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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #756 on: October 09, 2023, 02:26:18 PM »
While I'm clarifying things I said earlier, I should note that I bet it's not a knock on either QB that they haven't done well throwing against cover 2.  I bet most QBs aren't good at that.  I just heard former UGA QB Aaron Murray say something about that the other day, and how you mostly want to hand the ball off when you see it. 

I really need to know where I can find stats on that stuff.  I'm curious if it's a good indicator of how to weight performances when dealing with disparate schedules.  i.e., even if OU played a lighter schedule against less talented teams compared to Texas' more telling sample, spotting what a QB reads well and doesn't read well probably transcends the level of competition.  I'm no DC, but I assume that's how they use film to formulate a gameplan. 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #757 on: October 09, 2023, 02:57:29 PM »
perhaps you should send a subtle hint to the LSU D-coordinator regarding adding more cover 2?

Is Bo Pelini still involved in the defense at LSU?
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« Reply #758 on: October 09, 2023, 03:04:17 PM »
I didn't see the game but LSU knocked off a previously undefeated Mizzou team right?  Not sure why MDT is doing all this fretting.  I think he's setting us all up.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #759 on: October 09, 2023, 03:41:11 PM »
I watched most of the LSU/Mizzou game

hard fought contest

not quite as exciting as Horns/Sooners
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #760 on: October 09, 2023, 03:57:57 PM »
Bye week comes at a good time, we're pretty beat up.  It's sounding like we won't get the center Majors back, but maybe some of the other guys.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #761 on: October 09, 2023, 04:06:30 PM »
Majors apparently has the notorious "high ankle sprain". Recovery from that ranges from "tape it up" to "maybe it'll bear weight next year". 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #762 on: October 09, 2023, 04:33:38 PM »
Yeah "high ankle sprain" tends to be code for "any number of ankle/leg problems up to and including a broken bone, but we're not going to tell you, the public ,because you don't need to know."

Would be great to get him back for the back half of the season, our o-line is dramatically harmed without him.  For all of those watching the game and wondering why OU defenders were able to get into the backfield so frequently, that's a big part of it.
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #764 on: October 10, 2023, 03:18:55 PM »
Not just redzone efficiency....according to FEI, Texas is just .379 in drives that result in TD, which is objectively good, but low compared to the other teams hanging out in the Top 15 offenses. 

I'm a little confused why Texas isn't getting a bigger bump between flat metrics and opponent-adjusted rank in that formula.  The Longhorns' opponents' records are better than everybody else worth talking about, and it's not even close.  Kansas, Alabama, and Wyoming are all one-loss teams.....losing to Texas.  

3.26 points per drive, tho, which is probably a more important metric, and is pretty good relative to the field.  That averages out to a bit more than a FG, so.....a little less Burt Auburn and a little more Worthy is what the doctor orders. 

Anyway, while interesting, it's all mostly worthless come game day.  I just like pondering advanced stats.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #765 on: October 10, 2023, 04:21:34 PM »
Yeah they're interesting to me as well.  You just can't read TOO much into them.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #766 on: October 10, 2023, 04:28:25 PM »
Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.

Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone? 

FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #767 on: October 10, 2023, 04:34:24 PM »
Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.

Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone?

FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.

Agree with both the fact that we should have used it, and also it shouldn't be permissible.

Look, the entire reason that it wasn't legal for the offense to do the "Bush-push/tush-push", is because it's not legal for the defense to do the same thing.  When the defense does it, they blow the play dead and award Forward Progress.  The defense isn't allowed to lift and/or push backward, and so the offense wasn't allowed to lift and/or push forward.

But now that the Bush-push has been legalized, they should get rid of the forward progress rule and allow the defense to do the same thing.

If that sounds ridiculous, well you might be right.  Which is why the Bush push should remain an illegal play.

(I'll also note that in a world with a Forward Progress rule, there can not and should not be anything that's ever referred to as "second effort."  As in, "well the runner finally got the first down with his second effort."  Nope, if he didn't get it with his FIRST effort then that means his forward progress was stopped and therefore the play is dead.)

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #768 on: October 11, 2023, 10:26:59 AM »
Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.

Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone?

FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.

Ah, but you see, LSU @ Missouri has shown this not to be the case.

The Bush-push can, in fact, be overcome by blind zebras.  

For example, LSU lines up at the 1, QB takes the snap, the line surges, he dives, and two backs start pushing, thinking they will ensure the matter.  Before any reasonable definition of forward progress was stopped, the entire team was in the endzone, including over 2/3 of the QBs body and a good bit of the trailing backs doing the pushing.  

And somehow, they were ruled short.  And no, his knee, elbow, wrist, whatever, never hit the ground.  

There were a number of comically obvious missed calls for both teams in that game which prove that entire crew was legally blind--I think the worst I've ever seen--but this is just to say that play can be stopped.  What physical limitations prohibit, incompetence can offset.  

On the plus side, it did allow RG3 plenty of opportunity to zing his crazy one-liners, which most people either love or love to hate.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #769 on: October 11, 2023, 03:16:28 PM »
Our self-inflicted head wounds just killed our chances.  OU played a great game, probably the best possible game they could.  Texas didn't.

I like our chances to get a rematch and if so I really like our chances to WIN that rematch.
OU's special teams played terrible. Punt blocked for a TD. Fell for a fake punt that enabled an apparent 3-and-out to turn into a TD drive. Messed up its own trick play on a return that otherwise went for good yardage.
So, lots of stuff for the Sooners to clean up too.
The probable rematch will probably be interesting.
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