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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10724 on: September 11, 2024, 08:19:23 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on September 10, 2024, 08:09:15 PM
So why does Phoenix exist?  What is it that draws people there?  Ok, I get that you’re there to teach. I’m asking, basically, what human need did phoenix at its core fulfill to justify its existence? 
Phoenix was built where 2 small rivers joined into one.  The rivers could support a small population and has, over many centuries or more.
But we dammed one river and the other is at 10% of its natural flow. 

There's now 5 million people in the Phoenix metro area and both rivers are dry inside the city. 
So that's fun.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10725 on: September 11, 2024, 10:04:05 PM »
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« Reply #10726 on: September 12, 2024, 10:59:58 AM »
Finally cool enough to open all the windows but now it smells smoky... And treated to a little light earthquake this morning too. 4.7 a little north of Malibu, so we barely felt it here. 

Just another day in paradise :57:
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« Reply #10727 on: September 12, 2024, 11:05:10 AM »
afternoon tee time???

I'm going to Sioux Falls Saturday to watch the old guys on the Champions Tour

John Daly doesn't seem to be in the field
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« Reply #10728 on: September 12, 2024, 11:14:55 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 11, 2024, 08:15:50 PM
Building in a flood plain is demonstrably going to result in major flooding where people live.  Let's build on ground 10 feet higher.

It doesn't have to be a good choice vs bad choice.  It can be incremental and logic-based (for many things).  I just don't see the harm.  Why does Cedar Rapids, Iowa have to stay in the same location it has in the past?  Being a slave to tradition or saying "it's hard" aren't reason enough to dissuade me. 
Moving a city is quite costly. 

It's one thing to take an area that isn't built and say "this area is in a flood plain, so we'll restrict any zoning that allows for new builds".

It's another to say "here's an existing city, we're going to force everyone who lives here to move from the place they know and love, all the history they've built over generations, and uproot everything they know. Oh, and it's going to cost many billions of dollars."

Politicians who try the latter have this nasty little habit of, I don't know, losing their next elections. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10729 on: September 12, 2024, 11:15:16 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 12, 2024, 11:05:10 AM
afternoon tee time???

I'm going to Sioux Falls Saturday to watch the old guys on the Champions Tour

John Daly doesn't seem to be in the field
Is there no Hooters in Sioux Falls? 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10730 on: September 12, 2024, 11:25:07 AM »
unfortunately, no

John does enjoy the casino across the river in Iowa
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10731 on: September 12, 2024, 12:13:18 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 11, 2024, 08:15:50 PM
Building in a flood plain is demonstrably going to result in major flooding where people live.  Let's build on ground 10 feet higher.

It doesn't have to be a good choice vs bad choice.  It can be incremental and logic-based (for many things).  I just don't see the harm.  Why does Cedar Rapids, Iowa have to stay in the same location it has in the past?  Being a slave to tradition or saying "it's hard" aren't reason enough to dissuade me. 
It is no longer permissible in almost every area of this country, and has not been since the late 1980's. There are major hurdles to overcome. Sometimes people choose to take those hurdles.

I've built a career on this very thing.

This is a development North of me called Punta Gorda Isles. This could never be built today. Not a snowball's chance in Hell.


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« Reply #10732 on: September 12, 2024, 12:23:26 PM »
@betarhoalphadelta seismic activity seems to be more active than normal lately out there in Cali. Do sense the same, or is it just being reported more?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10733 on: September 12, 2024, 12:38:36 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 12, 2024, 12:23:26 PM
@betarhoalphadelta seismic activity seems to be more active than normal lately out there in Cali. Do sense the same, or is it just being reported more?
Tough to tell. I can say that anecdotally I've personally felt more earthquakes in the last 6 months than I've felt in probably several years before that. I can count at least 4 that I've felt in that timeframe. The last one I remember before that was probably mid-2021 when I was at LAX waiting for a flight to Oregon. 

But I'd have to ask people who track this stuff statistically if there's actually a trend or not. Anecdote != data. 
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« Reply #10734 on: September 12, 2024, 12:41:20 PM »
Thanks.

What would happen in your area if the "big one" hit?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10735 on: September 12, 2024, 12:49:05 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 12, 2024, 12:41:20 PM
Thanks.

What would happen in your area if the "big one" hit?
We're a significant distance from the San Andreas or other REALLY major faults. So things like the Northridge quake wouldn't be nearly as significant to us. The San Andreas skirts the northeastern portion of LA county and then goes far inland of us.  

If I look at a map of fault lines, we're between the Newport fault and the Elsinore Fault, and historically both have produced quakes >6 on the scale a century or so ago. If another one of that magnitude hit those faults, it would shake the shit out of us here. But that wouldn't be "the big one" that people talk about. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10736 on: September 12, 2024, 09:35:14 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 12, 2024, 11:14:55 AM
Moving a city is quite costly.

It's one thing to take an area that isn't built and say "this area is in a flood plain, so we'll restrict any zoning that allows for new builds".

It's another to say "here's an existing city, we're going to force everyone who lives here to move from the place they know and love, all the history they've built over generations, and uproot everything they know. Oh, and it's going to cost many billions of dollars."

Politicians who try the latter have this nasty little habit of, I don't know, losing their next elections.
I haven't suggested a sudden move of a city.  You do it over time, obviously.  If that was simply 'the way' going back 50 years instead of 'do what we've always done, predictable natural tragedy, rebuild, repeat,' a lot of the work would already have been done.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10737 on: September 12, 2024, 11:06:12 PM »
it's easy, just quit funding the rebuilds

insurance companies won't offer insurance

folks will move out to ground 10 feet higher and not come back
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