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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10682 on: September 09, 2024, 08:14:49 PM »
not moving there

hopefully the golf course is safe
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10683 on: September 09, 2024, 09:10:55 PM »
It's interesting to me anyway how "Armchair Theorists" can devise situations they think would be better for "humanity" all day, and rarely is any of the ideas remotely practicable.  I suppose it's OK to sit and theorize, but strikes me ultimately as pretty useless, something folks did in college dorm rooms back in the day.  "What if ...".

It pretty much all requires "government" full of "smart people" telling the rest of us what we should buy, where we should live, what we can own, etc.  Put the "smart people" in charge and they'd do a lot better for us minions out there who buy guns and sodas and red meat and chips and don't exercise and have more than one child, etc.  A term for this is "central planning", versus a "free market".  And it obviously requires the heavy hand of government. 

It can sound a lot better, at first anyway.  We wouldn't have folks living in Miami and New Orleans, they'd all be moved, somehow, inland, to somewhere else. 
What a tired idea.

Open your eyes.

How about the masses smarten up themselves?!?  Just another wild pipe-dream, huh?  
I'll never understand how so many people like to turn "better yourself" into "you're not the boss of me."

Ugh.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10684 on: September 09, 2024, 09:26:14 PM »
More inane burfle.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10685 on: September 09, 2024, 10:41:50 PM »
Go to bed, old man.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10686 on: September 09, 2024, 11:34:53 PM »
Somewhere between Lake Charles and New Orleans, looks like.  Not the worst place to make landfall but if it's close enough to NOLA, that puts them on the dirty side.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10687 on: September 09, 2024, 11:52:16 PM »

What's the longest that any of you have ever been outside in a hurricane? 


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10688 on: September 10, 2024, 07:12:10 AM »
How about the masses smarten up themselves?!?  Just another wild pipe-dream, huh? 
I'll never understand how so many people like to turn "better yourself" into "you're not the boss of me."
Yes, it's a bizarre, wild, infantile pipe dream.  How about folks become better drivers?  Are drink less alcohol?  Or eat fewer empty Calories?  Or emit less CO2?  How about a lot of things?

A practicable solution to some problem has to be more than some wish list somehow hoping people will change.  It needs a grounding in reality, or it's just dorm room talk.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10689 on: September 10, 2024, 07:46:04 AM »
Humans chose where to set up camp.  And we choose to remain.  We rebuilt New Orleans below sea level on a major river and near the coast.
We stack ourselves along the coasts because it's pretty.  And bitch about the inevitable storms that happen.  Live along rivers' flood plains and call it tragedy when it floods there.

We build multi-million person cities in the middle of the desert, then bitch about water usage.  Chop down forests in order to plant a crop to feed an animal we deem tasty.  And we chop down another forest to give them space to frolick before we eat them.

But yeah.  Let's yell at the sky.
WTF are you talking about ?  Nobody is yelling at the sky. It’s a discussion, scattered with complaints and praise. 

People always have gravitated to places with resources because that’s what it takes to live. Fishermen need water, and a harbor. 

In my own area, my family moved here 100 years ago because there was Sulphur underground, they came first to mine the Sulphur, and then there happened to be salt domes here. The salt domes were useful for extracting magnesium, and then storing hydrocarbons and other chemicals in vast quantities underground in the resulting cavities. Then, we made a man made port by literally re-routing a river. 
Eventually a petrochemical complex arose here from the resources available and persists to this day. All because of sulfur, magnesium, salt, shipping, and oil. 

New Orleans has a reason to be there as well. It’s not just random. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10690 on: September 10, 2024, 10:54:00 AM »
What a tired idea.

Open your eyes.

How about the masses smarten up themselves?!?  Just another wild pipe-dream, huh? 
I'll never understand how so many people like to turn "better yourself" into "you're not the boss of me."

Ugh.
Wait, you're criticizing people who build cities in a desert while... Living--by choice--in a city in a desert?

The issue with all of what you're saying here is that you assume that "we" as a society should always make smart collective choices, while not realizing that "we" as individuals make our own choices according to our own needs, whims, and preferences. That's why you live in Phoenix. For whatever reason, it made sense for you individually to move there and work, despite the fact that building a dense population center in a place without enough water to support it is collectively dumb.

To a large extent, the "masses" can often be smart about the things that matter while being stupid about things that don't or only slightly affect them. That, by the way, is true whether they're dumb as a box of rocks, or smart as hell. Because even smart people, let's use doctors as an example, don't have to be smart about city planning to be successful in life. But that doctor may opine and vote based on uninformed and very wrong ideas about city planning--or even just selfish ideas like NIMBYism.

As it is, I think you're a pretty smart guy, OAM... With a lot of dumb, uninformed, opinions. Opinions that you have an outsized sense of confidence in, to boot.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10691 on: September 10, 2024, 11:04:24 AM »
My issue is not with where anyone lives, my issue is asking others to pay for their choices on where to live. 
I don't understand mostly.  How are we asking you to pay for our choices?  I can see what you mean with regards to New Orleans and some other oft-slammed places.  I have never received any government subsidy for storm damage, and I've been impacted plenty.  

And, just so we're clear, where do you live?  I believe I've made it clear I live in SE Texas along the coast, and I'm not complaining about it.  Storms here are just a fact of life.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10692 on: September 10, 2024, 11:09:49 AM »
Most insurance companies are national.  Enormous insurance claims in New Orleans or Florida or Houston, increase insurance premiums across the entire country.  In that sense, yes, people from elsewhere are subsidizing the choices of others.

That's not even to mention things like FEMA assistance to weather-ravaged areas, which is also paid for by the national collective via federal taxes.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10693 on: September 10, 2024, 11:19:04 AM »
I don't understand mostly.  How are we asking you to pay for our choices?  I can see what you mean with regards to New Orleans and some other oft-slammed places.  I have never received any government subsidy for storm damage, and I've been impacted plenty. 

And, just so we're clear, where do you live?  I believe I've made it clear I live in SE Texas along the coast, and I'm not complaining about it.  Storms here are just a fact of life. 
In a desert.

We made the same choice as you, living on the Gulf Coast, and have not taken a dime from anyone other than our private insurance company and our private money from our private bank.

Rebuilding New Orleans was dumb.

We had a $1 Mil contract to do construction layout and observation after Katrina with Home | Kiewit Corporation.

It was the West Closure project.

Gulf Intracoastal Waterway West Closure Complex - Wikipedia

I walked away from it as I did not believe in the project and my ethics wouldn't let me do the work. My partner was very pissed. We almost split.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10694 on: September 10, 2024, 11:21:32 AM »
Models look to be shifting a little more eastward.  At this rate NOLA is definitely in danger of getting the brunt of the dirty side.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10695 on: September 10, 2024, 11:24:36 AM »
Most insurance companies are national.  Enormous insurance claims in New Orleans or Florida or Houston, increase insurance premiums across the entire country.  In that sense, yes, people from elsewhere are subsidizing the choices of others.

That's not even to mention things like FEMA assistance to weather-ravaged areas, which is also paid for by the national collective via federal taxes.


We can't get Allstate, State Farm, Geico, etc. in Florida. They pulled out of the market, and several others.

So, no. No impact on you or anyone else like you.

Our insurance company is Frontline. You have never heard of them. Neither did I.

FEMA is more than just about tropical storms. Think fires, earthquakes, tornados, river flooding, etc. Those things can happen anywhere.

Why should "I" have to pay for a tornado in Tennessee? Simple. We are all US citizens.
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