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But forget all that, it seems far more important to discuss how Ukraine was so threatening to Putin that he had to undertake slaughtering its citizens (and anyone else that happened to be in the area at the time).

yes and hes justified caused he warned us years ago he would do this

Even this seems questionable to me. Countries and governments come and go. How many countries that were signatories to that treaty have seen their governments overthrown and constitutions changed and entire country/political system change since signing? Probably many. Why should the new country or government be burdened by old treaties they didn't agree to?

by that same token, why should treaties burden themselves with new/overthrown governments?

which would mean that russia isn't a member of the un, nor a perm member of the security council.

russia assumed the responsibilities of the old ussr, and thus to reap the benefits they should also be obliged to the burdens.

Yes, it is, because if the goal is for it to stop and minimize casualties then understanding the motivations of the people involved seems pretty danged important.

I'm confident that I understand the motivations of Putin.  And that MDot doesn't.

The only thing that's going to stop the casualties is Putin's death, at this point. 

I'm confident that I understand the motivations of Putin.  And that MDot doesn't.

The only thing that's going to stop the casualties is Putin's death, at this point.

i won't say his death, but certainly his removal from power. death is only one means of that, though. and maybe preferable.

how is that remotely a key issue here?

a prior us invasion of a country completely unrelated to any party involved here, justified or not, has no bearing on this war. i can't use some other guy hitting his girlfriend as an excuse to attack a 4th person just because they know the guy and are friendly.

Well, if our goal is to solve the crisis using diplomacy and non-military sanctions, then it makes a difference. You probably wouldn't go to O.J. to help save your marriage.

Why should a person who gets a name change be held responsible for the actions of or debts accrued by their former name?

What if they announce that they no longer identify as that former person?

What if they undergo a gender change and aren't even really the same person?

ok when Puttinella shows up we'll be nice to her

Sam did you fall out of the Hindenberg FFS? If these thugs just waylayed your family,I mean really a mortar takes out your wife and kids or worse leaves them dying slowly in front of you. The 1st thing tumbling off your tongue is "um hey Andrei,Boris,Sergei what is your motivation,ya know just so we understand what makes you tic so as we won't upset you as you fillet our people and plunder our homes

Well, sure. That's the main reason the Taliban was able to recapture Afghanistan despite severe deficits military technology - having your family hit with a mortar doesn't increase local support. But I'm not talking about the effects of war, which are of course awful. The why is a much more interesting question and probably more effective at ending the conflict.