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utee94

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #994 on: November 27, 2023, 10:33:37 AM »
I think scheduling up does help, if you win, and quite a bit in the event of a clear tie otherwise.  It won't overcome a loss if the other team is 13-0.
Currently it's not overcoming a loss against a team with the same record, 11-1 Oregon who risked nothing by playing Portland State, Hawaii, and Texas Tech in their OOC. Heck, even YOU are completely discounting that win and Texas' superior SOS, and saying Oregon should get in over Texas if they both win out.

So again, the win over Alabama doesn't appear to be carrying any weight with the selection committee, which means it was an unnecessary risk. 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #995 on: November 27, 2023, 10:34:29 AM »
with fla st's qb injury it oughta be ga, mich, dub, & tx due to their win at bama.  jmo.  perhaps fla st will lose to the fraudulent cards & pave the way as i'm certain the committee won't do what they should if they don't.  & judging by their struggle with fla it's a distinct possibility.  as for ore their loss is slightly better than tx' (i think ?) but the bama win on the road was so impressive.  maybe if ga wins by 50 i'll think different but they won't that game will be a battle.  ore is favored by 9.5 for some reason (inj's idk about?).
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #996 on: November 27, 2023, 10:36:47 AM »
You make a coherent, logical, fact based argument, and that's why I think you will be wrong.
ya they're set up for the hoser.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #997 on: November 27, 2023, 11:21:57 AM »
Oregon only played 5 bowl eligible teams, that's some weak sauce.

I would like to note here this is another reason why Jayden Daniels deserves the Heisman over Bo Nix.  Nix couldn't even get close to Daniels' production with a much weaker schedule.  Oregon's SOS is #62 while LSU's is #7.  I am not clear on where that SOS comes from though.  

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« Reply #998 on: November 27, 2023, 11:34:48 AM »
I caught the first half and some of the 4th quarter of the Texas Tech game.  Finally, a game where the Horns didn't take either half off or shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly.  Looked like more non-holding calls for yet another UT opponent, but the Horns played too well for it to matter. 

I consider myself not to be much of a "calls conspiracy" guy, outside of some really questionable stuff in Alabama games over the years (although that was shattered by the recent Iron Bowl, where, for as much of it as I got to watch, the refs were screwing Bama left and right and handing AU gift after gift, keeping them alive).  However, the stuff the Big 12 has been doing with Texas this year is unquestionable.  You can look at things like holding calls against teams vs. Texas and holding calls against the same teams vs. everyone else, but you don't need to.  Just watch the games.  I don't see how you can reasonably conclude that the officials aren't just throwing up a giant middle finger to Texas this year.  It's really something.

When the Longhorns play like that, I think they're probably one of the two best teams, along with UGA--the version that played Ole Miss and Tennessee, not the UGA that craps around with Auburn, etc.  When both play their best game, I think those are the best teams I've seen.  Michigan and Ohio State are a step below that, maybe Oregon and Washington belong there too, and FSU with Jordan Travis. 

What I find interesting is not the conversation about Texas and Oregon.  Rather, Texas and FSU.  Even without losing Jordan Travis, I didn't think FSU was as good as UGA or Texas.  So if they win the ACC CG, what happens if Washington re-defeats the Ducks and UGA beats Alabama?  You have undefeated Michigan, Georgia, Washington and FSU.  Washington is probably safe from any 1-loss team taking their spot.  Florida State is interesting, because do you reward a team for being perfect and who continued to win after their QB was hurt?  Or do you penalize them because you "believe" they are lesser now, and don't give them the chance, and let a 1-loss team jump them?  There will be many arguments made either way, I think.  I myself am not sure what I'd do, because I see the merits of both sides, although I'm inclined to not let an undefeated team be jumped by a 1-loss, and FSU does have a nice ooc win over LSU. 

Should be interesting.  Seems like everyone thinks the Ducks will beat Washington, but the Ducks were thought to win the past two times, and Washington keeps beating them, so....  

I just hope Texas plays their best game again vs. Okie State.  Will be much better for the chaos if everyone else holds serve, which is more interesting than if they were to lose.  Plus, my wife and my many Longhorns friends will be happy, so there's that.  

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« Reply #999 on: November 27, 2023, 11:43:04 AM »
Yup.  Beating a solid OkState team, and winning the B12 at 12-1, would be a great accomplishment for this Texas team.

Like I said earlier, it's not like it's been raining B12 football trophies all over Austin.  Mackovic won one, Mack Brown won two, and that's it. Three B12 football championships in 26 years.  If Texas were to be fortunate enough to beat OkState, the 4th and final one should not be taken for granted.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1000 on: November 27, 2023, 12:03:32 PM »
I would not have guessed Texas would be that bereft of B12 trophies.

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« Reply #1001 on: November 27, 2023, 12:07:05 PM »
I would not have guessed Texas would be that bereft of B12 trophies.
Yup. Our archrival has pretty much dominated both us, and the conference, for the majority of our tenure here.

And then the last 14 years or so, where Texas has just sucked and lost to pretty much everybody.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1002 on: November 27, 2023, 12:37:38 PM »
A wise man once said, "Sucking sucks."

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« Reply #1003 on: November 27, 2023, 12:51:36 PM »
FTR, I've never liked the "their QB got hurt so they shouldn't be in the CFP" argument. I know that the Committee thinks that way, but I think it's wrong. I know that it stems from the mission to "pick the best team," but I still think it's wrong-headed.

In any case, they often don't pick the "best team" because they overly value the "zero losses" factor. And they value that zero even if it was helped by obvious officiating malpractice.

"Best resume"--which I value--is subjective too, but less so than "best team."
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1004 on: November 27, 2023, 12:59:32 PM »
I find that these "what-if" scenarios rarely play out.  Very good chance FSU will lose to 10-2 L'Ville.  

Very good chance UGa beats BAma.  2 loss Bama is out.  

Very good chance UDub beats Oregon.  

I didn't realize that oSu and Texas hadn't played.  I wouldn't count them out. Mike Gundy, for all his flaws, is a helluva coach about 1/2 the time.  Earlier this season I wrote them off, now they're playing for the CCG.  

Very fortuitous that UT scheduled Bama, that win is huge in their resume.  

My final 4 pick is as follows:
-UT and Mich
-UW and UGa

FSU loses.  I think that's the most likely scenario.  I still see UGa winning it all, and I very much look to see how UT matches up wiht Michigan.  Will Harbaugh be back for the playoff?  I can't remember how many games he's out.  Not sure if it makes a difference.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1005 on: November 27, 2023, 01:06:10 PM »
I believe Harbaugh gets to coach again starting now, in the Big Ten championship game.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1006 on: November 27, 2023, 01:08:41 PM »
what if Alabama beats Georgia

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1007 on: November 27, 2023, 01:10:12 PM »
I find that these "what-if" scenarios rarely play out.  Very good chance FSU will lose to 10-2 L'Ville. 

Very good chance UGa beats BAma.  2 loss Bama is out. 

Very good chance UDub beats Oregon. 

I didn't realize that oSu and Texas hadn't played.  I wouldn't count them out. Mike Gundy, for all his flaws, is a helluva coach about 1/2 the time.  Earlier this season I wrote them off, now they're playing for the CCG. 

Very fortuitous that UT scheduled Bama, that win is huge in their resume. 

My final 4 pick is as follows:
-UT and Mich
-UW and UGa

FSU loses.  I think that's the most likely scenario.  I still see UGa winning it all, and I very much look to see how UT matches up wiht Michigan.  Will Harbaugh be back for the playoff?  I can't remember how many games he's out.  Not sure if it makes a difference. 
Except that it's not helping, because the committee isn't looking at resume' and doesn't give a rat's ass about SOS.  If they did, Texas wouldn't currently be sitting behind Oregon.

 

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