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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10906 on: September 28, 2024, 01:39:00 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10907 on: September 28, 2024, 01:43:27 PM »
Have at it. I'm all ears (screen).
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10908 on: September 28, 2024, 02:00:17 PM »
Maybe a tenth or two degrees Celsius.  Maybe. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10909 on: September 30, 2024, 07:09:17 AM »
I was curious about how much rain caused all the flooding around Western NC. It looks like about 14-20 inches in my places. I would have guessed a lot more. We probably got 10 or so inches immediately following Beryl, and then another dozen over the following week. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10910 on: September 30, 2024, 07:15:33 AM »
I think most of the damage is from rivers and creeks getting way out of their banks and eroding highways and causing mudslides.  And of course all the water that falls on nearby mountains is channeled down below through said creeks which couldn't hold it.  I'm guessing in spots the rainfall was much more than a foot.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10911 on: September 30, 2024, 07:23:04 AM »
I guess that makes sense. We’re almost completely flat here, so all the water spreads out, filling the low areas and rivers and creeks first. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10912 on: September 30, 2024, 07:33:37 AM »
The worst floods seem to be in mountainous areas, I think.  For one thing, you get unusual amounts of water cascading rapidly "downhill" with enhanced erosion.  Still(er) water is less of a problem in terms of washing out areas of concern.

And towns get built in valleys (usually) which means having a river nearby often as not, I can't think of a mountain town in the east in a valley without a river.  Highlands doesn't, but it's at elevation, not in a valley.  Franklin, NC has two rivers joining to make a third.

At least the two dams of concern have held, so far.  I know Badge doesn't like dams, but I THINK the destruction would have been much worse without TVA dams in that area.  That was a primary reason for the TVA.

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« Reply #10913 on: September 30, 2024, 07:37:28 AM »
At least the two dams of concern have held, so far.  I know Badge doesn't like dams, but I THINK the destruction would have been much worse without TVA dams in that area.  That was a primary reason for the TVA.
Navigation and power generation were the primary reasons. Flood control was secondary.

It was part of the "New Deal" plan.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10914 on: September 30, 2024, 08:01:37 AM »
The Unified Development of the Tennessee River plan stressed TVA was to provide flood control, navigation and electricity for the region. TVA's dams are tangible evidence of its primary mission: improving life in the Tennessee Valley.

A lot of TVA dams are on unnavigable rivers.  Electricity was a major goal, for sure, Fontana Dam was built to power aluminum production in Alcoa during the war as I understand it.  The floods preTVA were pretty bad.  Of course, that would encourage folks to build higher up instead of in a "flood plain".  

My cousin lives near Murphy, NC, she says they are undamaged but were without power for a while.  This is in far western NC, so likely avoided the worst of it.  I spent a lot of time in many of these towns over the years, the photos I see are incredible.  I'm looking for a real charity somewhere, not sure about some of these.  We have a brief trip sculeduled into the north GA mountains midOctober, word is where we're headed is fine.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10915 on: September 30, 2024, 08:04:53 AM »
My grandparents had a farm 3 miles outside Sevierville.  There was a creek running through it, easily wadeable normally.  But it was fed off Bluff Mountain and would completely swamp the bottomland.  My grandad told the DoT how high it could get when they built the four lane highway and they didn't believe him at first.  I've seen it within 30 feet of the house. 300 yards from the creek normally.  It would back up from the highway bridge when I saw it, almost a dam with a narrow cut for the water.

Small creek with a large feed area, headwaters maybe 15 miles distant.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10916 on: September 30, 2024, 09:24:38 PM »

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« Reply #10917 on: October 01, 2024, 01:26:55 PM »
That is unreal.
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« Reply #10918 on: October 01, 2024, 01:28:58 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10919 on: October 01, 2024, 01:32:29 PM »
My favorite place. I hope she can make it or move to higher ground.


Chef Jeanie Roland, who owns The Perfect Caper, was less fortunate. She posted on her Facebook page that the restaurant sustained substantial damage and will not be open until further notice, adding that a team of workers is performing the cleanup, and the building will be remediated. “We will be back in action before we know it,” Roland said.
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