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Topic: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 05:46:55 PM »
I think selections would be problematic. 
That's why I don't think you can have a hard rule to prohibit rematches in round 1--perhaps just a strong preference. And once you hit round 2, all bets are off.

I like what OAM mentioned of "if avoiding a rematch can be done with a 1 seed difference, you do it, but if it requires moving down two or more seed lines, then it's too much" is a good idea. 

You don't want to destroy the entire concept of seeding to avoid conference matchups or rematches. 

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2020, 10:25:05 PM »
medina, your post made me think of something else - the teams are seeded, but the seed means what choice they have of who they play.
#1 picks who they want to play at home in the 1st round, out of the other 7 teams.  Strategy would really be at play here.  Maybe an OSU wants the rematch with Cinci because it's the easiest opponent.  Maybe, since it's the only home game round of the playoff, they want to play a much tougher team.

It'd make it interesting, with perceived slights at being chosen before the chalk matchup suggests.

Cool idea, but coaches' do not like giving their opponents any incentive, so will never say who they want to play.  You pick a team and the opponents then say "see, they don't think we can beat them."

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2020, 05:14:51 PM »
That's why I don't think you can have a hard rule to prohibit rematches in round 1--perhaps just a strong preference. And once you hit round 2, all bets are off.

I like what OAM mentioned of "if avoiding a rematch can be done with a 1 seed difference, you do it, but if it requires moving down two or more seed lines, then it's too much" is a good idea.

You don't want to destroy the entire concept of seeding to avoid conference matchups or rematches.
I like what you and @OrangeAfroMan are trying to accomplish but I think it should be based on rankings rather than seeds.  Ie, we avoid rematches so long as it doesn't change any team's opponent by more than (for example) three spots in the rankings.  

My reason for this is that OAM's one seed difference could be a HUMONGOUS difference in quality of opponent.  Using last year's standings as an example:
  • #1 LSU (SEC Champ)
  • #2 tOSU (B1G Champ)
  • #3 Clemson (ACC Champ)
  • #4 Oklahoma (B12 Champ)
  • #5 UGA (at-large)
  • #6 Oregon (Pac Champ)
  • #7 Baylor (at-large)
  • #17 Memphis (AAC Champ)

So the first round match-ups should be:
  • #17 Memphis at #1 LSU
  • #5 UGA at #4 Oklahoma
  • #7 Baylor at #2 tOSU
  • #6 Oregon at #3 Clemson

If Ohio State had played Baylor earlier in the season it is no big deal.  #2 seed Ohio State and #3 seed Clemson could simply swap opponents and there isn't much impact:  
  • Ohio State gets a slightly tougher game against #6 Oregon instead of #7 Baylor
  • Clemson gets a slightly easier game against #7 Baylor instead of #6 Oregon
  • Oregon gets a slightly tougher game at #2 Ohio State instead of at #3 Clemson
  • Baylor gets a slightly easier game at #3 Clemson instead of at #2 Ohio State

Now suppose instead that LSU had already played Memphis.  If #1 seed LSU and #2 seed Ohio State swap opponents there is a HUMONGOUS difference:
  • LSU gets a vastly tougher game against #7 Baylor instead of #17 Memphis
  • Ohio State gets a vastly easier game against #17 Memphis instead of #7 Baylor
  • Baylor gets a slightly tougher game at #1 LSU instead of #2 tOSU
  • Memphis gets a slightly easier game at #2 tOSU instead of at #1 LSU


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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2020, 05:17:20 PM »
This is where I'd go with higher seed gets to choose to rematch or not.  For this scenario.
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2020, 05:32:09 PM »
I'm with you. I don't know that we put hard and fast rules on it, since we're leaving seeding to the committee anyway...

But have a stated guideline that rematches or conference matchups should be avoided unless it makes a meaningful difference in team quality giving one team or another an large unearned advantage by moving seeds. 

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2020, 09:49:19 PM »
that would make for interesting politics at the decision table

so many problems with an 8-team playoff, let's just leave it at 4
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2020, 05:02:20 AM »
I don't think going to 8 solves anything that needs solving personally.  The next step might well be 6.

In 50 years will it be 16 or 32?  Maybe, probably not.  Might not even play in 50 years.

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2020, 07:33:30 AM »
Come up with all the interesting theories/alignments possible but if the season is stretched, Sunday bound kids will sit.What will a 6 or 8 team tournament garner CFB then?Over exposure,apathy and dilution I'm guessing
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2020, 10:32:01 AM »
I don't think going to 8 solves anything that needs solving personally.  The next step might well be 6.

In 50 years will it be 16 or 32?  Maybe, probably not.  Might not even play in 50 years.
Just to clarify, I'm not really an advocate of going to eight.  I've said from the beginning that every time you increase the size of the Playoff (to two with the BCS, to four with the CFP, next to eight) you necessarily decrease the magnitude of each regular season game.  

My example is the Texas, Ohio State game in 2005.  I attended it in Columbus.  Texas was ranked #2 and Ohio State was ranked #4.  Additionally, #3 Michigan was obviously on Ohio State's schedule so both teams effectively controlled their own destiny to the BCSNCG.  

The game was HUGE.  Losing REALLY sucked in large part because it effectively ended Ohio State's NC hopes.   Also, it was a heartbreaking loss in which the Buckeyes led from mid-second-quarter until DEEP in the fourth quarter and had a chance with just about five minutes to go to take what would have been an insurmountable two-score lead.  

Regular season games just aren't that big anymore.  If that same situation had repeated itself early in 2019 Ohio State still would have been very much alive in the NC race because one close loss to a quality opponent probably wouldn't keep them out of the CFP.  

That said, I assume that we  ARE going to an 8-team playoff so my interest is in what it will be.  
Come up with all the interesting theories/alignments possible but if the season is stretched, Sunday bound kids will sit.What will a 6 or 8 team tournament garner CFB then?Over exposure,apathy and dilution I'm guessing
I don't know about this.  I can't recall a "Sunday bound" kid sitting out the BCSNCG or any CFP games.  We have seen LOTS of "Sunday bound" kids sitting out "other" bowls but I don't think we'll ever see a lot of them sit out games that could win them a NC ring.  

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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2020, 10:16:00 PM »
that would make for interesting politics at the decision table

so many problems with an 8-team playoff, let's just leave it at 4
Better still, let's go back to two.
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2020, 11:41:28 PM »
done
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2020, 08:26:08 AM »
Better still, let's go back to two.
that's 2 more games than will be played this season
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2020, 11:27:33 AM »
Yeah. Probably so.
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Re: When we go to an 8-team CFP would you prohibit rematches?
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2020, 12:01:18 PM »
I'm looking at the results.  There aren't that many voters (only 11) but I realized that I didn't leave a "don't prohibit any matches" option:

  • 9 of the 11 would prohibit rematches in the first round.  
  • 4 would prohibit games between teams from the same conference in the first round.  
  • 2 would prohibit games between teams from the same conference in the first two rounds.  
  • 1 would prohibit games between teams from the same conference in the first two rounds.  

Since only two of 11 voters (18%) would do anything about rematches/same conference in the second round we can eliminate that from the discussion.  

That just leaves the question of whether or not to prohibit rematches and/or games between teams from the same conference in the first round.  


I added the don't prohibit any matches option but voting closes tomorrow.  

 

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