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utee94

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Re: Texas - LSU
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2019, 11:31:56 AM »
Watch any SEC game where the opponent is likely to run more than 60 snaps per game. The defenders fall over faster than an Italian striker.
I don't really watch SEC games, other than an occasional Aggie game with my i s c & a aggie wife.  I've never noticed them doing this.

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« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2019, 11:37:36 AM »
I beg your pardon.  How do you know this?  On multiple occasions, Texas was rolling and the LSU defense was gassed.

Texas did not score on every possession.
Indeed, on the possession I cited, the fake cramping almost  certainly affected the outcome of the drive.  Texas rolling, gets a first down, about to run another HUNH play, LSU defender fakes an injury, and not only does it prevent Texas from getting off the play within the perfectly legal rhythm and cadence of its offense, it ends up giving the LSU defense a free 3.5 minute timeout.  They get to substitute, they get water, they get sideline and on-field coaching, they get 3.5 minutes of rest, and all without being charged a timout.  The only downside is the player that faked the injury only sits out one play.

Result was a stalled drive for Texas, a missed field goal, and a turnover on downs.

This happened 13 times in the game, which resulted in LSU being granted 19 timeouts.  

As I said before, I've never, ever seen a team get 19 timesouts-- all on defense, all when being abused by a powerful offense.  I've just never seen that in my life.  And I hope I never see it again, but I'm pretty sure I will because I'm pretty sure it's about to become the norm.

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« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2019, 11:37:57 AM »
The problem is, we culturally no longer have an "honor system".

Years ago, many things in sports, and in life, were non-issues due to the honor system.  It comes down to the value of integrity - which has been a plummeting stock.

Not just a football thing.

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« Reply #101 on: September 10, 2019, 11:39:45 AM »
The problem is, we culturally no longer have an "honor system".

Years ago, many things in sports, and in life, were non-issues due to the honor system.  It comes down to the value of integrity - which has been a plummeting stock.

Not just a football thing.
Totally agree with you there.

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« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2019, 11:44:00 AM »
An extension of that honor system would be spectators that applauded injured players - no matter which team.

But now look what faking injuries has caused.  Jeering fans.  And I don't want to hear a word about it from teams like LSU.

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« Reply #103 on: September 10, 2019, 11:56:21 AM »
An extension of that honor system would be spectators that applauded injured players - no matter which team.

But now look what faking injuries has caused.  Jeering fans.  And I don't want to hear a word about it from teams like LSU.
The first 3 or 4 times it happened, Texas fans were polite and were either quiet, or even applauded after the fake-injured player stood and went to the sideline.

After that, we finally figured out just how bush league they were being, and large percentage of the stadium began booing their fake injuries.  

I think one of those might have actually been a legit injury, but there's a story about crying wolf, and at the end of that one, the entire flock of sheep ends up on the menu.

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« Reply #104 on: September 10, 2019, 12:35:22 PM »
Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich. 

I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot. 

Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years. 

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« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2019, 01:04:37 PM »
Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich.

I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot.

Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years.
Ive seen no complaints about the refs on this thread

as far a an sec team taking dives to stop the momentum of a drive

its done a lot throughout the sec

put down your beer and pay attention next time
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« Reply #106 on: September 10, 2019, 01:24:19 PM »
Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich.

I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot.

Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years.

Dude, you're projecting or something here.  Nobody's talking about the refs.  Well, other than one comment droog made about a missed holding call, but I saw a holding non-call for Texas' o-line as well.  Nobody's complaining about the officiating so I'm not sure why you'd even bring it up, unless you're pushing an agenda.

But the South American soccer-style flopping and fake injuries?  You better believe that's noteworthy.  Maybe you're "accustomed" to it because SEC teams do it all the time?  Not sure, I don't watch enough SEC football to know.  But against Texas it was obvious, ubiquitous, and egregious.

And if you actually read the thread, you'll note that nobody even brought it up, until CWS mentioned Ed Orgeron's bullshit lie about not having A/C in the locker room, which he clearly did to provide a red herring regarding all the fake injuries his team wracked up because he was starting to take heat in the media about it.





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« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2019, 09:07:41 PM »
this has been going on since the first no-huddle hurry up offense

it's deplorable, but not illegal

I don't care for fast paced offenses either.. Although Scott Frost seems to like it.

bottomline:  if your offense can't beat the defense and score points w/o the uptempo advantage, you need a better offense
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« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2019, 09:14:20 PM »
Well that's certainly one way to look at it.

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« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2019, 09:18:03 PM »
I think that's an appropriate rule.  If an injury is so severe that you have to roll around on the turf and stop the entire game for 3-5 minutes, then sitting out one play certainly isn't enough time for a medical staff to evaluate you properly and determine if you're ready to go back onto the field.

I'd like to see this, just to speed up play.  

WAY too many times, I see a 300+ lb defensive lineman that likes to flex like a badarse after a tackle for loss, have an injury to his hand or forearm or shoulder take a few steps towards the sideline, then lay down on the field and wait for the trainer.

If the injury isn't life threatening or could possibly do more damage to your ankle or knee or broken leg, GET OFF the field!
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« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2019, 10:39:44 PM »
this has been going on since the first no-huddle hurry up offense

it's deplorable, but not illegal

I don't care for fast paced offenses either.. Although Scott Frost seems to like it.

bottomline:  if your offense can't beat the defense and score points w/o the uptempo advantage, you need a better offense
In Play-Slow Utopia, is the offense allowed to work quickly when trying to come back late in the half or game?
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Re: Texas - LSU
« Reply #111 on: September 11, 2019, 10:14:56 AM »
In reality, HUNH punishes bad match ups more than pace. The defense just gets the wrong group on the field. The offense has a mismatch that they can exploit, and starts dogging them for it. As long as the offense keeps going, the defense can't fix their mistake.

Except they can, by calling a time out. In hindsight, that's really what Texas should have done on the ill fated 3rd and 17. They had a good package on the field for a 10 yard game (obviously), and I guess hoped that LSU would play to increase punt range. Instead, LSU played to get the 1st down. With no time to diagnose the attack, the Texas defense went with the pressure package they had on the field.

As part of football strategy, teams may want to give more thought to tactical use of times out on defense.

Of course, a LB (certain to be replaced in the new package) could have simply gotten a "cramp" after 2nd down and effected the 8 DB substitution package anyway...

 

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