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Topic: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition

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TexasFan

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 10:43:38 AM »
Texas most likely will not beat UGA. 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2018, 11:43:35 AM »
UGA is probably more talented than Texas at this point

Serious statement?

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2018, 11:48:34 AM »
The Big12 is expected to go 0-3 vs the SEC.

Of course it is.  That's a calculated expectation performed at SEC headquarters.

#2 team from a 14-team conference (with only 8 conference games)
VS.
#2 team from a 10-team conference where everybody plays each other

Seem about right?

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2018, 12:16:52 PM »
i kinda like texas against the dawgs... i wouldn't be surprised if that game is decided by one possession in heroic fashion.  UGA is more talented i've little doubt, but it's not like texas are a bunch of scrubs- and a month of prep is a long time.  UGA and Bama win by attrition- they lean on people an entire game and burst when they can- and then they 'go to work' the next week, no matter who the opponent with the same game plan week in and week out.  it works for them as they rely on depth to keep the game fresh- it's why they're harder to beat as the season progresses when just about all teams have been depleted to a degree... teams like bama and uga have bench almost as good as starters... it's a formula that works as there really isn't anything fancy about their sets, schemes, or plays.  

it isn't a formula for tearing up a well rested and prepared team.  

Clemson can absolutely beat Bama in a one off... OU can't.  without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  

Texas can come out and play a totally different and very well rehearsed game- and that is where i think the difference is in a bowl vs. a regular season game- Herman's a tactician.... it's his style.  Smart is a 'go to work' guy, selling out for perfected execution and rolling out a well documented game plan.  this actually favors Texas, and the reason I think it'll be close.    

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2018, 12:19:13 PM »

Hilarious that OU lept over Georgia.  Although it seemed scripted.

The Big 12 must be respected after all.  Or else the B1G is not respected.  And does the PAC still play football?

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2018, 12:22:50 PM »
it's reasonable UGA fell below both the BigVII and B1G champions... and- they had their shot and missed.  they may be one of the best three teams in the nation by my reckoning, and along with Clemson just a few drops pale of Bama.  But they lost when it mattered, both against LSU and Bama- and that offers fair opportunity for the other conference champs in my opinion to have their own shot.  

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2018, 01:21:16 PM »
Two things:

1.  Georgia is definitely more talented than the horns.  UGA gets ridiculous recruiting classes.  

2.  OU in the CFP further spotlights the conundrum with how teams are selected.  There are two general camps.... Camp 1 wants to see the 4 "most deserving" teams get in.  And with that there are various factors to consider to like conference titles... have you just recently played a top 4 team... etc.  Camp 2 just wants to see the best 4 teams in it, regardless of all other factors.


I personally fall into camp 2... in which case I would've voted for UGA to get in over OU.  Did UGA just lose to Bama?  Sure.  But that in no way means they aren't one of the best 4 teams in the country.  In fact, given how UGA was handling Bama for most of that game, it would be hard for most to argue otherwise.  So why should another team like OU get a chance to play in it just because UGA lost... if OU isn't really a top 4 team (which I don't believe they are).  All comes down to.... are you trying to determine the BEST team in the country or not.  It would seem.... they are not.  None of this is really "fair" I guess.... so it is what it is.  If it were, I suppose UCF would be in.  


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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2018, 01:34:55 PM »
without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  
This is a complete load of BS.  OU's penalty yards per game are in the middle of the Big 12 stats at 61 ypg, higher than ISU (39), KSU (37), KU (56) and just under Tex (67) and Tech (68).  Only OSU (71) and Baylor (78) have substantially more.  
In the first RRS game this year, OU had 73 yards in penalties vs Texas 43.  In the game Saturday, we had 60 yards penalties, which is about our season average.  Texas had a lot more, uncharacteristic for them.  So, the zebs favored Texas in Oct and us in Dec.  C'est la vie.  I'm not making penalty excuses for OU's loss back in Oct, and I doubt my Texas friends here will blame penalties for Dec's Texas loss.
Oh, and if you want to compare to the other CFP teams, here are the numbers Bama (48 ypg), ND (45), Clemson (46).  OU averages a full 15 yards penalized per game more often than the other three.  
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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2018, 01:43:22 PM »
As for Bama ripping OU to shreds, that's why we play the games.  People said the same thing in the Sugar Bowl in 2013.

OU tends to do well against SEC teams, winning against Auburn and Alabama in recent Sugar Bowls and sweeping Tennessee recently in a home and home.  Last year's playoff with Georgia went to OT. 

SEC fervor aside, I expect a good game.  I won't say anything negative about the SEC, which is full of great teams.  But the Big 12 is no slouch.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2018, 01:48:49 PM »

I think CFB (which is the media, by and large) just wants Texas and Oklahoma on the big stage.

OU in the playoff and Texas in the Sugar Bowl?  Gimme a break.

OU has no defense and the Horns are Alamo Bowl ready.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2018, 01:52:14 PM »
the 12 has the goofiest officiating in the game this season, and they worked more in OU's favor than they went against.  this is a fact.  OU hasn't faced a strong D, and certainly not enough to warrant their O as 'great'... statistically they are the 'best', but we'll see how that works out for them against a strong D.  It sounds like Tua may be done for the season- but it will only matter against Clemson... it's Bama's D that is going to shut OU down hard, not the O- and there will be no refs to save them. 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2018, 02:05:08 PM »
Nice, Cousin.  I'm reminded of the last time OU and Bama played.  OU couldn't win that one either... until they did.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2018, 02:10:35 PM »
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2018, 02:19:34 PM »
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  
The Sugar Bowl had sights set on Texas and Georgia even before last weekend.

 

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