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Topic: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1722 on: March 25, 2018, 09:11:49 PM »
Oh. They seemed to be, if not Michigan, the nation's hottest team since February. And I've been led to believe zones take Michigan out if its flow. I guess I know less than the little I thought I knew.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1723 on: March 25, 2018, 10:17:25 PM »
I think in terms of talent, yes.  But defensively, they were terrible, which is why they went to that zone, and dared teams to shoot them out of it.  I think both Villanova and Michigan would have.
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1724 on: March 25, 2018, 11:02:49 PM »
I'm out of my depth range but the specific thing I thought I saw was that, in terms of Defensive Efficiency (KenPom?), they were the best in the Field of 64 since the beginning of February - with Michigan 2nd and UVa in around somewhere up there.

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« Reply #1725 on: March 25, 2018, 11:09:58 PM »
That's possible, I know they improved once they abandoned their man defense, which was outside the top 100.  I didn't realize it had improved that much.  I still would take my chances with Michigan against that zone, considering it's certainly not Ks MO

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1726 on: March 25, 2018, 11:33:00 PM »
I never really understand why people hate the tourney setup. It’s all about being hot at the right time, as are many sports. 
Personally, I don’t need a marquee matchup as long as the basketball is good. I’ll take a hot Loyola team over a team getting hype just because of tradition and history, but not playing great ball (UNC). The outcome is left on the court as opposed to hotel conference rooms like college football.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1727 on: March 26, 2018, 12:35:57 AM »
I think that's fine, too, Super. And I wouldn't call it tourney hate. The distinction we were making is whether an ideal tournament will be chiefly (1) entertaining or chiefly (2) about maximizing the odds that the champ is the team that was the best overall since October. 
My point wasn't to say the current tournament isn't fun. It might be maximally fun. I just value the other thing even more. It sounds like you're moreso in it for the entertainment value. I can respect that. 
But the downside for me is that we call this tourney champion the entire season's champion. But it isn't that. It's just a 3-week tourney champion.

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« Reply #1728 on: March 26, 2018, 06:45:21 AM »
Unfortunately, the trophy doesn't say "tourney" champion. It says something different.
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« Reply #1729 on: March 26, 2018, 08:44:27 AM »
Yeah, it's not a "helmet" thing, I don't care if it's UNC or Xavier.  Just as a fan whose team is out and whose bracket is busted, I want to watch good basketball.  Nothing to diminish a team getting hot at the right time.  But there's also a reason the caliber of basketball on Sunday was WAY better than on Saturday.  Florida State and Kansas State were teams that finished like 8th in their own conferences.  They simply weren't all that good.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1730 on: March 26, 2018, 08:49:16 AM »
Loyola played a pretty solid game Saturday. I enjoy watching team basketball.
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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1731 on: March 26, 2018, 09:02:04 AM »
I never really understand why people hate the tourney setup. It’s all about being hot at the right time, as are many sports.
Personally, I don’t need a marquee matchup as long as the basketball is good. I’ll take a hot Loyola team over a team getting hype just because of tradition and history, but not playing great ball (UNC). The outcome is left on the court as opposed to hotel conference rooms like college football.
Nobody bitches when a WC wins the Super Bowl.  

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« Reply #1732 on: March 26, 2018, 09:27:27 AM »
Nobody bitches when a WC wins the Super Bowl.  
I disagree that nobody does, we have on here before.
But I think there are a couple of differences.
(1) We are used to having series in the NBA, and we know we can't get that in football, so we are willing to accept the flukiness of any sort of football playoff.
(2) the NFL playoffs are so much smaller, that at least you went through the bulk of more deserving teams to get there.  A Wildcard that reaches the Super Bowl beat 3/5 of the other playoff teams from their conference, and the way the bracket is set up, almost certainly they were 3 of the 4 division champs.  In the NCAA basketball tournament, you only play 5 of 31 teams on your side of the bracket, and there's no guarantee they are even the good ones.  Like when George Mason made their run, even though they weren't one of the best 4 teams, they did go through Michigan State, North Carolina and UConn to get there, so we more accepted it.  But the way things happened this year, it wasn't the teams that made it that knocked off the top teams, other teams knocked off the top teams, then Michigan and Loyola knocked off those teams.
(3) I was never talking about legitimacy of a champion.  You have to be both lucky and good.  That was my point about Purdue.  I think they still are the best team in the Big Ten, but they didn't get the scheduling luck MSU had during the regular season; or other teams knocking of all the big boys luck that Michigan had in the postseason, so they are going home.  I was simply saying as a neutral fan, I was a little bummed about the caliber of basketball we were stuck with on Thursday/Saturday.  It was a shell of what we saw on Friday/Sunday, and as a fan, I feel a little cheated there.  And that does carry to the NFL.  I was bummed we didn't get a Patriots-Steelers AFC Championship.  I have a little Warriors-Cavs fatigue at this point, but I'm glad we didn't get Warriors-Raptors or something last year.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1733 on: March 26, 2018, 09:44:48 AM »
Nobody bitches when a WC wins the Super Bowl.  
Oh, I don’t like it when a WC wins the SB.  I especially didn’t like it when the 9-7 Giants won it and didn’t like it when the 9-7 Cardinals made it.  It just feels like the wrong result to me.

My conundrum is I love the NCAA Tournament.  It’s my favorite sporting event, but I also prefer to crown the most consistent, best teams over the course of the season the champion.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1734 on: March 26, 2018, 09:46:12 AM »
Oh, I don’t like it when a WC wins the SB.  I especially didn’t like it when the 9-7 Giants won it and didn’t like it when the 9-7 Cardinals made it.  It just feels like the wrong result to me.

My conundrum is I love the NCAA Tournament.  It’s my favorite sporting event, but I also prefer to crown the most consistent, best teams over the course of the season the champion.
I like a spattering of upsets in the first round, but I like the 2nd round to be boring chalk games, that gives us a really strong Sweet 16

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #1735 on: March 26, 2018, 10:14:29 AM »
I like a spattering of upsets in the first round, but I like the 2nd round to be boring chalk games, that gives us a really strong Sweet 16
Agree!

 

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