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Topic: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?

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rook119

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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2021, 04:33:35 PM »
Even tho I still do fantasy things like play D&D, I have never watched any Harry Potter movie.  

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« Reply #141 on: February 21, 2021, 05:10:05 PM »
Those books were great in that they had kids reading for pleasure back around 15-20 years ago.  I'm not a fan of magic in movies, because anything can just happen, no matter how crazy, and it's just chalked up to magic.  
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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #142 on: February 24, 2021, 02:14:31 PM »
Those books were great in that they had kids reading for pleasure back around 15-20 years ago.  I'm not a fan of magic in movies, because anything can just happen, no matter how crazy, and it's just chalked up to magic. 
when you have set rules and laws for how things work within that world (and you explain it well and do so before it's a major plot point), it works fine. suspension of disbelief. harry potter does that pretty well, both in books and in films. matrix (original) is another good example.

for a bad example, the new star wars trilogy is an easy target. force users were established to be trained over long periods before mastering it. in the original trilogy, luke is seen training several times to learn how to control the force and use it to his advantage, and because it wasn't at a young age, he struggles with it throughout the films, losing battles vs those that are stronger and have trained longer than he has.
in the prequels, even if you don't like them, they establish that they should be in training at a very young age for best development.
in the new trilogy, rey just overpowers a strong, life-long trained force user in force mind reading at a whim. she also knows inherently how to use a lightsaber (established in originals and prequels as a weapon for force users only) without ever having held one before, much less learning how to fight with one. and once again, bests an opponent that is well training in the force. not only that, but fin uses the lightsaber, and he isn't even force sensitive. there are a myriad of reason those movies are bad (like bringing dead characters back, lol) but they broke their own rules right out of the gate.

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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #143 on: February 24, 2021, 02:48:05 PM »
when you have set rules and laws for how things work within that world (and you explain it well and do so before it's a major plot point), it works fine. suspension of disbelief. harry potter does that pretty well, both in books and in films. matrix (original) is another good example.

for a bad example, the new star wars trilogy is an easy target. force users were established to be trained over long periods before mastering it. in the original trilogy, luke is seen training several times to learn how to control the force and use it to his advantage, and because it wasn't at a young age, he struggles with it throughout the films, losing battles vs those that are stronger and have trained longer than he has.
in the prequels, even if you don't like them, they establish that they should be in training at a very young age for best development.
in the new trilogy, rey just overpowers a strong, life-long trained force user in force mind reading at a whim. she also knows inherently how to use a lightsaber (established in originals and prequels as a weapon for force users only) without ever having held one before, much less learning how to fight with one. and once again, bests an opponent that is well training in the force. not only that, but fin uses the lightsaber, and he isn't even force sensitive. there are a myriad of reason those movies are bad (like bringing dead characters back, lol) but they broke their own rules right out of the gate.
Agreed.

You see this in sci-fi a lot. When done well, the advanced technologies seem to be realistic and organically developed, and are part of the story.

A really good example is the "Red Mars" trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson, which is an excellent hard sci-fi series. There are certain advanced technologies that are enormous parts of the plot, but they seem both plausible and have well-supported back stories for how they were discovered and why, which integrates with major plot points. 

BTW I highly recommend that series if you're into sci-fi. 

I contrast that with a sci-fi fluff series that I got sick of after book three, where new technologies just somehow get invented right at the time their needed because some people are just super-smart and come up with it. It's the equivalent of OAM's description of "magic". 

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« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2021, 02:59:43 PM »
Sci-Fi is fine and when there's unexplained craziness, I'm okay with some of that.  But when it's just chalked up to "whatever the story needs" = magic, I'm out.  

Parameters are a great thing, for sure.
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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2021, 03:55:24 PM »
deus ex machina, wonderful (awful) things.

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« Reply #146 on: February 24, 2021, 05:22:23 PM »
for a bad example, the new star wars trilogy is an easy target. force users were established to be trained over long periods before mastering it. in the original trilogy, luke is seen training several times to learn how to control the force and use it to his advantage, and because it wasn't at a young age, he struggles with it throughout the films, losing battles vs those that are stronger and have trained longer than he has.
in the prequels, even if you don't like them, they establish that they should be in training at a very young age for best development.
in the new trilogy, rey just overpowers a strong, life-long trained force user in force mind reading at a whim. she also knows inherently how to use a lightsaber (established in originals and prequels as a weapon for force users only) without ever having held one before, much less learning how to fight with one. and once again, bests an opponent that is well training in the force. not only that, but fin uses the lightsaber, and he isn't even force sensitive. there are a myriad of reason those movies are bad (like bringing dead characters back, lol) but they broke their own rules right out of the gate.


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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #147 on: February 24, 2021, 07:01:13 PM »
deus ex machina, wonderful (awful) things.
Ex Machina. Super cool weird movie

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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #148 on: February 25, 2021, 01:57:29 AM »
The dance scene is the ultimate W-T-F moment.
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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #149 on: February 25, 2021, 11:29:42 AM »
Ya don't consider the Comic Book Super Heroes as "Classic".
Saw about 15 minutes of "Chariots of Fire" and turned off that snooze fest.Can't believe those nutthuggers at the Academy thought it was better than "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

Saw Chariots of Fire in the theatre.  It was really boring.  Nor is it a movie that people are clamoring to see now, so I think my initial impression stands up.

Raiders of the Lost Ark never had a chance for an Oscar.  People liked it too much.

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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #150 on: February 25, 2021, 11:31:23 AM »
Kelly's Heroes is my No1 all-time...prolly.Everyone in that seems to take off career wise later.Carrol O'Connor in All in the Family.Telly Savalas- Kojak.Don Rickles - Dean Martin Roasts.Sutherland in lots of stuff - M*A*S*H*.Gavin McCloud to a lesser extent

Gavin McCloud was a surprise because of his negative thinking.

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« Reply #151 on: February 25, 2021, 11:45:16 AM »
Howdy, FTB.
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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #152 on: February 25, 2021, 12:53:26 PM »
Gavin McCloud was a surprise because of his negative thinking.
"Always with the negative waves, Moriarty."

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Re: What Iconic Movie(s) Have You Never Seen?
« Reply #153 on: February 25, 2021, 01:00:30 PM »
Gavin McCloud was a surprise because of his negative thinking.
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