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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10710 on: September 11, 2024, 08:20:59 AM »
Just so I’m clear, do you mean Harvey cost FEMA $125 billion?  Because I’d guess that Harvey was much more destructive than Ian simply because of the sheer size of destruction. Harvey basically flooded out large portions of area 200 miles wide by 200 miles deep. And that doesn’t even count what it did to Rockport.
No - that number is total cost to the US, state, insurance companies, homeowners, etc.

It is very difficult to find real numbers as to the actual expenditures by FEMA and the US. There is a reason for that.

Harvey and Ian were equally destructive.

Ian' path and its size (huge):





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« Reply #10711 on: September 11, 2024, 08:25:51 AM »
What's the longest that any of you have ever been outside in a hurricane?
I was outside for a bit during Ian. I forgot to lock the lid on the generator, and it opened up and failed due to rain. Had to fix it and get it closed. 30 minutes or so. Not fun.

The we went for a walk when we got into the eye. Calm, sunny, weird. About an hour. The eye was huge.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10712 on: September 11, 2024, 08:47:56 AM »
Can a hurricane catch fire? 


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10713 on: September 11, 2024, 08:58:28 AM »
Can a hurricane catch fire?


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10714 on: September 11, 2024, 09:01:02 AM »
must be California
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10715 on: September 11, 2024, 09:14:42 AM »
It's pretty easy to note a problem, and can be worth noting it.  It's much more difficult to contrive a practicable possible solution.  When asked if I have one, I'll just ssay "no" and move on instead of saying "Well, if people were smarter ...".


It's parallel to complaining about other drivers, a thing my wife does a fair bit.  She doesn't understand how I can be so blaise about it.  I guess it makes her feel better or something.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10716 on: September 11, 2024, 09:17:07 AM »
No - that number is total cost to the US, state, insurance companies, homeowners, etc.

It is very difficult to find real numbers as to the actual expenditures by FEMA and the US. There is a reason for that.

Harvey and Ian were equally destructive.

Ian' path and its size (huge):






No doubt that Ian was a big storm....it's just that Harvey decimated the 3rd or 4th largest population center in the country.  I had no idea Ian did that much damage.  

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« Reply #10717 on: September 11, 2024, 09:28:46 AM »
No doubt that Ian was a big storm....it's just that Harvey decimated the 3rd or 4th largest population center in the country.  I had no idea Ian did that much damage. 
It was a huge storm. It affected not only SW FL (1.5 Million), but Tampa (3.2), Orlando (2.7), etc. It was a very slow mover too, so the rain was biblical.

And then it made a second landfall in the Carolinas.

I'd rather not see another one like Ian, but I know I will.
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« Reply #10718 on: September 11, 2024, 12:04:55 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10719 on: September 11, 2024, 12:06:27 PM »
be Ice age warnings soon
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« Reply #10720 on: September 11, 2024, 12:08:00 PM »


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« Reply #10721 on: September 11, 2024, 03:40:32 PM »
I don't know that this can ever be explained.

Scientists Left Worried After Extensive Patch of the Atlantic Ocean Begins Cooling at a Record Rate (msn.com)
In September 2023, a massive tsunami in remote eastern Greenland triggered seismic waves that captured the attention of researchers worldwide.

The event created a week-long oscillating wave in Dickson Fjord, according to a new report in The Seismic Record.

Angela Carrillo-Ponce of GFZ German Research Centre for Geoscience and her colleagues identified two distinct signals in the seismic data from the event: one high-energy signal caused by the massive rockslide that generated the tsunami, and one very long-period (VLP) signal that lasted over a week.

Their analysis of the VLP signal—which was detected as far as 5000 kilometers (3100 miles) away—suggests that the landslide and resulting tsunami created a seiche, or a standing wave that oscillates in a body of water. In this case, the seiche was churning for days between the shores of Dickson Fjord.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10722 on: September 11, 2024, 07:02:03 PM »
Francine making landfall in Louisiana right now as a Cat2.  It's headed easterly enough that part of the eyewall could pass directly through New Orleans. 


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10723 on: September 11, 2024, 08:15:50 PM »
The hubris to think that we've got perfectly wise leaders who always are great at deciding what "good collective choices" are.


Building in a flood plain is demonstrably going to result in major flooding where people live.  Let's build on ground 10 feet higher.

It doesn't have to be a good choice vs bad choice.  It can be incremental and logic-based (for many things).  I just don't see the harm.  Why does Cedar Rapids, Iowa have to stay in the same location it has in the past?  Being a slave to tradition or saying "it's hard" aren't reason enough to dissuade me.  
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