It was really not human like.
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Sooners with a quick score.
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My chili is done and it is wondrous
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Bah. Rutgers get a 1st down. It was a lot of fun a couple years back when they didn't get a first down until deep into the 4th Q.
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Not sure how that wasn't ruled an Alabama fumble.
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My chili is done and it is wondrous
And somewhere 847 is wolfing down Ocean Carp Sushi
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bleagh
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Damn nice run by the Buffs - TD Colo over the Pirate 6-0
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Didn't expect a defensive struggle to break out in Minneapolis
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Bedlam is so far, well, Bedlam.
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UM getting yardage on the outside, Rutgers holding their own up the middle
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Refs more or less just throw a flag because Iowa begged them to
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barfbuckets.
No shutout. No early 2nd teamers. No joy.
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What the hell was that? Yikes.
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Martin and DPJ with butterfingers on some deep balls.
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Mason not earning brownie points there. Know your role fullback.
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Mason not earning brownie points there. Know your role fullback.
This team is playing some dumb football this 1st qtr.
He had the 1st down and went backwards. Wtf?
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I like what Ben Mason was seeing there. But he's not quite the athlete to pull it off. Keep the yards you have, my man.
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Well Purdue is feeling awfully generous
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This team is playing some dumb football this 1st qtr.
He had the 1st down and went backwards. Wtf?
If it's Evans or DPJ or something, you smack your forehead, but at least you get it for a playmaker.
Fullback, just get your yard and thank your OC that he let you touch the ball.
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Every time Quinn Nordin attempts a PAT or FG, I cringe. This kid was suppose to be the #1 kicker in high school with the biggest leg anyone had seen in years. He’s awful.
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Every time Quinn Nordin attempts a PAT or FG, I cringe. This kid was suppose to be the #1 kicker in high school with the biggest leg anyone had seen in years. He’s awful.
Once your head is weird, it's hard to get back. Kickers are like golfers.
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Wow. More Purdue penalties just let Minnesota stay alive and score again. Weak penalty I might add.
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Never seen a blocked punt go forward 50 yards. Wtf was that?
They’d have been better off letting him punt and letting DPJ return it.
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LaVert Hill going into the locker room. Great.
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Some kid from Baylor just missed a 29 yard FG about as bad as possible to miss a kick that short.
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Well no MOOO but we may get a IOON
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PSU tried the wildcat a few times last week for nothing. So of course rutger morphs into Rutgers to succeed with it. (Or did Michigan morph in michiga?)
/[Repeat of Bleagh]
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Well no MOOO but we may get a IOON
N00I(ce!)
/my apologies
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LaVert Hill going into the locker room. Great.
Did you see what happened there?
He had a limp but it was slight and he left unaided.
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I hate so much about the way Jim Harbaugh chooses to coach his offense.
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What good is a punt there?
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Aw...Iowa field goal
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Virginia Tech is as bad as I’ve ever seen, down 31-7 Vs Pitt.
Looking like Narduzzi will secure his job for another year. Going into this year his seat was one of the hottest; now 5-4 Pitt is in the driver’s seat of their division.
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Virginia Tech is as bad as I’ve ever seen, down 31-7 Vs Pitt.
Looking like Narduzzi will secure his job for another year. Going into this year his seat was one of the hottest; now 5-4 Pitt is in the driver’s seat of their division.
Considering they had PSU, UCF, and ND on the non conference, not bad.
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Virginia Tech is as bad as I’ve ever seen, down 31-7 Vs Pitt.
Looking like Narduzzi will secure his job for another year. Going into this year his seat was one of the hottest; now 5-4 Pitt is in the driver’s seat of their division.
Everyone laughed when he said "we'll see you in Charlotte."
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What good is a punt there?
zero. should’ve went for it tried to get up 28-7.
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Defense not even optional in Bedlam
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Bedlam about to be 34-28 OU going into the half
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Defense not even optional in Bedlam
Never is.
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Kentucky getting shut out 17-0 by Rocky Top is shocking
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Kentucky getting shut out 17-0 by Rocky Top is shocking
Is it really? It’s Kentucky. A basketball school.
Never bought into them as a top 10 team.
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Poor clock management by Murray keeps OU from having a chance to tack on a FG right before the half. 34-28 Sooners.
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Poor clock management by Murray keeps OU from having a chance to tack on a FG right before the half. 34-28 Sooners.
I put that more on the coach. Too tough for a guy to try and run a play in under five seconds.
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Is it really? It’s Kentucky. A basketball school.
Never bought into them as a top 10 team.
No, but Tennessee sucks
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So I guess the DC was the whole problem with the Gophers' defense?
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Karan Higdon great when he’s going north/south. When he’s going sideways or backwards? Eeeeek.
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UM OL has been quite underwhelming today. They had been vastly improved over the course of the year, but today, woof. Patterson has bailed them out a number of times. He's dropping dimes today.
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Is it really? It’s Kentucky. A basketball school.
Never bought into them as a top 10 team.
I go both ways on UK. Their defensive stats are legitimately good. And it's not out of nowhere. They've been robbing that immediately-sub-OSU tier of Ohio recruits from the Spartans and Boilermakers for years now.
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UM OL has been quite underwhelming today. They had been vastly improved over the course of the year, but today, woof. Patterson has bailed them out a number of times. He's dropping dimes today.
Outside of Shea this entire team doesn’t look like they care.
I think it’s gotta be hard to get up for Rutgers.
28-7 now. That should do it.
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I know it's Rutgers, but considering the drops, OL play and lack of run game, this might be the best I've seen Patterson all season.
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UM OL has been quite underwhelming today. They had been vastly improved over the course of the year, but today, woof. Patterson has bailed them out a number of times. He's dropping dimes today.
Palabra a tu mamá
Better in pass pro but on runs up the middle? It's been pathetic.
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I know it's Rutgers, but considering the drops, OL play and lack of run game, this might be the best I've seen Patterson all season.
He’s definitely getting more comfortable in the offense.
By far the best QB that Harbaugh has had in his time at Michigan.
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Wow! What a pass by Sitkowski! That's ... not something I thought he could do.
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So I guess the DC was the whole problem with the Gophers' defense?
Yeesh, 27-3 now?
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Goophs up 27-3
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Good work by BTN crew digging into just how Harbaugh was able to "discover" the DC of the nation's #1 ranked defense.
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OOOOOHH! Poor, poor Chase!
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Good work by BTN crew digging into just how Harbaugh was able to "discover" the DC of the nation's #1 ranked defense.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHA!
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Wow! What a pass by Sitkowski! That's ... not something I thought he could do.
He's got a ton of arm talent. He just shouldn't be playing as an 18 year old surrounded by garbage.
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Should have been a flag
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There are a lot of funny gifs from that 78-0 game, with Chris Ash appearing to cry. But ... that's just his face.
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Northwestern might have fumbled, but got a playoff before the review, which is a touchdown. 7-3 kitties
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Mississippi State is doing a formidable job defensively against Alabama, particularly considering one of the Tides TDs should have instead been a fumble, recovered by the Bulldogs.
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NU up 7-3 on the fighting Ferentz's
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McElwain has really taken DPJ up some notches.
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Mississippi State is doing a formidable job defensively against Alabama, particularly considering one of the Tides TDs should have instead been a fumble, recovered by the Bulldogs.
Also another Bammer touchdown came after the Bulldogs muffed a punt
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Michigan really needs to stay more healthy than this. Hope both Paye and Hill are OK and this is precautionary. Can't afford to lose anyone this close to OSU, let alone in Piscataway.
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Minny up 34-3
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Not sure how that wasn't ruled an Alabama fumble.
Should have been. Also should have been a td for MSU right before half. Refs have been bad this game and it’s to bama’s advantage so far.
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QB's can't slide when they need yards
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Also another Bammer touchdown came after the Bulldogs muffed a punt
It realistically could be 7-7. Probably should only be 14-7 but at worst should be 21-7. Refs doing MSU no favors and MSU making mistakes of their own.
Their dline is playing really good after a rough first qtr.
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It realistically could be 7-7. Probably should only be 14-7 but at worst should be 21-7. Refs doing MSU no favors and MSU making mistakes of their own.
Their dline is playing really good after a rough first qtr.
I frequently pound my head on the wall thinking about how many talented DL MSU had with 10 cent heads. Montez Sweat on Mississippi State, plus Craig Evans, Josh King, Malik McDowell, Andre Robertson. We have an all American DL of guys kicked off the team.
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Bama slowly morphing back into Bama
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If Harbaugh puts Milton in here he’s just dumb.
Peters should be the back up and Milton should redshirt.
Thinking out loud here- how much better would Michigan be right now if they had kept AJ Dillon to pair with Karan Higdon? Probably would’ve let them move Chris Evans to slot WR where he belongs.
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Iowa gets back on top
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Got a ball game in Norman. 35-34 Pokes in the 3rd.
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If Harbaugh puts Milton in here he’s just dumb.
Peters should be the back up and Milton should redshirt.
Thinking out loud here- how much better would Michigan be right now if they had kept AJ Dillon to pair with Karan Higdon? Probably would’ve let them move Chris Evans to slot WR where he belongs.
The only way it makes sense to put Milton in:
If Shea is 100% returning and the plan is to redshirt him next year.
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We got a punt in Bedlam
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The only way it makes sense to put Milton in:
If Shea is 100% returning and the plan is to redshirt him next year.
I’d be kinda shocked if Shea left early.
He played in 3 games as a freshman and 6 as a sophomore before getting hurt.
This is the first full year he’s put together as a starter.
Think he needs to show more to the NFL guys. A lot more.
And I honestly don’t see him as a big time NFL QB prospect. He’s a little under 6’2 and maybe 205 pounds. He has a good enough arm to play at the next level but by no means does he have a cannon like a Stafford or Cam Newton.
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QB's can't slide when they need yards
This is true. But announcers shouldn't be comparing kids to Tim Tebow, either.
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Yeah, preseason there was a bunch of top 10 pick talk, but the FOX NFL Draft guy they had on a couple weeks ago said probably 3rd or 4th round. Absent putting on a total show against OSU and Alabama, he's back.
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Yeah, preseason there was a bunch of top 10 pick talk, but the FOX NFL Draft guy they had on a couple weeks ago said probably 3rd or 4th round. Absent putting on a total show against OSU and Alabama, he's back.
If you add up all the "potential first round talent" guys in preseason each year, you end up with 100 players. There are 32 picks in the first round.
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41-3 Gophers.
Brohm planning his Louisville departure?
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Even if Shea lit it up, really don’t see him as a 1st round QB.
He’s probably really 6’1 and a qtr and 205 pounds. Tell me how many QBs that size go 1st round? If his arm strength and velocity was out of this world then I’d say ya maybe- but his arm is above average. It’s not amazing or anything. Just pretty good.
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41-3 Gophers.
Brohm planning his Louisville departure?
Probably.
Louisville insider with a radio show on ESPN Louisville radio is saying Petrino will be fired before the weekend is over.
If Petrino is fried there’s probably no way Brohm doesn’t take that job. He’s got more ties to Louisville than Jim had to Michigan.
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41-3 Gophers.
Brohm planning his Louisville departure?
That’s a stunning score to me.
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And now Milton is in. Great.
Part of me thinks Harbaugh is slightly retarded.
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Oklahoma gets a TD on the last play of the 3rd to retake the lead 41-35. Shouldn’t have counted. The scoreboard clock was at 0:00 before the snap.
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Probably.
Louisville insider with a radio show on ESPN Louisville radio is saying Petrino will be fired before the weekend is over.
If Petrino is fried there’s probably no way Brohm doesn’t take that job. He’s got more ties to Louisville than Jim had to Michigan.
Perhaps, but the Louisville job isn't the Michigan job, and Brohm wasn't unemployed when it came open.
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Who's this idiot covering the Michigan game.He's explaining the play off scenario and says tOSUs devastating 55 points to Iowa will keep them out.Hey douchenozzle if you hurry you might catch some of 2018
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I didn't think Pitt had this offense
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Holy Wildcat!
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Big replay in Iowa
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Kitties!
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Big replay in Iowa
Not sure there is any debate, easy to see that is a catch
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The Pokes score but miss the XP. Tied at 41 with 12:20 to play.
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Who's this idiot covering the Michigan game.He's explaining the play off scenario and says tOSUs devastating 55 points to Iowa will keep them out.Hey douchenozzle if you hurry you might catch some of 2018
LMAO.
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Supposedly NU has 4 defensive starters out
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41-3 Gophers.
Brohm planning his Louisville departure?
That's cynical but maybe. My thought instead was that this may prolong his stay by a year. I may be too innocently minded this time, though.
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Who's this idiot covering the Michigan game.He's explaining the play off scenario and says tOSUs devastating 55 points to Iowa will keep them out.Hey douchenozzle if you hurry you might catch some of 2018
Haha. But that's not what he was saying. He was saying that "non-SEC champ Alabama going to the CFP instead of a Big Ten champ" isn't a relevant precedent this year. Because last year when it happened to OSU, (1) they were pasted by a meh Iowa team and (b) also lost two games. Whereas this year, Michigan lost a close one to a Top 4 team and will only have 1 loss if they are a candidate.
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I didn't think Pitt had this offense
Did pretty well today IMO
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrrczuwVYAAmeEw.jpg)
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Did pretty well today IMO
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrrczuwVYAAmeEw.jpg)
Holy crap.
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Ok St was driving and coughs it up in OU territory. Tied at 41 with 6:09 left. OU ball.
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Iowa can't hang on and kitties about to clinch
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Haha. But that's not what he was saying.
Yes it was he immediately pointed out M lost on the road to no 3 ranked ND.He confused the opponent,the season and an extra loss.My buddy heard the same thing
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Damn Iowa may never win the west,it was theirs for the taking,UNL,UW down an injured MSU.Final Kitties win
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Wildcats clinch with two game sto go brings a word from our dearly departed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVcqN4RaIqE
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OU cashes in on the turnover. 48-41 with 3:29 to go.
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Yes it was he immediately pointed out M lost on the road to no 3 ranked ND.He confused the opponent,the season and an extra loss.My buddy heard the same thing
I just went back and listened again, since I hadn't changed the channel yet. Not to be a knowitall, but "OSU lost to Iowa this year" is not what he said.
They were talking about whether Michigan is guaranteed to be in if they win out. One guy said Alabama will get in, even if it loses the SECCG and last year is proof of that. Then the guy you're talking about said that last year's precedent doesn't matter. Because OSU got pasted by a bad team and also lost two games. Which is different.
Or maybe you were talking about some other part of their conversation?
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Got a link
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Ok St scores on a 4th and 12. Will Gundy go for two?
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OU holds on the two point attempt. Onside kick coming.
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Got a link
Sure, drive to Bloomington, I'll show you on my DVR.
Anyway, maybe you were talking about a different conversation. Games are long. But at the point I'm describing they were talking about how OSU losing to OU and Iowa last year (and getting passed by a one-loss Bama) doesn't mean Michigan will get passed this year.
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Holy crap.
VT has a ton of injuries and are just in shambles. So Foster sold out against the run and kept crashing the LOS with 7-8 guys. VT actually had 9 TFLs so it kinda worked! only those pesky 8-9 other times the Pitt RBs broke through and there was literally no one to tackle. Plus Pickett had his best game of the year.
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Ok St scores on a 4th and 12. Will Gundy go for two?
Just saw the score. Ick. And OU is a top team?
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Evidently Gundy hadn't had the boys work on that
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Don’t love Gundy’s decision to go for two there. OU still had 1:09 to play with and a FG beats you regardless. Just kick the XP and hope for the best.
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Don’t love Gundy’s decision to go for two there. OU still had 1:09 to play with and a FG beats you regardless. Just kick the XP and hope for the best.
Yeah, I'm torn. It wasn't like WVU last week, Oklahoma still had time
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You don't sport a mullet and kick the XP.
On a serious note, say WV beats OU in Morgantown. What happens with the potential 3-way tie for 2nd place in the BigXII?
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Sure, drive to Bloomington, I'll show you on my DVR.
Anyway, maybe you were talking about a different conversation. Games are long. But at the point I'm describing they were talking about how OSU losing to OU and Iowa last year (and getting passed by a one-loss Bama) doesn't mean Michigan will get passed this year.
I caught it at the very end of the broadcast because it was irrelevant as tOSU already had 2 losses last season.So he either confused seasons and or number of losses.Michigan wins they're in(most prolly)
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OU holds on the two point attempt. Onside kick coming.
Not sure ou held it as much as ok st screwed it up.
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Irish in green
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And they immediately pick off Francois
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Got back from the apple orchards. Fascinating day.
Not sure WTF happened with the Boilers, but I'm glad I didn't have to sit through it.
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And then score a touchdown
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You don't sport a mullet and kick the XP.
On a serious note, say WV beats OU in Morgantown. What happens with the potential 3-way tie for 2nd place in the BigXII?
The ISU-Texas game next week will go a long way in determining that. If ISU wins out and WVU wins out then OU and WVU would rematch the next week. If Texas and WVU win out then UT and WVU would rematch.
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Did Tulane get some massive donation to build an on campus stadium for nobody to go to?
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Got back from the apple orchards. Fascinating day.
Not sure WTF happened with the Boilers
Angry Orchard
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Next week end Wildcats - Gophers could be game of the week
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Sorta moot but I think FSU picked that.
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Oklahoma State basketball also blew a 22 point lead with 12 minutes left and lost to UNC Charlotte. So no matter how your day went, you are probably happier than an Oklahoma State sports fan.
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I must not understand football very well. It seems to me that a merely above-average defense would be an incredible competitive advantage in the Big XII.
And yet, it's 60 minutes of mutual Olé! Is the make-up of Big XII teams (and their apparent emphasis/de-emphasis of O/D) primarily a matter of local recruiting? Tradition? Something else?
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TD Irish
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Florida State has run 6 plays, has four yards, and two turnovers. Tough to win that way. Irish 17-0
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Don’t love Gundy’s decision to go for two there. OU still had 1:09 to play with and a FG beats you regardless. Just kick the XP and hope for the best.
not against it (unless OK's kicker is awful). probably a 50/50 chance Oklahoma drives right down the field. Then there is a 50/50 chance to win in OT.
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If Anthony Brown doesn’t have broken ribs it’s a miracle.
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Watch FSU get trounced or Georgia struggle? Everybody wins!
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Well dammit, UGA stopped struggling...
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The ISU-Texas game next week will go a long way in determining that. If ISU wins out and WVU wins out then OU and WVU would rematch the next week. If Texas and WVU win out then UT and WVU would rematch.
So would WV and OU play the season finale already knowing they'd be rematching the very next week?? This is next-level stupid if so. Like NEVER LET THIS EVER HAPPEN AGAIN-level stupid.
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FSU gets a touchdown, then Irish block extra point and return it. 19-6
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BC with the punt return for a TD.
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So would WV and OU play the season finale already knowing they'd be rematching the very next week?? This is next-level stupid if so. Like NEVER LET THIS EVER HAPPEN AGAIN-level stupid.
No, because they play the Friday after Thanksgiving. Wouldn’t know how it all shakes out until the games on Saturday. But, yeah, it’s stupid. Don’t get me started.
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FSU gets a touchdown, then Irish block extra point and return it. 19-6
Oklahoma got a defensive 2 point conversion last week. Those are super rare. That’s gotta be like the unassisted triple play of football.
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Nice targeting call in Irish game where FSU receiver spears ND defender in the face, and ND gets flagged for targeting.
Edit: Overturned
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BC with the punt return for a TD.
Might be the only way they can score
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No, because they play the Friday after Thanksgiving. Wouldn’t know how it all shakes out until the games on Saturday. But, yeah, it’s stupid. Don’t get me started.
Rooting for it to blow up in their face just because of how much they tout it in commercials like the One True Champ disaster.
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Holy moly. BC had its best drive of the game and they lose 35 yards on a bad snap. Not sure I’ve even seen a team lose that many yards on a bad snap.
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BCs center trying to outdo OSUs
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Wow, refs just handed BC the ball. Horrific missed call
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Wow, refs just handed BC the ball. Horrific missed call
They compensated with a weak holding call on swallowing the whistle on a PI to get Clemson the ball anyway.
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Rooting for it to blow up in their face just because of how much they tout it in commercials like the One True Champ disaster.
I just saw this for the first time, watching UT/TT. It's straight up propaganda. Creepy. Absurd. Embarrassing.
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Rooting for it to blow up in their face just because of how much they tout it in commercials like the One True Champ disaster.
If not for the possibility of playing Oklahoma twice I would be too. WVU even being in contention is sort of a middle finger to the league. When they added the CCG they intentionally moved Bedlam up because they were afraid they might get back to back games between OU-OSU. So the last two seasons WVU has ended the year with OU.
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Purdue pulling away from Ball St.
Thank FSM for basketball season.
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It feels like BC is hanging on by a fingernail but they’re still in it.
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Got back from the apple orchards. Fascinating day.
Not sure WTF happened with the Boilers, but I'm glad I didn't have to sit through it.
First game I have stopped watching since the Hazell era.
Special teams was fine. Nothing else was sane. I can't begin to describe it tonight.
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Holy moly. BC had its best drive of the game and they lose 35 yards on a bad snap. Not sure I’ve even seen a team lose that many yards on a bad snap.
Haha, there are too many repressed memories here, but I think a dig into the recent Michigan dark years will prove that I've seen one worse.
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Justin Fields doing freshman things.
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It feels like BC is hanging on by a fingernail but they’re still in it.
They'll need a couple more punt returns, because I don't see them putting two TD drives together.
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Trevor Lawrence must have studied tape of Nick Fitzgerald with that slide.
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BC challenging PSU for title of heaviest use of pipeid n music. They also play the exact same song after multiple plays in a row.
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I actually love the Big 12 setup. True tround robin, no divisions. Possible immediate rematch but that is no more stupid than possibly having the 3rd or 4th best team in your conference in the championship game (which happens with divisions).
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I actually love the Big 12 setup. True tround robin, no divisions. Possible immediate rematch but that is no more stupid than possibly having the 3rd or 4th best team in your conference in the championship game (which happens with divisions).
A guaranteed rematch before the season even begins is the #1 worst idea, ever. Worse than Leaders & Legends, worse than sandals & socks, even worse than Rutgers' team this year.
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Heyyy, a little nerd outreach:
anybody know where I can find the PASS DEFENSE stats for 1990?
The NCAA website has it from 89-now, except '90 is missing. Collegefooballreference.com doesn't go back that far.
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ASU still controls their destiny to win the Pac-12 South but now has to win 2 in a row on the road to make it happen. Still, not bad for a team picked in the preseason media poll to finish dead last in their division.
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You don't sport a mullet and kick the XP.
On a serious note, say WV beats OU in Morgantown. What happens with the potential 3-way tie for 2nd place in the BigXII?
I think you mean 3-way tie for first place?
If WVU beats OU, and Texas wins out, then the Longhorns own the tie-breaker over OU due to H2H, and would go to the B12 CCG in a rematch against WVU. There's certainly no guarantee Texas will win out, but the Longhorns passed a major hurdle winning on the road @TexasTech tonight. Now there's only ISU at home, and Kansas on the road.
ISU is no gimme, but at home the Longhorns have a good shot at winning.
Edit: Oh wait I think I see where you're coming from. If WVU wins out they'll have sole possession for first place, so you're asking who would represent 2nd? ISU and Texas have yet to play so that will add a loss to one or the other. If ISU wins then OU owns H2H over them and rematches against WVU. If Texas wins then Texas owns H2H over OU and rematches against WVU.
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Heyyy, a little nerd outreach:
anybody know where I can find the PASS DEFENSE stats for 1990?
The NCAA website has it from 89-now, except '90 is missing. Collegefooballreference.com doesn't go back that far.
That's weird. I don't but maybe a bump will help your chances. I know ftbobs's data warehouse site goes back much further than that, but I'm doubting it'll be organized to show a pass defense list per year.
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I actually love the Big 12 setup. True tround robin, no divisions. Possible immediate rematch but that is no more stupid than possibly having the 3rd or 4th best team in your conference in the championship game (which happens with divisions).
If the Big XII eliminated the CCG, it'd be perfect. If you go true round robin (the gold standard conference set up), you don't need a championship game.
I know why the guys in the office with sport coats want a CCG, but how much would Big XII revenue really drop per school without that game? I bet it's $500-700K max.
Not worth it.
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I agree AC and with the increasing likely hood of the Players bolting early,might be the only answer to a reasonable National Champ.It would suck for the OOC over matched opponents hoping for a payday but can't have it both ways
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If the Big XII eliminated the CCG, it'd be perfect. If you go true round robin (the gold standard conference set up), you don't need a championship game.
I know why the guys in the office with sport coats want a CCG, but how much would Big XII revenue really drop per school without that game? I bet it's $500-700K max.
Not worth it.
As long as the committee give bonus points for CCG wins, that's their other incentive. Once it goes to 8 and they all get an auto bid, then I think it makes sense to get rid of it. You get a team in either way, you have a full round robin, and all you do is risk sending your second best team for a little bit of money. Depending on the payout structure of the playoff, you might make more money by sending the team more likely to play two or three games.
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I really hope the CFP at least temporarily stops at 6 before (assuming it can't be never) expanding to 8.
6 > 8 >> 4.
For 6: Five P5 champs. One at-large. The top two get a bye. That's a double bonus for the value of the regular season.
Perfection.
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Even better if CCGs start going away thereafter. But I expect penny pinching will never allow it.
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The NFL has not convinced me a bye is an advantage. Like in the conference tourneys where the top non bye teams have a really good record against the bottom bye team
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That's weird. I don't but maybe a bump will help your chances. I know ftbobs's data warehouse site goes back much further than that, but I'm doubting it'll be organized to show a pass defense list per year.
Thanks.
I've found team passing stats on a site for 1990, BUT not the exact stat I need: yards per attempt.
Frustrating.
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It gives you more than enough info in order to figure it out the old fashioned way.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media/mg/a48e575c-d047-4ba5-89b0-1c8977511564.png)
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Hey, I thought I should ask, so I'll do it here.
Where would a thread about random deep-dive statistical oddities and "Did you know"s belong??? I'm almost always looking up random things in college football and a lot of them are cool enough to share.
Where should that type of thread be?
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It gives you more than enough info in order to figure it out the old fashioned way.
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Ugh.
When it comes to the NCAA's official site and old stats, it's embarrassing. It's old pdf images of old printouts on that paper with alternating lines of white and color. Old, grainy documents. Can't be bothered to type it onto a spreadsheet, I guess. Not like it's from back in the 60s (those don't even exist), it's from the mid-90s. I mean c'mon.
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The NFL has not convinced me a bye is an advantage. Like in the conference tourneys where the top non bye teams have a really good record against the bottom bye team
That may be. Though I think all you need for a 6-team playoff to well serve the regular season is the *perception* of the bye having an advantage. Even if it's a draw or detriment (and I doubt it'd be a clear detriment), I'd expect teams to want the bye.
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I still like the 5-1-2 model best. I'm also interested in only seeding 1-4 and letting those teams, in order, pick their opponent from the other 4.
I also think there needs to be a top 15 or whatever caveat to the auto bids. I like the auto bid idea generally, but I don't like the chance of Northwestern upsetting Michigan or Pitt upsetting Clemson and getting in.
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I still like the 5-1-2 model best. I'm also interested in only seeding 1-4 and letting those teams, in order, pick their opponent from the other 4.
I also think there needs to be a top 15 or whatever caveat to the auto bids. I like the auto bid idea generally, but I don't like the chance of Northwestern upsetting Michigan or Pitt upsetting Clemson and getting in.
And I think rankings should lock before the CCGs, and they just determine auto bids. I hate that you are better off missing your CCG than qualifying and losing.
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5-1-2: Is that five P5 autobids, one at-large, and two Go5's?
That's not bad. I don't think I prefer it, but it would be an improvement.
I like your auto-bid caveat at first, but I think it's just as risky as the problem it attempts to avoid: Top 5 team loses CCG to 6-6 Northwestern ... and backs in anyway, making the CCG irrelevant except to the degree that it gave the team a lower seed.
I think I'd rather watch Northwestern or Pitt get pasted in the playoff.
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5-1-2: Is that five P5 autobids, one at-large, and two Go5's?
That's not bad. I don't think I prefer it, but it would be an improvement.
I like your auto-bid caveat at first, but I think it's just as risky as the problem it attempts to avoid: Top 5 team loses CCG to 6-6 Northwestern ... and backs in anyway, making the CCG irrelevant except to the degree that it gave the team a lower seed.
I think I'd rather watch Northwestern or Pitt get pasted in the playoff.
No, two at large, one Group of 5.
I don't like the "back in" phrase. If they did enough to still be one of the, now 3, at larges, how is that anymore backing in than some team that didn't even qualify for their CCG?
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Pitt would have set the NCAA record for ypp yesterday at 13.9, but they only had 47 offensive plays, and the minimum plays is 50. That's kind of weird considering the reason for not getting there is because they were so good they scored too easily.
Record remains 13.5 by Georgia Tech against Kansas in 2011
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No, two at large, one Group of 5.
I don't like the "back in" phrase. If they did enough to still be one of the, now 3, at larges, how is that anymore backing in than some team that didn't even qualify for their CCG?
I guess "back in" is a flawed and trite way to talk. But it also seems flawed to go into a CCG game knowing that very little is actually being played for. I mean, the championship, but my point is that if the favorite loses and barely cares, that sucks.
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If you eliminate at larges then, I'd be ok with that.
I don't HATE a 12 team, all 10 auto bids, 2 at large model either. I like having a reason to pseudo care about Sun Belt and CUSA races, and let their chamos, a couple at larges, and a conference champion who currently would be excluded play it out to get into a 4 team playoff.
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If you eliminate at larges then, I'd be ok with that.
I don't HATE a 12 team, all 10 auto bids, 2 at large model either. I like having a reason to pseudo care about Sun Belt and CUSA races, and let their chamos, a couple at larges, and a conference champion who currently would be excluded play it out to get into a 4 team playoff.
I'd rather not include the Go5 at all. For example: When it comes to paying players, I'm hoping the schools write zero checks and merely open the players to independently pursue their own market value. But if that doesn't happen and the schools do cut checks, my consolation would be how that forces the Go5 to cut and run into their own level with its own rules, completely insulated from the P5s, perhaps not even permitting OOC games between the P5 and Go5.
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I'm fully on board with players pursuing their own values independently, as long as you still identify and exclude boosters.
I'm also cool with another split, and leaving the Group of 5 behind. But as long as they are all the same level, I kind of like 10-2, if only because there is always a bottom, and if the P5 breaks away, where is the next line?
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I'm fully on board with players pursuing their own values independently, as long as you still identify and exclude boosters.
The trouble with excluding boosters is the missed opportunity to forever stop that kind of illegal thing with transparency ("accept it; it's yours. Now keep track of it with us for tax purposes") in order to voluntarily keep up the blind eye.
Now, I'm OK with what feels like a mistake. Because letting the players grab cash for their image and likeness is revolutionary, so whatever. Plus I think the persuasive element of cheating with boosters will be diminished by players accessing their market value elsewhere. Everyone wants money, but the players don't want to hurt their teams. Where's the break even point where the booster value falls beneath the value of not risking damage to their team?
I also understand the counterargument: that simply legalizing booster payments is unbalanced competitively (Helmet boosters can pay more than non-Helmet boosters). But so are payments from car dealership commercials, etc. And if booster payments become legal, were taxable, and EA sports/advertiser payments prove significant, I think the $100 handshakes (wouldn't strictly go away but) would become much less prominent, and the problem will have partially resolved itself.
I'm also cool with another split, and leaving the Group of 5 behind. But as long as they are all the same level, I kind of like 10-2, if only because there is always a bottom, and if the P5 breaks away, where is the next line?
If Northwestern and Pitt get in, isn't that the bottom? I wasn't imagining the CCG winners taking the top seeds. I was just figuring that they'd be a lock to get in. And then seeded by a committee, with NU and Pitt at the bottom because who could be lower?.
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If booster payments are legal, just skip two steps ahead and let the 7 or so helmet teams go play with themselves.
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And I think rankings should lock before the CCGs, and they just determine auto bids. I hate that you are better off missing your CCG than qualifying and losing.
I don’t think all rankings should be locked in prior to the CCG’s but I think the teams that didn’t make it to their CCG should hit their rankings ceiling that week. So last year Bama was 5 going into championship weekend. That’s as high as they could go. They could drop, but not go up. Teams that qualify for the CCG can go up or down.
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I don’t think all rankings should be locked in prior to the CCG’s but I think the teams that didn’t make it to their CCG should hit their rankings ceiling that week. So last year Bama was 5 going into championship weekend. That’s as high as they could go. They could drop, but not go up. Teams that qualify for the CCG can go up or down.
That's fair. I don't care what the mechanism is. I just don't think teams that weren't good enough to make their own CCG should be able to move above teams that lose said CCG
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I still like the 5-1-2 model best. I'm also interested in only seeding 1-4 and letting those teams, in order, pick their opponent from the other 4.
I also think there needs to be a top 15 or whatever caveat to the auto bids. I like the auto bid idea generally, but I don't like the chance of Northwestern upsetting Michigan or Pitt upsetting Clemson and getting in.
either the conference championship means something or it doesn't
you don't get a bump for beating a good team like Northwestern, but Northwestern doesn't get in for pulling the upset?
if it's s poor way to determine the conference champ then do away with the champ game to avoid upsets that clearly aren't the best team in the conference
hey, it's a stupid single elimination tournament anyway, so why not allow Northwestern this season if they knock off OSU or UofM?
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Because valuing one game over 12 is dumb.
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Because valuing one game over 12 is dumb.
So you would still want a poll after the championship game?
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You said after the CCG. Once the playoff starts, there's no need. But yeah, I'd like one - not for the top spot, but to see the top 10.
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But yeah, say we end up with an 8-team playoff and the championship game is an undefeated team vs a 3-loss team. If the undefeated team loses, we'd have a 3-loss national champ. Not the best team, not the best resume, they just happened to win the final game.
Wouldn't that be fun.
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You said after the CCG. Once the playoff starts, there's no need. But yeah, I'd like one - not for the top spot, but to see the top 10.
Why would 1 game trumping 12 there make any more sense if that's the mentality?
That's the point, not all games are valued equally. If Alabama blows Auburn and Georgia out of the water, and loses by 1 in the semifinal, by your argument, they should still advance. Based on 13 games, they are still one of the two best teams
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But yeah, say we end up with an 8-team playoff and the championship game is an undefeated team vs a 3-loss team. If the undefeated team loses, we'd have a 3-loss national champ. Not the best team, not the best resume, they just happened to win the final game.
Wouldn't that be fun.
Win your conference -> get into the playoff.
Win the playoff -> you're the champion.
Happens in almost every other sport. They've got other things, such as wild card, or in the proposed 5+1+2, an "at large" berth, to take care of worthy teams who didn't win their conference.
But all this "best team" stuff is just helmet-glorification.
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But all this "best team" stuff is just helmet-glorification.
yup, and for over 100 years it seemed to work and be more than a little popular
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Because valuing one game over 12 is dumb.
agreed, but that's what the conferences are doing to decide their champion
so conference championship games are dumb
conferences with more members than can all play each other in the same season are dumb
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Agreed.
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Week 11 PS3 Sim Tourney Bracketology
| | BUFFALO |
3 | | NOTRE DAME |
| | NOON - espn2 |
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| | UAB |
2 | | CLEMSON |
| | 1:30 - ESPN |
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12 | | SYRACUSE |
5 | | GEORGIA |
| | 3:00 - ABC |
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23 | | UTAH STATE |
4 | | MICHIGAN |
| | 4:30 - espn2 |
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11 | | CENTRAL FLORIDA |
6 | | OKLAHOMA |
| | 6:00 - ESPN |
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10 | | OHIO STATE |
7 | | LSU |
| | 7:30 - ABC |
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| | TROY |
1 | | ALABAMA |
| | 9:00 - espn2 |
| . | |
9 | | WEST VIRGINIA |
8 | | WASHINGTON STATE |
| | 10:30 - ESPN |
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I don't like a playoff scheme that offers a better than 50% chance that the playoff champion is not the best team.
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I don't like a playoff scheme that offers a better than 50% chance that the playoff champion is not the best team.
I've certainly never been proposing that 16 team format as what I want to happen.
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Even an 8 team playoff makes it likely that the champion will not be the "best team".
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The best team is Alabama.
If that's all you care about, don't have a playoff (which I'm also cool with). Alabama may not wind up being the playoff winner, but there's no LIKELY outcome at this point that would make me think they aren't the best team.
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I like the four team set up. It is a balance between giving the best team a good shot at winning and not leaving out the real best team. I doubt the teams ranked 5th or 6th are the real best team more than one time in ten years, if that.
I could go with 6 personally, but I think that is over the edge of the ideal compromise.
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I think the #5 or #6 team could absolutely be the best team, but personally I don't care about that. They didn't have the resume to warrant a chance to prove that, and I care more about resume than eye test or actual talent.
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They COULD BE, but I think it happens once in a decade, maybe. The COM should be able to find a best team with four shots.
That last spot will nearly always be contentious, whether 4 or 6 or 8 or 16.
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Your 8/9, 7/10, and 6/11 games this week would all be fascinating, ELA. I guess that's prob true every week and I hadn't noticed.
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Yeah, if we just was the truest full season champ, I'd like to return to a poll based method, pre-1998. But I gave up with that argument because I'm happier when my words aren't pointless. Now I accept that we're doing this thing, and accept that it's already crushed bowl (Rose) traditions and risks encroaching on the import of the regular season. So I just want the smallest playoff to include P5 champions. So I want 6.
We're in this weird inflection point where even people who hated the idea of going from two to four think it'd be far better if we grew from four to six.
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Whatever the system is, I want autobids. The conference championship games have turned into glorified scrimmages because it's not clear whether they impact the playoffs or not. Sucks all the wind out of them. I never loved them in the first place, but they are here and they are staying so might as well make them mean something.
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Expand playoff to include six teams. P5 conference champions automatically get a bid. The sixth slot can be at large for independents or members of non-P5 conference. If you're in a P5 conference and not the champion, too bad. I don't care if you're ranked #2 and some other P5 champion is ranked 30.
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Whatever the system is, I want autobids. The conference championship games have turned into glorified scrimmages because it's not clear whether they impact the playoffs or not. Sucks all the wind out of them. I never loved them in the first place, but they are here and they are staying so might as well make them mean something.
Because we've devalued conference championships. Used to be you were playing for a championship and the right to go to the Rose, Sugar, Orange, whatever, and let the chips fall where they may.
Now, nobody seems to care. Occasionally you have 2015 Michigan State-Iowa or 2017 Georgia-Auburn, that is a true play in game for the CFP, but usually it's one team playing for a CFP, and another team just playing spoiler, who, oh yeah, happens to be playing for a championship. If it winds up being Michigan-Northwestern, Northwestern is playing for a BIG TEN TITLE AND A ROSE BOWL BIRTH(!!!), but all everyone will say is they are trying to play spoiler.
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Your 8/9, 7/10, and 6/11 games this week would all be fascinating, ELA. I guess that's prob true every week and I hadn't noticed.
Yeah, usually the Go5 champs suck up the bottom 5 spots, but then 6-11, 7-10, 8-9 are fun. With UCF up in the mix, it actually extends things out to 5-12. It's a little jaded this week because Syracuse fills that 12 slot. They finish against Notre Dame and then at Boston College, so they'll either plummet or prove they belong. Right behind them are Florida, Penn State and Texas, who, while maybe not much better than Syracuse, add a lot of helmet value to the field.
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I'd be more likely support another split in Div 1 sports than an expansion to 8 teams in a playoff. Ironically, I'd be in more support of a 16 team playoff and home games for the early rounds. imo, historically, there is less separation between #8 and #16 than #1 and #8
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Play ins would have been more likely with the Leaders and Legends, but that sucked for other reasons, some of which also diminished the regular season.
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Nobody talks about a 5-team playoff, but if the P5 split off, that could be the dreamiest for its straightforward seeding.
The tourney itself might seem convoluted but not really:
First weekend:
4 versus 5
Second weekend:
1 victor versus 4/5 victor
2 versus 3
Then the national championship.
No at-larges. No Go5 jockeying.
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It's simple. Pre-BCS, the MNC was entirely a beauty contest. It was almost impossible to "settle it on the field", so voters decided who the "best" team was, and that was your champion.
BCS was a little better, but still a beauty contest. Voters and computers decided who the best team(s) were, and settled it on the field.
CFP is a little better, but still a beauty contest. The committee decides who the best team(s) are, and settle it on the field.
But in no way can you say the path to the championship is objective or earned. Teams can't figure out preseason what to do to maximize their odds. Is it limiting losses? Is it good OOC scheduling? Is it having a CCG or not having a CCG?
The simple fact is that there is no one path to the championship. The path is highly different for an Alabama vs a Purdue. An 11-1 Alabama that doesn't even go to its CCG will have a good shot at getting in. An 11-1 Purdue who narrowly misses their CCG will not. Ever. An 11-2 Alabama that wins it's CCG might get into the championship. An 11-2 Purdue will not. Ever. Because Alabama is one of the "best" teams despite two losses, and Purdue is not. One passes the "eye test". The other does not. It's all subjective.
If you want a "true" champion, you have to give teams a path to the championship. Win your conference, you're in.
Yes, that might result in a year that a team that is not the "best" team actually winning the whole damn thing. But you'll never be able to say that they didn't earn the title of champion.
If you want to crown the "best" team the champion, go back to the pre-BCS system. If you want a true champion, settle it ON the field.
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If you want to crown the "best" team the champion, go back to the pre-BCS system.
Yes please!
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Well back in the day, we had 5th-ranked teams leapfrogging 4 teams, not all of which had lost their bowl games, and winning the mythical NC. Imagine that today (pre-playoff).
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I always start the playoff "question" with trying to state my goals in any scheme. Once I figure that out, the rest gets easier, I think.
My main goal is to be entertained. One of the entertaining things to me in CFB is its messiness. I'm fine with messy, lack of specificity, no clear champion, mythical creatures all of it, but I also like having "significant post season games" that mean something.
One dude on ESPN last night said Bama is IN even if they lose to Auburn AND Georgia. I think he was trying to be, well ESPNish of course.
I occasionally channel surf to Feinbaum but I can't watch for more than 30-60 seconds especially if he has callers.
I once called a Cincy radio show, I forget who hosted it. My point was to AGREE with a point the host had just made about UK basketball, and the host dude basically told me I was insane and ignorant and hung up and went on a tirade. He pretty much told ever male caller they were idiots, and yet males would call him frequently. It was his schtick of course. He was nice to the ladies in the main.
He was a former Bengal TE I think. Trumpy, was his name oddly enough now that it comes to me, Bob Trumpy. Someone told me he was very different in real life.
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I occasionally channel surf to Feinbaum but I can't watch for more than 30-60 seconds especially if he has callers.
Me either,he resembles a bucket of chapped assholes
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A bucket full of warm camel spit.
A burlap bag full of bobcats.
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Option B
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The best team is Alabama.
If that's all you care about, don't have a playoff (which I'm also cool with). Alabama may not wind up being the playoff winner, but there's no LIKELY outcome at this point that would make me think they aren't the best team.
if Georgia ins the SEC champ game over Bama, and then Clemson or Notre Dame beat Bama in the first round of the playoff, you would still consider Bama the best team?
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Yeah, if we just was the truest full season champ, I'd like to return to a poll based method, pre-1998. But I gave up with that argument because I'm happier when my words aren't pointless. Now I accept that we're doing this thing, and accept that it's already crushed bowl (Rose) traditions and risks encroaching on the import of the regular season. So I just want the smallest playoff to include P5 champions. So I want 6.
We're in this weird inflection point where even people who hated the idea of going from two to four think it'd be far better if we grew from four to six.
I'm absolutely fine with leaving out on P5 champ. Heck, I don't have a problem leaving out 3 and just going with the 2-team playoff.
Earn your way in the playoff with your play on the field. If that means playing a tougher schedule because of your conference, so be it.
Invites for the opportunity to grab the golden ring at the end of the season shouldn't be passed out to just any team. And I certainly not worried about the fairness issue. College football has been anything but fair for over 100 years, there's no easy way to make it fair. First step might be to change the shape of the football so it would bounce fairly.