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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: utee94 on September 04, 2019, 09:57:21 PM
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Man I sure wish MDT would swing by and mix it up with us.
Should be a lot of fun. It's gonna be hot in Austin, over 100 during the day, thankfully this is a night game.
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Man I sure wish MDT would swing by and mix it up with us.
Should be a lot of fun. It's gonna be hot in Austin, over 100 during the day, thankfully this is a night game.
yep it will only be 95 at kickoff
Im surprised we havent heard from Mike
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SEC! SEC! SEC!
Missouri@@@ Tennesseee$%^&*( South Carolina *****
Arkans #### New Miss %%%%
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I think this would be a huge win for Texas, but only a modest win for LSU, the thinking being that Texas is viewed as being back- maybe, and LSU has been around near the top of the SEC-W for years now. An LSU loss would solidify Texas as being back while an LSU would not mean all that much for LSU, and a close lose for Texas would not damage their image that much.
The game could be like the Oregon-Auburn game, and not really say that much about either except that Texas is "pretty much back". A blow out either way would of course alter perceptions, but I don't expect that.
I of course have no clue who will win, or who is favored, I have a vague notion LSU sneaks out with a close W, like 27-24.
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I don't know, that seems like a fairly SEC-centric view of the situation.
LSU hasn't played for the NC since 2007. Texas played for it in 2009.
LSU hasn't played for its conference championship since 2011. Texas played for its conference championship just last year in 2018.
This game is a border war between schools that compete frantically over recruits, as well as a game between top 10 teams. The stakes look pretty similar to me. *shrug*
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Both Texas and LSU (in post 2000 memory) can be viewed as 2nd banana teams. They've had really strong periods, and even won meaningful hardware, but have largely been in the shadow of another program nearby.
Texas has had the more precipitous drop. Rather than falling behind one main rival, it fell off its perch to struggle with less historically strong programs. The Longhorns have worked hard and done the right things. Improvement can be seen on the field and in the record book. After UGA, Texas asserted that it was "back". Being "back" can only be borne out over time. This game is an opportunity to solidify "back".
That's the ethereal part. The nuts and bolts of the current situation, as I see it, are thus:
1) The Texas offense against the LSU defense. The Tiger defense is for real! They have playmakers at every position. Whatever the Texas offense thinks they've achieved in the offseason vis a vis OL play and more fully developed receivers will need to prove itself Saturday. Even typing the words "ball security" seems like a betrayal of Sam's mindset, but it sums up a lot. Yards and points will be earned. We'll see if the improvement is real.
2) The LSU offense against the Texas defense. In years' past, I wouldn't expect the Tigers to generate much. They typically had no real identity, and just generally defaulted to a state of running straight ahead for a while. That works when your opponent is out-athleted, but not when the talent is equal. This year, though, LSU thinks they've become a "spread" team. In the SEC, this will serve them well, ultimately. In this game, though, it can only hurt.
LSU is learning how to play a style of offense that Texas has had to defend every week in conference play for the last 10 years. They've devoted their recruiting and development efforts to stopping the best spread teams in college football. Perhaps the Tigers will succeed despite this. Playing Todd Orlando's defense in Austin, TX is no place to be learning the spread offense, though.
Also, during warmups and the 1st quarter, it should be around 120 degrees on the visitor sideline. The Texas sideline should only be a shade cooled 105.
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If Texas wins, it indeed states they are "back". If LSU loses, a close game, it just means they lost to a good team, out of conference, no real damage to them.
Plus they get the SEC bump of 8 places in both polls anyway.
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My seats this week are in the NEZ, should be completely shaded by kickoff. Giddyup!
For the Texas offense vs. LSU defense, I think Sam is the difference maker. He's a leader and a badass and a game changer, with his arm or his feet. It feels good to finally have a QB that not only is NOT a liability, but is actually an asset. We honestly haven't seen that since Colt McCoy left, aside from a handful of games where David Ash was healthy and experienced.
For the LSU offense vs. the Texas defense, I couldn't agree more with droog. Texas faces the best spread offenses with the best spread offense personnel in college football on a weekly basis. I do believe that "new" LSU offense is likely to serve them well in the SEC. But I think it's going to be a liability for them on Saturday against Texas.
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If Texas wins, it indeed states they are "back". If LSU loses, a close game, it just means they lost to a good team, out of conference, no real damage to them.
Plus they get the SEC bump of 8 places in both polls anyway.
If Texas beats LSU and then loses to Oklahoma State 2 weeks later then nobody will think Texas is "back" despite OkState perhaps being a very good team this year.
I really don't see the stakes as being any higher for one team or the other. If you assume that all SEC teams are great and all B12 teams are crap, then sure, beating LSU is a bigger deal for Texas than beating Texas would be for LSU.
I don't make that assumption. So I don't arrive at that conclusion.
I do however agree that win or lose, LSU will rise 8 spots on the polls.
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People look at teams that have been winning consistently differently than those who have not been, but suddenly had a good year. That good year has an asterisk attached.
LSU has been doing pretty well year after year after year. Texas* has not. For Texas*, it just means more.
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People look at teams that have been winning consistently differently than those who have not been, but suddenly had a good year. That good year has an asterisk attached.
LSU has been doing pretty well year after year after year. Texas* has not. For Texas*, it just means more.
If you dont think it means a whole lot to LSU fans just see what happens should the Horns win
Id be willing to bet there would be talk of firing their HC
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If you dont think it means a whole lot to LSU fans just see what happens should the Horns win
Id be willing to bet there would be talk of firing their HC
Sure there would, but should there be? Firing their coach for losing to a top 10 blueblood?
That would be pure SEC arrogance right there.
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Yeah, I’m not buying that a LSU win wouldn’t mean all that much. It’s still Texas and they are coming off a top 10 season and currently ranked top 10.
The last few years LSU has been good, but not great. I think LSU is trying to prove they belong in the NC discussion again along with UGA and Bama. A big road win on national television would help solidify that.
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Yeah, I’m not buying that a LSU win wouldn’t mean all that much. It’s still Texas and they are coming off a top 10 season and currently ranked top 10.
The last few years LSU has been good, but not great. I think LSU is trying to prove they belong in the NC discussion again along with UGA and Bama. A big road win on national television would help solidify that.
Exactly. Like I said, and no offense intended, but I think CD is coming at it from an SEC-centric perspective.
Nationally, there aren't any more people saying LSU is a national championship type team, than there are people saying the same thing about Texas. It's roughly zero people for either team.
LSU has been better than Texas over the past 5 years, no doubt about it. But the records below certainly aren't awe-inspiring, nor are they representative of a team that's always just on the cusp of making it to the elite level.
2014: 8-5
2015: 9-3
2016: 8-4
2017: 9-4
2018: 10-3
LSU is basically in the same boat as Texas. Recent recruiting success combined with a coaching change is raising expectations, and this is what's driving a lot of hype. For BOTH teams. And a win on Saturday would be a very big deal for EITHER team. JMO of course.
Anyway, Saturday should be a very evenly matched contest. I won't be surprised with a win by either team. Like CD, I would be surprised at a blowout in either direction.
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yep it will only be 95 at kickoff
Advantage LSU. It's hotter in Louisiana than Texas, you know, humidity and all...
I say 38-24 LSU. If Texas gets a fast start, then we have a chance. We need to get Coach O on his heels. If we go down early, at least the beer will be cold.
We just don't have the horses. We have a better chance next year, when LSU thins out.
I just think it's funny how Aggy now claims LSU as their real "rival", when all Aggy will be cheering for LSU Saturday.
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The fans on both sides obviously will be desirous of a win. LSU's path to the playoff goes through Alabama, and probably Georgia, win or lose.
I think Texas "perceived pedigree" gets fuzzier with a loss even if they go 12-1 if other teams are 12-1 out there. Just my notion, I could be wrong of course, won't matter if I am. LSU is at $6 and Texas at #9. If we presume a say 24-17 loss for either, I'd expect LSU to drop to about 13 and Texas to about 18. If Texas lost again fairly soon, folks might conclude they are not back, that was my point. If LSU lost, well, they lost to a tough SEC opponent, like say Arkansas.
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Advantage LSU. It's hotter in Louisiana than Texas, you know, humidity and all...
I say 38-24 LSU. If Texas gets a fast start, then we have a chance. We need to get Coach O on his heels. If we go down early, at least the beer will be cold.
We just don't have the horses. We have a better chance next year, when LSU thins out.
I just think it's funny how Aggy now claims LSU as their real "rival", when all Aggy will be cheering for LSU Saturday.
Yeah, I just don't see LSU's brand new "we finally discovered the forward pass" offense scoring 38 points. That would imply that their new offense is going to be roughly equal in production to OU's offense which has consistently been one of the best in the country for years running. In 3 games against Orlando's defense, the Sooners have scored 29, 45, and 39. OU has flat-out better and more talented offensive personnel than LSU, they're running a system they were explicitly recruited for and are better suited to, and with better offensive coaching than LSU has. I don't see LSU being able to really come close to their production.
Unless maybe you're assuming they get 2 pick-6s off Sam or something? Seems far-fetched.
This looks a lot more like a 24-20 type of game. Could go either way. I like Sam to be the difference maker and put the W on Texas' side of the ledger. Time will tell, of course.
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This looks a lot more like a 24-20 type of game. Could go either way. I like Sam to be the difference maker and put the W on Texas' side of the ledger. Time will tell, of course.
that's what I said
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that's what I said
I know-- I always said you were the smartest Husker!
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for some reason you and I seem to agree more often than we did years ago
interesting
all those trips to visit my brother must be helping my intelligence
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You're inheriting some Austin Malaise. It's making you more agreeable. :)
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IN such games, turnovers are usually pivotal, and unpredictable.
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I'll be interested to see what Orgeron does if the first two drives are stuffed. He may chuck it all and implement the wishbone for the 2nd quarter. After that, we could see four corners and the neutral zone trap.
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Yeah, I just don't see LSU's brand new "we finally discovered the forward pass" offense scoring 38 points.
This is a strong point. But I'm fearing they run all over us (big gainers) and maybe a couple by air.
You have to understand that my projections are geared to mitigate my impending disappointment level.
Plus I am self-loathing.
And all.
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Part of the game will be seeing just how much moxy the Texas OL has. Against all tendency, LaTech brought blitz after blitz. The Longhorn group picked them up time and again, showing they're at least heady about the concepts and techniques.
One sight I recall was a swing pass to Ingram. I had to double-take as two Texas OL (Cosmi and Braun) were right out in front of him. I was very confused when I saw them actually engage a defender and plant them.
All this time, as a Texas fan, I thought that the OL's job on a swing pass was to arrive after the tackle for a close look, or to simply run in a straight line until you crashed into the opposing team's bench!
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Orgeron doesn't eat grass, does he? I thought it might be in the water.
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This is a strong point. But I'm fearing they run all over us (big gainers) and maybe a couple by air.
You have to understand that my projections are geared to mitigate my impending disappointment level.
Plus I am self-loathing.
And all.
we understand
I mean after all the Horns are playing a sec sec sec team
and that means we are dooooooooomed
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we understand
I mean after all the Horns are playing a sec sec sec team
and that means we are dooooooooomed
I have been wrong about 3 things in life:
1) Submarine sandwiches will never work in the South
2) Cable TV will put movie theaters out of business
3) Coach Orgeron is a Cajun moron and will take LSU to the bottom of the swamp
I would say the jury is no longer out on #3, and so beating Georgia was nice, but....
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I have been wrong about 3 things in life:
1) Submarine sandwiches will never work in the South
2) Cable TV will put movie theaters out of business
3) Coach Orgeron is a Cajun moron and will take LSU to the bottom of the swamp
I would say the jury is no longer out on #3, and so beating Georgia was nice, but....
I agree
theres no way this Horns team should even be on the same field as LSU
I just hope they show mercy keep it under 100
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I just hope they show mercy keep it under 100
Or let us in the end zone a couple times.
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I agree
theres no way this Horns team should even be on the same field as LSU
I just hope they show mercy keep it under 100
nah, i hope not. sec don't need anymore losses to scrubs. tenn did enough of that last week (and likely this week, though byu is decent at least)
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vegas has Clemson favored by 19.5 over aggie
If I was a betting man Id take aggie and the points
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I have been wrong about 3 things in life:
1) Submarine sandwiches will never work in the South
2) Cable TV will put movie theaters out of business
3) Coach Orgeron is a Cajun moron and will take LSU to the bottom of the swamp
I would say the jury is no longer out on #3, and so beating Georgia was nice, but....
Dang BC I thought the same thing, especially after they got beat by Troy mid-way through the season a couple of years ago.
I'm not so sure it still won't happen, especially as the memory of Les Miles fades. Kinda like how Switzer took Dallas to the superbowl that one year with Jimmy's players and system.
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I don't know, that seems like a fairly SEC-centric view of the situation.
LSU hasn't played for the NC since 2007. Texas played for it in 2009.
LSU hasn't played for its conference championship since 2011. Texas played for its conference championship just last year in 2018.
This game is a border war between schools that compete frantically over recruits, as well as a game between top 10 teams. The stakes look pretty similar to me. *shrug*
Yeah, they played in that rematch in 2011, against Bama. It didn't go well.
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Oh yeah, that's right. A truly forgettable game.
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I picked Texas to win this game in the pool I play in. I think it won't be close, in fact.
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It really would be nice if @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) would roll in here. Same with 25, but he's never been here before. @UT-Erin03 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=62) has a cool LSU friend, but I'm not sure he's ever posted here or at the old joints.
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Oh yeah, that's right. A truly forgettable game.
i enjoyed it.
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Right, but the rest of the free world, outside of half of Alabama, would have enjoyed Okie State / LSU just a little more.
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Right, but the rest of the free world, outside of half of Alabama, would have enjoyed Okie State / LSU just a little more.
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Well, I certainly would have watched that game, and I certainly didn't watch the snoozefest rematch.
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It really would be nice if @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) would roll in here. Same with 25, but he's never been here before. @UT-Erin03 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=62) has a cool LSU friend, but I'm not sure he's ever posted here or at the old joints.
My LSU friend is still kickin' & we see him frequently, but he's in the midst of dealing with crazy-chick drama and in a bit of a stitch with that lately. He may have popped on back on the old boards after he came to that Arky-Auburn game with me, but he's not much of an internet-chatter like we are so I didn't think he would become a regular.
Sadly, I was not able to get tickets to this epic matchup for this season, but will hold out hopes that maybe I can make it work for a Baton Rouge trip next season. One reason was because our vacation is coming up this week so financially it wasn't going to be very feasible, but also because they didn't release ANY single tickets on the UT online box office like I hoped they would, so there was no chance at all for paying face-value. I guess all the alumni/donors, etc, scooped up all the extras before any public sales happened, but it's a GREAT thing to see the game sold out & everyone ready to watch!
As far as predictions, it's a crapshoot for me to even try to guess this early in the season but I'm going to assume it may be similar to the uGa score in the end - 28-21 with UT taking the win in a close one, mostly with homefield advantage in mind (little as that counts in games like these).
I find it interesting that my NFL team is also playing a LA team - Texans take on the Saints in the MNF feature. However I feel that one will end badly for my team, and Saints will be ready to pound as hard as they can out of anger for what happened in their last playoff game. But those Texans can take it, they get paid the goods to put up or shut up.
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Right, but the rest of the free world, outside of half of Alabama, would have enjoyed Okie State / LSU just a little more.
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sometimes people just don't know what they really want or need. it's good we have someone to look out for them.
Well, I certainly would have watched that game, and I certainly didn't watch the snoozefest rematch.
like this guy, needs a ton of help. not sure there's much we can do for him, but we try. probably still thinks colt would have made it more of a game in 09. :sign0151:
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My LSU friend is still kickin' & we see him frequently, but he's in the midst of dealing with crazy-chick drama and in a bit of a stitch with that lately. He may have popped on back on the old boards after he came to that Arky-Auburn game with me, but he's not much of an internet-chatter like we are so I didn't think he would become a regular.
I forgot his name but he was a good dude. Get his ass on here. Or, transcribe for him at least. Heh.
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rtf is just mean.
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just trying to get some good banter going. our lsu friends are slacking.
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Not much I can say any longer about a game from a decade ago that ended up breaking Texas for the next ten years. I'm hopeful Texas is no longer broken but the Maryland losses are recent enough to keep me very wary.
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I guess I'm also irked that these games don't happen all that often.
It's prizefighting! Quit lining up a bunch of tomato cans to protect your perfect record. If you're a heavyweight, schedule another heavyweight and test yourself. Ultimately, you're in the entertainment business. Nobody's entertained when you beat up Western Kentucky three straight weeks!
Like a heavyweight fight, both teams have the strength to land 1st round KOs - Texas with its offense and LSU with its defense. More likely that we go to the 4th quarter to find out who's got what left in the tank!
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I guess I'm also irked that these games don't happen all that often.
It's prizefighting! Quit lining up a bunch of tomato cans to protect your perfect record. If you're a heavyweight, schedule another heavyweight and test yourself. Ultimately, you're in the entertainment business. Nobody's entertained when you beat up Western Kentucky three straight weeks!
Like a heavyweight fight, both teams have the strength to land 1st round KOs - Texas with its offense and LSU with its defense. More likely that we go to the 4th quarter to find out who's got what left in the tank!
Well I mean, they don't happen that often for EVERYBODY, but:
2015: @Notre Dame
2016: Notre Dame
2017: @USC
2018: USC
2019: LSU
2020: @LSU
2022: Alabama
2023: @Alabama
2024: Michigan
2025: Ohio State
2026: @Ohio State
2027: @Michigan
2028: Georgia
2029: @Georgia
2030: @Florida
2031: Florida
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That's a great OOC lineup for the next 12 years!
I read that LSU fans have somehow gotten hold of Elinger's cellphone number and are flooding his phone with hundreds of text messages.
Classy.
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Yeah, I just don't see LSU's brand new "we finally discovered the forward pass" offense scoring 38 points.
Wait a minute, I retract. Didn’t they rack up 55 last week?
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I read that LSU fans have somehow gotten hold of Elinger's cellphone number and are flooding his phone with hundreds of text messages.
Fine by me. Advantage Texas on that one.
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That's a great OOC lineup for the next 12 years!
I read that LSU fans have somehow gotten hold of Elinger's cellphone number and are flooding his phone with hundreds of text messages.
Classy.
That sounds exactly like LSU fans.
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Wait a minute, I retract. Didn’t they rack up 55 last week?
Uhhh, yeah. Do you think Georgia Southern (whatever THAT is) has a defense that is comparable to Texas?
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That's a great OOC lineup for the next 12 years!
I read that LSU fans have somehow gotten hold of Elinger's cellphone number and are flooding his phone with hundreds of text messages.
Classy.
Yup, that's what's being reported.
And I agree with T95, poking the bear is about the worst thing they could do today. I'm just fine with their antics.
Also, it's going to be really funny when Sam publishes the names and phone numbers of every person that harassed him. Good luck with that, LSUfan.
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Uhhh, yeah. Do you think Georgia Southern (whatever THAT is) has a defense that is comparable to Texas?
neither one has Breklyn Hagar
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Well now you're just being surly
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Well now you're just being surly
It was my impression of 320
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It was my impression of 320
youre not pretty enough to do an impression of me BC
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youre not pretty enough to do an impression of me BC
wow you must have to fight ‘em off more than I do
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wow you must have to fight ‘em off more than I do
you have no idea
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Hook 'em Horns!
BTHOLSU!
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Been a gem of a game so far. Texas shoulda taken the 3 points on second gl stand.
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So far a good game.
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Been a gem of a game so far. Texas shoulda taken the 3 points on second gl stand.
Yep. Those two failed goal line attempts have been the difference.
Very impressed with that 3rd quarter drive. Ate some time off the clock and put points on the board.
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Wow! Great effort to almost get that onside kick at the end.
Those two 4th-and-goal non-conversions were killers.
Both QBs had great games.
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Im encouraged by what I saw tonight
There were some negatives but a lot of positives
congrats to LSU they are a very good team
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texas fans relax, we are 2 seasons removed from the absolute worst Texas team in history.
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See? I told you there was no way LSU would score 38 points, but that Horns would... :)
Anyway, it was certainly an entertaining game. The Texas defense needs a ton of work but LSU was much better on offense than I gave them credit for.
On offense, missing so many of our RBs definitely took its toll. Whittington is the running back that should be catching passes, Ingram's just not very strong at that and unfortunately it cost us big, early. Sam also had about the worst first quarter I've ever seen him play, missing wide open receivers on deep downfield passes. He hits 2 of those 4 in the first quarter and it could have been a very different game.
Anyway, LSU certainly outplayed the Horns at every position-- including coaching-- on Saturday night. Best of luck to them the rest of the season and hopefully MDT will stop by to take his shots. :)
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This was the most non-mad I've been about a loss in a long time. Not saying I was happy - just not as angry as I thought I'd be.
If LSU and Texas both play like that for the rest of the season (and Texas jells its defense just a wee bit more), then we're going to re-play this game in due course.
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Anyway, LSU certainly outplayed the Horns at every position
That's noble sportsmanship but way too kind.
LSU has an NFL caliber QB, and that was the difference. This is NOT a slight at Sam, I'm proud to have Sam. Sam is a fighter and a competitor. He also bleeds orange and is pretty damn good to boot.
But Burrow is the NFL thing. Burrow knocks the gnat off a needle, whereas Sam missed a few. Yet we still almost pulled it out with brute force.
No way were the Horns outplayed at every position. We just couldn't stop Burrow from answering.
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Well we certainly made Burrow look like an NFL starter, not sure that will bear out all season long but he was better than Sam on Saturday night.
One this is for sure, NEITHER of these schools should be referring to themselves as "DBU." Both defensive secondaries were absolutely de-pantsed.
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One this is for sure, NEITHER of these schools should be referring to themselves as "DBU." Both defensive secondaries were absolutely de-pantsed.
Well, I feel like Herman is trying to "speak something into truth" with this DBU thing. Plus he wants the jingle for recruiting.
But it is not a proven entity. Yes we have had some good DB's, but DBU? Meh, getting a little ahead of things.
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My concern was not the fact that they could move the ball in the air on us
It was how open the receivers were
Many times there wasnt a def back within 5 to 8 yards of the receiver
I hope we get better
as a side note Army almost beat Mich and only managed to beat Rice 14 to 7
The Horns might have themselves a trap game on their hands
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When a team is properly running the "spread" offense, it doesn't take much to make the defense look inept. One particular concept is "levels" wherein a group of receivers, maybe a boundary and a slot, are joined by a motion RB or TE. At the snap, they all race downfield and break in at different, you guessed it, levels!
This sounds straightforward, but keep in mind that, when breaking across a field horizontally, the QB can throw to either arm of the receiver (that is, hit him directly with the pass or lead him further upfield). In order to blanket 3 receivers, you'd need 6 DBs! Clearly, the defense can't commit those resources! Using rotations and check offs, a defense can put a lid on levels if it collectively recognizes it quickly enough, but it's not uncommon to have one guy be slow reacting (usually a guy who had other primary responsibilities like covering the QB option or inside give running play).
Texas has a lot of work to do on its defense. No doubt. However, LSU really knew their stuff going in to that game. I'm not overly concerned about the Longhorn defense, so long as they continue to improve with game experience.
Army is a different animal. They do one thing really, really well. If you can't handle that one thing, then they bleed clock, yards, and points out of you. When you're used to having 7 possessions to fix your mistake, you're probably only going to get 4. In that way, they really take advantage of an opponent's offensive miscues. Rice doesn't have the horses to play both run and pass, so they were grateful to Army for picking one.
Texas shouldn't have any problems with Rice. They lack the athletes to cope with a multiple attack. Just try to stay healthy.
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and yet Army almost ruined Mich's day
either Mich is way over rated or Rice is way under rated
I suspect its a little of both
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It was how open the receivers were
One thing is true - you never see how open certain receivers are unless the QB throws to them. My point? Burrow could find the open guy.
Let's just say a little bit of both. Burrow is a boss, I'm telling you...
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Ed Orgeron (CEO, as they say in SEC Country) says that the visitor's locker room at DKR has no A/C.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_4c7ccdf0-d32d-11e9-b2cc-e3343db78599.html/?43242&fbclid=IwAR259kGa_H9vYi07DGUHMu36L7TcVeaM6iDt_k4wQ9nHVIOtOaD57VLC09o
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Maybe we should stick some wall units in so SEC teams could feel at home.
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Maybe we should stick some wall units in so SEC teams could feel at home.
You stole my thunder BC
also need about 6 old dogs and a wrecked truck
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So it's a good thing that Texas provides the visiting team with an un-air-conditioned locker room?
I can imagine the jokes you'd be making if it were OU's locker room we were talking about. And so can you.
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So it's a good thing that Texas provides the visiting team with an un-air-conditioned locker room?
I can imagine the jokes you'd be making if it were OU's locker room we were talking about. And so can you.
You're falling for a red herring and believing an obvious lie, simply because you WANT to. Here's UT's athletic director completely refuting an obvious and stupid lie from Ed Orgeron, to cover for being called out on his bush-league tactic of faking injuries to slow down an uptempo offense that was dominating his defense in the second half.
On Monday, Texas athletics director Chris Del Conte responded to the accusations.
“The comment today about lack of air conditioning in our visiting locker room is the first we’ve heard of any issues in that area,” Del Conte said in a statement released by the school.
“We provide one of the best visitor setups available and are proud of the efforts we put forth in hosting our guests. Our facilities staff did not receive any complaints from either Louisiana Tech or LSU, and we’ve confirmed that our air conditioning in the visiting locker room is in good working order.”
13 "heat cramp" injuries, which mysteriously only affected LSU's defense, and mysteriously almost invariably when Texas had gained a first down, was running uptempo with no changes in personnel, so LSU could not substitute. There was even one hilarious point when TWO guys looked to the sideline and keeled over at the same time, then looked at each other, and were obviously confused about which one of them was supposed to fake the injury and take the dive on that particular play.
There's no rule to prevent it from happening, but it was obvious, and poor sportsmanship. Orgeron started getting questions asked about it, and made up some bullshit about no A/C.
Which has since been called out as an outright lie.
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Actually, Utee, I posted Orgeron's claim confident that a Texas poster would refute it, as I'm glad to see you have done.
But BC and 320 seemed to be celebrating it as a good thing. Hence my comment.
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OK.
Also, I played football in Texas in the months of August and September for multiple years with no A/C of any kind in our locker rooms, home or away.
Just as did... well... everyone that's ever played little league, junior high, or high school football in the state of Texas for the past 130 years.
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I would think that the new HS stadia going up across Texas, the ones larger than Division II colleges have, probably have A/C in their locker rooms.
We've got some of that football empire-building going on in Oklahoma as well.
Your comments about LSU are not surprising. Every Sooner fan who came back from the 2003 (season) Sugar Bowl vs. LSU can relate tales of malfeasance by the Bayou Bengals, their HFC (Saban) and their "fans."
We need Mike de Tigre (?) to offer insight into this.
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the only air conditioning our High School had was the cafeteria
we didnt have air conditioning at home until I was around 16
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I would think that the new HS stadia going up across Texas, the ones larger than Division II colleges have, probably have A/C in their locker rooms.
We've got some of that football empire-building going on in Oklahoma as well.
Your comments about LSU are not surprising. Every Sooner fan who came back from the 2003 (season) Sugar Bowl vs. LSU can relate tales of malfeasance by the Bayou Bengals, their HFC (Saban) and their "fans."
We need Mike de Tigre (?) to offer insight into this.
They probably do, but Austin Independent School District still uses the same three crappy stadiums they have since the 70s. And no major improvements to infrastructure in all that time, because no budget for it.
And yet I've never once seen, in all of my years of playing and watching little league, middle school, and high school football in Texas, 13 players go down with "heat cramps" in one game. Not once. Ever.
And so mysterious that it was solely the LSU defense. Never happened to the LSU offense. Never happened to the Texas defense. Never happened to the Texas offense. Just so... mysterious!
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But BC and 320 seemed to be celebrating it as a good thing. Hence my comment.
Or maybe we're just playing along.
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We've got to do something about defenses taking dives. It's getting out of hand.
I say - you're out for the remainder of the possession if you have to hit the field and stop the game.
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We've got to do something about defenses taking dives. It's getting out of hand.
I say - you're out for the remainder of the possession if you have to hit the field and stop the game.
I think that's an appropriate rule. If an injury is so severe that you have to roll around on the turf and stop the entire game for 3-5 minutes, then sitting out one play certainly isn't enough time for a medical staff to evaluate you properly and determine if you're ready to go back onto the field.
Opponents to that, however, will argue that such a harsh "penalty" will result in players who are legitimately hurt, toughing it out and playing through the pain, thus potentially causing even further damage. And I believe that's a legitimate argument. Which is largely why nothing has ever been done to address it.
I've seen it done occasionally, just never, EVER in such an obvious and egregious manner. It was really pretty shocking that someone would take advantage of a loophole in the rules is such an unsportsmanlike manner. As much as I like to call out OU for being willing to "bend" the rules over all these years, I've never once seen them attempt anything so bush league. It was really surprising to me.
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I'd worry about it, except it wasn't the play of the LSU defense in the 2nd half that made a difference in the game. Faking injury may be a thing, but it had no bearing on Saturday's outcome.
No one seriously believes the visitors locker room at DKR is un-air conditioned. Possibly the two games we've had so far have fallen on the hottest days in Austin all year, so maybe the A/C couldn't quite keep up to whatever standard a sports team is used to, but I'm positive it falls within acceptable standards.
LSU won a tough football game by being better at offense than Texas was at defense. This is galling. Don't muddy it up by carping nonsense.
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I'd worry about it, except it wasn't the play of the LSU defense in the 2nd half that made a difference in the game. Faking injury may be a thing, but it had no bearing on Saturday's outcome.
No one seriously believes the visitors locker room at DKR is un-air conditioned. Possibly the two games we've had so far have fallen on the hottest days in Austin all year, so maybe the A/C couldn't quite keep up to whatever standard a sports team is used to, but I'm positive it falls within acceptable standards.
LSU won a tough football game by being better at offense than Texas was at defense. This is galling. Don't muddy it up by carping nonsense.
I'm not sure I'm willing to say it had "no bearing." I think LSU likely would have won without it, but we're talking about a game that was decided by 1 TD, and in the second half where both teams scored TDs on most possessions, that means the game was decided by 1 possession.
And there was one drive where Texas was moving the ball, got a quick, long first down, ran up to the line in order to run uptempo and force the clearly-tired LSU defense to defend without substitutions, and SHOCKINGLY we see an LSU defender hit the turf rolling around with fake cramps. Game is stopped, LSU defenders are allowed to get water, LSU coaches are allowed to walk onto the field and are given time to coach up their defensive units while the medical staff renders aid to the "injured" player, LSU players are allowed substitution without having to take a timeout, then a TV time-out kicks in, and play is stopped for 3.5 minutes. After all of that, the Texas drive stalls, Horns attempt a field goal and miss it, and there you have it-- the one possession that could have made the difference.
And this happened 13 times.
So no, I'm not willing to say it had "no bearing." LSU was effectively granted 19 time-outs. When have you ever seen this happen in any game, ever?
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Frankly, I'm more upset about the 3rd and 17 play. Not because it was converted, but because the RB blatantly tackled our blitzing Safety by the legs in the hole. If he hits Burrow, we win.
But I can't manage a game that relies on a critical holding call. Those get missed all the time. Neither am I dismissing the fake cramps. LSU was taught by Alabama and the rest of the SEC how to deal with Ole Miss and TAMU's offense. It was a compromise to keep Nick Saban from unilaterally outlawing the HUNH completely. I very much agree we're going to have to set some standards.
I just want to control the things I can control. Texas should have scored during one of the 9 plays inside LSU's 5 yard line. They should have shut down a TD before the end of the 1st half.
Ed's a mental case, but his offense did the job this time.
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Frankly, I'm more upset about the 3rd and 17 play. Not because it was converted, but because the RB blatantly tackled our blitzing Safety by the legs in the hole. If he hits Burrow, we win.
But I can't manage a game that relies on a critical holding call. Those get missed all the time. Neither am I dismissing the fake cramps. LSU was taught by Alabama and the rest of the SEC how to deal with Ole Miss and TAMU's offense. It was a compromise to keep Nick Saban from unilaterally outlawing the HUNH completely. I very much agree we're going to have to set some standards.
I just want to control the things I can control. Texas should have scored during one of the 9 plays inside LSU's 5 yard line. They should have shut down a TD before the end of the 1st half.
Ed's a mental case, but his offense did the job this time.
I'm upset that we called a 6-man blitz on 3rd and 17 instead of keeping 8 back in coverage and keeping the play in front of us. That was incredibly stupid, and even without the holding non-call, could easily be what cost us the game.
I'm also upset with just about every Texas offensive playcall at the goalline during those 9 plays you mention.
Like I said initially, Texas got outcoached on both sides of the ball, and the Texas players were outplayed at every single position. Burrow played better than Sam, the LSU o-line kept Burrow cleaner than the Texas o-line kept Sam, they also run blocked slightly better, they clearly pass-blocked better, their WRs had a better day despite Duverney's beast game, and their defense played better. I don't think the gap is huge, but in every single phase, they were just a little better.
That's precisely why it's so comical to see them engaging in such bush league BS. I realize there aren't any rules against what they did, I've just never seen anything like it before. Truly mind-boggling. But, I expect we'll see more and more of it creeping throughout the various leagues since there's really no way to stop it.
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as was said earlier if a player is hurt enough to stop the game then he should have to sit out for some period of time
I like the idea of 10 minutes or the rest of the quarter which ever is longer
in addition once play is stopped 3 times by a def injury in the same quarter that team should be forced to use a timeout for any additional def injury in the quarter
if that team has no timeouts remaining then a 10 yard penalty will result
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as was said earlier if a player is hurt enough to stop the game then he should have to sit out for some period of time
I like the idea of 10 minutes or the rest of the quarter which ever is longer
in addition once play is stopped 3 times by a def injury in the same quarter that team should be forced to use a timeout for any additional def injury in the quarter
if that team has no timeouts remaining then a 10 yard penalty will result
I think these are all reasonable and sensible suggestions on how to combat it.
But the problem is, even if you couch these suggestions in the guise of "player safety" there's a counter-argument also involving player safety, that if players think they're going to be held out for a full drive or a quarter or the rest of the half or whatever, then even legitimately injured players are going to attempt to stay in the game and "tough it out" which could cause even more severe damage.
I don't think there's any realistic, manageable solution that won't be shot down under the cover of "player safety" and I don't necessarily disagree.
Before, the ideals of good sportsmanship prevented coaches from doing things like this. But now, apparently that is an archaic concept.
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Watch any SEC game where the opponent is likely to run more than 60 snaps per game. The defenders fall over faster than an Italian striker.
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I think these are all reasonable and sensible suggestions on how to combat it.
But the problem is, even if you couch these suggestions in the guise of "player safety" there's a counter-argument also involving player safety, that if players think they're going to be held out for a full drive or a quarter or the rest of the half or whatever, then even legitimately injured players are going to attempt to stay in the game and "tough it out" which could cause even more severe damage.
I don't think there's any realistic, manageable solution that won't be shot down under the cover of "player safety" and I don't necessarily disagree.
Before, the ideals of good sportsmanship prevented coaches from doing things like this. But now, apparently that is an archaic concept.
In my opinion players are already doing this for a real injury
I dont think this purposed new rule would encourage this more
anyway this discussion is mute cause if a sec sec sec team takes dives there will never be a rule against it
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Faking injury may be a thing, but it had no bearing on Saturday's outcome.
I beg your pardon. How do you know this? On multiple occasions, Texas was rolling and the LSU defense was gassed.
Texas did not score on every possession.
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Watch any SEC game where the opponent is likely to run more than 60 snaps per game. The defenders fall over faster than an Italian striker.
I don't really watch SEC games, other than an occasional Aggie game with my i s c & a aggie wife. I've never noticed them doing this.
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I beg your pardon. How do you know this? On multiple occasions, Texas was rolling and the LSU defense was gassed.
Texas did not score on every possession.
Indeed, on the possession I cited, the fake cramping almost certainly affected the outcome of the drive. Texas rolling, gets a first down, about to run another HUNH play, LSU defender fakes an injury, and not only does it prevent Texas from getting off the play within the perfectly legal rhythm and cadence of its offense, it ends up giving the LSU defense a free 3.5 minute timeout. They get to substitute, they get water, they get sideline and on-field coaching, they get 3.5 minutes of rest, and all without being charged a timout. The only downside is the player that faked the injury only sits out one play.
Result was a stalled drive for Texas, a missed field goal, and a turnover on downs.
This happened 13 times in the game, which resulted in LSU being granted 19 timeouts.
As I said before, I've never, ever seen a team get 19 timesouts-- all on defense, all when being abused by a powerful offense. I've just never seen that in my life. And I hope I never see it again, but I'm pretty sure I will because I'm pretty sure it's about to become the norm.
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The problem is, we culturally no longer have an "honor system".
Years ago, many things in sports, and in life, were non-issues due to the honor system. It comes down to the value of integrity - which has been a plummeting stock.
Not just a football thing.
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The problem is, we culturally no longer have an "honor system".
Years ago, many things in sports, and in life, were non-issues due to the honor system. It comes down to the value of integrity - which has been a plummeting stock.
Not just a football thing.
Totally agree with you there.
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An extension of that honor system would be spectators that applauded injured players - no matter which team.
But now look what faking injuries has caused. Jeering fans. And I don't want to hear a word about it from teams like LSU.
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An extension of that honor system would be spectators that applauded injured players - no matter which team.
But now look what faking injuries has caused. Jeering fans. And I don't want to hear a word about it from teams like LSU.
The first 3 or 4 times it happened, Texas fans were polite and were either quiet, or even applauded after the fake-injured player stood and went to the sideline.
After that, we finally figured out just how bush league they were being, and large percentage of the stadium began booing their fake injuries.
I think one of those might have actually been a legit injury, but there's a story about crying wolf, and at the end of that one, the entire flock of sheep ends up on the menu.
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Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich.
I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot.
Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years.
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Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich.
I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot.
Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years.
Ive seen no complaints about the refs on this thread
as far a an sec team taking dives to stop the momentum of a drive
its done a lot throughout the sec
put down your beer and pay attention next time
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Texas fans complaining about sportsmanship and the refs...how rich.
I watched the game as a partially impartial observer ( remember I had $20 riding on Texas winning). I didn’t really notice the LSU players going down anymore than any other typical game which these days seems to be a lot.
Remember, timeouts give both teams the chance to rest and hydrate but I’ll admit it gives the defense a slight edge because it gives them time to assess what happened and get set better. I’ve never been much of a fan of the up tempo stuff anyway, always seemed gimmicky to me and yes I’m certainly aware that A&M ran it for years.
Dude, you're projecting or something here. Nobody's talking about the refs. Well, other than one comment droog made about a missed holding call, but I saw a holding non-call for Texas' o-line as well. Nobody's complaining about the officiating so I'm not sure why you'd even bring it up, unless you're pushing an agenda.
But the South American soccer-style flopping and fake injuries? You better believe that's noteworthy. Maybe you're "accustomed" to it because SEC teams do it all the time? Not sure, I don't watch enough SEC football to know. But against Texas it was obvious, ubiquitous, and egregious.
And if you actually read the thread, you'll note that nobody even brought it up, until CWS mentioned Ed Orgeron's bullshit lie about not having A/C in the locker room, which he clearly did to provide a red herring regarding all the fake injuries his team wracked up because he was starting to take heat in the media about it.
:)
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this has been going on since the first no-huddle hurry up offense
it's deplorable, but not illegal
I don't care for fast paced offenses either.. Although Scott Frost seems to like it.
bottomline: if your offense can't beat the defense and score points w/o the uptempo advantage, you need a better offense
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Well that's certainly one way to look at it.
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I think that's an appropriate rule. If an injury is so severe that you have to roll around on the turf and stop the entire game for 3-5 minutes, then sitting out one play certainly isn't enough time for a medical staff to evaluate you properly and determine if you're ready to go back onto the field.
I'd like to see this, just to speed up play.
WAY too many times, I see a 300+ lb defensive lineman that likes to flex like a badarse after a tackle for loss, have an injury to his hand or forearm or shoulder take a few steps towards the sideline, then lay down on the field and wait for the trainer.
If the injury isn't life threatening or could possibly do more damage to your ankle or knee or broken leg, GET OFF the field!
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this has been going on since the first no-huddle hurry up offense
it's deplorable, but not illegal
I don't care for fast paced offenses either.. Although Scott Frost seems to like it.
bottomline: if your offense can't beat the defense and score points w/o the uptempo advantage, you need a better offense
In Play-Slow Utopia, is the offense allowed to work quickly when trying to come back late in the half or game?
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In reality, HUNH punishes bad match ups more than pace. The defense just gets the wrong group on the field. The offense has a mismatch that they can exploit, and starts dogging them for it. As long as the offense keeps going, the defense can't fix their mistake.
Except they can, by calling a time out. In hindsight, that's really what Texas should have done on the ill fated 3rd and 17. They had a good package on the field for a 10 yard game (obviously), and I guess hoped that LSU would play to increase punt range. Instead, LSU played to get the 1st down. With no time to diagnose the attack, the Texas defense went with the pressure package they had on the field.
As part of football strategy, teams may want to give more thought to tactical use of times out on defense.
Of course, a LB (certain to be replaced in the new package) could have simply gotten a "cramp" after 2nd down and effected the 8 DB substitution package anyway...
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In reality, HUNH punishes bad match ups more than pace. The defense just gets the wrong group on the field. The offense has a mismatch that they can exploit, and starts dogging them for it. As long as the offense keeps going, the defense can't fix their mistake.
Except they can, by calling a time out. In hindsight, that's really what Texas should have done on the ill fated 3rd and 17. They had a good package on the field for a 10 yard game (obviously), and I guess hoped that LSU would play to increase punt range. Instead, LSU played to get the 1st down. With no time to diagnose the attack, the Texas defense went with the pressure package they had on the field.
As part of football strategy, teams may want to give more thought to tactical use of times out on defense.
Of course, a LB (certain to be replaced in the new package) could have simply gotten a "cramp" after 2nd down and effected the 8 DB substitution package anyway...
I'd like to think we're above that. Clearly we were last Saturday.
But I won't be shocked if that changes in the near future.
Adapt, or die.
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In Play-Slow Utopia, is the offense allowed to work quickly when trying to come back late in the half or game?
heck no!
They shouldn't be behind in the first place
obviously their own fault
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heck no!
They shouldn't be behind in the first place
obviously their own fault
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So it seems that European football and American football are seeing a convergence after 150 years of drifting apart.
Faking injury has (for the one) and will (for the other) become an integral part of the game.
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Sad but true. Appears to be inevitable.
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Faking injury has (for the one) and will (for the other) become an integral part of the game.
American scruples are becoming more European. That's how I see it.
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American scruples are becoming more European. That's how I see it.
Well then, maybe it'll somehow improve our wine and cheese.
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Well then, maybe it'll somehow improve our wine and cheese.
I find Boone's farm and a hunk of red rind longhorn cheddar to be quite adequate.
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I'm good with the Longhorn. But the Boone's Farm... yeah... nope.
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Um...I just stopped by to say what a great game, instant classic it was, and to say enjoy your win in Tiger Stadium next year, as I picked the visitors to win both games, and I'm not often wrong about LSU. Except last year. Ignore last year. I picked wrong in several big games last year. But for the same reasons I took LSU in this one, I'm taking Texas in the next one.
I see you have the same skepticism as the Horns who have since flooded our boards. I'm hesitant to even put in the effort here because I imagine it will have about the same effect here as it's had with the rest of the Horns. Most fans just want to believe what they want to believe and don't care to consider anything they don't already think. Still, I'm a stickler for sticking up for my team ;) Keep in mind none of you know what happened in each incident, and I don't either. But here's what I can tell you.
1) LSU is not used to this type of game. They had 85 plays ran against them and I can't tell you the last time that happened. LSU is used to winning TOP handily and the defense is not used to being on the field that much. Even against the aggressive and creative offenses that we do routinely see, teams can't usually stay on the field THAT much against us. They clearly weren't ready for it, one way or the other.
2) Austin is not dry compared to, say, San Diego, but it's a lot dryer heat than what these guys are used to, and it's easier to dehydrate in that climate than anywhere else they usually play. This is just sports medicine 101, not my opinion about Austin. Plus, I've done plenty of physical labor in both places, and I'm personally familiar with how much more water I have to drink around Austin than back home. I did the same dumb thing myself last weekend at DKR at the La. Tech game. Drank my "usual" amount of water for being outside and wound up in the shaded deck suffering from heat exhaustion, because I forgot just how much water I needed there. O took some heat for our guys not hydrating better at the half, and if he's lying about the AC, maybe that's his deflection.
3) Faking injuries is not a new thing, this has been going on for over 12 years, so stop acting like "this is where we're headed." The teams who do it already are doing it, and have been doing it. I've never known LSU to do it. I HAVE seen LSU defenders drop like flies during games they get exhausted, especially ones that are physical. By your own admissions, you don't watch a lot of LSU football, so hey, maybe in all that football you don't watch, you missed how non-mysterious it really all is. Also, you can usually tell when a guy is faking it, there's pretty obvious signs when you see it, but I won't discount that we're just great actors.
4) If you fake injuries, you do it with players you think you can afford to lose. You don't do it with the players we had going down. You guys seem happy to admit you don't know much about LSU stuff, so that said, here's the players who went down and their current status.
Lawrence--our best DL, did not return to the game, thanks for booing him you classless jerks. Has fought through a nagging leg injury his entire career with us and missed almost all of 2017 because of it, re-aggravated it on a play and--and I can't stress this enough--did not return to the game and will miss at least this coming week. Did I mention he's our best defensive lineman and that as bad as things were when he was in, they got worse when he left?
Logan--a very good DL, also will not play this coming week, per said injury. I'm pretty sure he did not return to the game, but I'm not positive. I do know he's not cleared to play this week and will be evaluated thereafter. Thanks for booing.
Shelvin--claimed to cramp. Not novel news. 370 lb boy who has battled his weight (he came to us a 400+ pounder), you bet your ass he was tired in a game like this. He's cramped up in games of lesser pace than this one. Wasn't his first time, won't be his last. Clearly weren't comfortable with his backup in this game, he had to have seen a good 75 of those snaps. That's a TON for him. Thanks for booing.
Divinity--easily our best linebacker. Went down twice. Had off-season shoulder surgery, claimed to get a stinger in that shoulder and aggravate the area, although replay looks like a hyper-extended elbow, I thought he was lucky not to break his arm on the play, but whatever. The other time he claimed to cramp. Hey, you know what? If you fake stuff, then we'd send a guy like Damone Clark or Jacob Phillips out of the game because screw those guys, they're okay but they're not Divinity or Queen. You don't let your best LB off the field when your defense needs you. A serious competitor who I highly doubt would let himself be used that way. Current status unclear....he says he'll play this weekend but medical staff have not cleared him. We'll see, and thanks for booing.
Chaisson--our best pass rusher, apparently winked at UT staff, which is damning proof in all courts of law. He's in a boot this week, thanks for asking, and may or may not be cleared to play this weekend. Thanks for your boos, he appreciated it.
Fulton--one of two corners we were comfortable with, we have more, but even though UT got licks in against him, it was worse when he was out of the game....as well any LSU fan or staff could've told you before-hand. Like Divinity, he also had surgery on his foot this off-season, missed the A&M game and bowl game last year because of it. Replay shows the awkward fall that aggravated that foot injury. He did return hopefully no worse for wear in the long run...docs said he would only be 90% this season anyway. As far as I know he will play this weekend, but thanks for booing just the same.
Delpit--the best defensive player in the nation. Yeah, that's who we want off the field. Claimed to cramp and not feel well, left the field to go get an IV in the locker room. Did return to the game. After an IV. In the locker room. He probably feels cheated because the boos actually turned to applause when they saw him head for the locker room. But he does appreciate those initial boos, so keep 'em coming.
Yes, IT'S ALL SO MYSTERIOUS!!!
Miss me with all that bullshit, it doens't add up, and it's not LSU. If you were clueless about LSU, then sure, on the surface, blame a bunch of SCORING DRIVES on LSU players faking injuries, for whatever sense that makes. It's like Texas trying the same thing and telling Caden Sterns to take a dive instead of Kobe Boyce. Is Sterns who you want off the field? It's a bunch of Longhorns who appear very ignorant about LSU and our personnel and want to gripe about something. People who think O is some sneaky d-bag telling low character players to be pricks in order to.....in order to what, exactly? Let Texas score more slowly and keep us out there longer and let our offense get cold on the bench? Sure. It sounds JUST LIKE lsu if you watch their games and it all makes SO MUCH SENSE. Hard to believe I couldn't see it at the time. If only we'd thought of getting rid of our best defensive players in a tough game years ago, I wonder how many NCs we could have by now.
I hope any Longhorn players visiting us next year (in their win) who happen to get hurt are treated better by the crowd and message board know-it-alls who assume they know all the pertinent information. I'd rather err on the side of caution, and while I don't like booing anything, I sure don't want to boo people who could be hurt. I'd rather have talked about the game and how I think the secondaries played better than they're getting credit for, and how the QBs just dimed their opponents all night, and how sometimes guys catch fire and you can't do anything about it...how the perfect pass will beat perfect defense and sometimes you just have to live with that. But instead it's turned into this big burnt orange injury conspiracy, and it's just stupid.
You guys think what you want. It's a ridiculous conversation that has no evidence other than what Longhorn fans want to be true.
Enjoy your win next year. When you beat us, it won't be because UT players pulled some bush league bullshit on us, it will be because they're the better team.
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Mike you had such a long post my mind wondered to John Lovitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucJN8cRDqM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucJN8cRDqM)
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I love you MDT, you know I do.
BULLSHIT
That's all I can say.
LSU was better than Texas this game. At every position. Very slightly better. And that should have been enough for your team, your coach, and your fans.
But I guess it wasn't.
Your players flopped, your coach lied about A/C that was by EVERY account working properly to cover for it for whatever reason, and a win that could have been, "Congrats and we'll see you next year" has instead turned into a bullshit crapfest.
Anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season.
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2) Plus, I've done plenty of physical labor in both places,
what's your definition of plenty and/or your definition of physical labor?
;)
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And you can believe me when I say, I have no idea what Longhorn fans are saying on LSU message boards, nor do I care. The next time I go to an opponent's message board will be the first.
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Doods,
I went off the rails yesterday, and I apologize. I haven't read ensuing responses, and if y'all ripped me a new one, I deserved it. While I meant the content of what I said, the presentation was ill-tempered, and y'all deserve better*. What I should have said was something like "I can understand from a Texas fan's perspective why it would seem that way, but I'm confident that the players were not faking injury in the process of getting their butts handed to them, and here's why...**" I wish that's what I had said, and I'm not sure why message board chatter gets to me sometimes. It wasn't even mostly here....one of our boards got flooded with Longhorns about the same stuff, and I wound up taking it out here.
Don't know what else to say other than my bad. I got bent out of shape over something stupid. Wish I could say it was the first time.
So yeah....some of those plays happening after negative plays (not when you fake that, if you're faking), the team having no history of doing such a thing (sadly, Texas is not the only team to whip our defense uncharacteristically silly, even in O's short tenure), but mostly the injury report....that several of those guys actually left the field and will now miss games awaiting medical clearance...all is enough to make me stick to my opinion. If someone else sees it differently, I am happy to agree to disagree and I have no conclusive proof my team wasn't pulling something shady. That's how I should have put it and where I should have left it.
*the ones of you I know, anyway. The rest of you might suck.
**Well, most of the incidents. I kinda wondered about one of those instances myself. Guy got beat on a 3rd and long for a first down, was clearly gassed, and had the look of one thinking "I suck and I'm done. I think I'll just lay here." Then came back in the game a play or two later.
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It's all good, MDT.
I said "bullshit" in my response to you, and I later wished I'd said "bulljive" because while it conveys the same amount of disbelief and disagreement with the stance you're taking, it's also less intense and angry sounding. Like I said from the beginning, in my opinion LSU played better than Texas at every single position-- sometimes only very slightly better at every position-- and earned the win. Sam's abysmal first quarter was the difference in the game in my opinion. Burrow didn't have an abysmal quarter or even an abysmal series that I can recall. Ultimately in a 1 TD/1 possession game, that's what it came down to.
Best of luck to your team for the rest of the season. We've got a ton of work to do on defense so I don't think we're going to face you again this year, but maybe we'll have better luck next year.
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Wow. The kitties take more dives than Greg Louganis, and MDT wants to chide us for not clapping.
SEC gonna SEC.
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*the ones of you I know, anyway. The rest of you might suck.
glad you fellers kissed and made up
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Well, Texas took the step of releasing the Excel plots of both setting and actual monitored performance of the visiting locker room AC system during the time period in question. It showed a continuous setting of 68degF and an actual temperature variance of 71-75degF - the highest coming right as the LSU team was re-entering the locker room after the game.
This should shovel dirt on that silly debate. Ed Orgeron is one coach that we can't even hold this against. He says weird things. Bless him for that. I don't even think he meant to be insulting.
LSU suffered some real player injury and no doubt. No one sends Grant Delpit to the locker room just to stall a game. I won't look up the starting DE or DT's name, but they were obviously genuinely hurt as well.
I can't say it was a coached thing. Players aren't stupid. The LSU Tigers don't see a lot of the tempo that Texas brought, but they have heard that you can counter it through injury delay. Alabama (and others) have done this against Ole Miss and TAMU when they brought the uptempo game to a Fatball league. I'm predicting LSU will see, and complain about, a LOT of suspicious "injury times out" during their conference schedule.
In the end, Texas could have scored during 9 plays inside the LSU 5. Keontay Ingram could have caught a 4th down TD pass. Caden Sterns could have right shouldered his man on 3rd and 17. Texas asked Joe Burrow to win a football game by placing passes in NFL style windows, so he did exactly that. LSU was one TD better than Texas last Saturday.
If we win some games, I'm predicting we'll do this again at the end of the year for real hardware.
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I like your optimism droog. Unfortunately LSU isn't going to be in the top 2 or 3 offenses we face this season. I am terrified of what OU can do to this defense, and I can only imagine Lincoln Riley licking his chops right now.
I'm not convinced we have the proper solutions in the defensive coaching staff, at least not for a high scoring spread offense league like the B12.
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Lincoln Riley currently has no idea what his team is. He replaced 4 out of 5 OL and his DC. He might see something when OU plays UCLA, but there's a really good chance he won't know of his team's deficiencies until October begins.
I was hoping the young Texas DBs would be further along, but I guess there really is no school like experience. The coaches have two games' worth of film (Rice won't show us anything useful) to work with. Todd Orlando is too good of a detail man not to improve this already way above average backline.
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Hope you're right. Looking at Texas' defensive performance against spread teams even going back to last year is... sobering.
In unrelated news, Texas' Visitor Locker Room now has its own twitter account. What a world we live in. :)
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In the end, Texas could have scored during 9 plays inside the LSU 5. Keontay Ingram could have caught a 4th down TD pass. Caden Sterns could have right shouldered his man on 3rd and 17.
In the end, Texas could have taken some dives when Burrow got rolling. Catch their breath and deflate the momentum. But no, too classy.
And I'm good with that.
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Unfortunately LSU isn't going to be in the top 2 or 3 offenses we face this season. I am terrified of what OU can do to this defense, and I can only imagine Lincoln Riley licking his chops right now.
We pummel OU this year. Remember, I called it last time it happened.
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We pummel OU this year. Remember, I called it last time it happened.
When was the "pummeling" that you called?
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When was the "pummeling" that you called?
The last time it happened.
Have you guys even played anybody yet?
Combined record of all OU opponents thus far: 1-8
And next 2 weeks you get Texas Tech and Kansas. Yea, you guys oughta be world beaters.
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So you don't know the last time it happened. The time you "called it."
All that other stuff you threw in there just adds up to "red herring."
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So you don't know the last time it happened. The time you "called it."
All that other stuff you threw in there just adds up to "red herring."
So maybe it wasn't a "pummeling".
All that other stuff I threw in there were facts.
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Sure, they were facts.
But they were not relevant to your claim that you had "called" the last pummeling.
They were just stuff you threw out hoping I'd be distracted into puffing up OU's OOC schedule this year.
But there's no puffing it up. It's crap. It could have turned out better, had Houston and UCLA been better, which they usually are. But anytime you schedule Houston and an FCS team, and then have UCLA as your marquee game, you risk having a crap OOC schedule. OU usually does better than that, or gets luckier than that, but not this year.
Rather than UCLA, we ought to be trying to schedule USC.
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OU's OOC is perfectly respectable. A P5 game vs UCLA, and a matchup with Houston is normally decent early season material.
I am not dogging on the schedule, I am simply musing that all the way up to the Texas game, OU will have played no one. Meanwhile, Texas will have endured at least 2 fist fights. That's just the way it turned out this year.
I like Texas' chances given the LSU juggernaut, and the coming Ok State matchup. Our DB's will certainly have been given the workout prior to OU. Jalen - not so much.
A lot of football is relative - and Jalen probably thinks playing at OU is easy as cool whip. He'll have another thing coming.
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Agree with T95, I don't see any problem with OU's schedule. UCLA and Houston should have been a good OOC slate, but there's no way to know for sure 6-12 years out when these things are scheduled. It's not like USC is all that great this year, either. And heck, Maryland probably thought they were scheduling a Top 10 type team when they signed the home-and-home with Texas, instead they got an easy creampuff season opener.
But I do think that, the way it's turned out, Texas will be the more battle-tested team by a healthy margin when the State Fair rolls around. Doesn't mean the Horns will win, but I always like having some tough tests behind us before that game.
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Yes, an early-season test prepares you for tests down the road.
I wish that UCLA had been a lot better. A reasonably tough road test would have been a good thing.
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Tough opponents or not I think that OU has played enough tough games in the past 2-3 years that the upperclassmen shouldn't be in autopilot mode. I don't know the composition of OU's roster but I assume there are not too many sophomore's and fish starting.
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Actually, Gigem, there are several underclassmen starting for OU, especially on defense.
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Granted with a 4 year window you will always have a few youngsters playing and starting (unless you're Clemson or Bama currently) but the bulk of a great team, IMO, should be made up of Juniors and Seniors with a few experienced sophomores and very few true unproven freshmen.
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Fake injury update:
4 of our front 7 were out the week after Texas due to injuries in the game, and one cornerback played gimpy, though medically cleared. The other two guys who went down in the game recovered almost like magic after hydrating and missed no further time after leaving the field and missing a couple possessions to go get IVs.
Two weeks after Texas, 3 of the front 7 remained out injured, the 4th guy unfortunately reinjured himself and is lost for another few weeks. Chatter is that we're optimistic that all but 2 of these guys could be back by the Florida game in 3 weeks.
The bottom line is we're AWESOME at faking injuries. Do not score on us. We will hold our best players out for WEEKS in retaliation.
Not that they can tackle anyway, so all things considered, it's a pretty good strategy.
I boo'd all the UT players who got hurt in the Oklahoma State game. My wife didn't appreciate it and now I'm sleeping on the couch.
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Now, if you want to talk about actual shady things in that game, it's probably worth mentioning that LSU totally got one over on the refs at least once with substitutions. I noticed rb Edwards-Helaire go down out of bounds on LSU's sideline and Fournette (not that one) standing right there and seamlessly come back in his place. The zebras didn't catch it. Texas should've been allowed to substitute and the refs should have stood over the ball to stop LSU from snapping it, but they didn't. If I caught it on TV, it makes me wonder how many more times they've gotten away with it. There is no way LSU doesn't practice something like that. If you do it any other way other than coordinated and on purpose, the best you're going to wind up with is too many or too few men on the field. I can't figure out whether to shake my head at the shadiness of it or applaud them for being sneaky bastards.
Then there's how Orgeron channeled his inner Urban Meyer and selectively suspended the left tackle. Whatever the guy did (the nebulous "violation of team rules," I believe) he had a two game suspension to serve. As far back as I can remember, definitely in the Saban/Miles days, if this happens then a player just sits the next however many games he's suspended. Seems fair to me. This LT was conveniently suspended for week 1 and week 3 against cupcakes, but not for Texas in week 2. I thought it was crappy when Meyer did this stuff at Florida and I still don't like it.
I hope anybody who coaches us does well, but it's not like admin didn't see this kind of thing coming, and they've evidently decided they're okay with it. I think our days of a good coach who still got things done in a way I admired are over. Winning is the only imperative now, and I expect we'll see more of this kind of stuff in the program.
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MDT:
Dood, you won the game. It's been like 2 weeks ago. Let it go.
P.S. And thanks to LSU for the crash course, we still need a few pointers, but we had no choice but to dive on oSu a couple times.
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the substitution thing is real, I hope that the refs are just busy with other things and don't notice the offensive player coming off his own bench when the play finishes close to that sideline. I hope.
Seems odd because the D-coordinator can easily spot it from across the field.
The Huskers were jobbed by that issue on Colorado's last drive with the clock running down. Not only was the Husker defense NOT allowed to sub, they were not lined up and the play went for a large gain. To make it worse, the defense was called for too many men on the field which was declined, but stopped the clock until the next snap.
I hope it was an honest mistake by the ref, but the Husker D-coordinator argued until Frost had to pull him off the field. Seems like THAT could have been reviewed.
As far as a multiple game suspension being split between cupcakes and around an important game..... I'm ok with that. That's between the coach and the young man that made the mistake. Number of games and what particular games. If the punishment doesn't fit the crime, that's on the coach.
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Fake injury update:
I boo'd all the UT players who got hurt in the Oklahoma State game. My wife didn't appreciate it and now I'm sleeping on the couch.
seems like a disciplinarian
punishment is fitting!
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Fake injury update:
4 of our front 7 were out the week after Texas due to injuries in the game, and one cornerback played gimpy, though medically cleared. The other two guys who went down in the game recovered almost like magic after hydrating and missed no further time after leaving the field and missing a couple possessions to go get IVs.
Two weeks after Texas, 3 of the front 7 remained out injured, the 4th guy unfortunately reinjured himself and is lost for another few weeks. Chatter is that we're optimistic that all but 2 of these guys could be back by the Florida game in 3 weeks.
The bottom line is we're AWESOME at faking injuries. Do not score on us. We will hold our best players out for WEEKS in retaliation.
Not that they can tackle anyway, so all things considered, it's a pretty good strategy.
I boo'd all the UT players who got hurt in the Oklahoma State game. My wife didn't appreciate it and now I'm sleeping on the couch.
How's the one that flopped at the same time as his buddy, then when they looked at each other and realized they didn't both need to take a dive, looked over to the sideline where his coach was telling him to get back up, and so he popped right up? Did he sit out 1 or 2 weeks from that fake dive?
It's really crazy that so many of them seemed to still be out for heat cramps several weeks later, when so many of them came back in on the next play after taking a dive. If they were really injured, why did your coaching staff let them come back in? If you want to bring up REALLY shady behavior, that one's entirely on your coaching staff.
In other news, 2 of our players that went down with real injuries against Oklahoma State and didn't return for the rest of the game, will be out 4 weeks and likely miss the OU game. A third one that went down with real injuries against Oklahoma State and didn't return for the rest of the game, will be out for the entire season. All three are DBs so that's going to cost us pretty badly this season.
Now back to your regularly scheduled worship of the SECSECSEC or whatever.
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MDT:
Dood, you won the game. It's been like 2 weeks ago. Let it go.
P.S. And thanks to LSU for the crash course, we still need a few pointers, but we had no choice but to dive on oSu a couple times.
No shit, I've never seen a fan base whine so much a about a GD win. I certainly never expected it from MDT.
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I gotta admit MDT, you know how to pull utee's trigger.
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I gotta admit MDT, you know how to pull utee's trigger.
Well I'd certainly hope that simple internet trolling isn't his intent, since we've been friends both online and in real life for a long time.
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As far as a multiple game suspension being split between cupcakes and around an important game..... I'm ok with that. That's between the coach and the young man that made the mistake. Number of games and what particular games. If the punishment doesn't fit the crime, that's on the coach.
Eh, if the intent is punishment and deterrence, then this type of behavior actually sends the opposite message. It's a good 'ol boy pat on the back with a wink that demonstrates players are free to act as they please with zero real consequences.
But I do agree that's an internal thing, and if a program wants to operate that way, well, you're going to reap what you sow. I'd definitely hate to see my own coaching staff do something like that.
But as far as its impact on this PARTICULAR game, it doesn't really bother me. I'd much rather see my team test itself against LSU at full strength, rather than an opponent that is somewhat diminished due to disciplinary suspensions.
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I gotta admit MDT, you know how to pull utee's trigger.
utee has a hair trigger
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utee has a hair trigger
Why don't you go sit on a rusty nail, sir.
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and its getting hairier as he gets older
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I'm the GD cnnsi.com message board 1999 Internet Nice Guy. Who the efff are YOU???
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I'm the guy that was older in 1999 than you are now!
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Oh come on, you are indeed an ancient geezer, but I don't think THAT'S true...
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cranky up in here. old bastages.
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Oh come on, you are indeed an ancient geezer, but I don't think THAT'S true...
probably not quite that old, that was over 20 years ago
heck, that was so long ago, the Huskers were still good at football
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heck, that was so long ago, the Huskers were still good at football
leaving the Big XII was your death knell.
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Riley put us on life support, but Doc Tom came thru with some healing Frost!
We'll be back
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We'll be back
To me it's a matter of recruiting geography. Nebbie used to have a greater pull from the South. I don't see you guys rivaling the traditional Big Ten powers for the corn-fed hosses of the Midwest.
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UNL's recruiting classes have been ranked higher than everyone in the B1G except tOSU, Michigan, & Penn St.
We will be back
Big Recruiting weekend in Lincoln with Game Day and the Buckeyes in town
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I love how this thread is now about Husker recruiting. Sweet. :)
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I didn't bring it up
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I wasn't accusing you of anything. Don't be so sensative.
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just for clarity
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The Cleveland paper says Nebraska has shown it might be able to chisel away at Ohio State’s advantage in [/color]recruiting (https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2019/09/while-ohio-state-football-still-dominates-nebraska-has-started-to-win-small-recruiting-battles-under-scott-frost.html)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)].[/color]
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I love how this thread is now about Husker recruiting.
Yeah, we don't move as fast as we used to. Normally by now we would already be reminiscing about a luscious teenage babysitter or perhaps complaining about the butt funk escaping the overalls of a technically challenged handyman at the Home Depot self-checkout.
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Yeah, we don't move as fast as we used to. Normally by now we would already be reminiscing about a luscious teenage babysitter or perhaps complaining about the butt funk escaping the overalls of a technically challenged handyman at the Home Depot self-checkout.
Somewhere, JCG/HH/CH is laughing his ass off at that!
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I love how this thread is now about Husker recruiting. Sweet. :)
why would anyone be shocked for a bigxii thread to get off track. i'm more surprised y'all got 10+ pages before it happened.
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why would anyone be shocked for a bigxii thread to get off track. i'm more surprised y'all got 10+ pages before it happened.
Well, like T95 said above, we don't move as fast as we used to...
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Is there a return game next season?
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Yes.
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Looking forward to it. I predict the Ogre shuts down A/C in the visitors' locker room, and Texas players soccer-flop a grand total of 27 times. This game might last 5 hours so be sure to set your DVRs accordingly.
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I wonder how many of these series* end up with the visiting team winning both times.
We need The Bobs.
*Series between higher level programs about equally matched.
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I wonder how many of these series* end up with the visiting team winning both times.
We need The Bobs.
*Series between higher level programs about equally matched.
OU and tOSU have played two home-and-home series and the visitor has won all four games.
OU and Notre Dame played a series in 2012-13 and the visiting team won each game.
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There ya go, history is on our side! :)
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I remember this happening with Texas and Ohio St back in 2005 and 2006
texas winning in Ohio and tOSU winning in Texas
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Yup.
Although if Vince Young hadn't gone pro early... *sigh*
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Vince could have used another year to mature
or not