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Topic: Texas struggling with Kansas?

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 11:25:41 AM »
So whether it's youth, injuries, rotten performance, what have you, they Texas Defense cannot get in the way of anyone right now - except on those occasions where they manage to tackle themselves.

Texas had a ton of talent coming into the season. A half-ton of that talent is now in the trainer's room being repaired. I've lost track of who is expected back, and who is just rehabbing for next year.

Anyhoo, Texas builds itself on a lot of moving parts. Players are cross trained at many positions, so a guy who looks like he's playing LB might drop to the DE spot or float to a shallow nickel spot - only to be replaced by a blitzing S who had the DT drop. When it works, it leaves opposing OL wondering who their assignment is, and QBs wondering where the open windows are.

Obviously, this arrangement relies on players understanding their role exactly in a given deployment and given call. During this season, because of substitution, too many players have moved to too many different positions. The result is reigning confusion. Players are out of position, or (more frequently) standing static - allowing the offense to operated on a very elementary level. Defensive linemen are getting double teamed because of no fear of pressure, and the secondary just tries to keep up.

Texas probably didn't take KU seriously enough, and the new OC changed a few things for the better. However, two incompetently executed 4th and 2 calls (the decision to go for it notwithstanding - the play calls were inexcusably bad) led to unnecessary points. All this would have been a line item in the box score had Texas then not uncharacteristically turned the ball over twice within 30 yards of its own goal line (which does seem to be characteristic - turnovers are almost always underneath the goal posts this season).

KU overperformed. They're not going 0'fer in the conference. However, Texas needs help on defense, and unless players heal to preseason form, I'm not sure how to reconstruct it mid-season.
What OU's DC Alex Grinch has done is something very different.  He has simplified the defensive schemes so that players are freer to attack the ball.  For years, we had been hearing Mike Stoops (and Brent Venables before him, for that matter), tell us that the players weren't lining up right, they weren't in the proper "fits," etc.  The fan analysis was that the defense must be too complex.  Well, Alex Grinch has simplified it, and along with other changes, has produced a defense far superior to what we had the last couple of years.
Tackling is a tough issue to address in mid-season.  OU had tackling problems for what seemed to be the entirety of Mike Stoops' second run as OU DC.  He continually was going to address it in practice, but it never got fixed.  Grinch made it a point of emphasis from the first day of spring practice and it has worked.  I doubt that Todd Orlando emphasizing it more on "Tough Tuesday" will get the job done.
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 11:31:08 AM »
I'd disagree on the second part.  Depending on what's been taught already, tackling drills specifically to clean up angles and approach can be beneficial on pretty short notice.  Some of what ails Texas is actual tackling technique, which can be harder to clean up in season, but some of what ails them is curable.    

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 11:34:54 AM »
yup, especially with multiple injuries, younger or less experienced players moving into starting rolls, it's time to go back to the "base" defense and just play w/o all the shifting and moving to different positions and roles

it's not just lack of game snaps, it's mostly lack of practice reps for 2nd and 3rd or 4th string players
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 12:11:08 PM »
Well, being able to get a player on the ground once a defender reaches him is another issue for Texas altogether.

A lot of the tackling issues stem from a failure of the player to bring his feet with him, that is, he launches himself at the tackle rather than running through it. Of course, over the last two weeks, the players in question have largely been CeeDee Lamb and Pooka Williams. Trying to fit up to either one, even when you're right in front of them, is a challenge for almost every player. They're just that good.

If Texas rushes 3, they're never getting to the QB. Eventually (not that long, really), a receiver will spring open - something that shouldn't occur with 8 defenders dropping. If they bring 5+, the time frame to the QB is shortened considerably, but they still almost never manage the sack. The Texas defenders are still athletic, and when told to run with a receiver can still usually manage it. However, Big 12 QBs are adept at dropping passes on a dime to defeat even tight 1 on 1 coverages.

Most teams that suffered the DB injuries Texas has would be playing walk-ons and undersized LBs. It's uncanny. However, the league isn't going to take that into account. We're still going to have to learn better defense.

As an aside, the KU QB needs to change running technique. He leads with his helmet battering ram style exactly how the NCAA has been ejecting players for over the last 3 years. I'm not seriously expecting the starting QB to be ejected for targeting, but he's going to seriously hurt himself or someone else if he doesn't learn to clean it up.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 01:12:02 PM »
A lot of the tackling issues stem from a failure of the player to bring his feet with him, that is, he launches himself at the tackle rather than running through it.

Collision tackling.  I hate it.  It's the calling card today for most DB's however, because they are lightweight track stars designed to keep up with receivers.  They're not really physically built to wrap up steamrolling RB's.  And plus they don't want to for fear of getting hurt.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 02:26:25 PM »
At least two of the injuries to our defensive players are a direct result of poor tackling form.  Leading with the helmet has always been against the rules, not because of the danger it poses to the ballcarrier, but rather to the tackler. They've literally knocked themselves out of the game (and in one case resulted in a targeting penalty as a bonus).

Extremely bad fundamentals, from the majority of defensive players.  It's brutal to watch.  

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2019, 02:28:54 PM »
no excuse

most highly recruited corners are long and lanky

use those long arms to wrap up, keep your head up so you can see what you're doing
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2019, 06:03:27 PM »
It's not just fundamentals though. These guys are way overthinking things, getting into weird headspace.  I think droog would point out, they're not trusting their coaching and they're not trusting each other.  Take a look at this GIF, which I think pretty much sums up where our defense is right now:



I mean, there are EIGHT guys back in coverage covering FOUR receivers.  I especially like how Texas has 2-deep bracket coverage on the official.  That'll show 'em!

For reference, Kansas WR #2, seen at the back left of the endzone streaking toward the center, easily caught the pass that hit him without a defender within 6 or 7 yards.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2019, 07:15:01 PM »
I dunno, man....you can't just let those back judges roam free.  They are matchup nightmares in the redzone.  

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2019, 08:38:03 PM »
Looks to me like they're in zone coverage, and nobody's got (or knows he has) responsibility for the back half of the end zone.  OTOH, shallow-center and shallow-left are very well-covered.
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2019, 08:56:05 AM »



I don't want to dawg on our guys, but bless their hearts - two guys covering shallow left, and a third making a break in that direction.  Geez, maybe this is injuries causing this.  I can't imagine such ineptitude unless it's backups.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2019, 09:11:59 AM »
Inexperience 

Im sure that between last game and next every DB will see that video 100 times with a what

could you have been thinking question from the coaches

we fans are just gonna have to be patient and they will come along
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2019, 09:20:31 AM »
The only person in this photo that's actually covered is the one who ends up catching the pass (for the 2 pt conversion that sent KU ahead for a minute, but almost nearly the only minute that mattered).

The left pylon throw is open. None of the THREE players near that receiver are in position to do anything about the pass. The center drag route has a beautiful passing window through the OL. Possibly the safety deep could get a hand to the ball, but he'd have to run through the receiver to affect it if the receiver squares his shoulders to the QB. It's hard to tell about the X receiver in the right end zone, but since he's deep with no defender in the frame, I'm guessing a quick curl puts him in position for the necessary catch.

Of course, none of this happened. Stanley simply waited a second until the back line popped free. With zero pressure, time was always his ally.

Any team in D1 would fight to get any single player Texas has on the field during this play. They're well thought of, talented guys. Like Utee says, they're thinking rather than playing. I'm hoping the infirmary list clears up a bit this week, and they rediscover the edge.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2019, 10:45:50 AM »

I just fear it's starting to show that Herman is an offensive coach, and I'm not in a hurry to become Houston just yet.

 

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