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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #476 on: March 02, 2022, 07:33:58 PM »
Not sure Gorbachev,Chernenko or even Khruschev (after Stalin) purged much if anyone
Yeah.  So...?  If they were the only Russian leaders, ever, then I guess you'd have a point?


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« Reply #478 on: March 02, 2022, 07:40:36 PM »
They have thousands of nukes, most deliverable.  It's not a great situation if their leadership goes unstable. 
yeah, and not to mention despite the bravado, the ABM defense systems haven't proven to be all that great. most of those nukes would hit their intended targets.

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« Reply #479 on: March 02, 2022, 07:43:23 PM »
Yeah.  So...?  If they were the only Russian leaders, ever, then I guess you'd have a point?
The worm can turn,things were good under Mikhail Gorbachev/Boris Yeltsin(getting better anyway) - ya gotta try,right?
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« Reply #480 on: March 02, 2022, 07:45:11 PM »
 most of those nukes would hit their intended targets.
not if they are designed like the ABMs
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #481 on: March 02, 2022, 07:45:17 PM »
The Aegis Ashore system is very limited in numbers and meant to intercept an accident or Iranian launch

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« Reply #482 on: March 02, 2022, 07:49:49 PM »

An accident could still mean a launch - strange game - the only winning move is not to play
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« Reply #483 on: March 02, 2022, 07:50:10 PM »
But forget all that, it seems far more important to discuss how Ukraine was so threatening to Putin that he had to undertake slaughtering its citizens (and anyone else that happened to be in the area at the time).
It was not just Putin that was bitching and warning about NATO expansion. His predecessor Yeltsin was too. Like Brzezinski said decades ago, Russia without Ukraine ceases to be a power. They were never going to let it out of their orbit. Take Putin out, put nearly any Russian leader in- result would likely be similar.

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« Reply #484 on: March 02, 2022, 07:51:21 PM »
yes and hes justified caused he warned us years ago he would do this
who said he was justified? man, reading comprehension.

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« Reply #485 on: March 02, 2022, 07:54:16 PM »
It was not just Putin that was bitching and warning about NATO expansion. His predecessor Yeltsin was too. Like Brzezinski said decades ago, Russia without Ukraine ceases to be a power. They were never going to let it out of their orbit. Take Putin out, put nearly any Russian leader in- result would likely be similar.
You don't know that Mdot and any percieved danger had long passed.At the most sabre rattling,they're not in NATO
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #486 on: March 02, 2022, 08:09:31 PM »
Indeed it's Russia's right to murder its neighbors.

I learned that right here on this thread from some really smart stable geniuses.
Who said that it was their right to murder it's neighbors? I haven't seen anyone say that once. And you're acting as if there was zero provocation by the US which lead to these course of events, that they just up and decided to invade for shits and gigs. Just because. That is not the case. To be clear- there is no justification for this or any other illegal invasion. And no country has a right to invade another. 

Any Russian leader would want/need Ukraine as a buffer zone- with Ukraine in NATO- they become literally indefensible from a NATO land invasion. They'd be beyond f**ked. They simply put would not be able to halt an invasion. US could've very easily cut a deal to revoke Ukraine's open-ended NATO membership offer- not like they were getting in anytime soon- you know- seeing as they are one of the 10 most corrupt countries in the entire world. US refused to even negotiate. This leads me to the logical conclusion that the US either wanted this outcome or simply just did not give a sh*t about Ukraine. The US has used Ukraine as a pawn like they do many other inferior states- and Ukraine was stupid enough to buy our bullshit- and despite Zelenskyys pleas the US is not establishing a no fly zone or sending boots on the ground. 

Had to show the Russians how big our d**ks are though, right? Just have to prove how tough we are, while Ukraine gets wrecked. How DARE anyone try to tell us where we should and shouldn't put our military alliance! How dare they!

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« Reply #487 on: March 02, 2022, 08:15:16 PM »
Why should a person who gets a name change be held responsible for the actions of or debts accrued by their former name?

What if they announce that they no longer identify as that former person?

What if they undergo a gender change and aren't even really the same person?
yeah, except a person does not = a nation. nations rise and fall, come and go. people are well, just people.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #488 on: March 02, 2022, 08:16:49 PM »
Who said that it was their right to murder it's neighbors? I haven't seen anyone say that once. And you're acting as if there was zero provocation by the US which lead to these course of events, that they just up and decided to invade for shits and gigs. Just because. That is not the case. To be clear- there is no justification for this or any other illegal invasion. And no country has a right to invade another.

Any Russian leader would want/need Ukraine as a buffer zone- with Ukraine in NATO- they become literally indefensible from a NATO land invasion. They'd be beyond f**ked. They simply put would not be able to halt an invasion. US could've very easily cut a deal to revoke Ukraine's open-ended NATO membership offer- not like they were getting in anytime soon- you know- seeing as they are one of the 10 most corrupt countries in the entire world. US refused to even negotiate. This leads me to the logical conclusion that the US either wanted this outcome or simply just did not give a sh*t about Ukraine. The US has used Ukraine as a pawn like they do many other inferior states- and Ukraine was stupid enough to buy our bullshit- and despite Zelenskyys pleas the US is not establishing a no fly zone or sending boots on the ground.

Had to show the Russians how big our d**ks are though, right? Just have to prove how tough we are, while Ukraine gets wrecked. How DARE anyone try to tell us where we should and shouldn't put our military alliance! How dare they!
We get it... It's the US's fault that Putin invaded. :34:

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #489 on: March 02, 2022, 08:20:03 PM »
We get it... It's the US's fault that Putin invaded. :34:
No, it's entirely Putin's fault. The US could've tried to prevent it through diplomacy. They didn't even attempt to. They refused to negotiate. What does that tell you? It should tell you that they really don't give a f**k if Ukraine gets wrecked.

 

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