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Topic: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~

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mcwterps1

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #616 on: January 13, 2018, 01:55:30 PM »
Hard not to like Jackson though as a legit one and done. 

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #617 on: January 13, 2018, 01:58:34 PM »
MSU in a hole and looking disjointed on offense

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« Reply #618 on: January 13, 2018, 02:15:11 PM »
The fouls, the taunting after dunks...
Refs real timid with the whistle against Dook 2.0.
It's a fucking rivalry game.  Wagner was posing after every play too.  They even talked about it during the broadcast.  Your obsession remains adorable.
Stick a fork in MSU.  OSU gave everyone the blueprint.  Go small, double Ward every touch.  Easy win.  I think the plan was to redshirt Ahrens at this point, but it's clear that this team needs wings badly.  It's Bridges and nothing.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #619 on: January 13, 2018, 02:15:51 PM »
Dan Dakich actually said "If you were to play one of those games where you take a drink of a beverage every time I say Keita Bates-Diop on a broadcast, you'd get pretty messed up." Then started talking about Harry's Chocolate Shop at Purdue is such a great place...

I think Dakich enjoys imbibing a bit...

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #620 on: January 13, 2018, 02:22:35 PM »
2nd half called more reasonably. 

Outcome shows it. 

Can't wait to get another loss Monday. 

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #621 on: January 13, 2018, 02:29:08 PM »
Izzo got outcoached badly again.  Had to figure something out other than Ward or Tillman on Wagner.  Refs were calling everything down low.  You blew on someone, it was a foul.  MSU attacked the basket in the first half, UM didn't.  At one point MSU had one 3 point attempt and UM had 11.  Beilein recognized that, second half they attacked, and pretty much every time they did they got a basket or a foul, just like MSU was getting in the first half.

The turnovers we're obviously the biggest story.  To do that at home is inexcusable.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #622 on: January 13, 2018, 02:32:54 PM »
Izzo got outcoached badly again.  Had to figure something out other than Ward or Tillman on Wagner.  Refs were calling everything down low.  You blew on someone, it was a foul.  MSU attacked the basket in the first half, UM didn't.  At one point MSU had one 3 point attempt and UM had 11.  Beilein recognized that, second half they attacked, and pretty much every time they did they got a basket or a foul, just like MSU was getting in the first half.

The turnovers we're obviously the biggest story.  To do that at home is inexcusable.
Good summation. Poorly officiated down low. I thought it was home cooking in the first half but Blue got some calls the second half down low because they attacked the hoop.
Michigan’s free throw shooting will cost them games this year. They were lucky it did not today.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #623 on: January 13, 2018, 02:42:42 PM »
Can't do anything is isolation - guard or breakdown off dribble. Can't protect the ball. 

Stop transition, pressure on ball and we turtle. Teams can overcome our defense simply by waiting for turnovers and extra possessions. 

Izzo all of a sudden has a real mess on his hands. 

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #624 on: January 13, 2018, 02:44:08 PM »
Good summation. Poorly officiated down low. I thought it was home cooking in the first half but Blue got some calls the second half down low because they attacked the hoop.
Michigan’s free throw shooting will cost them games this year. They were lucky it did not today.
They were calling everything ticky tack in the paint both ways.  Early on, UM never went into the paint.  When the 3PA difference is 11-1, the FT difference is always going to be lopsided the other way.  When Beilein adjusted UM got the same calls.  That's why he's a hell of a coach.  Izzos in game "adjustments" today were trash, and Beileins were perfect.

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« Reply #625 on: January 13, 2018, 02:44:56 PM »
Can't do anything is isolation - guard or breakdown off dribble. Can't protect the ball.

Stop transition, pressure on ball and we turtle. Teams can overcome our defense simply by waiting for turnovers and extra possessions.

Izzo all of a sudden has a real mess on his hands.
He's had this problem before.  Killed the 2006 team too.  Neitzels wasn't good yet in the half court.  When they couldn't run, they couldn't do anything.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #626 on: January 13, 2018, 02:55:05 PM »
Good summation. Poorly officiated down low. I thought it was home cooking in the first half but Blue got some calls the second half down low because they attacked the hoop.
Michigan’s free throw shooting will cost them games this year. They were lucky it did not today.
As to your last point.  I think UM was 13th in the Big Ten in FT shooting, and couldn't miss.  Rutgers was last, and shot nearly 90% I think on Wednesday.
MSUs FT defense is somehow terrible.

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #627 on: January 13, 2018, 02:58:03 PM »
Remember last year Wagner absolutely abused Swanigan, and he at least has some mobility.  Yet Tillman, who would have maybe redshirted if Carter was healthy, is supposed to handle that one on one?

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #628 on: January 13, 2018, 03:03:17 PM »
Remember last year Wagner absolutely abused Swanigan, and he at least has some mobility.  Yet Tillman, who would have maybe redshirted if Carter was healthy, is supposed to handle that one on one?
Jackson is the only option there and he was in foul trouble early, again

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Re: ~2017-18 Big Ten Basketball Thread~
« Reply #629 on: January 13, 2018, 03:31:20 PM »
Can't do anything is isolation - guard or breakdown off dribble. Can't protect the ball.

Stop transition, pressure on ball and we turtle. Teams can overcome our defense simply by waiting for turnovers and extra possessions.

Izzo all of a sudden has a real mess on his hands.
That's actually encouraging to hear as a Purdue fan... Our defense is absolutely going to force you to beat us with half-court offense. I can foresee a frustrated Bridges jacking up threes with a hand in his face all game.

Remember last year Wagner absolutely abused Swanigan, and he at least has some mobility.  Yet Tillman, who would have maybe redshirted if Carter was healthy, is supposed to handle that one on one?
Neither Haas nor Swanigan were particularly mobile. Mobility was the biggest knock on Swanigan's game. And he was so important to the team last year that he HAD to play poor defense to avoid fouls. Purdue couldn't afford him not being on the court. 

Wagner is a matchup nightmare. On Tuesday Purdue tried to neutralize him by switching screens on him such that he was being guarded by smaller but quicker players. But eventually Michigan realized that meant that shooters were being guarded at the arc by Haas, and they just decided to shoot over him because he's immobile. That was effectively the reason that Purdue neutralized Michigan in the first half and why Michigan came roaring back in the second. Good strategy by Painter, great counter by Beilein. 

Between guys like Jackson and Bridges, who both have some size, can't Izzo put someone more athletic on Wagner?

 

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