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MrNubbz

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2022, 12:26:26 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 27, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
Russia doesn't have political officers so far as I know in their army encouraging the troops.
They have their stoolies like Stalin had Beria.Who denounce them when  gone.But lap dogs while alive
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2022, 12:30:24 PM »
That just seems really stupid. You don’t think Russia has bombs and bombers of their own?  Maybe they can’t strike directly back at Washington DC but they could inflect some pain on Europe and major European cities and capitals. Then we’re basically in WW III. 

Plus Russia could launch cruise missiles and non nuclear ICBMs. The ICBMs wouldn’t do much damage on the surface but a few well placed bombs would certainly damage the psyche of their targets. Not to mention you wouldn’t know it was a non nuclear payload until it hit. It would be a terrifyingly long few minutes assuming the recipient country could detect the launch. 

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2022, 12:31:55 PM »
It's ignorant as a concept.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2022, 12:32:50 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 27, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
That just seems really stupid. You don’t think Russia has bombs and bombers of their own?  Maybe they can’t strike directly back at Washington DC 

Considering what these assholes have turned into  might save us alittle work
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2022, 12:37:25 PM »
I keep thinking back to the US lead invasion of Iraq in 2003. They were a sovereign country. Ruled by a dictator and his thugs sure but as far as I can tell they kept to themselves after the Kuwait fiasco. Nobody really knows the purpose of why we invaded other than “9-11”, and WMD. 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2022, 12:52:55 PM »
I have here a pretty good book IMHO, "Plan of Attack".  It's a classic case I saw often at work, the Head Guy decides on a thing, and the sycophants all over themselves telling the HG how right he is.  Anyone who demurs takes career damage.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2022, 04:44:14 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 27, 2022, 12:37:25 PM
I keep thinking back to the US lead invasion of Iraq in 2003. They were a sovereign country. Ruled by a dictator and his thugs sure but as far as I can tell they kept to themselves after the Kuwait fiasco. Nobody really knows the purpose of why we invaded other than “9-11”, and WMD.
Cuz daddy never got 'him.'
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2022, 04:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on February 27, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
so who is going to bomb Washington DC for.... Vietnam, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II, Libya, and Syria? We gonna bomb ourselves?
Thank you for making the larger point.

You get a brownie.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2022, 04:46:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 27, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
Bombing Moscow with conventional weapons to any consequence would be, well, difficult.


I was under the impression that our bombers are too high for anyone fast enough to harm them and too fast for anyone high enough.  
No?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2022, 04:50:41 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 27, 2022, 04:46:17 PM
I was under the impression that our bombers are too high for anyone fast enough to harm them and too fast for anyone high enough. 
No?
No.  The Soviets shot down a U2 in 1960.

Bombers today attempt to enter hostile airspace going as low as possible, below radar, below hills using terrain following radar.  Anybody up high would get shot down, aside from perhaps the B-2. We have a grand total of 20 B-2s.

The B-52 radar signature is enormous.  The B-1B is sizeable, it is capable of supersonic flight for short distances, and it's obsolescent.  One would need multiple sorties by all our B-52s to damage a large city to much extent using non-nuclear.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2022, 04:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 27, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
That just seems really stupid. You don’t think Russia has bombs and bombers of their own?  Maybe they can’t strike directly back at Washington DC but they could inflect some pain on Europe and major European cities and capitals. Then we’re basically in WW III.

So a non-nuclear yet harsh counter-attack is really stupid.  Mkay.

We know where all their shit is.  For the U.S. to finally be able to declare war on a country would be a relief.  Like Superman fighting someone his own size....no more pulling punches, no more worrying about stopping the bad guy without killing him......just unleash hell on an enemy.  

Russia would be a fucking ghost.  A rumor.  History book fodder like Sumer and sanskrit.  
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2022, 04:52:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 27, 2022, 04:46:17 PM
I was under the impression that our bombers are too high for anyone fast enough to harm them and too fast for anyone high enough. 
No?
Gary Powers was at 70,000 feet when he was downed and that was over 50 years ago so I doubt a plane can fly too high
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2022, 04:53:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 27, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
No.  The Soviets shot down a U2 in 1960.

Bombers today attempt to enter hostile airspace going as low as possible, below radar, below hills using terrain following radar.  Anybody up high would get shot down, aside from perhaps the B-2. We have a grand total of 20 B-2s.

The B-52 radar signature is enormous.  The B-1B is sizeable, it is capable of supersonic flight for short distances, and it's obsolescent.  One would need multiple sorties by all our B-52s to damage a large city to much extent using non-nuclear.
Hmph.  Okay.  Then the most realistic thing would be sending a bunch of poor 19 year olds on suicide missions.
Done.
None of the decision-makers would bat an eye.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2022, 04:54:32 PM »
A nuclear strike on Russia would obviously be, well, risky, on a number of points, which is why no one has used one since 1945.

MAD.
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