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Topic: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2023, 01:17:52 PM »
Well there were zero watching us that weekend 'cause we sucked so bad we couldn't even make the CCG.  So there's that.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2023, 01:18:42 PM »
Do the AZ teams get many eyeballs?  BYU will be interesting.

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« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2023, 01:26:28 PM »
Do the AZ teams get many eyeballs?  BYU will be interesting.
I don't think they get many.  It's not like bringing in some of the bottom teams from the PAC is going to "save" the B12, but I don't think it's going to hurt the B12, either.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #157 on: September 19, 2023, 03:19:10 PM »
I think the Pac teams will be about even, as you suggested, from what I can discern.  Maybe they should take OrSU and Wazzu and basically make a "Western Division".


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« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2023, 05:01:22 PM »


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« Reply #159 on: September 21, 2023, 01:50:23 PM »
I don't know how much interest the Arizona teams bring in their own state but I would maybe think that the matchups with the other Big 12 teams would be more exciting than what the PAC offered outside USC/UCLA.  I never watched much of anything with the PAC anyways, but I may be interested to see Ariz and oSu or ASU and KSU.  

If the teams are good the fans will watch it.  Entertainment is what we're after.  

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« Reply #160 on: October 11, 2023, 02:08:54 PM »
Personally, I was very happy with the SEC we joined ( as I was also happy with much of the B12 as it existed, with the exception of the divisions makeup).

The conferences made sense. Now, they just seem so bloated. There can only be one conference champion.  Arkansas has been in the SEC for 30+ years and hasn’t won it yet ( 4 CCG appearances). UTenn hasn’t won since 1998 ( coincidentally A&M’s last title as well). I can see a future where you have 3-4 blue bloods that get stuck in the middle for decades, sorta like UNL is right now. 1999 was their last, 24 years and counting and it may not happen for them ever again. I know OU fans have plenty of high expectations ( and a little hubris ) but seriously it only takes a few years of mediocre coaching and bad leadership and your program will be in a deep hole that’s hard to get out of. How happy is OU and its fans going to be when they hit 20-25 years with no conference titles. Has that ever even happened before in their history? 

All the signs point to the SE US being the power center for football. Bama, UGA, UF.LSU is on that list also with 3 MNCs this century.
Re the underlined, OU was champion of the MVIAA (the ancestor of both the Missouri Valley Conference and the Big 6/7/8) in 1920 and did not win another until 1938, when it won the Big 6. More recently, OU won the Big 8 in 1987 and did not win another conference title until 2000. Those are the longest dry spells as far as winning a conference title.
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« Reply #161 on: October 11, 2023, 03:21:11 PM »
Well A&M is at 25 years and counting (I already wrote this year off, had to beat Bama at home to have a shot).  I know most of you don't think much of the Aggies but we've won 18 conference championships in our past.  We're not in quite the same class as Texas Tech or Kansas or Oklahoma State.  We were pretty good at times in almost every decade except the 50's and 60's and even then we won a couple in the SWC, we won a lot in the 80's and 90's.  

The sad part is that we probably would have won at least 2-4 more conference titles had we stayed in the Big 12.  I know it's easy to say that after the fact but OSU won, Baylor won, TCU won. 

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« Reply #162 on: October 12, 2023, 11:31:52 AM »
Gigem:

Looking back at the original Big 12 configuration, A&M would seem to have been the natural #4 team, based on historical performance. But that understates how good A&M was at the time. The '90s were a decade in which Texas A&M went 6-4 against Texas and had a better overall record than Texas. And A&M had a much better decade than OU did. So, when the conference was formed, the Aggies could have made the case that they were the #2 program in the conference, behind Nebraska.

But Mack Brown's arrival in Austin and Bob Stoops' arrival in Norman brought improvement to UT and OU, and R.C. Slocum failed to keep up. A&M won that 1998 conference championship, ruining Bill Snyder's last best hope for a national championship, but none after that.

Is Jimbo Fisher the guy to get the Aggies where the fans want them to be?
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #163 on: October 12, 2023, 11:51:19 AM »
The SEC is going to be bloated, but at least it's still relatively regional and name still mostly makes sense.  Oklahoma isn't really south or eastern, but they fill out the square shape of the southeast quadrant of the country.  Texas is sort of Southern, depending on who you ask, but geographically they are the obvious place for the SEC to expand. 

It's way better than what the Big 12 has going on these days with West Virginia, for example, and now BYU.  That's a geographic mess.  And the Big Ten, with the California schools etc. joining......ugh.  Traditionally college football was a regional sport, and while the SEC has done as much or more than anyone to NFL-ize the sport, at least A&M gets to participate in something that's still mostly regional.  

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« Reply #164 on: October 12, 2023, 12:41:10 PM »
The SEC is going to be bloated, but at least it's still relatively regional and name still mostly makes sense.  Oklahoma isn't really south or eastern, but they fill out the square shape of the southeast quadrant of the country.  Texas is sort of Southern, depending on who you ask, but geographically they are the obvious place for the SEC to expand. 

It's way better than what the Big 12 has going on these days with West Virginia, for example, and now BYU.  That's a geographic mess.  And the Big Ten, with the California schools etc. joining......ugh.  Traditionally college football was a regional sport, and while the SEC has done as much or more than anyone to NFL-ize the sport, at least A&M gets to participate in something that's still mostly regional.
Oklahoma became a state with the merger of Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory. Oklahoma Territory was "western" in outlook and economy, while Indian Territory was "southern." There was a question about which viewpoint would prevail. Then the first law passed by the Oklahoma legislature established Jim Crow. So "southern" won that culture war.
Missouri is the outlier as far as shape goes.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #165 on: October 12, 2023, 12:56:21 PM »
Missouri is the outlier as far as shape goes.

More or less.  But it could be argued that Kentucky was already a geographic outlier, and adding Missouri nicely rounds out a more normal outline to the SEC, making UK look less like an outlier.  Particularly now with OU on board.  The conference will cover a quarter of the country, but it's a contiguous quarter which can aptly be described as "southeastern."  

In other news, many think of LSU as a Johnny come lately that started under Saban in the early 00's.  In fact, LSU is something like 13 or 14 all-time, according to several lists I've seen (and if somebody made a list, it has to be true).  Not exactly a blue blood, but not a historic also-ran either.  I wonder if having to play OU and UT more frequently now is going to hurt LSU's win% going forward.  In our case we'll probably only ever play one or the other in a given year, but that's an extra historic power that will take the place of a Mississippi State, for example, on our schedule.  

SEC fans have said for years that other big schools wouldn't win so many games if they had to play through an SEC schedule.  Guess we're 'bout to find out.  

One thing I do know for sure, roster acquisition and management has fundamentally changed with NIL and the xfer portal.  And LSU is badly behind the times with NIL, and it shows when you track individual swings and misses with players.  I hate what the game is now, but LSU will have to figure something out if they don't want to slide into irrelevance.  

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #166 on: October 12, 2023, 12:58:10 PM »
Ive never thought of Oklahoma as a deep Southern state

All my relatives on my moms side came from Oklahoma

My mother was born in Anadarko Oklahoma 

However in my mind Oklahoma is much more Southern then Missouri
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #167 on: October 12, 2023, 01:34:59 PM »
Oklahoma isn't really south or eastern, but they fill out the square shape of the southeast quadrant of the country.  
 Yep.  OU is S of Mizzou and E of UT.

 

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