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FearlessF

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2023, 11:59:50 AM »
9-3 Iowa State or Okie St.?

follow the $$$

teams like that aren't going to have great TV ratings, even in the playoff
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2023, 12:07:03 PM »
I am looking at the two conference champs that don' tt make the top four slots.  They would get an at large bid as it's currently done.

I'd guess you'd have the Pac Whatever champ, if it survives at all, and the MWC champ, which would be a sad group.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2023, 12:09:24 PM »
the TV network that bid to have those matchups is gonna want change
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2023, 01:08:00 PM »
Long term, I think conferences will experience de-alignment.  

Short term, next 10-20 years, I think we're going to be an AFC / NFC scenario. 

B1G vs SEC, 8 outta ten teams int the playoff.  4 spots up for grabs, until the playoff expands to 16.  That's the ultimate goal IMO.  
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #102 on: August 06, 2023, 11:13:06 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 06, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
TCU didn't need the $$$ to win the B12, but they needed the invite to the conference

no program is ever going to agree to taking millions of dollars less, even if they think they can win more games

games against who?

I'm guessing going forward the 12-team playoff is going to be stacked with B1G and SEC teams, the ACC (for now) and ND

winning the B12 and the PAC isn't going to get you in.

The ACC is terrible, I'm curious why you keep bringing them up?  The New B12 is a much better football conference than the ACC.  
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« Reply #103 on: August 07, 2023, 12:51:27 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 06, 2023, 01:08:00 PM
Long term, I think conferences will experience de-alignment. 

Short term, next 10-20 years, I think we're going to be an AFC / NFC scenario.

B1G vs SEC, 8 outta ten teams int the playoff.  4 spots up for grabs, until the playoff expands to 16.  That's the ultimate goal IMO. 
The playoff should be winner of the 4 major conferences and 4 at large for 8 teams
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #104 on: August 07, 2023, 05:22:53 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 06, 2023, 11:13:06 PM
The ACC is terrible, I'm curious why you keep bringing them up?  The New B12 is a much better football conference than the ACC. 

indeed.  regardless i would imagine both leagues will produce a top 12 qual team virtually every season that’s not that hard.

to the dude that referenced cinci getting in remember the yr they did that they won at notre dame and went undefeated and it was a yr nd otherwise had a good record.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #105 on: August 07, 2023, 07:33:24 AM »
We now have only four P5 conferences if we include the ACC and not the Pac 4.  Something will have to give.  And I don't think the ACC is all that bad in football.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #106 on: August 07, 2023, 10:23:47 AM »
according to the pre-season polls.....

national perception is that the ACC is better than the B12

perception is not reality, but.....
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #107 on: August 07, 2023, 10:28:26 AM »
The ACC has three historically near elite programs, the B12 has none.  The ACC drops off pretty fast though to mediocrity, and worse.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #108 on: August 07, 2023, 10:34:26 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 07, 2023, 10:23:47 AM
according to the pre-season polls.....

national perception is that the ACC is better than the B12

perception is not reality, but.....
Preseason polls, rat's ass.

Last year's final AP Poll:

2 TCU (new B12)
10 Utah (new B12)
11 FSU (ACC)
13 Clemson (ACC)
14 Kansas State (new B12)
22 Pitt (ACC)

new B12 avg rank 8.7, ACC avg rank 15.3.  I rest my case :)



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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #109 on: August 07, 2023, 10:35:57 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 07, 2023, 10:28:26 AM
The ACC has three historically near elite programs, the B12 has none.  The ACC drops off pretty fast though to mediocrity, and worse.


The ACC only has one program performing  at an elite level in any consistent matter that is relevant in 2023, and a couple of fading near-helmets.  The middle to bottom falls quickly to trash.  The B12 is much more solid all the way through.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #110 on: August 07, 2023, 10:46:12 AM »
Last season's final AP Poll - closer than I thought until you get to other's receiving

1 -Georgia

2 -TCU

3 -Michigan

4 -Ohio State

5 -Alabama

6 -Tennessee

7 -Penn State

8 -Washington

9 -Tulane

10 -Utah

11 -Florida State

12 -USC

13 -Clemson

14 -Kansas State

15 -Oregon

16 -LSU

17 -Oregon State

18 -Notre Dame

19 -Troy

20 -Mississippi State

21 -UCLA

22 -Pittsburgh

23 -South Carolina

24 -Fresno State

25 -Texas

Others receiving votes: Duke 49,  Texas Tech 19, North Carolina 8, NC State 6, Louisville 3
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2023, 10:51:03 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 07, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
Last season's final AP Poll - closer than I thought until you get to other's receiving

1 -Georgia

2 -TCU

3 -Michigan

4 -Ohio State

5 -Alabama

6 -Tennessee

7 -Penn State

8 -Washington

9 -Tulane

10 -Utah

11 -Florida State

12 -USC

13 -Clemson

14 -Kansas State

15 -Oregon

16 -LSU

17 -Oregon State

18 -Notre Dame

19 -Troy

20 -Mississippi State

21 -UCLA

22 -Pittsburgh

23 -South Carolina

24 -Fresno State

25 -Texas

Others receiving votes: Duke 49,  Texas Tech 19, North Carolina 8, NC State 6, Louisville 3


You missed the New B12's Cincinnati with 1 vote.  

Now, go ahead and add up total points for each conference, see how that shakes out. :)
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